Subject: Info-Mac Digest V19 #33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Info-Mac-Digest" --Info-Mac-Digest Info-Mac Digest Tue, 09 Apr 02 Volume 19 : Issue 33 Today's Topics: [*] TidBITS#625/08-Apr-02 [*] About This Particular Macintosh (ATPM) 8.04 [*] Cricket v7.0 [*] Edible Landscaping 4.7 [*] EnglishLeagueManager121 [*] EuroSoccerManager111 [*] FTP currency12.sit [*] Full Screen Player 1.1.1 - QuickTime Movie Player - FEELORIUM [*] Japanese V&N EDICT 1.2 - foreign language learning [*] Lexikon-Sonate 3.0 [*] Moon Menu 1.8.1J - Japanese Version [*] PresentMovie 1.2 [*] V&N Lookup 1.4.7 - dictionary, spellchecker, word-translator [*] Verbs & Nouns 2.5.6 - foreign language learning [*] Virtual Composer version 3.0.3 [*] WorldSoccerManager 1.1.1 encrypted passwords for mail server? initialization failed due to volume being locked Mike - help needed from a stranger Slow access to Internet Why switch from 9.1 to 9.2.2? 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America Online donated the main Info-Mac machine . ---------------------------------------------------------------------- --Info-Mac-Digest Content-Type: multipart/digest; boundary="----------------------------" Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="Info-Mac Digest V19 #33" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 21:00:00 -0700 From: TidBITS Editors To: digest@info-mac.org, mac-l@sparky.listmoms.net, Subject: [*] TidBITS#625/08-Apr-02 TidBITS#625/08-Apr-02 Adam has Mac OS X utilities on the brain, and this week's installment in his overview of utilities for Mac OS X lists out some of the most essential tools for serious Mac users. Matt Neuburg returns with the second part of his in-depth look at Unicode, focusing on how you can use it in Mac OS X. In the news, we cover the latest Mac OS X security update from Apple, the release of DVD Studio Pro 1.5, and how to get free exhibit passes to Macworld Expo NY. Topics: MailBITS/08-Apr-02 Top Mac OS X Utilities: Restoring Third Party Capabilities Two Bytes of the Cherry: Unicode and Mac OS X, Part 2 [Archived as /info-mac/per/tb/tidbits-625.etx; 29K] ------------------------------ Date: 5 Apr 2002 From: "A. Lee Bennett, Jr." To: Subject: [*] About This Particular Macintosh (ATPM) 8.04 This is the print-optimized PDF edition of the April 2002 issue of ATPM. About This Particular Macintosh (ATPM) is a free monthly e-zine about the *personal* computing experience. If you prefer a screen-optimized PDF or an offline Webzine format, visit to download current and past issues in your preferred format. The contents of ATPM 8.04 are as follows: Columns Beyond the Barline: Record Execs Ate My Hard Drive! The Candy Apple: A Down-Home Awards Show The Legacy Corner Segments: I Hate it When That Happens--Part II About This Particular Web Site Networking: iBook How To: Wireless Network Encryption With a Non-Apple Transmitter How To: The Mops Programming Language--Part II Reviews A Tale of Two Bags Click 'N Design 3D Illustrator 10 Mailsmith 1.5 PowerMate Extras Cartoon: Hambone Desktop Pictures: Travels [Archived as /info-mac/art/zine/atpm-804-print.hqx; 3641 K] ------------------------------ Date: 9 Apr 2002 From: Graham Randall To: Subject: [*] Cricket v7.0 The latest version 7 of Cricket lets you bat and bowl against top international teams. - A great new set of batting graphics has been added - You can now bowl against the Mac in a full 1-player mode - Decide how you want to bowl with controls for line, length, speed and turn - Auto Play mode. Sit back and watch as the Mac battles against your bowling attack - 2-player mode provides separate controls for the batsman and the bowler - All the teams data has been updated with the latest players and their averages This upgraded version of the cricket game remains exclusive to the Mac and has impressive bowling sequences (both fast and spin) derived from the real-life action of world famous test bowlers. You still need to have quick reactions to score runs against the bowling attack which ranges from fast to cunning spin but as your confidence grows, you will find that you can hit boundaries off the bad balls. In the full version of Cricket, each team can be selected from a squad of 15 players and you need to assess the bowling and batting performance of the players to improve your team's performance. G Randall grandall@ntlworld.com http://homepage.ntlworld.com/grandall [Archived as /info-mac/game/cricket-70.hqx; 1684 K] ------------------------------ Date: 9 Apr 2002 From: Ben Sharvy To: Subject: [*] Edible Landscaping 4.7 Version 4.7 adds some minor features and removes minor bugs. It now requires a screen resolution of 640x480 or better. Some plant info has been updated. April, 2002 Edible Landscaping is an encyclopedia of perennials that are worth growing primarily for produce. Every such plant that can be grown in at least three USDA hardiness zones (i.e., can withstand 15 F or below) is covered in the database. It includes fruits, nuts, herbs, and even a few perennial vegetables. Uncommon edibles such as the jujube and chayote are included, as well as popular favorites like strawberries and walnuts. The majority of plants have color photos attached, often illustrating different aspects (e.g., in a landscape, and a closeup). Edible Landscaping can be used in conjunction with a large archive of color pictures. It expects the photos to be in a folder named "EL Pictures"; it can also be mixed with the photos in one folder. If you have difficulties viewing the photos, try increasing the RAM (memory) available to the program. 2500K should be plenty and 2000K will probably work too. You allocate memory with the "Get Info..." command in the Finder. Edible Landscaping is as a standalone application made in Hypercard. It does not require Hypercard as a separate application. It will work on any Macintosh. It does require 2.5 MB of available RAM and 7 MB of diskspace. Displaying the pictures may require Quicktime 2.5--I'm not sure (Hypercard's built in commands take care of showing the pictures--it's not something I programmed). Edible Landscaping was tested under MacOS 7.6.1 with Quicktime 3.0, and 8.1 & 9.04 with Quicktime 4.1. Detailed instructions are available from within the Edible Landscaping software. Edible Landscaping costs $15. Bon Apetit. [Archived as /info-mac/sci/edible-landscaping-47.hqx; 6911 K] ------------------------------ Date: 7 Apr 2002 From: TigaByte Software To: Subject: [*] EnglishLeagueManager121 English League Managerv1.21 is a shareware soccer management game. ELM allows you to manage a team within the English league. The ultimate aim is to win the Premier Championship and both the FA and League Cups within the same season. FEATURES * Manage a team from one of the 4 main English Divisions using over 90 screens. * Play three types of game - Standard, Manager's, and Custom. * Over 4000 players in 124 clubs: - up to 25 players in squad & up to 25 in reserves. * Player roles - goalkeeper, defender, midfielder, forward. * Moving match play allowing substitutes,injuries, corners,free kicks, red cards. * Match animation is 2D but hidden simulation uses 3D space for ball. * The ability to change formation and general tactics during a match. * Training ground for practicing corner and free kick tactics. * Financial control of the club including loans, sponsorships and match advertising. * Buy and sell players on the transfer market, and browse any club. * Ground development for increasing crowd capacity. * On screen help system. * Editor for creating custom scenarios with registered version. REQUIREMENTS * 68030 or later, 68040 recommended, an FPU is NOT required. * 3.7MB free RAM - on older Macs with 8 bit colour. * 5.0MB free RAM - on newer Macs with 16 bit colour. ********** ABSTRACT CROPPED ********** [Archived as /info-mac/game/english-league-manager-121.hqx; 2298 K] ------------------------------ Date: 7 Apr 2002 From: TigaByte Software To: Subject: [*] EuroSoccerManager111 Euro Soccer Manager v1.11 is a shareware soccer management game. Euro Soccer Manager is a soccer management game where the aim is to guide your club to league and European cup success. FEATURES * Manage a team from one of the 16 European Premier/1st Divisions:- Belgium, Denmark, England, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Holland, Ireland, Italy, Norway, Portugal, Russia, Scotland, Spain, Sweden. * More than 10000 players in over 300 clubs: * UEFA and European Cup competitions. * Player roles - goalkeeper, defender, midfielder, forward. * Moving match play allowing substitutes and injuries. * Match animation is 2D but hidden simulation uses 3D space for ball. * Dead ball situations - corners, goal kicks, free kicks, and penalties. * The ability to change formation and general tactics during a match. * Yellow and Red cards with player suspensions. * Variable speed match play. * Training ground for practicing corner and free kick tactics. * Financial control of the club including loans, sponsorships and match advertising. * Buy and sell players on the transfer market, and browse any club. * Ground development for increasing crowd capacity. * On screen help system. * Editor for creating custom scenarios with registered version. ********** ABSTRACT CROPPED ********** [Archived as /info-mac/game/euro-soccer-manager-111.hqx; 2463 K] ------------------------------ Date: 9 Apr 2002 From: Info To: Subject: [*] FTP currency12.sit Archivist: may be distributed in CD-ROM collections. CurrencyConverter 1.2 http://www.rootsolutions.de/currency/index.htm info@rootsolutions.de Mac OS 8.1 or later, FileMaker Pro 5.0 or later. CurrencyConverter lets you convert any currency to and from any other currency plus any Euro country currency to and from its former currency. In addition, sales tax can be added to or subtracted from converted amounts. [Archived as /info-mac/app/bus/currency-converter-12.hqx; 19 K] ------------------------------ Date: 9 Apr 2002 From: FEELORIUM To: Subject: [*] Full Screen Player 1.1.1 - QuickTime Movie Player - FEELORIUM Full Screen Player 1.1.1 (c) Copyright 2002 Feelorium Limited, All Rights Reserved. info@feelorium.com http://www.feelorium.com Full Screen Player is a full screen QuickTime movie player. Full Screen Player is very easy to use. You can use Finder to organize your movie files, for example, make aliases of movies into a folder as a play-list. Then drag and drop movie files or folders onto the movie window of Full Screen Player. You can change various options when watching movies: - Movie size: Normal Size, Double Size or Fill Screen - Presentation mode: Window or Full Screen - Sound: Balance, Bass and Treble - Speed: Fast Forward/Rewind or Slow Motion - Playing mode: Shuffle, Repeat Off, Repeat All or Repeat One What's New - This version adds a new Open Recent submenu. System Requirements - Mac OS X 10.0 FEELORIUM info@feelorium.com http://www.feelorium.com [Archived as /info-mac/gst/full-screen-player-111.hqx; 188 K] ------------------------------ Date: 9 Apr 2002 From: Jacek Iwanski To: Subject: [*] Japanese V&N EDICT 1.2 - foreign language learning 'Japanese EDICT 1.2' is a dictionary module (simple-dictionary) for use with the 'Verbs & Nouns' and 'V&N Lookup' programs. You can download the latest versions of 'Verbs & Nouns' and 'V&N Lookup' from the Info-Mac mirror sites. They are stored in the directory: info-mac/edu/lang. The original source for this dictionary comes from the Jim Breen's Japanese EDICT project. Please see for further details about the Jim Breen's project. The first port of the Japanese EDICT to the format suitable for use with 'Verbs & Nouns' has been prepared by Michael Fahey in 1999. I've just converted the Michael Fahey's port to take the advantage of the recent improvements in 'Verbs & Nouns'. The dictionary module itself is free, to use it you need the shareware program 'Verbs & Nouns 2.5.6' or later (or 'V&N Lookup 1.4.7' or later) which you can download from the same places as this module - the unregistered versions of 'Verbs & Nouns' and 'V&N Lookup' have some limitations. Jacek Iwanski. [Archived as /info-mac/edu/lang/japanese-vn-edict-12.sit.hqx; 7445 K] ------------------------------ Date: 5 Apr 2002 From: "Dr. Karlheinz Essl" To: Subject: [*] Lexikon-Sonate 3.0 LEXIKON-SONATE ¨ 1992-2002 by Karlheinz Essl algorithmic music generator Lexikon-Sonate is a work-in-progress which was started in 1992. Instead of being a composition in which the structure is fixed by notation, it manifests itself as a computer program that composes musical structures in real time. 10 years after the Lexikon-Sonate project has started, the piece is now re-released as a software environment which - for the first time - offers the possibility to record the output to disk as a MIDI file. This allows registered user of the program to create customized musical structures which can be for compositional (or mere recreational) purposes. You can import those MIDI files into notation or sequencer programs and process them there as you like. New features: ============ * possibility to write the output into a MIDI file * outputs to Quicktime, MIDI or a new piano software synthesizer * completely re-written user interface * numerours improvements and bug fixes System requirements: =================== * Apple Macintosh PPC computer (when using the new PianoSynth, a G3 machine is recommended) * OS 8.6 or better (OS 9.1 preferred) * min. 16 MB of free RAM * min. screen resolution 800*600 pixels * Quicktime installed (version 5 preferred) More information at: http://www.essl.at/works/Lexikon-Sonate.html [Archived as /info-mac/gst/snd/lexikon-sonate-30.hqx; 1016 K] ------------------------------ Date: 5 Apr 2002 From: ChrisLi@Bridge1.com To: Subject: [*] Moon Menu 1.8.1J - Japanese Version This is the Japanese version of the Moon Menu package. A Mac OS X version is under development. MoonMenu (tm) Extension MoonMenu is a system extension that draws the current phase of the moon in the menubar. The menu, when selected, reveals a textual description of the moon phase, illumination percentage, the moon's age in days, current lunation number, and upcoming quarter predictions. MoonMenu also has automatic "blue moon" detection which actually colors the moon icon blue. MoonMenu (tm) Application MoonMenu is an application that allows users to analyze lunar data like lunation, lunar phase, illumination, moon age, and upcoming quarter predictions. Easy to use controls allow users to explore all of these lunar data through any day and time. MoonMenu also has automatic "blue moon" detection which actually colors the moon icon blue. Changes through 1.8.1 * Fixed problem with quarter predictions not leveraging GMT offset in the MoonMenu global system menu. * Added "Copy Information to Clipboard" menu item to the global system menu. [Archived as /info-mac/sci/moon-menu-181-jp.hqx; 893 K] ------------------------------ Date: 8 Apr 2002 From: Roland Gustafsson To: Subject: [*] PresentMovie 1.2 PresentMovie - a simple utility for playing QuickTime compatible movies, full screen (c) 2002 by Roland Gustafsson, All Rights Reserved What does PresentMovie do? PresentMovie does one thing, and one thing only, and that is play back QuickTime compatible movies (.mov, .mpg or VCDs) stretched to fit the full screen. The main reason I wrote PresentMovie was to allow my children to easily view QT movies without having to go through the multiple steps required in QuickTime Player Pro. (cmd-M, select Full Screen with mouse, click OK) How do I use it? PresentMovie is unusual in that it doesn't have a standard user interface. You can use it in one of two ways. The first is as a drag-and-drop app, simply drag one or more movies to PresentMovie and they are played one after the other. The second method is to place a copy of PresentMovie in a folder with one or more movies and then simply launch PresentMovie which scans the folder in which you launched it for movies which it then plays. Keyboard commands: Command-Q or ESC to quit Command-TAB - to task out and pause current movie (screen will restore) up arrow - turn up sound volume (hold down option for 100% volume) down arrow - turn down sound volume (hold down option for 10% volume) (The arrow keys adjust the movie's volume, not the system volume. The movie volume can go up to 200% which may cause distortion. To adjust the system volume, use the volume adjustment keys, if available on your keyboard, or task out and adjust the volume in the Sound control panel.) space bar - pause/unpause F - pause/step one frame forward B - pause/step one frame backward N - next movie, if more than one movie P - previous movie, if more than one movie [Archived as /info-mac/gst/present-movie-12.hqx; 17 K] ------------------------------ Date: 6 Apr 2002 From: Jacek Iwanski To: Subject: [*] V&N Lookup 1.4.7 - dictionary, spellchecker, word-translator 'V&N Lookup' is an easy-to-use program that puts dictionary-power at your fingertips. It makes use of the dictionaries for the application program 'Verbs&Nouns'. You can use 'V&N Lookup' while you are working with other text-based applications because it searches for any word that you copy to the clipboard. Depending on which modules you have, 'V&N Lookup' can locate similar words in several languages at the same time. It can check the spelling and translate passages of text word for word. The application 'V&N Lookup' is part of the 'Foreign Language Toolkit'. You can visit http://users.netmatters.co.uk/dandaforbes to find more information. Jacek Iwanski. [Archived as /info-mac/edu/lang/verbs-and-nouns-lookup-147.hqx; 3101 K] ------------------------------ Date: 6 Apr 2002 From: Jacek Iwanski To: Subject: [*] Verbs & Nouns 2.5.6 - foreign language learning 'Verbs & Nouns' is an application for practising inflection, translation and pronunciation at the level of single words. Features include the opportunity to do various inflection exercises, and translation exercises in both directions; to record and play sound for single words; to do exercises based on sound or pictures; and to play various word-games. The program keeps a record of exercises, and identifies the words that the student has difficulty with. Along with the program, you need a module for the target language concerned. The program can also be used as an authoring tool to write your own modules of inflected words for any language. A built-in 'inflection-generator' simplifies the addition of these words. A 'Find' feature allows the modules to be used as bilingual dictionaries. Ready-made modules are already available for certain languages. You can visit: to get more information. Jacek Iwanski. [Archived as /info-mac/edu/lang/verbs-and-nouns-256.hqx; 1923 K] ------------------------------ Date: 8 Apr 2002 From: Ioannis To: Subject: [*] Virtual Composer version 3.0.3 Virtual Composer is a graphical multichannel musical compiler, sequencer and analyzer, designed for perfect execution of complex polyphonic music using QuickTime's Musical Architecture. It is mainly intended for serious performers who want to simulate human-like performances or who wish to manipulate musical scores in ways similar to those when performing live. [Archived as /info-mac/gst/snd/virtual-composer-303.hqx; 2263 K] ------------------------------ Date: 9 Apr 2002 From: TigaByte Software To: Subject: [*] WorldSoccerManager 1.1.1 World Soccer Manager is a soccer management game where the aim is to win both the 2002 World Cup and a tough futuristic World League. FEATURES * Manage a team from one of the 32 2002 World Cup finalists. * Choose from 43 predefined teams in the World League. * About 1000 players in 43 major teams: and 23 players in each squad. * Player roles - goalkeeper, defender, midfielder, forward. * Moving match play allowing substitutes and injuries. * Match animation is 2D but hidden simulation uses 3D space for ball. * Dead ball situations - corners, goal kicks, free kicks, and penalties. * The ability to change players and tactics during a match. * Yellow and Red cards with player suspensions. * Training ground for practicing corner and free kick tactics. * Tactical screens for planning defensive and offensive formations. * Detailed statistics for both team and individual player performance. * Editor for creating custom scenarios with registered version. REQUIREMENTS * 68k version - 3.7MB free RAM with 8 bit colour. * PPC version - 5.5MB free RAM wih 16 bit colour. * Minimum of 640x480 at 256 colour screen. * OS7.1 to OS9.x. DISTRIBUTION This World Soccer Manager demo may be freely included on CDROMs. CONTACT Malcolm:- mrj.mcquoid@kagi.com http://www.kagi.com/mrj.mcquoid/default.html [Archived as /info-mac/game/world-soccer-manager-111.hqx; 1922 K] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 06 Apr 2002 02:54:53 From: "tony stanton" To: mmcneil@bbn.com Subject: encrypted passwords for mail server? Tried all this, no luck. POP and APOP, allow authorisation, etc. May possibly be related to Microsoft UAM as the Macs were once connected to the PC running Win2K Server and Services For Macintosh which gives an Appleshare tweak to connect. I have just upgraded OS to 9.1 from 8.6 on one but did not make any difference. Would rather not have to do a clean install and start from scratch but may have to if I can't find a solution. On 3/27/02 8:17 PM, "tony stanton" wrote: > Receiving mail is no problem but when I have to enter my logon and password > to autheticate sending mail, the server rejects it. This is interesting, very much the reverse of most problems. I assume the logon and password are the same...do you use the "Save Password" option? > > I have tested the accounts and passwords with a PC without problems. > > Is this a problem with the way ther Mac sends passwords? I remember in the > old days there was always a choice in Eudora for how to send passwords but I > cannot find anywhere to change this. I gather you are using Eudora - what are your settings? Checking Mail: Are you using POP, APOP, KERBEROS, etc. Sending Mail: Allow authorization One option might be to try creating a complete new set of settings. Keep a copy of your old ones, but start from scratch and create a new set. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ------------------------------ Date: 5 Apr 2002 16:56:46 -0800 From: nicomelon@aol.com (timmy) To: comp-sys-mac-digest@moderators.isc.org Subject: initialization failed due to volume being locked After finishing writing zeros to my HD, I tried to initialize my drive with one partition. Initialization failed due to a volume being locked. How do I unlock a volume so I can reinitialize my HD? I'm running OS 9.1 - G4, Dual 533 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Apr 2002 01:03:07 EST From: JessicaLandaw@aol.com To: doughm@primenet.com, digest@info-mac.org Subject: Mike - help needed from a stranger Hi Mike... Searching the web under "Norton Encrypt", I came upon this posting you put in a message board back in 1997 (wow) that you needed to recover some Norton Encrypted-files... I have the same problem, but no longer own the application, nor does Symantec support it anymore. Do you possibly have the program, or know where I could find it? Any help you could offer would be very apprectiated. Thank you, Jessica (your note, below) =========== Subject: Help with old Norton Encrypt files It has become *imperative* that I recover the data from approximately 100 old Norton Encrypt files, which were encrypted with the same password, using the FasCrypt [Norton proprietary] method. I have done some looking into the password scheme and am convinced that the keyspace I need to search is reasonably small - if I can find the details of the algorithm, I am secure about retrieving the data. So I think I have three alternatives: * Find someone who already knows the details of the algorithm [paradise]. * Find a scripting-type program which I can put onto the Mac and have it try passwords out of a list. [Something like, if this dialog box is up then enter the next line in this file; stop when this dialog box comes up. I'm not primarily a Mac user, so I'm not aware of how easy/difficult this would be.] * Learn Mac assembler and get a disassembler, and determine the details of the algorithm from the machine code. If anyone could help with any of these, including recommendations for programs to use for #2 and #3, or has an idea which I haven't thought of, I would be forever in your debt. Thank you for your time, Mike D. Reply to: doughm@primenet.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 07 Apr 2002 12:10:06 +0100 From: Derek Hayes To: "digest@info-mac.org" Subject: Slow access to Internet My daughter's iMac 400MHz has just had OS X installed. The old system 9 was backed up and the internal hard disk partioned into three parts: OS X 3GB OS 9 3GB Remainder 3GB In succession the following were installed onto the OS X partition: 10.1 Security Update Installer Update 10.1.3 all this as per Article: 106713 from the Apple Knowledge Base. The original OS 9 was installed into theOS 9 partition. Although the OS X responds quite quickly off the internet, the PROBLEM is that it is very very slow either on email duty or accessing web pages. I have checked all the settings I can think of but none seem to make any difference. The iMac has the usual internal modem. I have no suitable external modem that I can experiment with. The iMac is sat beside my beige PowerMac G3266MHz and shares the same dial up link to the same ISP. I have compared their performance using the PING utility supplied with OS X. It is interesting that my G3 sent 10 pings and 10 were returned (average return time .327 ms, but the iMac (at more or less the same time) sent 10 pings and only 4 were returned (average return time 369ms. This seems very significant to me, but I don't know what to tweak. The target was www.apple.com, I live in the East of the United Kingdom. I have not carried out the Ping analysis on the OS 9 but the performance is not much better than with OS X. There had been some problems with the internet access prior to the installation of OS X. Does all this point to a faulty internal modem? Any suggestions. Derek ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Apr 2002 07:34:31 -0500 From: Louis Bergeron To: Subject: Why switch from 9.1 to 9.2.2? I am using System 9.1 but not X for the moment. Is there an advantage to update from 9.1 to 9.2.2 if I do not use X? 9.1 is very stable and works fine. Will 9.2.2 have some features not present in 9.1? Since the two patches total 100 megs, I presume this is not a minor upgrade, going from 9.1 to 9.2.2. Mac OS 9.2.1 Update.smi is 82 MB Mac OS 9.2.2 Update.smi is 21.3 MB ------------------------------------------------------------------- Louis Bergeron tiwi@lino.com bergloui@sympatico.ca -------------------------------- --Info-Mac-Digest-- End of Info-Mac Digest ******************************