From news@columbia.edu Fri Feb 9 22:37:53 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA12939 for ; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 22:37:52 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id WAA10995 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 22:37:50 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!uwm.edu!alpha1.csd.uwm.edu!not-for-mail From: hseaver@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (Harmon F Seaver) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Key Scan won't stick in 3.11 Date: 9 Feb 1996 21:48:13 GMT Organization: University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee Lines: 19 Message-ID: <4fgfet$sh3@uwm.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.169.1 X-Newsreader: TIN [UNIX 1.3 950824BETA PL0] Is there something wrong with 3.11 or am I just missing something? I want to set the Grey Page Up key (\4425) to \Kkpenter so that it acts as a clear key for Notis. If I just do a set key for that, it works fine, but even tho I put it in the last line of the vt300.ini file (which gets called or taken in mskermit.ini), it doesn't work. Other stuff -- comport and parity -- that I've changed stick, this doesn't. Would an upgrade to 3.14 do it or is it something else. Thanx. -- Harmon Seaver hseaver@csd.uwm.edu hoka hey! ============================================================================== Copyright, Harmon F. Seaver, 1995. License to distribute this post is available to Microsoft for US$1,000 per instance, or local equivalent. ============================================================================== From news@columbia.edu Sat Feb 10 09:11:49 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA07584 for ; Sat, 10 Feb 1996 09:11:48 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id JAA12148 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 10 Feb 1996 09:11:47 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!xmission!news.cc.utah.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Key Scan won't stick in 3.11 Message-ID: <1996Feb9.190859.73725@cc.usu.edu> Date: 9 Feb 96 19:08:58 MDT References: <4fgfet$sh3@uwm.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 50 In article <4fgfet$sh3@uwm.edu>, hseaver@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (Harmon F Seaver) writes: > Is there something wrong with 3.11 or am I just missing something? I want > to set the Grey Page Up key (\4425) to \Kkpenter so that it acts as a clear > key for Notis. If I just do a set key for that, it works fine, but even tho > I put it in the last line of the vt300.ini file (which gets called or taken > in mskermit.ini), it doesn't work. Other stuff -- comport and parity -- that > I've changed stick, this doesn't. Would an upgrade to 3.14 do it or is it > something else. Thanx. ------------ The only things I can imagine are a) another set key for it appears in your setup material, somewhere, and/or b) your host app (Notis) wants one code and the host machine commands another. Here is part b) expanded, as a cutout from distribution file msvibm.vt: Codes sent by DEC Numeric Keypad Key Verb IBM ANSI VT320/VT102 mode VT52/H19 mode key Numeric Application Numeric Application PF1/HF7/Blue Gold,pf1 F1 SS3 P SS3 P ESC P ESC P PF2/HF8/Red pf2 F2 SS3 Q SS3 Q ESC Q ESC Q PF3/HF9/Grey pf3 F3 SS3 R SS3 R ESC R ESC R PF4/HF1 pf4 F4 SS3 S SS3 S ESC S ESC S 0 kp0 SF7 0 SS3 p 0 ESC ? p 1 kp1 SF3 1 SS3 q 1 ESC ? q 2 kp2 SF4 2 SS3 r 2 ESC ? r 3 kp3 SF5 3 SS3 s 3 ESC ? s 4 kp4 F9 4 SS3 t 4 ESC ? t 5 kp5 F10 5 SS3 u 5 ESC ? u 6 kp6 SF1 6 SS3 v 6 ESC ? v 7 kp7 F5 7 SS3 w 7 ESC ? w 8 kp8 F6 8 SS3 x 8 ESC ? x 9 kp9 F7 9 SS3 y 9 ESC ? y comma (,) kpcoma SF2 , SS3 l , ESC ? l minus (-) kpminus F8 - SS3 m - ESC ? m period (.) kpdot SF8 . SS3 n . ESC ? n Enter kpenter SF6 CR or SS3 M CR or ESC ? M CR LF (newline on) CR LF (SFn means hold down Shift key while pressing Function key n.) As we can see, \Kkpenter has triple meanings, depending on what the remote host has sent to the MSK terminal emulator for numeric versus application keypad mode, and whether or not newline mode is on. The same is true of real DEC terminals. MSK v3.14 has a user command, SET TERM KEYPAD {APPLICATION, NUMERIC} to set the initial state, and the remote host can (and must be able to) revise that by its own commands. If Notis insists upon one particular byte string, rather than a true DEC VTxx numeric keypad Enter key, then you can define Grey PageUp as that literal string. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sat Feb 10 12:49:16 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA23449 for ; Sat, 10 Feb 1996 12:49:14 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id MAA16263 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 10 Feb 1996 12:49:11 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.cloud9.net!news.sprintlink.net!malgudi.oar.net!news2.ee.net!news.ee.net!imci2!news.internetMCI.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!xmission!news.cc.utah.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Tandem emulation needed! Message-ID: <1996Feb9.224510.73731@cc.usu.edu> Date: 9 Feb 96 22:45:09 MDT References: <4f9292$c82@mercury.IntNet.net> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 8 In article <4f9292$c82@mercury.IntNet.net>, jtomich@IntNet.net (Jeff Tomich) writes: > Need to find emulation for connecting to a Tandem mainframe. I understand > its either 6523/6530 terminal emulation. We be running MSKERMIT. Any > place where I can obtain such emulation for MSkermit? ----------- Nope. MSK does not perform that emulation, and I have no information on that terminal kind. Would you like to tell us more about it? Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sun Feb 11 08:24:53 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA12699 for ; Sun, 11 Feb 1996 08:24:52 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id IAA00317 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 11 Feb 1996 08:24:48 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.mindlink.net!unixg.ubc.ca!freenet.vancouver.bc.ca!dastow From: dastow@opus.freenet.vancouver.bc.ca (David Stow) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MS Kermit terminal bell question Date: 11 Feb 1996 13:10:29 GMT Organization: Vancouver Regional FreeNet Lines: 5 Message-ID: <4fkps5$q07@milo.freenet.vancouver.bc.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: opus.freenet.vancouver.bc.ca X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] I would like to defeat the two bell sounds I get in MSKermit 3.14 when a file transfer is finished. I've already given the command "set terminal bell visual" but this doesn't seem to affect the end-of-transfer alert. Could anyone tell me the right command? From news@columbia.edu Sun Feb 11 08:49:05 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA16174 for ; Sun, 11 Feb 1996 08:49:04 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id IAA00813 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 11 Feb 1996 08:49:01 -0500 (EST) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!usenet.cis.ufl.edu!usenet.ufl.edu!draco.nova.edu!tsany From: tsany@ncs.nova.edu (Tsan Yu) Subject: Mac-Kermit trouble closing ram serial driver Message-ID: Keywords: Mac-Kermit Sender: news@draco.nova.edu (Usenet Administrator) Organization: Nova Southeastern University Date: Sat, 10 Feb 1996 23:09:37 GMT Lines: 12 Hi All, Some of my friends use Mac-Kermit with their Mac Power Book or any PowerPC series. When they exited Mac-Kermit (I think it's version 0.9(189) not sure about it), they got a message saying "trouble closing ram serial drivers". Does anyone see this problems before? And if so, what should I do? Appreciate any help you can offer. Thanks. TY From news@columbia.edu Sun Feb 11 11:11:47 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA25760 for ; Sun, 11 Feb 1996 11:11:46 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA03526 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 11 Feb 1996 11:11:43 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!umcc.umich.edu!news.eecs.umich.edu!flip.eecs.umich.edu!not-for-mail From: chrismc@flip.eecs.umich.edu (Chris McCormack) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MS Kermit under OS/2 IAK Date: 11 Feb 1996 14:01:02 GMT Organization: University of Michigan EECS Lines: 8 Message-ID: <4fksqu$rfk@news.eecs.umich.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: flip.eecs.umich.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [UNIX 1.3 950824BETA PL0] Normally I use ckermit 191 (native OS/2 program) as my terminal program, but sometimes I need the graphics capability of the DOS version. I have been able to do this running MSKERMIT in a DOS session under OS/2 when I dial directly from Kermit - Does anyone have some hints or pointers on getting MSKERMIT to work over an established SLIP connection? Chris McCormack / n0oqt chrismc@eecs.umich.edu From news@columbia.edu Sun Feb 11 14:08:58 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA08391 for ; Sun, 11 Feb 1996 14:08:57 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id OAA07313 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 11 Feb 1996 14:08:54 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!europa.chnt.gtegsc.com!news.kreonet.re.kr!usenet.kornet.nm.kr!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!col.hp.com!nntp.coast.net!news00.sunet.se!sunic!news99.sunet.se!news1.transpac.net!news2.transpac.net!oden.abc.se!kullmar!bk From: bk@abc.se (Bo Kullmar) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Tandem emulation needed! Date: 11 Feb 1996 12:29:00 +0100 Organization: ABC-Klubben Lines: 17 Distribution: swnet Message-ID: References: <4f9292$c82@mercury.IntNet.net> <1996Feb9.224510.73731@cc.usu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: kullmar.abc.se X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 #42 (NOV) In <1996Feb9.224510.73731@cc.usu.edu> jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: > Nope. MSK does not perform that emulation, and I have no information >on that terminal kind. Would you like to tell us more about it? The Tandem system use something that is called 6530 terminals. Tandem sells telenet clients for Unix (X6530) and PC (Winsock) that emulates a 6530 terminal. I don't have any specs for the 6530 terminal. We are running the x6530 sofware on Solaris (used to run it on Sun OS) and we are testing the Windows 3.1 software as well (we=Sveriges Riksbank, the same as Federal Reserve in the US). --Bo Kullmar From news@columbia.edu Sun Feb 11 14:18:42 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA09170 for ; Sun, 11 Feb 1996 14:18:42 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id OAA07481 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 11 Feb 1996 14:18:35 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Mac-Kermit trouble closing ram serial driver Date: 11 Feb 1996 19:18:28 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 28 Message-ID: <4flfe4$79l@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Keywords: Mac-Kermit In article , Tsan Yu wrote: >Some of my friends use Mac-Kermit with their Mac Power Book or any >PowerPC series. When they exited Mac-Kermit (I think it's version 0.9(189) >not sure about it), they got a message saying "trouble closing ram serial >drivers". Does anyone see this problems before? And if so, what should >I do? > Try a later version, such as 0.991(190), available via anonymous FTP from kermit.columbia.edu [128.59.39.2], directory kermit/f: ckm190.hqx -- current prerelease of Mac Kermit in BinHex 4.0 format ckmker.doc -- user documentation for 0.9(40), the previous release (1988) ckmker.ps -- PostScript version of user documentation for 0.9(40) ckmker.bwr -- Notes about the current prerelease, FAQ's, etc ckmker.fon -- Notes about the new Mac Kermit terminal emulation font and in the kermit/charsets directory: maclatin.* -- The new Mac Kermit font itself The June 3 Communications Toolbox Test version is in: kermit/mac/mackermit.hqx. UnBinHex it and then you have a self-unpacking archive (SEA), which you can click on to unpack into the Kermit app. Read the ckmker.bwr ("beware") file for further details. (End of ckmaaa.hlp) From news@columbia.edu Sun Feb 11 14:20:25 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA09398 for ; Sun, 11 Feb 1996 14:20:25 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id OAA07552 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 11 Feb 1996 14:20:22 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS Kermit terminal bell question Date: 11 Feb 1996 19:20:04 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 10 Message-ID: <4flfh4$7at@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4fkps5$q07@milo.freenet.vancouver.bc.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4fkps5$q07@milo.freenet.vancouver.bc.ca>, David Stow wrote: : I would like to defeat the two bell sounds I get in MSKermit 3.14 when a : file transfer is finished. I've already given the command "set terminal : bell visual" but this doesn't seem to affect the end-of-transfer alert. : Could anyone tell me the right command? : SET BELL OFF. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Feb 13 01:59:50 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA11460 for ; Tue, 13 Feb 1996 01:59:39 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id BAA16163 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 13 Feb 1996 01:59:36 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!news.sol.net!daily-planet.execpc.com!homer.alpha.net!news.ultranet.com!zombie.ncsc.mil!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!fox.almaden.ibm.com!garlic.com!news.scruz.net!usenet From: Nancy Lorenz Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit command script examples? Date: 12 Feb 1996 18:44:13 GMT Organization: Inns by the Sea Lines: 11 Message-ID: <4fo1pt$fo3@news.scruz.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 165.227.103.36 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.22 (Windows; I; 16bit) Are there any examples of kermit command scripts around here? I'm using kermit to run commands in the wee hours to send e-mail and it works great except when there's no dial tone or whatever else happens to a modem. I'd like to find a way in the script to detect unsuccessful dialing, like \v(dialstatus) I guess, so I can have it retry a couple of times but don't know the proper syntax. (Btw, this is on Unix 3.2v4.2) TIA! Nancy :-) From news@columbia.edu Tue Feb 13 05:38:23 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id FAA27183 for ; Tue, 13 Feb 1996 05:38:22 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id FAA19355 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 13 Feb 1996 05:38:19 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.eecs.umich.edu!caen!uwm.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!inet-nntp-gw-1.us.oracle.com!news.caldera.com!news.cc.utah.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.protocols.misc Subject: Re: LAT Message-ID: <1996Feb10.193434.73782@cc.usu.edu> Date: 10 Feb 96 19:34:34 MDT References: Organization: Utah State University Lines: 12 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:4687 comp.protocols.misc:5327 In article , Axel.Trocha@aachen.netsurf.de writes: > Hello, > > I a mdesperately looking for any information about Digitals > LAT (local area transport) - protocoll. I know that they > sold it to some other company. I would be happy about any > information you could give me about this subject. ----------- I'm afraid that you will need to talk with DIGITAL directly. LAT is proprietary, still owned by DIGITAL, and is licensed to third parties (for a fee). Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Tue Feb 13 08:13:14 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA07835 for ; Tue, 13 Feb 1996 08:13:13 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id IAA10767 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 13 Feb 1996 08:13:09 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.denver.eti.net!imci3!imci2!news.internetMCI.com!pull-feed.internetmci.com!imci5!imci4!newsfeed.internetmci.com!inet-nntp-gw-1.us.oracle.com!news.caldera.com!news.cc.utah.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS Kermit terminal bell question Message-ID: <1996Feb11.100409.73806@cc.usu.edu> Date: 11 Feb 96 10:04:09 MDT References: <4fkps5$q07@milo.freenet.vancouver.bc.ca> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 8 In article <4fkps5$q07@milo.freenet.vancouver.bc.ca>, dastow@opus.freenet.vancouver.bc.ca (David Stow) writes: > I would like to defeat the two bell sounds I get in MSKermit 3.14 when a > file transfer is finished. I've already given the command "set terminal > bell visual" but this doesn't seem to affect the end-of-transfer alert. > Could anyone tell me the right command? ---------- SET BELL {ON, OFF} Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Tue Feb 13 08:14:45 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA08904 for ; Tue, 13 Feb 1996 08:14:45 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id IAA10782 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 13 Feb 1996 08:14:43 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.denver.eti.net!imci3!imci2!news.internetMCI.com!pull-feed.internetmci.com!imci5!imci4!newsfeed.internetmci.com!inet-nntp-gw-1.us.oracle.com!news.caldera.com!news.cc.utah.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS Kermit under OS/2 IAK Message-ID: <1996Feb11.101002.73807@cc.usu.edu> Date: 11 Feb 96 10:10:02 MDT References: <4fksqu$rfk@news.eecs.umich.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 15 In article <4fksqu$rfk@news.eecs.umich.edu>, chrismc@flip.eecs.umich.edu (Chris McCormack) writes: > Normally I use ckermit 191 (native OS/2 program) as my terminal program, > but sometimes I need the graphics capability of the DOS version. I have > been able to do this running MSKERMIT in a DOS session under OS/2 when > I dial directly from Kermit - Does anyone have some hints or pointers on > getting MSKERMIT to work over an established SLIP connection? > > Chris McCormack / n0oqt > chrismc@eecs.umich.edu ------------ Established means there is already one TCP/IP stack active, and that means MSK itself can't run its stack over the same link. The active stack, in your case, is the OS/2 one we presume. If so you need to find the third party shim program COMTCP (Jeff: Help my poor memory here). Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Tue Feb 13 09:43:19 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA25611 for ; Tue, 13 Feb 1996 09:43:17 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id JAA12868 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 13 Feb 1996 09:43:13 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!EU.net!news.eunet.fi!news.spb.su!demos!dnews-server From: mar@chermk.vologda.su (Reznikov Michael) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Help!What is the last version of kermit for MS-DOS and SCO Unix.How can I get it from internet ? Date: 13 Feb 1996 10:21:07 +0300 Organization: Cherepovets Steel & Iron Plant Lines: 1 Sender: news-server@news.demos.su Distribution: o Message-ID: Reply-To: mar@chermk.vologda.su NNTP-Posting-Host: root@news.demos.su X-mailer: BML [MS/DOS Beauty Mail v.1.27] X-Return-Path: news.demos.su!kremvax.demos.su!chermk!chermk.vologda.su!mar From news@columbia.edu Tue Feb 13 11:18:17 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA07284 for ; Tue, 13 Feb 1996 11:18:15 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA15557 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 13 Feb 1996 11:18:10 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!news.u.washington.edu!news.alt.net!news1.alt.net!news.exodus.net!uunet!in1.uu.net!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!Germany.EU.net!ieunet!login.Ieunet.ie!ebairead From: ebairead@login.ieunet.ie (Eoin Bairead) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit icon Date: 13 Feb 1996 11:17:19 GMT Organization: Ieunet Limited Lines: 9 Message-ID: <4fprvv$lf3@news.Ieunet.ie> NNTP-Posting-Host: login.ieunet.ie I have a program which SHELLs a KERMIT .PIF file to do a file transfer. Everything works fine, except the SHELLed icon is the standard DOS one, and attching an icon to the .PIF file in a group doesn't make a difference. I know it's a WINDOWS problem, not a KERMIT one, but does anyone have any ideas ? Eoin Bairéad Dublin, Ireland From news@columbia.edu Tue Feb 13 13:03:18 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA19947 for ; Tue, 13 Feb 1996 13:03:17 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id NAA18460 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 13 Feb 1996 13:03:09 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.denver.eti.net!imci3!imci5!pull-feed.internetmci.com!news.internetMCI.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.reston.ans.net!usc!ccnet.com!usenet From: gbernard@dbc.com (Greg Bernard) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: modem pooling Date: Mon, 12 Feb 1996 14:46:58 GMT Organization: CCnet Communications (510-988-7140 guest) Lines: 39 Message-ID: <4fnkc2$b41@ccnet2.ccnet.com> References: <4f5t3g$jfk@ccnet2.ccnet.com> <4fdcc6$1ll@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: 199.217.9.49 fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) wrote: >In article <4f5t3g$jfk@ccnet2.ccnet.com>, >Greg Bernard wrote: >>I just have a quick question here. There was a post in one of the >>Linux USENET groups about modem pooling. Ie, can computer A start a >>TCP session to computer B, where the modem is physically connected to, >>and use the modem on computer B? If not, I thought it might be kind >>of interesting to hack around at it, but if it is already done... >> >It has. Computer B is generally a terminal server that is configured for >this purpose. Telnet (i.e. Kermit) from Computer A to a particular TCP >port (say 2000) on the terminal server, which has been configured to >dynamically assign the first free modem for an outbound call. C-Kermit >and Kermit 95 are already programmed to dial out in this way. See page 74 >of "Using C-Kermit". Hi Frank, Thanks for the tip, but I am either a little confused or didn't state the problem well enough (or both ;-)). I did read your excellent (as always) book, but I guess I see the problem a little differently. There is no terminal server in the picture at all, just two PCs running Linux, FreeBSD, etc. Under those conditions, can A use the modem on B via TCP/Kermit? Sorry, I do not have my book w/me, it's at home, but when I go home I will re-read that section more thoroughly. Thanks for the response and any help. gb Greg Bernard Data Broadcasting Corp. gbernard@dbc.com 1900 S. Norfolk St. All opionions, if I had any, are my own. San Mateo, CA 94404 From news@columbia.edu Tue Feb 13 13:47:43 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA25246 for ; Tue, 13 Feb 1996 13:47:42 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id NAA19498 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 13 Feb 1996 13:47:36 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: modem pooling Date: 13 Feb 1996 18:47:25 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 25 Message-ID: <4fqmbt$j15@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4f5t3g$jfk@ccnet2.ccnet.com> <4fdcc6$1ll@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <4fnkc2$b41@ccnet2.ccnet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4fnkc2$b41@ccnet2.ccnet.com>, Greg Bernard wrote: : Thanks for the tip, but I am either a little confused or didn't state : the problem well enough (or both ;-)). : : I did read your excellent (as always) book, but I guess I see the : problem a little differently. There is no terminal server in the : picture at all, just two PCs running Linux, FreeBSD, etc. Under those : conditions, can A use the modem on B via TCP/Kermit? : Sure. On computer A, at the C-Kermit prompt: telnet Then log in to computer B, start C-Kermit there, and tell it to: set modem set line /dev/ set speed set flow set term byte 8 ; These are to make sure the connection from A set command byte 8 ; to the most distant computer is 8-bit transparent dial - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Feb 13 13:52:27 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA25811 for ; Tue, 13 Feb 1996 13:52:25 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id NAA19618 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 13 Feb 1996 13:52:23 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit icon Date: 13 Feb 1996 18:52:10 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 21 Message-ID: <4fqmkq$j50@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4fprvv$lf3@news.Ieunet.ie> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4fprvv$lf3@news.Ieunet.ie>, Eoin Bairéad wrote: >I have a program which SHELLs a KERMIT .PIF file to do a file transfer. >Everything works fine, except the SHELLed icon is the standard DOS one, >and attching an icon to the .PIF file in a group doesn't make a difference. > >I know it's a WINDOWS problem, not a KERMIT one, but does anyone have any >ideas ? > >From the installation instructions in the READ.ME file on the MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 diskette: 7. If you want to assign a special icon to Kermit, click on the "generic MS-DOS" Kermit icon, then click on File, then Properties, then Change Icon, and then pick a new one (like the VT or satellite dish from MORICONS.DLL). Or make your own :-) MS-DOS Kermit presently does not come with a Windows icon. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Feb 13 21:49:55 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA17982 for ; Tue, 13 Feb 1996 21:49:54 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id VAA01409 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 13 Feb 1996 21:49:51 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!lerc.nasa.gov!purdue!mozo.cc.purdue.edu!branden From: branden@ecn.purdue.edu (Branden Robinson) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit drops core at SET LINE /dev/cua1 Date: 13 Feb 1996 22:18:20 GMT Organization: Purdue University Lines: 20 Message-ID: <4fr2nc$n0o@mozo.cc.purdue.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: cartoon.ecn.purdue.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] I'm trying to run C-Kermit under Linux, but as soon as I type "set line /dev/cua1", kermit gets a segmentation fault. This is the correct line, as evidenced by the fact that "echo ATDT" and a phone number redirected to /dev/cua1 makes the modem dial. I thought this might have something to do with the lock file put on /dev/cua1, but both the compliation with the -DLINUXFSSTND and without it yield the same result. What is going on here? Relevant hardware: Hayes Accura 14.4 + FAX internal on COM 2 Relevant software: Linux Debian 0.93R6, kernel 1.2.13, GCC 2.6.3, C-kermit 1.90 Can anyone help? -- "Why do we have to hide from the police, Daddy?" | G. Branden Robinson "Because we use vi, son. They use emacs." | branden@ecn.purdue.edu From news@columbia.edu Wed Feb 14 08:01:52 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA28839 for ; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 08:01:47 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id IAA06763 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 08:01:43 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!pipeline!psinntp!psinntp!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!newsserver.jvnc.net!news.cyanamid.com!news From: Bala Balakrishnan Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit - Escaping to local mode in batch mode. URGENT! Date: 13 Feb 1996 19:04:57 GMT Organization: American Cyanamid Lines: 27 Message-ID: <4fqncp$mkk@igate2.pt.cyanamid.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 141.173.27.28 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.2 (Windows; U; 16bit) I am trying to write a shell script which will use kermit for file transfer in non-interactive mode. Kermit will be used to connect from a unix machine to a OS/2 which will be placed in "Send" mode. At that point I have to "Escape" back to my local kermit and issue a "receive" command to get the file. When I automate this using the kermit "input" and "output" commands to connect and then get the files, it works fine until I reach a point where I have to "escape" back to the local kermit. I tried sending the following escape sequences output \28C OR output \28\28C OR \28C \28\28C but nothing seems to work. I have to terminate the script. Can anyone tell me what's the problem here. Yes! I did purchase the book "C-kermit" but I haven't been able to find the solution as yet. I need to get this resolved as quickly as possible. I would be immensely greatful if anyone can help me fast. Let me know if you need any additional information. NOTE: My shell script does the "set escape-character 28" in kermit. Thanks, Bala. From news@columbia.edu Wed Feb 14 10:26:06 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA27289 for ; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 10:26:04 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA19141 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 10:26:02 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit - Escaping to local mode in batch mode. URGENT! Date: 14 Feb 1996 15:25:42 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 36 Message-ID: <4fsutm$ilp@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4fqncp$mkk@igate2.pt.cyanamid.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4fqncp$mkk@igate2.pt.cyanamid.com>, Bala Balakrishnan wrote: : I am trying to write a shell script which will use kermit for file : transfer in non-interactive mode. Kermit will be used to connect from a : unix machine to a OS/2 which will be placed in "Send" mode. At that point : I have to "Escape" back to my local kermit and issue a "receive" command : to get the file. : : When I automate this using the kermit "input" and "output" commands to : connect and then get the files, it works fine until I reach a point where : I have to "escape" back to the local kermit. I tried sending the : following escape sequences : : output \28C OR : output \28\28C OR : \28C : \28\28C : but nothing seems to work. I have to terminate the script. Can anyone : tell me what's the problem here. Yes! I did purchase the book "C-kermit" : but I haven't been able to find the solution as yet. I need to get this : resolved as quickly as possible. I would be immensely greatful if anyone : can help me fast. : Please purchase the manual, "Using C-Kermit", and read the chapters about script programming. There you will learn that you should not put the CONNECT command in your script, but rather you should be using INPUT and OUTPUT throughout. This is probably the most fundamental principal of Kermit script programming. Incidentally, if you are connecting from Unix to OS/2, you probably won't be able to use OS/2 C-Kermit in "remote mode" (see manual) as you seem to expect. You would do better to initiate the process from the OS/2 end, if you have that choice, or else you'll need to leave OS/2 C-Kermit running in server mode and waiting for an incoming connection. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Feb 14 10:43:40 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA29304 for ; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 10:43:37 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA19555 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 10:43:33 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit drops core at SET LINE /dev/cua1 Date: 14 Feb 1996 15:43:07 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 42 Message-ID: <4fsvub$j2s@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4fr2nc$n0o@mozo.cc.purdue.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4fr2nc$n0o@mozo.cc.purdue.edu>, Branden Robinson wrote: : I'm trying to run C-Kermit under Linux, but as soon as I type "set line : /dev/cua1", kermit gets a segmentation fault. This is the correct line, as : evidenced by the fact that "echo ATDT" and a phone number redirected to : /dev/cua1 makes the modem dial. : : I thought this might have something to do with the lock file put on : /dev/cua1, but both the compliation with the -DLINUXFSSTND and without it : yield the same result. What is going on here? : : Relevant hardware: : Hayes Accura 14.4 + FAX internal on COM 2 : : Relevant software: : Linux Debian 0.93R6, kernel 1.2.13, GCC 2.6.3, C-kermit 1.90 : C-Kermit 5A(190) was tested successfully on every known Linux variation at the time it was released (October 1994), but since then what is collectively known as Linux has been changing rapidly out from underneath us, thanks in large part to its numerous repackagers. Most of the problems stem from the many and varied curses libraries; this is the first report I have heard of this nature. You might try: 1. The Debian C-Kermit distribution, put together and tested by the Debian Project. Maybe they linked it with different libraries than you did: ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/linux/ 2. The 5A(192) Alpha not-yet-a-release: ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/test/ 3. Taking a debug log of a core-dumping session and sending the last hundred lines or so to kermit@columbia.edu for analysis. Also see if you can get a backtrace from the core file to find out what routine it was in when it faulted. I don't know what the command for this is on Linux -- locally I use "adb kermit core" and then "$c", where "kermit" is Kermit's pathname and "core" is the core file's pathname. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Feb 14 23:07:15 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA22337 for ; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 23:07:15 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id XAA08579 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 23:07:11 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.cloud9.net!news.sprintlink.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news.cac.psu.edu!psuvm!hdk Organization: Penn State University Date: Wed, 14 Feb 1996 13:21:29 EST From: "H. D. Knoble" Message-ID: <96045.132129HDK@psuvm.psu.edu> Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS Kermit under OS/2 IAK References: <4fksqu$rfk@news.eecs.umich.edu> <1996Feb11.101002.73807@cc.usu.edu> Lines: 34 Using MS-Kermit in the following way enables tektronix graphics support where it may not be supported (as well) otherwise. COMTCP comes with OS/2 IBM TCPIP 2.0 and with Warp Connect. To run MS-Kermit telnet via COMTCP, get the latest MS-Kermit patch file, and see the following notes: COMTCP is a DOS box command and works as follows: COMTCP hostname kermit patch, set port bios1, stay (i.e., no MSKERMIT.INI used; also worked with MSKERMIT.INI issuing PATCH and SET PORT BIOS1). After the above command, at the MS-Kermit> prompt, to Telnet, simply issue MSK subcommand: Connect and login to the host telnetted to as usual. Notes: (1) A separate WIN-OS2 (DOS) session using TCP/IP 2.0 Winsock, and a separate OS/2 TCP/IP 2.0 Webexplorer session, was running simultaneous with the above COMTCP Kermit session. That is, COMTCP is correctly multi-threaded by OS/2 Warp and TCP/IP 2.0. (2) A DOS Windowed session can be used to conduct a Telnet session. However, if a Windowed DOS session was used to do Tek Plotting, when the (Gnuplot) plot subcommand is issued, OS/2 Warp opens an Information Window which reads: "The system does not support this session's video in a window" and the DOS Window title changes to: Suspended: Kermit.exe At this point the connection to the Vax remains intact; clicking on the DOS Window Control Menu box (upper left-hand corner) and choosing Full-Screen from that menu (or pressing Warp hot key Alt-Home which toggles between DOS Window and DOS Fullscreen for that virtual DOS session) resumes the Vax session dialog, and then the Tek Plot displays as though DOS Full-screen was chosen in the first place. From news@columbia.edu Thu Feb 15 01:45:33 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA06643 for ; Thu, 15 Feb 1996 01:45:33 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id BAA12895 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 15 Feb 1996 01:45:31 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!hpg30a.csc.cuhk.hk!news.cuhk.edu.hk!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!uwm.edu!alpha1.csd.uwm.edu!not-for-mail From: hseaver@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (Harmon F Seaver) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Key Scan won't stick in 3.11 Date: 15 Feb 1996 01:50:29 GMT Organization: University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee Lines: 38 Message-ID: <4fu3h5$lcp@uwm.edu> References: <4fgfet$sh3@uwm.edu> <1996Feb9.190859.73725@cc.usu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.169.1 X-Newsreader: TIN [UNIX 1.3 950824BETA PL0] Joe Doupnik (jrd@cc.usu.edu) wrote: : The only things I can imagine are a) another set key for it appears : in your setup material, somewhere, and/or b) your host app (Notis) wants I've looked and looked for that, and, since I put "set key \4425 \Kkpenter" as the last line in vt300.ini which is called in the last line of mskermit.ini, it should work, but doesn't. So I put it as the that set key line as the last line of mskermit.ini and then it works fine. I tried a "echo this is weird" as the last line of vt300.ini and that doesn't work either. Maybe something is bizarre with vt300.ini, but if I comment out the "take vt300.ini" line, other things don't work, so it is getting called. : one code and the host machine commands another. Here is part b) expanded, I don't think it's Notis, since if you enter the set key command at the Kermit prompt it works, and as I noted above, it also sticks and works when I put the line in mskermit.ini, but not in vt300.ini. I noticed that there is a ":FIN" at the end of one of those ini files, but not the other (and I'm not at work now, and can't remember which) and I was trying to look that up in the manual, but only found "fin" for finished, of course, but without the colon. Is that something that might have something to do with my problem? Why the colon (not a semicolon to comment it out) and what is the FIN for, colon or no? -- Harmon Seaver hseaver@csd.uwm.edu "Facts an' facts, an' t'ings an' t'ings: dem's all a lotta fockin' bullshit. Hear me! Dere is no truth but de one truth, an' that is de truth of Jah Rastafari." -- Bob Marley, 1978. ============================================================================== Copyright, Harmon F. Seaver, 1995. License to distribute this post is available to Microsoft for US$1,000 per instance, or local equivalent. ============================================================================== From news@columbia.edu Thu Feb 15 04:24:57 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id EAA18494 for ; Thu, 15 Feb 1996 04:24:53 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id EAA15700 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 15 Feb 1996 04:24:51 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!pipeline!newsjunkie.ans.net!newsfeeds.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.kei.com!nntp.coast.net!news00.sunet.se!sunic!news99.sunet.se!news.funet.fi!news.tele.fi!news.inet.fi!usenet From: synergy@center.inet.fi (Kari Seitsonen) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: kermit/symicron x25 Date: 15 Feb 1996 07:11:49 GMT Organization: Telecom Finland News Service Lines: 8 Message-ID: <4fumbl$t4h@kuikka.inet.fi> NNTP-Posting-Host: user-6-19.dial.inet.fi X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.92.6+ File Transferring (kermit) from PC to UNIX via x25 is very slow, about 5 kb/min. There is something wrong in x3 parameters, but nobody knows how we can chenge them on this card: symicron DTSX-8 ISS.E Another problem: Kermit (unix) gives a message: problem relinquishing exclusive access. After that PC brokes connection. synergy@center.inet.fi From news@columbia.edu Thu Feb 15 11:38:11 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA02846 for ; Thu, 15 Feb 1996 11:38:10 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA13115 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 15 Feb 1996 11:38:06 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: kermit/symicron x25 Date: 15 Feb 1996 16:37:29 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 22 Message-ID: <4fvng9$cpm@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4fumbl$t4h@kuikka.inet.fi> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4fumbl$t4h@kuikka.inet.fi>, Kari Seitsonen wrote: >File Transferring (kermit) from PC to UNIX via x25 is very slow, about 5 >kb/min. There is something wrong in x3 parameters, but nobody knows how we >can chenge them on this card: symicron DTSX-8 ISS.E > Then you'll have to find somebody who does know. Most likely your PAD is putting each character in its own separate X.25 packet. For fast file transfer over X.25, you'll need to configure it to use only carriage return as the packet forwarding character. "Using C-Kermit" has information about this as it applies to X.3 in general. >Another problem: Kermit (unix) gives a message: problem relinquishing >exclusive access. After that PC brokes connection. > That message would only appear if UNIX C-Kermit had made the call in the first place -- Did it? Anyway, it means it had trouble deleting the "UUCP lock file", which means, in turn, that your installation of C-Kermit was not correct. See the installation section of the UNIX appendix of "Using C-Kermit". - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Feb 15 12:38:04 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA09930 for ; Thu, 15 Feb 1996 12:38:02 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id MAA14662 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 15 Feb 1996 12:37:58 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!nwnews.wa.com!nwfocus.wa.com!krel.iea.com!comtch!andersr From: andersr@comtch.iea.com (Rod Anderson) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit - Escaping to local mode in batch mode. URGENT! Date: 15 Feb 1996 13:34:51 GMT Organization: CompuTech Lines: 25 Message-ID: <4fvcpr$2bh@krel.iea.com> References: <4fqncp$mkk@igate2.pt.cyanamid.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: comtch.iea.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Bala Balakrishnan (balakrishnanb@cyanamid.com) wrote: : I am trying to write a shell script which will use kermit for file : transfer in non-interactive mode. Kermit will be used to connect from a : unix machine to a OS/2 which will be placed in "Send" mode. At that point : I have to "Escape" back to my local kermit and issue a "receive" command : to get the file. You probably want to place the remote system in server mode and let the local system control it via Kermit's scripting language. This allows you to monitor the progress: logon, start-up of kermit, etc. and use appropriate actions for almost all situations. One of the systems I (my program) upload to has varying (really varying) times between prompts for logging on. Using loops, timed input, and success codes the program can get logged on almost regardless of the time between prompts. I'm at home right now so don't have access to a script but if you're interested in seeing one of these as an example mail me and I'll send it to you. Rod ----- Please don't tell my mother I work for the government. She thinks I play piano in a bordello. From news@columbia.edu Thu Feb 15 13:15:25 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA14490 for ; Thu, 15 Feb 1996 13:15:23 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id NAA15612 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 15 Feb 1996 13:15:13 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!news.dacom.co.kr!usenet.seri.re.kr!news.cais.net!primus.ac.net!news.serv.net!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!nntp.coast.net!bofh.mi.org!frankensun.altair.com!newsserver.pixel.kodak.com!newsserver.rdcs.Kodak.COM!usenet From: griffith@axopta.kodak.com (John D. Griffith) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit drops core at SET LINE /dev/cua1 Date: 15 Feb 1996 13:16:36 GMT Organization: Eastman Kodak - Optical Design Lines: 30 Message-ID: <4fvbnk$hcf@kodak.rdcs.Kodak.COM> References: <4fr2nc$n0o@mozo.cc.purdue.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.126.18.201 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.3 In article <4fr2nc$n0o@mozo.cc.purdue.edu>, branden@ecn.purdue.edu says... > >I'm trying to run C-Kermit under Linux, but as soon as I type "set line >/dev/cua1", kermit gets a segmentation fault. This is the correct line, >yield the same result. What is going on here? > >Relevant hardware: > Hayes Accura 14.4 + FAX internal on COM 2 > >Relevant software: > Linux Debian 0.93R6, kernel 1.2.13, GCC 2.6.3, C-kermit 1.90 > >Can anyone help? Well I am succesfully using C-kermit 1.90 with the same modem on /dev/cua2 (COM3). I am running linux 1.2.13 (a.out) and gcc 2.5.8. My distribution was originally Red Hat Release 1.0, but has been considerably customized since then. Feel free to send me mail at home, pp001896@interramp.com, if I can be of help. -- John D. Griffith griffith@axopta.kodak.com Optical Design - Eastman Kodak +1 (716) 726-3142 Rochester, New York 14653-5225 USA From news@columbia.edu Thu Feb 15 18:41:58 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA22612 for ; Thu, 15 Feb 1996 18:41:57 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id SAA24656 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 15 Feb 1996 18:41:55 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!inquo!vyzynz!news.dacom.co.kr!nntp.coast.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.ltec.net!news-admin From: Ameritas Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit and Win95 Remote Host commands Date: 15 Feb 1996 20:51:09 GMT Organization: Navix: Lincoln Telecom Internet Services Lines: 6 Message-ID: <4g06bt$kt4@iac2.ltec.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: xyp44p6.ltec.net Any solutions to doing a "remote host from a client to a server running Win95 and K95? When I try this nothing happens. It is echoed on the server but no results. Sounds like Bug #46 on the bugs readme file. Reply to this news group or to bhulse@unlinfo.unl.edu Thanks for any help that can be offered. From news@columbia.edu Fri Feb 16 00:08:15 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA21966 for ; Fri, 16 Feb 1996 00:08:13 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id AAA03350 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 16 Feb 1996 00:08:11 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!hamblin.math.byu.edu!park.uvsc.edu!news.cc.utah.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cs.utexas.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!newsserver.jvnc.net!news.cyanamid.com!news From: Bala Balakrishnan Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit - Escaping to local mode in batch mode. URGENT! Date: 15 Feb 1996 15:09:17 GMT Organization: American Cyanamid Lines: 8 Message-ID: <4fviat$467@igate2.pt.cyanamid.com> References: <4fqncp$mkk@igate2.pt.cyanamid.com> <4fsutm$ilp@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: 141.173.27.28 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.2 (Windows; U; 16bit) To: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Kermit on the OS/2 is running in server mode waiting for an incoming connection. All I need is a script which I can start from Cron on the unix side to be able to login to the OS/2 and get the files. Any help would be higly appreciated. Bala. From news@columbia.edu Fri Feb 16 01:06:37 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA27822 for ; Fri, 16 Feb 1996 01:06:37 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id BAA05113 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 16 Feb 1996 01:06:32 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit - Escaping to local mode in batch mode. URGENT! Date: 16 Feb 1996 06:06:14 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 25 Message-ID: <4g16sm$4vj@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4fqncp$mkk@igate2.pt.cyanamid.com> <4fsutm$ilp@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <4fviat$467@igate2.pt.cyanamid.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4fviat$467@igate2.pt.cyanamid.com>, Bala Balakrishnan wrote: >Kermit on the OS/2 is running in server mode waiting for an incoming >connection. All I need is a script which I can start from Cron on the >unix side to be able to login to the OS/2 and get the files. then all you should need to do is say kermit where does something like set network tcp/ip set host if failure end get send .... hangup exit Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 * 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 * (212) 854-1344 C-Kermit 5A(191) for OS/2: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cko191.html Kermit 95 for Windows 95 : http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html From news@columbia.edu Fri Feb 16 01:59:45 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA02230 for ; Fri, 16 Feb 1996 01:59:44 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id BAA06397 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 16 Feb 1996 01:59:41 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!hpg30a.csc.cuhk.hk!news.cuhk.edu.hk!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!inet-nntp-gw-1.us.oracle.com!news.caldera.com!news.cc.utah.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Key Scan won't stick in 3.11 Message-ID: <1996Feb15.113617.74158@cc.usu.edu> Date: 15 Feb 96 11:36:17 MDT References: <4fgfet$sh3@uwm.edu> <1996Feb9.190859.73725@cc.usu.edu> <4fu3h5$lcp@uwm.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 41 In article <4fu3h5$lcp@uwm.edu>, hseaver@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (Harmon F Seaver) writes: > Joe Doupnik (jrd@cc.usu.edu) wrote: > : The only things I can imagine are a) another set key for it appears > : in your setup material, somewhere, and/or b) your host app (Notis) wants > > I've looked and looked for that, and, since I put "set key \4425 > \Kkpenter" as the last line in vt300.ini which is called in the last line of > mskermit.ini, it should work, but doesn't. So I put it as the that set key > line as the last line of mskermit.ini and then it works fine. I tried a > "echo this is weird" as the last line of vt300.ini and that doesn't work > either. Maybe something is bizarre with vt300.ini, but if I comment out the > "take vt300.ini" line, other things don't work, so it is getting called. There usually isn't a need to use vt300.ini since the default keymappings are adequate. The same is true of embellished *.ini files: strip them down to what you need. The book "Using MS-DOS Kermit" is an excellent guide to understanding Kermit scripts and we recommend it as the first recourse when questions arise. The current release of MS-DOS Kermit is v3.14 and normally we recommend upgrading to it so we can be of better assistance. Standard industry-wide advice. > : one code and the host machine commands another. Here is part b) expanded, > > I don't think it's Notis, since if you enter the set key command at the > Kermit prompt it works, and as I noted above, it also sticks and works when > I put the line in mskermit.ini, but not in vt300.ini. > > I noticed that there is a ":FIN" at the end of one of those ini files, > but not the other (and I'm not at work now, and can't remember which) and I > was trying to look that up in the manual, but only found "fin" for finished, > of course, but without the colon. Is that something that might have > something to do with my problem? Why the colon (not a semicolon to comment > it out) and what is the FIN for, colon or no? :label is a script label, the target of a GOTO command. Joe D. > > -- > Harmon Seaver > hseaver@csd.uwm.edu From news@columbia.edu Fri Feb 16 09:25:51 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA13912 for ; Fri, 16 Feb 1996 09:25:51 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id JAA03543 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 16 Feb 1996 09:25:46 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit and Win95 Remote Host commands Date: 16 Feb 1996 14:25:21 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 27 Message-ID: <4g244h$3e9@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4g06bt$kt4@iac2.ltec.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4g06bt$kt4@iac2.ltec.net>, Ameritas wrote: > Any solutions to doing a "remote host etc.> from a client to a server running Win95 and K95? When I try this > nothing happens. It is echoed on the server but no results. Sounds like > Bug #46 on the bugs readme file. > Precisely. This is only one of many Microsoft bugs related to console mode -- in this case, not Kermit's use of console mode, but COMMAND.COM's. If a process, any process, starts COMMAND.COM and connects to its output via a pipe, the pipe never closes and never returns an end-of-file indication. Thus the parent process is stuck on a read that never returns. Plus the redirection didn't work in the first place. Pipes and redirection of standard input and output are pretty basic stuff, having been in UNIX since the late 1960s, and working just fine in Windows NT. Not only do these (and many other) simple operations not work in the first release of Windows 95, but the Service Pack that was just released by Microsoft contains no fixes for this or any of the many other console-related bugs. Kermit 95 Version 1.1.3, to be announced shortly, includes a workaround around this problem and you will be able to use REMOTE HOST, REMOTE DIRECTORY, and similar commands with a K95 server. Watch this space for announcements. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Feb 16 14:18:19 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA18849 for ; Fri, 16 Feb 1996 14:18:19 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id OAA10791 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 16 Feb 1996 14:18:15 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!news.dacom.co.kr!usenet.seri.re.kr!news.cais.net!primus.ac.net!imci4!newsfeed.internetmci.com!swrinde!cssun.mathcs.emory.edu!cs.utk.edu!not-for-mail From: shuford@cs.utk.edu (Richard Shuford) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.terminals Subject: Re: Tandem emulation needed! Followup-To: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Date: 16 Feb 1996 11:27:05 -0500 Organization: University of Tennessee, Knoxville--Dept. of Computer Science Lines: 87 Distribution: world Expires: 30 Mar 1996 22:11:33 GMT Message-ID: <4g2b8pINNdn2@duncan.cs.utk.edu> References: <4f9292$c82@mercury.IntNet.net> <1996Feb9.224510.73731@cc.usu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: duncan.cs.utk.edu Summary: Tandem emulation rare Keywords: Tandem emulation Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:4710 comp.terminals:8356 In article <4f9292$c82@mercury.IntNet.net>, jtomich@IntNet.net (Jeff Tomich) writes: > > Need to find emulation for connecting to a Tandem mainframe. I understand > it's either 6523/6530 terminal emulation. We be running MSKERMIT. Any > place where I can obtain such emulation for MSkermit? And Joe Doupnick replied: > > Nope. MSK does not perform that emulation, and I have no information > on that terminal kind. Would you like to tell us more about it? ... Oddly enough, I look back at messages from April 1995 and find another message, ID <3m60l8$er7@xcalibur.IntNet.net>, ALSO from Jeff Tomich in which he wrote: > > Need to find something on emulating a Tandem Terminal? Any Ideas where I > can go for such a beast? And back then he got a reply from (David M. Hart) who seems to work for TRW Credit Services (a big Tandem shop), message-ID: , saying: > > Internally, Tandem uses OutsideView (for Windows) to emulate Tandem > Terminals. I don't know if this is a proprietary implementation, or if it > is available from OutsideView. So apparently Jeff has been searching for almost a year for some Tandem emulation. - - - Later, over in another news group, we had this message: From: terrano@iadfw.net (Terrano) Newsgroups: alt.comp.tandem-users Subject: Re: Colour escape sequences for tandem terminals Date: Thu, 12 Oct 1995 18:17:52 GMT Message-ID: <45jevu$67l@news.iadfw.net> References: <451jrk$8va@news.voicenet.com> andy@pericom.co.uk wrote: > The colour escape sequences are only available on the terminal *emulators* > and our terminal manual doesn't have the colour sequences in it. You just use the 6530 sequences for Underlined, Dim, Bright, etc. and set the colors in your terminal emulator to be whichever colors you want to display (i.e. set Underlined Dim to RED and whenever Underlined Dim appears in your application--it will show up as 'Red' or whatever color the person has selected). The only Tandem emulator that I know of that ever did a full range of colors and graphics is the 'Interm' emulator (Originally by Transcommunication Corp--bought out by Tandem Computers). The Interm emulator is no longer (sigh) available--though it is used extensively by Mobil Oil specifically for the extended color set (to show different refined petroleum products in the pipeline). Mark Terrano # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # My advice: Jeff, hang it up! Scrap the Tandem and get a Stratus. You can use Televideo emulation with those. :-) - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - (To the perplexed reader: Tandem and Stratus are the two major vendors in the fault-tolerant computer market--where you demand that your computer not go down for hardware failures, because a minute of system downtime may cost you $1 million, or may cause an airplane to crash, or something else dire.) Persons perplexed with general questions about video terminals may find some help on the Web at http://www.cs.utk.edu/~shuford/terminal_index.html -- ...Richard S. Shuford |"Do not gaze at wine when it is red, when it goes down ...shuford@cs.utk.edu | down smoothly! Your eyes will see strange sights and ...Info-Stratus contact| your mind imagine confusing things." Proverbs 23:31 From news@columbia.edu Fri Feb 16 16:52:26 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA06179 for ; Fri, 16 Feb 1996 16:52:24 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id QAA14784 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 16 Feb 1996 16:52:20 -0500 (EST) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!gbutler From: gbutler@netcom.com (Gary T. Butler) Subject: Auto login and xfer of files using Kermit Message-ID: Keywords: Kermit LAN UB files Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) Distribution: usa Date: Fri, 16 Feb 1996 20:11:58 GMT Lines: 65 Sender: gbutler@netcom11.netcom.com I hope this is the correct place to post this problem. I am trying to use Kermit for transfering files from one machine to another and not having much success. The transfer has to be able to be started from cron. Is this possible, if so how? The particulars are: The originating machine is a 3B2700 running UNIX SVR3 with serial ports connected to an Ungerman-Bass NIU. I am trying to automatically log into a SUN Workstation on a TCP/IP network. The path is as follows: UNIX to UB to ROUTER to TCP/IP to SUN >From UNIX to UB I have to set flow none and binary on. Then connect to ROUTER. The ROUTER gives a prompt which I respond to with a destantion. Finally I get a login prompt and password prompts from the SUN. I have been able to write a shell program which starts kermit and calls a script. This works fine until the UB lan is connected then the script fails. When the kermit> prompt comes back I can enter take myscript and it will completly log into the SUN except I get the kermit> prompt and have to enter c to finish the connection and get the system prompt from the SUN. Another question I have is how do I disconnect gracefully. I ran into a problem when I was logged into the UNIX machine from my machine at home, which runs Linux, using Kermit and using Kermit to connect to the SUN. When I tried to disconnect it took me back to my home machine, which after I thought about it was normal. Is there a way to get around this problem. I have both the MSKERMIT and CKERMIT books and have tried to gleen this information from them to no avail. Any and all help will be greatly appreciated The following is the shell program and the kermit script with changes to protect the innocent. This is the shell to get things started. chmod 777 /dev/tty41 #This is required if the user is not root. kermit myscript.scr This is myscript.scr set line /dev/tty41 set speed 9600 set script echo on script ~0 ~r >> SET~sFLOW~sNONE >> SET~sBINARY~sON >> connect~s*NIU asm1> name in: user word: mypass -- Gary T. Butler Email network gbutler@netcom.com From news@columbia.edu Sat Feb 17 21:23:39 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA15026 for ; Sat, 17 Feb 1996 21:23:38 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id VAA09489 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 17 Feb 1996 21:23:36 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!news.dacom.co.kr!usenet.seri.re.kr!news.cais.net!news.jsums.edu!gatech!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!plug.news.pipex.net!pipex!tube.news.pipex.net!pipex!lade.news.pipex.net!pipex!news00.sunet.se!sunic!news99.sunet.se!news.funet.fi!news.helsinki.fi!kruuna!tlinden From: tlinden@cc.Helsinki.FI (Tomas Linden) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Status line disappears in MSKERMIT 3.14 Date: 17 Feb 1996 23:28:14 GMT Organization: University of Helsinki Lines: 15 Message-ID: <4g5oae$ag9@oravannahka.Helsinki.FI> NNTP-Posting-Host: kruuna.helsinki.fi Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL0] I'm using MSKERMIT 3.14 to connect to DEC Alphas which are running OSF/1 V3.2A (Revision 17). If Kermit is emulating a VT102 or VT320 and I run any command which calls the more pager the status line in Kermit is overwritten when the page is full and more writes its prompt at the bottom of the screen. The command stty reports correctly that I have a screen size of 24 * 80. After that the status line has been overwritten, the cursor usually goes back to line 24 as it should. I don't see this problem on any other machines that I also use. Is this a bug in Kermit or is it something wrong with OSF/1? Is there a fix for this problem? Tomas Linden ------------ Tomas.Linden@Helsinki.FI From news@columbia.edu Sun Feb 18 00:55:43 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA02250 for ; Sun, 18 Feb 1996 00:55:43 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id AAA14327 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 18 Feb 1996 00:55:41 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!news.dacom.co.kr!usenet.seri.re.kr!news.cais.net!news.jsums.edu!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!ftpbox!mothost!mdisea!not-for-mail From: mitchell@mdd.comm.mot.com (Bill Mitchell) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit drops core at SET LINE /dev/cua1 Date: 17 Feb 1996 15:52:15 -0800 Organization: Motorola - Wireless Data Group; Seattle, WA Lines: 31 Sender: mitchell@mdd.comm.mot.com (Bill Mitchell) Distribution: na Message-ID: <4g5pnf$3rp@bb29c.mdd.comm.mot.com> References: <4fr2nc$n0o@mozo.cc.purdue.edu> Reply-To: mitchell@mdd.comm.mot.com (Bill Mitchell) NNTP-Posting-Host: bb29c.mdd.comm.mot.com in comp.protocols.kermit.misc, branden@ecn.purdue.edu (Branden Robinson) said: +I'm trying to run C-Kermit under Linux, but as soon as I type "set line +/dev/cua1", kermit gets a segmentation fault. This is the correct line, as +evidenced by the fact that "echo ATDT" and a phone number redirected to +/dev/cua1 makes the modem dial. + +I thought this might have something to do with the lock file put on +/dev/cua1, but both the compliation with the -DLINUXFSSTND and without it +yield the same result. What is going on here? + +Relevant hardware: + Hayes Accura 14.4 + FAX internal on COM 2 + +Relevant software: + Linux Debian 0.93R6, kernel 1.2.13, GCC 2.6.3, C-kermit 1.90 + +Can anyone help? I'm the debian kermit maintainer, but I'm afraid I don't have much of a clue about this. The debian kermit sources are stock kermit sources except for the addition of some debian-specific files (debian.*) which don't impact non-debian compilation and the addition of a debian target in debian.makefile. I use kermit regularly on my debian linux system with the 1.2.13 kernel, and my modem is on /dev/cua1. -- mitchell@mdd.comm.mot.com (Bill Mitchell) From news@columbia.edu Sun Feb 18 06:45:58 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA11186 for ; Sun, 18 Feb 1996 06:45:57 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id GAA23705 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 18 Feb 1996 06:45:54 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!chi-news.cic.net!nntp.coast.net!howland.reston.ans.net!usc!sdd.hp.com!hamblin.math.byu.edu!park.uvsc.edu!news.cc.utah.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Status line disappears in MSKERMIT 3.14 Message-ID: <1996Feb17.193423.74385@cc.usu.edu> Date: 17 Feb 96 19:34:23 MDT References: <4g5oae$ag9@oravannahka.Helsinki.FI> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 23 In article <4g5oae$ag9@oravannahka.Helsinki.FI>, tlinden@cc.Helsinki.FI (Tomas Linden) writes: > I'm using MSKERMIT 3.14 to connect to DEC Alphas which are running OSF/1 > V3.2A (Revision 17). If Kermit is emulating a VT102 or VT320 and I run > any command which calls the more pager the status line in Kermit is > overwritten when the page is full and more writes its prompt at the > bottom of the screen. The command stty reports correctly that I have a > screen size of 24 * 80. After that the status line has been overwritten, > the cursor usually goes back to line 24 as it should. I don't see this > problem on any other machines that I also use. > > Is this a bug in Kermit or is it something wrong with OSF/1? Is there a > fix for this problem? > > Tomas Linden > ------------ > Tomas.Linden@Helsinki.FI ------------ Isn't this a repeat of exactly the same problem brought up on the list a couple of weeks ago? If so the answer is it is an OSF/1 problem, and you cure it be taming OSF/1's impression of proper terminal characteristics: terminfo/termcap contents. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sun Feb 18 06:45:59 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA11188 for ; Sun, 18 Feb 1996 06:45:58 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id GAA23703 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 18 Feb 1996 06:45:54 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!chi-news.cic.net!nntp.coast.net!howland.reston.ans.net!usc!sdd.hp.com!hamblin.math.byu.edu!park.uvsc.edu!news.cc.utah.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: DOS Kermit over Win 95 TCP/IP? Message-ID: <1996Feb17.193212.74384@cc.usu.edu> Date: 17 Feb 96 19:32:12 MDT References: <1996Feb17.173041@aik.tec.sc.us> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 23 In article <1996Feb17.173041@aik.tec.sc.us>, timmons@aik.tec.sc.us (Ray Timmons (803) 593-9954 ext. 1210) writes: > Our networked PC's on campus are using the dis_pkt9.dos packet driver > to run DOS kermit over the MS Windows for Workgroups TCP/IP stack. > > Is there a way to do the same thing in Win 95? I know that there is > a Win 95 Kermit, but we don't have the money to buy it, nor the time > to teach another kermit interface. > > Ray T. --------- Adding a little precision to your statement: you are running MS' older 16-bit TCP/IP stack over their NDIS v2 16-bit/real mode drivers. Win95 wants to use NDIS v3 protected mode (also 32-bit) material over another MS TCP/IP stack. Once going that TCP/IP stack stays there, and you can't run another TCP/IP stack at the same time. Two comments. You can run Win95 with Novell's ODI material, real mode, and use MS-DOS Kermit within Win95. Shims ODIPKT + WINPKT do the trick fine. If you use an NDIS v2 board handler and ignore MS' TCP/IP stack then you can use the same scheme as you do now. Secondly, "teach another Kermit interface" is putting matters in a rather extreme form, don't you think? I doubt there is much "teaching" needed, and the commands are very very similar to those in MSK. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sun Feb 18 10:52:49 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA22626 for ; Sun, 18 Feb 1996 10:52:48 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA14587 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 18 Feb 1996 10:52:44 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!pipeline!newsjunkie.ans.net!newsfeeds.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!news1.sunbelt.net!aik.tec.sc.us!timmons From: timmons@aik.tec.sc.us (Ray Timmons (803) 593-9954 ext. 1210) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: DOS Kermit over Win 95 TCP/IP? Date: 17 Feb 96 17:30:41 EST Organization: SunBelt.Net INTERNET Access Lines: 8 Message-ID: <1996Feb17.173041@aik.tec.sc.us> NNTP-Posting-Host: aiken.aik.tec.sc.us Our networked PC's on campus are using the dis_pkt9.dos packet driver to run DOS kermit over the MS Windows for Workgroups TCP/IP stack. Is there a way to do the same thing in Win 95? I know that there is a Win 95 Kermit, but we don't have the money to buy it, nor the time to teach another kermit interface. Ray T. From news@columbia.edu Sun Feb 18 12:36:33 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA02515 for ; Sun, 18 Feb 1996 12:36:32 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id MAA16918 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 18 Feb 1996 12:36:30 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Status line disappears in MSKERMIT 3.14 Date: 18 Feb 1996 17:36:22 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 22 Message-ID: <4g7o2m$ggk@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4g5oae$ag9@oravannahka.Helsinki.FI> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4g5oae$ag9@oravannahka.Helsinki.FI>, Tomas Linden wrote: : I'm using MSKERMIT 3.14 to connect to DEC Alphas which are running OSF/1 : V3.2A (Revision 17). If Kermit is emulating a VT102 or VT320 and I run : any command which calls the more pager the status line in Kermit is : overwritten when the page is full and more writes its prompt at the : bottom of the screen. The command stty reports correctly that I have a : screen size of 24 * 80. After that the status line has been overwritten, : the cursor usually goes back to line 24 as it should. I don't see this : problem on any other machines that I also use. : : Is this a bug in Kermit or is it something wrong with OSF/1? Is there a : fix for this problem? : It is a bug in OSF/1 (Digital UNIX) -- it thinks you have one more screen line than however many you tell it you have. So you have to tell it that you have one less screen line than you really have (for Kermit purposes, two less, counting the status line): stty rows 23 - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Feb 19 01:41:01 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA16640 for ; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 01:41:00 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id BAA05222 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 01:40:57 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!news.dacom.co.kr!usenet.seri.re.kr!news.cais.net!news.jsums.edu!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!satisfied.apocalypse.org!news2.near.net!news.ner.bbnplanet.net!news.ipswitch.com!ddl From: ddl@harvard.edu (Dan Lanciani) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: DOS Kermit over Win 95 TCP/IP? Message-ID: <3533@news.IPSWITCH.COM> Date: 19 Feb 96 01:31:37 GMT References: <1996Feb17.173041@aik.tec.sc.us> <1996Feb17.193212.74384@cc.usu.edu> Organization: Internet Lines: 27 In article <1996Feb17.173041@aik.tec.sc.us>, timmons@aik.tec.sc.us (Ray Timmons (803) 593-9954 ext. 1210) writes: | Our networked PC's on campus are using the dis_pkt9.dos packet driver | to run DOS kermit over the MS Windows for Workgroups TCP/IP stack. | | Is there a way to do the same thing in Win 95? I know that there is | a Win 95 Kermit, but we don't have the money to buy it, nor the time | to teach another kermit interface. It isn't absolutely clear what you want to do. The dis_pkt family of shims doesn't run kermit over a tcp/ip stack at all, but runs it over an NDIS2 driver. Generally, you would have a problem if you also had the MSWfWG tcp/ip stack loaded. (But you could have, e.g., the MSWfWG netbeui stack running just fine.) If in fact you are simply running kermit over NDIS2 drivers in WfWG and want to switch to Windows95 with NDIS3 drivers, you can use my ndis3pkt shim available from hsdndev.harvard.edu in pub/ndis3pkt. It will serve the same purpose as dis_pkt+winpkt but without taking up any low memory. It also incorporates a pktmux-like mechanism to allow multiple tcp/ip stacks to coexist (at least as well as such things ever coexist) provided the stacks are all packet driver clients. It will *not* allow you to run kermit and MSTCP on the same IP address on one machine. However, many users have had success using both packet driver tcp/ip stacks (e.g., kermit) and MSTCP as long as they allocated different IP address to each. Dan Lanciani ddl@harvard.* From news@columbia.edu Mon Feb 19 19:12:43 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA07954 for ; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 19:12:42 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id TAA17413 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 19:12:38 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!imci5!pull-feed.internetmci.com!news.internetMCI.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!csn!ub!newserve!usenet From: (Gerry Hecht) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Ckermit 191 as PPP Redialler Date: 19 Feb 1996 18:39:02 GMT Organization: Dept. of Psychology, Binghamton University Lines: 71 Message-ID: <4gag46$t6u@bingnet1.cc.binghamton.edu> Reply-To: bb05285@binghamton.edu (Gerry Hecht) NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.226.21.52 X-Newsreader: IBM NewsReader/2 v1.2 Hi all, A stubborn roadblock; I don't use the dial other provider object in OS/2 Warp; rather, I use a simple ppp.cmd file that looks like this: cut here ------------------------------------------- route -fh ppp com2 57600 mru 1498 rtscts modem defaultroute priority 1 notify exit user MYLOGID name MYLOGID secret MYPASSWD idle 15 connect "slattach ATH0 OK ATZ OK AT&FM0 OK ATDTxxx-xxxx NNECT" cut here ------------------------------------------------------- with the route -fh on the first line and EVERYTHING ELSE on the second line (i.e no word wrap) and this works fine to get me into my PPP connection. HOWEVER, it can't automatically redial... SO... I turned to my trusty Ckermit to handle the ppp connection. My ckppp.cmd file looks like this: cut here --------------------------------------------- /* */ 'route -fh' 'ppp com2 57600 mru 1498 rtscts modem defaultroute priority 1 connect ckermit "c:\ckermit\ckppp.ini " ' cut here---------------------------------------------- again with the route -fh on the second line after the comment and everything else on the second line. My ckppp.ini file looks like this: cut here ---------------------------------------------- set exit warning off set input case ignore access ckppp if failure exit 1 input 5 username if failure exit 1 output bb05285\13 input 5 secret if failure exit 1 output mypasswd\13 input 5 ppp if failure exit 1 output ppp\13 exit 0 cut here ---------------------------------------------- Finally I added the following line to my ckermit.ksd file: ckppp nologin xxxxx call hayes pppcom2 57600 xxx-xxxx Now the problem; upon using this it DOES redial after a busy signal (GREAT!!) but when it connects it fails to negotiate the logon sequence (PAP problem????) and I get disconnected. :( Is there anyone who can help me understand the differences between the way slattach handles the negotiation and the way ckermit's ppp handles it. Again my standard ppp.cmd file works perfectly but doesn't redial, my Ckermit redial configuration (replacing slattach with ckermit c:\ckermit\ckppp.ini) redials but doesn't connect. Any help would be greatly appreciated as the manuals as well as the online ckermit updates haven't been able to solve this. Thank you very much in advance, Gerry Hecht From news@columbia.edu Mon Feb 19 19:24:47 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA09247 for ; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 19:24:46 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id TAA17673 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 19:24:42 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Ckermit 191 as PPP Redialler Date: 20 Feb 1996 00:24:21 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 13 Message-ID: <4gb4bl$h82@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4gag46$t6u@bingnet1.cc.binghamton.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu A whole bunch of stuff about how when using C-kermit as the PPP redialer PAP errors are received. The reason this happens is that you have changed the port speed sometime during the connection process. Make sure that all of your connections occur at the exact same speeds. Especially confirm that you do not have a ppp.cfg file with speeds differing from your ppp command line or the ckermit access command. Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 * 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 * (212) 854-1344 C-Kermit 5A(191) for OS/2: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cko191.html Kermit 95 for Windows 95 : http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html From news@columbia.edu Tue Feb 20 08:16:17 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA22585 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 08:16:16 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id IAA20958 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 08:16:14 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!chi-news.cic.net!nntp.coast.net!news.dacom.co.kr!xpat.postech.ac.kr!xpat.com!cyberspam!not-for-mail From: ronald@trace.com.tw (Ronald Wiplinger) Message-ID: Control: cancel <728708Au4415to46116@news.trace.com.tw> Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc X-Cancelled-By: jem@xpat.com Subject: cmsg cancel <728708Au4415to46116@news.trace.com.tw> Date: 20 Feb 1996 10:40:41 GMT Approved: y Lines: 3 Cancelled by jem@xpat.com. 824812841 NEWYEAR Original Subject was: *+* Happy New Lunar Year *+* From news@columbia.edu Tue Feb 20 15:33:53 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA08601 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 15:33:51 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id PAA03390 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 15:33:48 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!uwm.edu!msunews!netnews.upenn.edu!blue.seas.upenn.edu!yulman From: yulman@blue.seas.upenn.edu (Alex Yulman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: WordPerfect in UNIX Date: 20 Feb 1996 15:33:50 GMT Organization: University of Pennsylvania Lines: 14 Message-ID: <4gcpku$vfn@netnews.upenn.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: blue.seas.upenn.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2-upenn1.3] I am moving up to Kermit 3.13 from a previous version. I used to access UNIX trough Kermit and run Word Perfect. Don't asc me why... All of my scripts ran well in 3.12. Now, in 3.13 when I start up WP the initial screen is displayed as a mirror image of itself. So instead of " Word Perfect" I see " tcefreP droW" What's the problem... please help. Thank you. -- Alex Yulman "Men will lie on their backs, talking about the (215)382-5140 fall of man, and never make an effort to get up" YULMAN@eniac.seas.upenn.edu - Henry David Thoreau From news@columbia.edu Tue Feb 20 20:12:37 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA11126 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 20:12:36 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id UAA10859 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 20:12:34 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!not-for-mail From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: WordPerfect in UNIX Date: 20 Feb 1996 20:12:19 -0500 Organization: Columbia University Lines: 30 Message-ID: <4gdrhj$aqa@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4gcpku$vfn@netnews.upenn.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4gcpku$vfn@netnews.upenn.edu>, Alex Yulman wrote: : I am moving up to Kermit 3.13 from a previous version. : Please upgrade to the current version of MS-DOS Kermit, which is 3.14. : I used : to access UNIX trough Kermit and run Word Perfect. Don't asc me why... : All of my scripts ran well in 3.12. Now, in 3.13 when I start up WP : the initial screen is displayed as a mirror image of itself. So : instead of " Word Perfect" : I see " tcefreP droW" : Cool, eh? It thinks you are speaking Hebrew. >From the KERMIT.BWR file that comes with MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 (which probably is not much different from the version that came with version 3.13): (2) INCOMPATIBILITIES BETWEEN MS-DOS KERMIT 3.14 AND EARLIER VERSIONS 1. In version 3.13, the escape sequence that invoked the TERMINALR/S macros was changed to control screen writing direction (details in KERMIT.UPD), for compatibility with newer VT terminals. Any host software that sent the TERMINALR/S sequences will need to be converted to send APC sequences. See KERMIT.UPD and the WordPerfect section of this file. The alluded-to texts explain exactly what to do. You'll also need new Kermit INI files for WordPerfect/UNIX -- these are available too. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Feb 20 20:36:26 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA13403 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 20:36:25 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id UAA11312 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 20:36:22 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!news.bc.net!news.sfu.ca!news From: binkley Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Keeping Kermit from returning to command mode Date: 20 Feb 1996 19:56:29 GMT Organization: Simon Fraser University Lines: 16 Message-ID: <4gd91d$257@morgoth.sfu.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: binkley.lib.sfu.ca Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (Windows; I; 16bit) Forgive me if this question has been dealt with here, I couldn't find it in the manual or the FAQ. We run Kermit 3.14 as a terminal emulator on our library public workstations to connect to a VAX running VMS and an Alpha running OSF-1. Occasionally in disconnecting from one of these machines--usually when the network is very busy--Kermit breaks out of its script and returns to the MS-Kermit> command prompt, which confuses our users no end. Is there any way to have Kermit quit to DOS rather than command mode? Many thanks, Dave Binkley Simon Fraser University Libraries Burnaby, British Columbia From news@columbia.edu Tue Feb 20 20:36:30 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA13406 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 20:36:25 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id UAA11314 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 20:36:23 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!chi-news.cic.net!uwm.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!newsserver.jvnc.net!news.cyanamid.com!news From: Bala Balakrishnan Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit problem - URGENT. Still unsolved. Date: 20 Feb 1996 20:59:09 GMT Organization: American Cyanamid Lines: 38 Message-ID: <4gdcmt$709@igate2.pt.cyanamid.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 141.173.27.28 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.2 (Windows; U; 16bit) To: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu, JRD@cc.usu.edu, andersn@comtch.iea.com, jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu, reserve@lnnsbytheSea.com I sincerely appreciate the efforts of the following people who have tried their best to help me... Frank D Cruz ( fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu ) Joe D ( JRD@cc.usu.edu ) Rod Anderson ( andersn@comtch.iea.com ) J Altman ( jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu ) Nancy ( reserve@lnnsbytheSea.com ). My problem still remains unsolved partly because of my own lack of understanding about the remote OS/2 PC. I was told that the remote OS/2 PC runs kermit in "server" mode, but I am not sure about it. Now, I am told that when I "dial" in to the OS/2 and execute the command "$$REQ ID=AMERCYAN BID='LOCKBOX AMERCYAN' ONEBATCH=YES" it actually runs a 3rd party software from "Sterling Software" which puts kermit in a mode where it is ready to "send" files. The only way it sends the file is if I escape back to my local C-Kermit interactively. I tried all the combinations suggested by you all but everytime it would just hang. I suspect, that I need to understand more about what this "Sterling software" does and how it works before trying to solve this problem. Anyone heard about this software? Apparently it is used by a lot of big banks. This one is currently being used by Wachovia and that is where I am having all these problems. I am trying to get in touch with the Sterling Software people and see if they can help me. I could not try the "set host etc as the OS/2 machine belongs to a different company and all the regular router/firewall security will apply. I can just dial their machine which will put me in to a prompt where I execute the $$REQ...command. If you can make any sense about this whole thing and have any input or suggestions, I would appreciate it. Thanks a million, Bala. From news@columbia.edu Tue Feb 20 23:08:30 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA25466 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 23:08:29 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id XAA14915 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 23:08:28 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!news.nd.edu!chi-news.cic.net!nntp.coast.net!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!airgun.wg.waii.com!news From: zepeda@am51.wg.waii.com (Daniel Zepeda) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Optimum settings for TCP/IP transfers Date: 20 Feb 1996 17:46:21 GMT Organization: Western Geophysical, Div. of Western Atlas Int'l, Houston, TX Lines: 23 Distribution: world Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: am51.wg.waii.com I know this is in the manual, but I'm in a catch-22 situation. I have to prove that transferring with kermit will be faster than our present method, before I get the manual purchase authorized, but I need to look at the manual to get the best performance to outstrip our present method. So, hopefully some kind soul will get me out of this. What I am doing is transferring binary files over an ethernet LAN, from an IBM AIX box to an Compaq pentium PC. I would like to know the optimum settings for both sides to get the best performance. Any other tips to help out in this situation would also be appreciated. Thanks, Dan. -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "ASCII art looks stupid with proportionally spaced fonts." Daniel Paul Zepeda Western Geophysical Applied Technology Software - Testing e-mail: From news@columbia.edu Wed Feb 21 00:47:32 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA04264 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 00:47:31 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id AAA17574 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 00:47:29 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!news.dacom.co.kr!usenet.seri.re.kr!news.cais.net!primus.ac.net!imci4!newsfeed.internetmci.com!xmission!news.cc.utah.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: WordPerfect in UNIX Message-ID: <1996Feb20.124429.74596@cc.usu.edu> Date: 20 Feb 96 12:44:29 MDT References: <4gcpku$vfn@netnews.upenn.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 18 In article <4gcpku$vfn@netnews.upenn.edu>, yulman@blue.seas.upenn.edu (Alex Yulman) writes: > I am moving up to Kermit 3.13 from a previous version. I used > to access UNIX trough Kermit and run Word Perfect. Don't asc me why... > All of my scripts ran well in 3.12. Now, in 3.13 when I start up WP > the initial screen is displayed as a mirror image of itself. So > instead of " Word Perfect" > I see " tcefreP droW" > > What's the problem... please help. > Thank you. > -- -------- MSK v3.14 is the current release. Please do look at the release notes on TERMINALR/S because there had to be a change to Kermit to accomodate changes by DIGITAL. TERMINALR/S are gone, replaced by APC, and thus you need to modify WP/Unix accordingly. TERMINALR/S codes are used by DIGITAL to support Hebrew features, including right to left writing. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Wed Feb 21 01:51:53 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA10329 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 01:51:53 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id BAA18697 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 01:51:48 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!swrinde!cssun.mathcs.emory.edu!hobbes.cc.uga.edu!UGA.CC.UGA.EDU!CMSFJK From: CMSFJK@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU (F.J.Kelley) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: The C-Kermit book Date: Tue, 20 Feb 96 15:23:47 EST Organization: University of Georgia Lines: 5 Message-ID: <17733D8A7S86.CMSFJK@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU> References: <1996Feb17.173041@aik.tec.sc.us> <1996Feb17.193212.74384@cc.usu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: uga.cc.uga.edu What is the latest edition of the C-Kermit book? I seem to recall that it is 2-3 years old now, and was wondering whether another was in the works???? Thanks for any help. -- Joe cmsfjk@uga.cc.uga.edu From news@columbia.edu Wed Feb 21 07:03:27 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA03101 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 07:03:26 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id HAA01060 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 07:03:22 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!news.dacom.co.kr!usenet.seri.re.kr!news.cais.net!news.jsums.edu!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!inet-nntp-gw-1.us.oracle.com!news.caldera.com!news.cc.utah.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Optimum settings for TCP/IP transfers Message-ID: <1996Feb20.194856.74632@cc.usu.edu> Date: 20 Feb 96 19:48:56 MDT References: Distribution: world Organization: Utah State University Lines: 22 In article , zepeda@am51.wg.waii.com (Daniel Zepeda) writes: > I know this is in the manual, but I'm in a catch-22 situation. I have to prove > that transferring with kermit will be faster than our present method, before I > get the manual purchase authorized, but I need to look at the manual to get the > best performance to outstrip our present method. So, hopefully some kind soul > will get me out of this. > > What I am doing is transferring binary files over an ethernet LAN, from an > IBM AIX box to an Compaq pentium PC. I would like to know the optimum settings for > both sides to get the best performance. Any other tips to help out in this > situation would also be appreciated. -------------- Does Compaq PC mean DOS? Windows? Unix? OS/2? Hint: about 4 Kermit window slots, 1-2KB Kermit packets. You will have to run your own tests because there are two ends involved. Hint, sort of: turn off control code prefixing for all but 1,3,127, and these plus 128. No XON/XOFF flow control, please. Personally I don't turn off prefixing and performance is still good (about 100KB/sec, file bytes, from MSK on a 486-66 DOS machine to C Kermit on my Unix machine). Disk drives on the Comqaq can make a marked difference in performance, so watch what's loaded on the machine. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Wed Feb 21 07:03:27 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA03100 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 07:03:26 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id HAA01057 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 07:03:22 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!news.dacom.co.kr!usenet.seri.re.kr!news.cais.net!news.jsums.edu!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!inet-nntp-gw-1.us.oracle.com!news.caldera.com!news.cc.utah.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Keeping Kermit from returning to command mode Message-ID: <1996Feb20.194120.74630@cc.usu.edu> Date: 20 Feb 96 19:41:19 MDT References: <4gd91d$257@morgoth.sfu.ca> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 18 In article <4gd91d$257@morgoth.sfu.ca>, binkley writes: > Forgive me if this question has been dealt with here, I couldn't find it > in the manual or the FAQ. We run Kermit 3.14 as a terminal emulator on > our library public workstations to connect to a VAX running VMS and an > Alpha running OSF-1. Occasionally in disconnecting from one of these > machines--usually when the network is very busy--Kermit breaks out of its > script and returns to the MS-Kermit> command prompt, which confuses our > users no end. > > Is there any way to have Kermit quit to DOS rather than command mode? ------------ Only two ways that I can think of, and it's not normally necessary. 1. Fix your script to check status of commands. Upon failure goto a label which quits Kermit. Better is to goto some place useful and regroup. 2. Run your scripts as a Kermit Take file specified on the DOS command line starting Kermit, and don't have command STAY on that line. This is in the manual. C> Kermit -f ourscript.tak Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Wed Feb 21 10:15:13 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA19187 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 10:15:12 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA16276 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 10:15:02 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: The C-Kermit book Date: 21 Feb 1996 15:14:57 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 12 Message-ID: <4gfcth$fsh@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <1996Feb17.173041@aik.tec.sc.us> <1996Feb17.193212.74384@cc.usu.edu> <17733D8A7S86.CMSFJK@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <17733D8A7S86.CMSFJK@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU>, F.J.Kelley wrote: : What is the latest edition of the C-Kermit book? I seem to recall : that it is 2-3 years old now, and was wondering whether another was : in the works???? : The first edition is still current. We are planning a new edition and will announce it when plans are definite. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Feb 21 17:44:51 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA15687 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 17:44:46 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id RAA26810 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 17:44:35 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!newsgate.watson.ibm.com!watnews.watson.ibm.com!grimsel.zurich.ibm.com!usenet From: Chahram Zolfaghari Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: (no subject) Date: 21 Feb 1996 14:03:45 GMT Organization: IBM Zurich Research Laboratory Lines: 12 Message-ID: <4gf8o1$qdp@grimsel.zurich.ibm.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: jungfrau.zurich.ibm.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.12 (X11; I; AIX 2) X-URL: news:comp.protocols.kermit.misc I would like to know what kind of compression method is used in Kermit-not only the name but also the algorithm. I would like to know if it is possible to disable compression in Kermit. -- Chahram Zolfaghari IBM Zurich Research Laboratory Saumerstrasse 4 CH-8803 Rueschlikon/Switzerland Work Tel. +41-1-724-85-20 or 41-1-724-84-97 VNET. Home Tel. +41-1-716-71-39 From news@columbia.edu Wed Feb 21 18:04:05 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA23825 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 18:04:03 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id SAA27342 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 18:03:54 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: (no subject) Date: 21 Feb 1996 23:03:50 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 16 Message-ID: <4gg8cm$qmb@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4gf8o1$qdp@grimsel.zurich.ibm.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4gf8o1$qdp@grimsel.zurich.ibm.com>, Chahram Zolfaghari wrote: : I would like to know what kind of compression method is used in Kermit - : not only the name but also the algorithm. I would like to know if it is : possible to disable compression in Kermit. : All of these questions are answered in the book "Kermit, A File Transfer Protocol", which contains the Kermit protocol specification. Briefly: it is a character-oriented form of run-length encoding, and yes, the protocol negotiates whether it is to be used, and so it is a matter of the user interface providing a function to let the user enable it and disable it. However, there is rarely a reason to disable it -- it is quite efficient, very cheap in CPU cycles and memory, and in general has no downside at all. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Feb 21 22:43:24 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA15625 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 22:43:22 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id WAA03580 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 22:43:19 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!hpg30a.csc.cuhk.hk!news.cuhk.edu.hk!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!chi-news.cic.net!uwm.edu!news.sol.net!solaria.sol.net!ksinner From: ksinner@solaria.sol.net (Kenton E. Sinner) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: FAQ? Date: 21 Feb 1996 23:56:48 GMT Organization: Solaria Public Access UNIX - Milwaukee, WI Lines: 4 Message-ID: <4ggbg0$i41@hummin.sol.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: solaria.sol.net X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] If there is a kermit FAQ, could somebody please email it to me? Thanks. From news@columbia.edu Thu Feb 22 00:20:43 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA23682 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 00:20:35 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id AAA06436 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 00:20:29 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!news.new-york.net!solaris.cc.vt.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!airgun.wg.waii.com!news From: zepeda@am51.wg.waii.com (Daniel Zepeda) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Optimum settings for TCP/IP transfers Date: 21 Feb 1996 20:35:49 GMT Organization: Western Geophysical, Div. of Western Atlas Int'l, Houston, TX Lines: 29 Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <1996Feb20.194856.74632@cc.usu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: am51.wg.waii.com In-reply-to: jrd@cc.usu.edu's message of 20 Feb 96 19:48:56 MDT In article <1996Feb20.194856.74632@cc.usu.edu> jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: > -------------- > Does Compaq PC mean DOS? Windows? Unix? OS/2? > Hint: about 4 Kermit window slots, 1-2KB Kermit packets. You will > have to run your own tests because there are two ends involved. > Hint, sort of: turn off control code prefixing for all but 1,3,127, > and these plus 128. No XON/XOFF flow control, please. Personally I don't > turn off prefixing and performance is still good (about 100KB/sec, file bytes, > from MSK on a 486-66 DOS machine to C Kermit on my Unix machine). Disk drives > on the Comqaq can make a marked difference in performance, so watch what's > loaded on the machine. > Joe D. Thanks, the control code prefixing should help. Compaq PC means DOS 6.2. The world is changing. Used to be you said PC, and it meant DOS, no questions asked. I should know better now. Especially since I'm a hard-core Linux user as well. Oh Well... Dan -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "ASCII art looks stupid with proportionally spaced fonts." Daniel Paul Zepeda Western Geophysical Applied Technology Software - Testing e-mail: From news@columbia.edu Thu Feb 22 00:28:29 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA24271 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 00:28:28 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id AAA06653 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 00:28:24 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!news.new-york.net!solaris.cc.vt.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!shemesh.tis.com!roger From: roger@tis.com (Roger Hartmuller) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: 3270 Emulator Date: 21 Feb 1996 20:44:37 GMT Organization: Trusted Information Systems, Inc. Lines: 3 Message-ID: <4gg07l$c3p@shemesh.tis.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: sol -- Does Kermit 95 have a 3270 emulator, for logging into VM/CMS? From news@columbia.edu Thu Feb 22 01:51:00 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA02845 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 01:50:59 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id BAA08254 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 01:50:55 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!hamblin.math.byu.edu!park.uvsc.edu!news.cc.utah.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: (no subject) Message-ID: <1996Feb21.083938.74661@cc.usu.edu> Date: 21 Feb 96 08:39:38 MDT References: <4gf8o1$qdp@grimsel.zurich.ibm.com> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 21 In article <4gf8o1$qdp@grimsel.zurich.ibm.com>, Chahram Zolfaghari writes: > I would like to know what kind of compression method is used in Kermit-not only > the name but also the algorithm. Run length encoding. Please see the protocol specifications in the book "Kermit, a file transfer protocol" by Frank da Cruz, ISBN 0-932376-88-6. > I would like to know if it is possible to disable compression in Kermit. No, and I can't think of a reason to do so either. What did you have in mind? Joe D. > Chahram Zolfaghari > IBM Zurich Research Laboratory > Saumerstrasse 4 > CH-8803 Rueschlikon/Switzerland > Work Tel. +41-1-724-85-20 or 41-1-724-84-97 > VNET. > Home Tel. +41-1-716-71-39 > From news@columbia.edu Thu Feb 22 09:41:36 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA16265 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 09:41:35 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id JAA05227 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 09:41:34 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: 3270 Emulator Date: 22 Feb 1996 14:41:18 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 12 Message-ID: <4ghvae$538@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4gg07l$c3p@shemesh.tis.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4gg07l$c3p@shemesh.tis.com>, Roger Hartmuller wrote: : Does Kermit 95 have a 3270 emulator, for logging into VM/CMS? : No, that's a future project for us. In the meantime, it can be used to access IBM mainframes through other protocol converters, either by dialup (e.g. to a communications front end that does 3270 protocol conversion, such as an IBM 7171 or a Cisco terminal server) or by Telnet (e.g. to a UNIX or VMS server, and then "tn3270" to the IBM host). You can also Telnet direct from Kermit 95 to the VM/CMS linemode telnet server. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Feb 22 09:43:36 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA16513 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 09:43:35 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id JAA05253 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 09:43:32 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: FAQ? Date: 22 Feb 1996 14:43:24 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 12 Message-ID: <4ghvec$543@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4ggbg0$i41@hummin.sol.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4ggbg0$i41@hummin.sol.net>, Kenton E. Sinner wrote: : If there is a kermit FAQ, could somebody please email it to me? : The Kermit FAQ is: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.html ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.txt I'll send you a copy. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Feb 22 12:49:49 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA09516 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 12:49:43 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id MAA10089 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 12:49:38 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!demos!dnews-server From: mar@chermk.vologda.su (Reznikov Michael) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Help!Kermit3.14 and connection closed. Date: 22 Feb 1996 14:11:59 +0300 Organization: Cherepovets Steel & Iron Plant Lines: 7 Sender: news-server@news.demos.su Distribution: a Message-ID: Reply-To: mar@chermk.vologda.su NNTP-Posting-Host: root@news.demos.su X-mailer: BML [MS/DOS Beauty Mail v.1.27] X-Return-Path: news.demos.su!kremvax.demos.su!chermk!chermk.vologda.su!mar Hi ALL ! My computer (MS-DOS,Kermit 3.14,tcp/ip) is connected with SCO Unix(tcp/ip). I see: "$". I do not work during 2 hours and see: "Connection closed" . Why ? What can I do ? How do I avoid "Connection closed" ? From news@columbia.edu Thu Feb 22 16:29:23 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA06086 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 16:29:22 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id QAA16025 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 16:29:18 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Announcing Kermit 95 1.1.3 Date: 22 Feb 1996 21:29:14 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 65 Message-ID: <4gin7a$fkl@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Keywords: Kermit, Windows 95, Windows NT, Host Mode, Telnet Version 1.1.3 of Kermit 95, communications software for Windows 95 and NT -- Serial (direct and modem), TCP/IP (Telnet and Rlogin), and DECnet LAT connections -- is now available. Kermit 95's main functions are VT320/220/102/100/52 and ANSI (BBS) terminal emulation, Kermit and XYZMODEM file transfer, script programming, and international character-set translation. Version 1.1.3 incorporates the following new features: + HOST MODE -- Like a Telnet server; works for dialins too. + New version available for Windows NT PowerPC Edition. + Search and bookmark capability added for scrollback buffer. + User-specifiable auto-upload commands (like "rz" for ZMODEM). + Big Kermit file-transfer speedups on TCP/IP connections, up to 100%. + TCP/IP connection tuning controls added. + Lots of script programming improvements. + Caps Lock <--> Ctrl key swap utility now included (courtesy of Dr. Mark Russinovich, University of Oregon). + Bug fixes (bugs???) The big news is HOST MODE, covered in a separate posting and also at: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95host.html This could be the Windows 95 Telnet server that you've been waiting for. The TCP/IP TUNING features should be of interest to anyone who has been experiencing sluggish Telnet, Rlogin, or file-transfer performance on SLIP or PPP connections. Kermit 95 is the first 32-bit Winsock application (to our knowledge) that lets you fine-tune TCP buffer sizes, turn the "Nagle algorithm" on and off, and so on, to achieve peak performance, despite the underlying Winsock tunings. The new release can be ordered in shrink-wrapped or bulk- or site-licensed form from Columbia University. All orders received starting today will be filled with version 1.1.3. Find ordering information at: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html Current registered users of Kermit 95 can download the 1.1.3 upgrade patch from our BBS or from our ftp site: ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/k95/patches/ WHAT'S NEXT Barring unforeseen circumstances, this will be the final console-mode-only release of Kermit 95, and also the final release that will work under Windows NT 3.xx. Henceforth all efforts will be directed at producing a full Windows 95 graphical-user-interface (GUI) version, which will be provided to current registered users of Kermit 95 at no additional cost. Work on the GUI version is well underway. In addition to the widely-desired change in the look and feel of the program, the conversion also frees us from a number of restrictions inherent in the use of Windows 95 console mode: . Character set and font restrictions . The 132-column mode bug in Windows 95 . The Caps Lock bug in Windows 95 . Various difficulties with printing Windows 95 4.00 or Windows NT 4.00 will be required to run the GUI version. Watch this space (and our Web page) for announcements. From news@columbia.edu Thu Feb 22 16:36:43 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA07131 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 16:36:42 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id QAA16285 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 16:36:40 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit 95: A Telnet Server for Windows 95 (and NT) Date: 22 Feb 1996 21:36:10 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 84 Message-ID: <4ginka$fsm@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Keywords: Telnet, Kermit 95, Windows 95, Windows NT A TELNET SERVER FOR WINDOWS 95 ??? Ever since Windows 95 came out, the newsgroups have been flooded with requests for a "Telnet server" or "Telnet daemon" for Windows 95. People who own Windows 95 systems want to be able to grant access to their friends or customers or clients -- and to themselves -- at other locations EVEN WHEN they do not have Windows 95, or Windows Anything, or even a PC. In situations like this, "remote access" solutions like pcAnywhere can not be used. Meanwhile, others want their friends, customers, selves, etc, to be able to DIAL IN (not TELNET) to their Windows 95 PCs, because one party or both are not on the Internet. A second reason why people instinctively ask for a TELNET server is that when you TELNET to a host, you have to log in. That is, the server provides some form of authentication AND access control -- not just a wide-open DOS prompt. KERMIT 95 HOST MODE Kermit 95 version 1.1.3, just announced, includes a new "host mode" which addresses all of these needs in a consistent fashion for both incoming Telnet connections and dialin connections. It works like a little menu-driven text BBS. Depending on your PC's configuration and how you set up host mode, it can support one or multiple concurrent host sessions. Users log in, they get their own restricted set of directories where they can upload and download files using Kermit or X/Y/ZMODEM protocols, view directory listings, manage files, and so on, but can not access other directories, and so therefore they can't access your private files, delete or write over essential system files, and so on. They can send messages to you, and you can send messages to them. They can do only what is on the menu -- there are no trap doors. However, provision is made for a privileged class of users who have unrestricted directory access and permission to execute DOS commands (normally you, as the PC owner, would grant this privilege only to yourself). TELNET AND DIALUP TOO Kermit 95's host mode works on incoming TCP/IP connections as well as on dialup connections, where Kermit 95 waits for a phone call to come in. The client software can be any communications program on any kind of computer, as long as it supports the appropriate connection method (dialup or Telnet), VT100 or ANSI terminal emulation, and has Kermit or ZMODEM file-transfer capability. EASY TO MANAGE AND EASY TO USE K95 host mode is easy to set up, easy to manage, and easy to use. It comes with a management program, customizable configuration, a user ID system with password encryption, and lots more. It is entirely self contained and does not mess with the Windows Registry or other sensitive items in any way. It runs on both Windows 95 and Windows NT, and can be accessed from ANY kind of computer that can make a dialup or Telnet connection. It's not a BBS, it doesn't have "chat rooms" or games or zippy graphics. It DOES give you secure and reliable two-way file transfer and messaging, without dedicating your machine to it, and without requiring you to spend big bucks or devote a lot of time to setting up a BBS, and without your users having to learn anything since it's all menu driven. And perhaps best of all, it is written 100% in Kermit script language, which means you can change it to suit your needs and preferences. You have the source code. FOR FURTHER INFORMATION To find out more about Kermit 95 and about host mode too -- including a copy of the host-mode user guide -- see the Kermit 95 Web page: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html The user guide includes a detailed discussion of exactly what host mode can do and what it can't -- and why. Frank da Cruz and Christine M. Gianone Managers The Kermit Project Columbia University kermit@columbia.edu From news@columbia.edu Thu Feb 22 17:25:50 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA14039 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 17:25:49 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id RAA17658 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 17:25:47 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Announcing Kermit 95 for Windows NT PowerPC Edition Date: 22 Feb 1996 22:25:40 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 34 Message-ID: <4giqh4$h7c@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Keywords: Kermit 95, Windows NT, PowerPC Kermit 95 communication software, as of version 1.1.3 (just announced), is now available for Microsoft Windows NT 3.51 and later on the PowerPC platform. Previously it was available only for Intel platforms. Kermit 95 is 32-bit native communications software for Windows 95 and Windows NT from Columbia University's Kermit Project offering: . Serial communication -- direct and dialed -- plus TCP/IP (Telnet and Rlogin) over 32-bit Microsoft, FTP Software, or Trumpet Winsock; plus DECnet LAT via Meridian Technology SuperLAT. . Fast Kermit and XYZMODEM file transfer. . VT320/220/102/100/52 and ANSI terminal emulation with key mapping, screen rollback, colors, mouse functions, printer functions. . A directory preloaded with hundreds of Internet and dialup entries. . A "host mode" for incoming Telnet and serial connections. . Script programming, character-set translation, and more. Information at: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html We don't have a version for the Alpha AXP or MIPS platforms yet, due to lack of the needed development systems. Frank da Cruz and Christine M. Gianone Managers, The Kermit Project Columbia University New York City kermit@columbia.edu From news@columbia.edu Fri Feb 23 19:41:58 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA10892 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 19:41:57 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id TAA10899 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 19:41:55 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!pipeline!newsjunkie.ans.net!newsfeeds.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.dacom.co.kr!news.uoregon.edu!news.u.washington.edu!uw-beaver!uw-coco!nwnews.wa.com!nwfocus.wa.com!krel.iea.com!comtch!andersr From: andersr@comtch.iea.com (Rod Anderson) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Keeping Kermit from returning to command mode Date: 22 Feb 1996 22:51:34 GMT Organization: CompuTech Lines: 36 Message-ID: <4gis1m$27t@krel.iea.com> References: <4gd91d$257@morgoth.sfu.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: comtch.iea.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] binkley (binkley@sfu.ca) wrote: : Forgive me if this question has been dealt with here, I couldn't find it : in the manual or the FAQ. We run Kermit 3.14 as a terminal emulator on : our library public workstations to connect to a VAX running VMS and an : Alpha running OSF-1. Occasionally in disconnecting from one of these : machines--usually when the network is very busy--Kermit breaks out of its : script and returns to the MS-Kermit> command prompt, which confuses our : users no end. : Is there any way to have Kermit quit to DOS rather than command mode? Off the top of my head I's suggest creating a script file that does nothing (nothing.tak) and start kermit with a command like this: kermit take nothing.tak If I understood the Using MS-Kermit correctly anytime (intentionally or unintentionally) kermit leaves the terminal mode it will exit. I have to include the STAY command at the end of all the auto dial/logon scripts I use or anytime I escape back to the command mode kermit exits. See pages 51, 202, and 221 of "Using MS-Kermit" : Many thanks, : Dave Binkley : Simon Fraser University Libraries : Burnaby, British Columbia Rod ------- Please don't tell my mother I work for the government. She thinks I play piano in a bordello. From news@columbia.edu Fri Feb 23 20:27:07 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA14400 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 20:27:06 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id UAA11860 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 20:27:04 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!torn!istar.net!news1.vancouver.istar.net!news.vancouver.istar.net!uniserve!news1.ottawa.istar.net!fonorola!news.ottawa.istar.net!news.synapse.net!news-admin From: evanc@synapse.net (Evan Champion) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Changing default font size in K95 Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 21:41:56 GMT Organization: Synapse Internet [www.synapse.net] Lines: 14 Distribution: world Message-ID: <4glcbu$muh@piano.synapse.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: cello.synapse.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 I'm running Kermit 95 1.13 under Windows 95. How do I change the default font size for the K95 windows? Whatever I do, the default font size comes out to be "auto" instead of what I put in (7x11 TrueType). Any ideas? I know under NT there is the Console control panel which does the job quite nicely but there is no such thing in 95. Thanks. Evan From news@columbia.edu Fri Feb 23 20:42:05 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA15723 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 20:42:04 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id UAA12199 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 20:42:01 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Changing default font size in K95 Date: 24 Feb 1996 01:41:49 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 24 Message-ID: <4glqct$bt2@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4glcbu$muh@piano.synapse.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4glcbu$muh@piano.synapse.net>, Evan Champion wrote: : I'm running Kermit 95 1.13 under Windows 95. : : How do I change the default font size for the K95 windows? Whatever I : do, the default font size comes out to be "auto" instead of what I put : in (7x11 TrueType). Open MyComputer -> C: -> Windows -> System There is a file called CONAGENT.EXE. Select it and right mouse click. Choose Properties on the Menu. On the font page, choose the font you wish Windows 95 to use for ALL console applications. Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 * 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 * (212) 854-1344 C-Kermit 5A(191) for OS/2: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cko191.html Kermit 95 for Windows 95 : http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html From news@columbia.edu Fri Feb 23 21:17:59 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA18394 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 21:17:59 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id VAA13020 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 21:17:56 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!hpg30a.csc.cuhk.hk!news.cuhk.edu.hk!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!csugrad.cs.vt.edu!csugrad.cs.vt.edu!not-for-mail From: haggerty@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (Pete-O-Rama) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-Kermit, UNIX and term variables Date: 23 Feb 1996 18:24:37 -0500 Organization: Virginia Tech Computer Science Dept, Blacksburg, VA Lines: 20 Message-ID: <4glibl$5ss@csugrad.cs.vt.edu> References: <4gla4o$rp6@csugrad.cs.vt.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: csugrad.cs.vt.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Daniel Zepeda (zepeda@am51.wg.waii.com) wrote: : In article <4gla4o$rp6@csugrad.cs.vt.edu> haggerty@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (Pete-O-Rama) writes: : This may not be your problem, but remember that most crons run their jobs with : the system default shell, which is usually the Bourne Shell. Make sure that : your csh script is being interpreted by a csh interpreter, like: : "28 16 13 01 * /bin/csh yourScriptName". Thanks for the response but since I have run the script (both command line and exec, I just tested it again) as root that should not make any difference at all. I have also tried testing it both with and without the /bin/csh. Argh, I wish I knew what Kermit looks for. Thanks tho, Peter From news@columbia.edu Fri Feb 23 21:52:04 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA20955 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 21:52:03 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id VAA13698 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 21:52:01 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!tribune.meitca.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!airgun.wg.waii.com!news From: zepeda@am51.wg.waii.com (Daniel Zepeda) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-Kermit, UNIX and term variables Date: 23 Feb 1996 21:37:49 GMT Organization: Western Geophysical, Div. of Western Atlas Int'l, Houston, TX Lines: 36 Message-ID: References: <4gla4o$rp6@csugrad.cs.vt.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: am51.wg.waii.com In-reply-to: haggerty@csugrad.cs.vt.edu's message of 23 Feb 1996 16:04:24 -0500 In article <4gla4o$rp6@csugrad.cs.vt.edu> haggerty@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (Pete-O-Rama) writes: This may not be your problem, but remember that most crons run their jobs with the system default shell, which is usually the Bourne Shell. Make sure that your csh script is being interpreted by a csh interpreter, like: "28 16 13 01 * /bin/csh yourScriptName". > From: haggerty@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (Pete-O-Rama) > Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc > Date: 23 Feb 1996 16:04:24 -0500 > Organization: Virginia Tech Computer Science Dept, Blacksburg, VA > > I have been working on a script that uses expect (a program to automate > processes that expect interactive input from a human user) to automate a > dial up process. The c-shell script calls a expect script which spawns > the kermit process that then calls and has the expect script give it > commands. > > The whole process works find when it is run from the command line (by > invoking the name of the c-shell script) (both in the background and > in the foreground). It also runs fine when run with the exec command. > The only time that it does not work is when it is run from cron. > Since exec passes the process the environment variables and cron does > not I can only assume that C-Kermit is missing some variable. -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "ASCII art looks stupid with proportionally spaced fonts." Daniel Paul Zepeda Western Geophysical Applied Technology Software - Testing e-mail: From news@columbia.edu Fri Feb 23 23:03:00 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA26274 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 23:02:52 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id XAA15395 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 23:02:49 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!hpg30a.csc.cuhk.hk!news.cuhk.edu.hk!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!psinntp!psinntp!psinntp!psinntp!hawk.hcsc.com!amber!tom From: tom@ssd.csd.harris.com (Tom Horsley) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Non-console kermit on NT 4.0 question Date: 23 Feb 1996 20:14:30 GMT Organization: Harris Computer Systems Corporation Lines: 15 Message-ID: Reply-To: Tom.Horsley@hawk.hcsc.com NNTP-Posting-Host: amber.ssd.hcsc.com Just a silly question about the forthcoming native windows (not console) k95: Will the key scancodes be the same as the ones the console version used, or will I have to translate all my scan codes to some new scheme? (It doesn't matter much to me, the pain of translating them is brief :-). P.S. I have the NT 4.0 beta on my system and would be happy to test the native windows version for you :-). (I really want to be able to use good fonts instead of the awful selection available for console apps). -- -- Tom.Horsley@mail.hcsc.com Home: 511 Kingbird Circle Delray Beach FL 33444 Work: Harris Computers, 2101 W. Cypress Creek Rd. Ft. Lauderdale FL 33309 Support Project Vote Smart! They need your support in non-election years too! (email pvs@neu.edu, 1-800-622-SMART, http://www.vote-smart.org) From news@columbia.edu Sat Feb 24 02:26:51 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id CAA12964 for ; Sat, 24 Feb 1996 02:26:50 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id CAA19702 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 24 Feb 1996 02:26:47 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!iol!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!news.mathworks.com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!csugrad.cs.vt.edu!csugrad.cs.vt.edu!not-for-mail From: haggerty@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (Pete-O-Rama) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: C-Kermit, UNIX and term variables Date: 23 Feb 1996 16:04:24 -0500 Organization: Virginia Tech Computer Science Dept, Blacksburg, VA Lines: 26 Message-ID: <4gla4o$rp6@csugrad.cs.vt.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: csugrad.cs.vt.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] I have been working on a script that uses expect (a program to automate processes that expect interactive input from a human user) to automate a dial up process. The c-shell script calls a expect script which spawns the kermit process that then calls and has the expect script give it commands. The whole process works find when it is run from the command line (by invoking the name of the c-shell script) (both in the background and in the foreground). It also runs fine when run with the exec command. The only time that it does not work is when it is run from cron. Since exec passes the process the environment variables and cron does not I can only assume that C-Kermit is missing some variable. In the expect script I have declared several environment variables but apparently they are not either not correct (although they are copied from the output of the set command from the shell) or not the right variables. What variables does C-Kermit look for? Has anyone run across this problem before? Is there another place that I might look for answers? Thanks, Peter haggerty@scholar.lib.vt.edu From news@columbia.edu Sat Feb 24 09:47:14 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA23073 for ; Sat, 24 Feb 1996 09:47:13 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id JAA16342 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 24 Feb 1996 09:47:10 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!uwm.edu!alpha1.csd.uwm.edu!not-for-mail From: hseaver@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (Harmon F Seaver) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Multiple Tabs in Macros??? Date: 23 Feb 1996 22:25:14 GMT Organization: University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee Lines: 16 Message-ID: <4glesa$lqq@uwm.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.169.1 X-Newsreader: TIN [UNIX 1.3 950824BETA PL0] Is there some sort of line length limit for macros in Kermit? I'm trying to put multiple tabs on a key, I've got 10 and 15 tabs, but 20 gets an "exceeded the buffer" message. Is there a better way to do this? -- Harmon Seaver hseaver@csd.uwm.edu "Facts an' facts, an' t'ings an' t'ings: dem's all a lotta fockin' bullshit. Hear me! Dere is no truth but de one truth, an' that is de truth of Jah Rastafari." -- Bob Marley, 1978. ============================================================================== Copyright, Harmon F. Seaver, 1995. License to distribute this post is available to Microsoft for US$1,000 per instance, or local equivalent. ============================================================================== From news@columbia.edu Sat Feb 24 10:09:32 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA25119 for ; Sat, 24 Feb 1996 10:09:30 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA16755 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 24 Feb 1996 10:09:27 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Non-console kermit on NT 4.0 question Date: 24 Feb 1996 15:08:50 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 21 Message-ID: <4gn9m2$gbb@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Tom Horsley wrote: : Just a silly question about the forthcoming native windows (not console) : k95: Will the key scancodes be the same as the ones the console version : used, or will I have to translate all my scan codes to some new scheme? : (It doesn't matter much to me, the pain of translating them is brief :-). : The scan codes will be compatible. As to the pain, we are also considering a "grand unification" of scan codes among MS-DOS / Windows 3.x Kermit, Kermit 95 for Windows 95 and NT, as well as OS/2 C-Kermit. Exactly what form this will take, and whether we will succeed, remains to be seen. : P.S. I have the NT 4.0 beta on my system and would be happy to test : the native windows version for you :-). (I really want to be able to use : good fonts instead of the awful selection available for console apps). : We're moving as quickly as we can. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sat Feb 24 10:15:35 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA25753 for ; Sat, 24 Feb 1996 10:15:35 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA16937 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 24 Feb 1996 10:15:33 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-Kermit, UNIX and term variables Date: 24 Feb 1996 15:15:14 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 30 Message-ID: <4gna22$ggh@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4gla4o$rp6@csugrad.cs.vt.edu> <4glibl$5ss@csugrad.cs.vt.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4glibl$5ss@csugrad.cs.vt.edu>, Pete-O-Rama wrote: : Daniel Zepeda (zepeda@am51.wg.waii.com) wrote: : : In article <4gla4o$rp6@csugrad.cs.vt.edu> : : haggerty@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (Pete-O-Rama) writes: : : This may not be your problem, but remember that most crons run their : : jobs with the system default shell, which is usually the Bourne : : Shell. Make sure that your csh script is being interpreted by a csh : : interpreter, like: : : : "28 16 13 01 * /bin/csh yourScriptName". : : Thanks for the response but since I have run the script (both command line : and exec, I just tested it again) as root that should not make any difference : at all. I have also tried testing it both with and without the /bin/csh. : : Argh, I wish I knew what Kermit looks for. : What do you want it to look for? As explained in the manual, Kermit commands can access environment variables as follows: \$(name) where "name" is the name of the environment variable. Case matters. In any case, you might find you have an easier time writing your program entirely as a Kermit script, rather than trying to mix expect and Kermit. That's what the Kermit script language is for. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sat Feb 24 10:20:46 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA26275 for ; Sat, 24 Feb 1996 10:20:45 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA17133 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 24 Feb 1996 10:20:43 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Changing default font size in K95 Date: 24 Feb 1996 15:20:27 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 15 Message-ID: <4gnabr$gn8@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4glcbu$muh@piano.synapse.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4glcbu$muh@piano.synapse.net>, Evan Champion wrote: : I'm running Kermit 95 1.13 under Windows 95. : : How do I change the default font size for the K95 windows? Whatever I : do, the default font size comes out to be "auto" instead of what I put : in (7x11 TrueType). : See the CREATING SHORTCUTS section of the top-level READ.ME file. Also see the Frequently Asked Questions section in the BUGS.DOC file. Also see http://barnyard.syr.edu/~vefatica/k95bits.html. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sat Feb 24 10:27:19 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA26876 for ; Sat, 24 Feb 1996 10:27:19 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA17232 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 24 Feb 1996 10:27:16 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Multiple Tabs in Macros??? Date: 24 Feb 1996 15:26:45 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 29 Message-ID: <4gnanl$gqa@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4glesa$lqq@uwm.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4glesa$lqq@uwm.edu>, Harmon F Seaver wrote: : Is there some sort of line length limit for macros in Kermit? : There is, in general, no limit on the length of a macro definition, but there *is* a limit on the length of a command: the DEFINE command that defines the macro can only be so long. The maximum length depends on the exact version of Kermit you are talking about, and is probably somewhere between 256 bytes and 4096 bytes. If you need to define a macro that is longer than the command buffer, define several macros, and then a "super macro" that executes them in sequence. Example: define part1 blah, blah, blah, ... define part1 blah, blah, blah, ... ... define partn blah, blah, blah, ... define bigmacro part1, part2, part3, ..., partn : I'm trying : to put multiple tabs on a key, I've got 10 and 15 tabs, but 20 gets an : "exceeded the buffer" message. Is there a better way to do this? : Or were you actually talking about the maximum length for a key definition? Again, there is some limit, depending on the specific Kermit version, but you can use tricks similar to the above to get around it. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sat Feb 24 12:30:57 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA08362 for ; Sat, 24 Feb 1996 12:30:56 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id MAA19754 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 24 Feb 1996 12:30:52 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!pipeline!newsjunkie.ans.net!newsfeeds.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!usc!chi-news.cic.net!nntp.coast.net!oleane!calvacom!newsmaster From: do11@calvacom.fr (Dominique Ottello) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 - read file command Date: Sat, 24 Feb 1996 14:33:02 GMT Organization: CalvaCom Networks Lines: 17 Message-ID: <4gn7f2$hgr@midgard.calvacom.fr> Reply-To: do11@calvacom.fr NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp5-4.calvacom.fr Is there any possibility to overcome the fact that : open read file read Foo close read-file does not put into Foo the leading space(s) if the line of file has space(s) at the beginning. I need to overcome this problem because the line I want to read has a variable number of space at the beginning, but the information I want to extract are always at the same character number. ====================================================== == Dominique == do11@calvacom.fr == Paris == France == ====================================================== From news@columbia.edu Sat Feb 24 14:35:17 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA20659 for ; Sat, 24 Feb 1996 14:35:16 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id OAA22517 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 24 Feb 1996 14:35:13 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!gatech!ukma!hermes.louisville.edu!homer.louisville.edu!wrcoe001 From: wrcoe001@homer.louisville.edu (Walter R. Coe) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Flow control in Kermit 3.13 Date: 24 Feb 1996 05:46:12 GMT Organization: University of Louisville, Louisville KY USA Lines: 20 Message-ID: <4gm8n4$663@hermes.louisville.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: homer.louisville.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Feb 24, 1996 Via a dail-up 28,800 modem I am accessing a Unix box via Kermit 3.13 comms software. I am expereincing on-going delays or "hangs" both in keying in data as well as transfering text and binary files from the Unix box to my PC. The same sort of "hang" occurs with an IBM big box. I guess Kermit 3.13 and the 28,800 are the problem. Someone has told me I am having a "flow control" problem. Does anyone know if that sounds correct? To solve the "flow control" problem I was told I could key in rts to somehow change the stiuation. Anyone have a clue as to what rts is about? Key it in where? Is there a change needed to the MSkermit.ini file? TIA. RAndy From news@columbia.edu Sat Feb 24 14:35:17 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA20658 for ; Sat, 24 Feb 1996 14:35:16 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id OAA22514 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 24 Feb 1996 14:35:13 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!news.dacom.co.kr!usenet.seri.re.kr!news.cais.net!news.jsums.edu!gatech!sdd.hp.com!hamblin.math.byu.edu!park.uvsc.edu!news.cc.utah.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Multiple Tabs in Macros??? Message-ID: <1996Feb23.185505.74890@cc.usu.edu> Date: 23 Feb 96 18:55:05 MDT References: <4glesa$lqq@uwm.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 8 In article <4glesa$lqq@uwm.edu>, hseaver@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (Harmon F Seaver) writes: > Is there some sort of line length limit for macros in Kermit? I'm trying > to put multiple tabs on a key, I've got 10 and 15 tabs, but 20 gets an > "exceeded the buffer" message. Is there a better way to do this? --------- Which particular Kermit (and version number) please. Remember there are nearly uncounted Kermits in the collection. Joe D. 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See news.admin.net-abuse.announce, report 19960224.04 for further details From news@columbia.edu Sat Feb 24 17:39:08 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA08059 for ; Sat, 24 Feb 1996 17:39:07 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id RAA26389 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 24 Feb 1996 17:39:02 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Flow control in Kermit 3.13 Date: 24 Feb 1996 22:38:46 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 47 Message-ID: <4go41m$pog@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4gm8n4$663@hermes.louisville.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4gm8n4$663@hermes.louisville.edu>, Walter R. Coe wrote: : Via a dail-up 28,800 modem I am accessing a Unix box via Kermit 3.13 : comms software. I am expereincing on-going delays or "hangs" both in : keying in data as well as transfering text and binary files from the : Unix box to my PC. The same sort of "hang" occurs with an IBM big box. : I guess Kermit 3.13 and the 28,800 are the problem. Someone has told me : I am having a "flow control" problem. Does anyone know if that sounds : correct? : It is most likely correct. : To solve the "flow control" problem I was told I could key in rts to somehow : change the stiuation. Anyone have a clue as to what rts is about? Key it : in where? Is there a change needed to the MSkermit.ini file? : Like it says in the manual, "Using MS-DOS Kermit", which you should consult, the command is "set flow rts/cts". You can type it at the prompt, you can put it in your MSKERMIT.INI file, or enter in any other way you like. But that's just the beginning. To take full advantage of your modem, you should: . Use a higher interface speed than the maximum connection speed (28800) so the modem's compression can take effect. Use 115200 bps if it works, 57600 if it doesn't (you need a well-tuned buffered UART to do 115200 without trouble). . Configure the modem also to use RTS/CTS flow control. . Also make sure you have enabled error correction and data compression in the modem itself. You should also use the current version of MS-DOS Kermit, which is 3.14. All of these steps are performed for you automatically if you use one of MS-DOS Kermit's dialing scripts. Tell Kermit to "set modem xxx", where xxx corresponds to the name (the part before the period) of the appropriate dialing script in MS-DOS Kermit's MODEMS subdirectory. Then just use the "dial" command to dial a number. To find out how to get the latest version of MS-DOS Kermit and the manual, see our Web page: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sat Feb 24 20:00:01 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA21230 for ; Sat, 24 Feb 1996 20:00:00 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id TAA29415 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 24 Feb 1996 19:59:57 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!imci5!pull-feed.internetmci.com!news.internetMCI.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.reston.ans.net!psinntp!psinntp!psinntp!psinntp!hawk.hcsc.com!amber!tom From: tom@ssd.csd.harris.com (Tom Horsley) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: minor bug in new kermit Date: 24 Feb 1996 21:11:42 GMT Organization: Harris Computer Systems Corporation Lines: 20 Message-ID: Reply-To: Tom.Horsley@hawk.hcsc.com NNTP-Posting-Host: amber.ssd.hcsc.com I just installed 1.1.3 and I noticed a slightly flakey behavior. Once I complete a dialing sequence and am connected, kermit switches to the terminal emulation window like normal, but it apparently forgets to repaint the screen with the new colors. I get only the characters where output actually occurs painted with my selected emulation colors (blue background, yellow foreground) and the rest of the screen is still gray and black. Once I scroll up from the bottom enough, the whole screen gets painted correctly and things look normal again. This is on Windows NT 4.0 Beta (build 1234), and it might have something to do with flakeyness in the console support, because I notice I also get quite a lot of screen flicker when typing that I didn't get when I was running NT 3.51. -- -- Tom.Horsley@mail.hcsc.com Home: 511 Kingbird Circle Delray Beach FL 33444 Work: Harris Computers, 2101 W. Cypress Creek Rd. Ft. Lauderdale FL 33309 Support Project Vote Smart! They need your support in non-election years too! (email pvs@neu.edu, 1-800-622-SMART, http://www.vote-smart.org) From news@columbia.edu Sat Feb 24 20:35:12 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA24485 for ; Sat, 24 Feb 1996 20:35:11 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id UAA00175 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 24 Feb 1996 20:35:09 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: minor bug in new kermit Date: 25 Feb 1996 01:34:54 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 23 Message-ID: <4goebu$4l@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Tom Horsley wrote: : I just installed 1.1.3 and I noticed a slightly flakey behavior. Once I : complete a dialing sequence and am connected, kermit switches to the : terminal emulation window like normal, but it apparently forgets to : repaint the screen with the new colors. I get only the characters where : output actually occurs painted with my selected emulation colors (blue : background, yellow foreground) and the rest of the screen is still gray : and black. Once I scroll up from the bottom enough, the whole screen : gets painted correctly and things look normal again. : Oops. This is actually a byproduct of the conversion to GUI, which, believe it or not (believe it, now you have evidence) is occurring right under your nose :-) We will have a patch for it, though -- K95 users should not have to suffer though unsightly discolorations unnecessarily. In the meantime, use the "clear terminal" command prior to CONNECTing for the first time (or prior to CONNECTing any time after you have made a color change) and all will be well. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sat Feb 24 22:08:18 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA02109 for ; Sat, 24 Feb 1996 22:08:18 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id WAA02167 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 24 Feb 1996 22:08:15 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!hpg30a.csc.cuhk.hk!news.cuhk.edu.hk!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.creative.net!CREATIVE.NET From: bmorgan@creative.net Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: CKO 191 as PPP dialler, how? Date: Sat, 24 Feb 96 12:55:56 Organization: BBS Systems - San Francisco Lines: 6 Message-ID: <4gntrd$dpv@cyberE.creative.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: port22.creative.net X-Newsreader: IBM WebExplorer DLL I see references to an expired thread which implies I can use CKO as a redialler for a direct PPP (with PAP) setup. I don't see anything on this in the FAQ or in "Using C-Kermit". Can someone help me with instructions on this? TIA, Byron Morgan From news@columbia.edu Sat Feb 24 22:08:19 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA02108 for ; Sat, 24 Feb 1996 22:08:18 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id WAA02169 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 24 Feb 1996 22:08:15 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!news.dacom.co.kr!usenet.seri.re.kr!news.cais.net!news.jsums.edu!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!nwnews.wa.com!nwfocus.wa.com!krel.iea.com!comtch!andersr From: andersr@comtch.iea.com (Rod Anderson) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: (no subject) Date: 24 Feb 1996 13:38:52 GMT Organization: CompuTech Lines: 32 Message-ID: <4gn4dc$9mt@krel.iea.com> References: <4gf8o1$qdp@grimsel.zurich.ibm.com> <4gg8cm$qmb@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: comtch.iea.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Frank da Cruz (fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: : Protocol", which contains the Kermit protocol specification. Briefly: it : is a character-oriented form of run-length encoding, and yes, the protocol : negotiates whether it is to be used, and so it is a matter of the user : interface providing a function to let the user enable it and disable it. : However, there is rarely a reason to disable it -- it is quite efficient, : very cheap in CPU cycles and memory, and in general has no downside at : all. And not to argue with `the' expert but to re-enforce his point: I can say it is VERY efficient! Normally I down/up load binary (compressed) files. The other day I down loaded a text file. I have compression on my Sportster 14.4 disabled (for testing) and still went from a 1500+ char/sec. to a 2300+ char/sec. So what this means to me is; when compression was needed it is used and when not it isn't. No worries if you can't compress or uncompress you files at either end. Kermit will get you the best possible transfer rate. I haven't tried to turn off Kermit compression and turn on modem (hardware) compression to see if I get better transfer rates. With residential phone lines this seems good enough for me. Now back to hte real source. : - Frank Rod ------- Please don't tell my mother I work for the government. She thinks I play piano in a bordello. From news@columbia.edu Sat Feb 24 22:20:29 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA02990 for ; Sat, 24 Feb 1996 22:20:29 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id WAA02461 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 24 Feb 1996 22:20:26 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: CKO 191 as PPP dialler, how? Date: 25 Feb 1996 03:20:00 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 15 Message-ID: <4gokh0$2bi@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4gntrd$dpv@cyberE.creative.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4gntrd$dpv@cyberE.creative.net>, wrote: : I see references to an expired thread which implies I can use CKO as a redialler for a direct : PPP (with PAP) setup. I don't see anything on this in the FAQ or in "Using C-Kermit". Can someone : help me with instructions on this? : Read the CKERMIT.INF file, search on "PPP". If it is not there, get a newer build of Cko191.zip. Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 * 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 * (212) 854-1344 C-Kermit 5A(191) for OS/2: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cko191.html Kermit 95 for Windows 95 : http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html From news@columbia.edu Sun Feb 25 05:24:12 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id FAA04370 for ; Sun, 25 Feb 1996 05:24:11 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id FAA10165 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 25 Feb 1996 05:24:09 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!news.nevada.edu!homesick.cs.unlv.edu!ray From: ray@asci.com (Ray Tripamer) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: WordPerfect in UNIX Date: 22 Feb 1996 21:25:17 GMT Organization: UNLV College of Engineering Lines: 46 Message-ID: <4gimvt$ik8@homesick.cs.unlv.edu> References: <4gcpku$vfn@netnews.upenn.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: gabion.asci.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Alex Yulman (yulman@blue.seas.upenn.edu) wrote: : I am moving up to Kermit 3.13 from a previous version. I used : to access UNIX trough Kermit and run Word Perfect. Don't asc me why... : All of my scripts ran well in 3.12. Now, in 3.13 when I start up WP : the initial screen is displayed as a mirror image of itself. So : instead of " Word Perfect" : I see " tcefreP droW" : : What's the problem... please help. : Thank you. : -- : Alex Yulman : (215)382-5140 MS-Kermit 3.13 and 3.14 added support for arabic fontsi (I think), and the escape sequence to invoke the display from "Right to Left" also happened to be what Word Perfect was using to invoke their function key setting macros. I think the Kermit BWR file mentions this change and what to do to deal with it. Basically, you need to modify the stock kermit.trs driver from WordPerfect using wpterm, and change the various initialze and reset strings to use the proper method for invoking Word Perfect's key mapping macros. We did this a long time ago, and we have place our modified kermit terminal driver on our public FTP site - you can get it as follows: % ftp ftp.asci.com (log in as anonymous, give e-mail address as your password) ftp> cd pub/wp ftp> bin ftp> get kerm313.trs ftp> quit % Now, take the kerm313.trs file and place it in the shlib sub-directory of your top-level Word Perfect directory. Then, set your WPTERM51 environment variable to "kerm313" to use the new driver, or cop over the existing kermit.trs driver with ours (we still have some places running MS-Kermit 3.12 or lower so we need both - ugh!). Hope this helps. -- Ray Tripamer ray@asci.com From news@columbia.edu Sun Feb 25 08:59:33 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA27158 for ; Sun, 25 Feb 1996 08:59:32 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id IAA03004 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 25 Feb 1996 08:59:29 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!tribune.meitca.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!nntp.coast.net!torn!news.ryerson.ca!hopper.acs.ryerson.ca!aaab From: aaab@acs.ryerson.ca (Al Aab - CNED/W94) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: . logon script ? Date: 25 Feb 1996 09:41:23 GMT Organization: Ryerson Polytechnic University Lines: 36 Message-ID: <4gpas3$dah@ns2.ryerson.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: hopper.acs.ryerson.ca X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] how to logon using a script ? specifically, 3 infos are asked for by the service provider : 1- name of particular hostcomputer 2- login name of the user 3- password if a keyboard macro (using a shareware similar to prokey ) is used there is a problem ( not just at login time, throughout all the session ) the following characters may or may not be recognized ( even if a 2 second pause is programmed, using that prokey clone. even if using one such pause before the nagging character + another 2second pause after the nagging character) the nagging characters, that may or may not get transmitted to the host include : enter linefeed tab --- another problem : while defining an emacs macro, using the emacs macro editor, some characters seem to crash kermit: control F2 ... alt F2 ... --------- the home terminal used to access the university unix host is a PC. the symptoms show up at 2400 baud. From news@columbia.edu Sun Feb 25 11:04:49 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA07681 for ; Sun, 25 Feb 1996 11:04:49 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA05074 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 25 Feb 1996 11:04:44 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!chi-news.cic.net!nntp.coast.net!news00.sunet.se!sunic!news99.sunet.se!news.funet.fi!news.helsinki.fi!kruuna!tlinden From: tlinden@cc.Helsinki.FI (Tomas Linden) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MSKERMIT 3.14 and COMMAND.COM Date: 25 Feb 1996 10:24:35 GMT Organization: University of Helsinki Lines: 12 Message-ID: <4gpdd3$b7q@oravannahka.Helsinki.FI> NNTP-Posting-Host: kruuna.helsinki.fi Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL0] Sometimes I get the following error message from MSKERMIT 3.14: ?Unable to execute command interpreter C:\COMMAND.COM This I get in the middle of CONNECT mode and also when trying to execute DOS 5.0 commands from within Kermit itself. I removed my SHELL command from my CONFIG.SYS and this seemed to fix the problem, but I'm not yet sure. I have COMMAND.COM in my root directory and also a copy of it in C:\DOS because some other programs were complaining when I only had it in the root. What is the real cause of this error message? Tomas Linden ------------ Tomas.Linden@Helsinki.FI From news@columbia.edu Sun Feb 25 14:45:58 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA28227 for ; Sun, 25 Feb 1996 14:45:57 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id OAA10001 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 25 Feb 1996 14:45:55 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!uwm.edu!alpha1.csd.uwm.edu!not-for-mail From: hseaver@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (Harmon F Seaver) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Multiple Tabs in Macros??? Date: 25 Feb 1996 16:32:22 GMT Organization: University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee Lines: 19 Message-ID: <4gq2um$g1e@uwm.edu> References: <4glesa$lqq@uwm.edu> <1996Feb23.185505.74890@cc.usu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.169.1 X-Newsreader: TIN [UNIX 1.3 950824BETA PL0] Joe Doupnik (jrd@cc.usu.edu) wrote: : Which particular Kermit (and version number) please. Remember there : are nearly uncounted Kermits in the collection. This is 3.11 -- I'm going to upgrade to 3.14, but all the other machines are on 3.11 also. -- Harmon Seaver hseaver@csd.uwm.edu "Facts an' facts, an' t'ings an' t'ings: dem's all a lotta fockin' bullshit. Hear me! Dere is no truth but de one truth, an' that is de truth of Jah Rastafari." -- Bob Marley, 1978. ============================================================================== Copyright, Harmon F. Seaver, 1995. License to distribute this post is available to Microsoft for US$1,000 per instance, or local equivalent. ============================================================================== From news@columbia.edu Sun Feb 25 14:45:59 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA28226 for ; Sun, 25 Feb 1996 14:45:57 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id OAA10003 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 25 Feb 1996 14:45:55 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!uwm.edu!alpha1.csd.uwm.edu!not-for-mail From: hseaver@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (Harmon F Seaver) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Multiple Tabs in Macros??? Date: 25 Feb 1996 16:37:59 GMT Organization: University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee Lines: 24 Message-ID: <4gq397$g1e@uwm.edu> References: <4glesa$lqq@uwm.edu> <4gnanl$gqa@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.169.1 X-Newsreader: TIN [UNIX 1.3 950824BETA PL0] Frank da Cruz (fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: : Or were you actually talking about the maximum length for a key definition? : Again, there is some limit, depending on the specific Kermit version, but : you can use tricks similar to the above to get around it. : Ahhh, sorry, I *was* talking about key definitions, not macros. My supervisor gave me this assignment to "create keyboard macros" and keeps refering to it as that, and since I have rtfm (at least some of ti) I do know the difference, but --- anyway, thanks, I'll try your suggestion. Or maybe try a real macro to do 20 and 28 tabs. 8-) -- Harmon Seaver hseaver@csd.uwm.edu "Facts an' facts, an' t'ings an' t'ings: dem's all a lotta fockin' bullshit. Hear me! Dere is no truth but de one truth, an' that is de truth of Jah Rastafari." -- Bob Marley, 1978. ============================================================================== Copyright, Harmon F. Seaver, 1995. License to distribute this post is available to Microsoft for US$1,000 per instance, or local equivalent. ============================================================================== From news@columbia.edu Sun Feb 25 17:25:59 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA13425 for ; Sun, 25 Feb 1996 17:25:58 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id RAA13398 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 25 Feb 1996 17:25:57 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!hamblin.math.byu.edu!park.uvsc.edu!news.cc.utah.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MSKERMIT 3.14 and COMMAND.COM Message-ID: <1996Feb25.081711.74972@cc.usu.edu> Date: 25 Feb 96 08:17:11 MDT References: <4gpdd3$b7q@oravannahka.Helsinki.FI> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 33 In article <4gpdd3$b7q@oravannahka.Helsinki.FI>, tlinden@cc.Helsinki.FI (Tomas Linden) writes: > Sometimes I get the following error message from MSKERMIT 3.14: > ?Unable to execute command interpreter C:\COMMAND.COM > This I get in the middle of CONNECT mode and also when trying to execute > DOS 5.0 commands from within Kermit itself. I removed my SHELL command > from my CONFIG.SYS and this seemed to fix the problem, but I'm not yet > sure. I have COMMAND.COM in my root directory and also a copy of it in > C:\DOS because some other programs were complaining when I only had it > in the root. What is the real cause of this error message? ======= Your DOS Environment should have a line reading COMSPEC=C:\COMMAND.COM or whereever command.com is located. It is created automatically by DOS via the line SHELL=C:\COMMAND.COM /other-switches-go-here in config.sys. You can change COMSPEC= later after DOS finishes booting. Kermit and other programs look for COMSPEC=. There is a futher use of keyword SHELL= which is it may appear in the DOS Environment and tell Kermit (and prehaps other programs) to use the right side as the name of the program to invoke rather than COMMAND.COM. Normally one does not have a SHELL= in the DOS Environment. Loss of command.com can occur if more memory is needed than is available without overwriting the transient portion of command.com. DOS will recognize loss of the transient portion and replace it from the disk image of command.com. If DOS is misdirected then it can't find that disk image and we get the message you noted. If you provide no expanded memory and yet you ask for lots of Connect mode screen rollback buffers then the 640K memory area may be consumed entirely, including the transient portion of command.com. The solutions to this are to either create expanded memory with your memory managers (don't say NOEMS if using DOS' manager), or reduce the number of rollback buffers (DOS Environment, line KERMIT=roll smaller-value). Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sun Feb 25 17:26:03 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA13443 for ; Sun, 25 Feb 1996 17:26:02 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id RAA13402 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 25 Feb 1996 17:26:01 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!hamblin.math.byu.edu!park.uvsc.edu!news.cc.utah.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: . logon script ? Message-ID: <1996Feb25.083007.74973@cc.usu.edu> Date: 25 Feb 96 08:30:06 MDT References: <4gpas3$dah@ns2.ryerson.ca> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 50 In article <4gpas3$dah@ns2.ryerson.ca>, aaab@acs.ryerson.ca (Al Aab - CNED/W94) writes: > how to logon using a script ? Which Kermit and version number, please? I will presume you are using the current release, v3.14, of MS-DOS Kermit. > specifically, 3 infos are asked for by the service provider : > 1- name of particular hostcomputer > 2- login name of the user > 3- password > > if a keyboard macro (using a shareware similar to prokey ) > is used > there is a problem ( not just at login time, throughout all the session ) > the following characters may or may not be recognized ( even if a 2 > second pause is programmed, using that prokey clone. even if using one > such pause before the nagging character + another 2second pause after the > nagging character) > > the nagging characters, that may or may not get transmitted to the host > include : > > enter > linefeed > tab --------- But these do work fine. Enter key is sending Carriage Return, \13 in Kermit numerical form, line feed is \10, and Tab is \9. Without an example to guide us it is difficult to know why you are having a problem here. Further information is needed. > --- > > another problem : > > while defining an emacs macro, using the emacs macro editor, > some characters seem to crash kermit: > control F2 ... > alt F2 ... That's not Kermit's fault, I assure you. Neither key combination above has a default definition in MS-DOS Kermit. Perhaps you defined them as something your modem or remote host reacts to badly. But crashing the program is an entirely different matter. Those keys do work ok in MSK. Please be careful to distinguish between crashing the PC Kermit (you end up at the DOS prompt or have to reboot immediately) and troubles on the remote host where that machine may not respond (you can still press ALT-x at the local keyboard and regain the Kermit prompt). Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Mon Feb 26 10:01:59 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA19344 for ; Mon, 26 Feb 1996 10:01:58 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA22710 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 26 Feb 1996 10:01:56 -0500 (EST) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!news.emf.net!overload.lbl.gov!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!wpfulmor From: wpfulmor@netcom.com (william p fulmor) Subject: Re: Multiple Tabs in Macros??? Message-ID: Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) References: <4glesa$lqq@uwm.edu> <4gnanl$gqa@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 05:53:57 GMT Lines: 29 Sender: wpfulmor@netcom10.netcom.com fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: >In article <4glesa$lqq@uwm.edu>, >Harmon F Seaver wrote: >: Is there some sort of line length limit for macros in Kermit? >: >There is, in general, no limit on the length of a macro definition, but >there *is* a limit on the length of a command: the DEFINE command that >defines the macro can only be so long. The maximum length depends on the >exact version of Kermit you are talking about, and is probably somewhere >between 256 bytes and 4096 bytes. >If you need to define a macro that is longer than the command buffer, >define several macros, and then a "super macro" that executes them in >sequence. Example: > define part1 blah, blah, blah, ... > define part1 blah, blah, blah, ... > ... > define partn blah, blah, blah, ... > define bigmacro part1, part2, part3, ..., partn [...] >- Frank Ah, so. Is there a similar restriction/work around on the length of variables? Bill From news@columbia.edu Mon Feb 26 10:53:18 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA25982 for ; Mon, 26 Feb 1996 10:53:18 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA23956 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 26 Feb 1996 10:53:15 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!newsxfer2.itd.umich.edu!agate!dog.ee.lbl.gov!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: (no subject) Compression Message-ID: <1996Feb24.154611.74932@cc.usu.edu> Date: 24 Feb 96 15:46:11 MDT References: <4gf8o1$qdp@grimsel.zurich.ibm.com> <4gn4dc$9mt@krel.iea.com> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 54 In article <4gn4dc$9mt@krel.iea.com>, andersr@comtch.iea.com (Rod Anderson) writes: > Frank da Cruz (fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: > > > > : Protocol", which contains the Kermit protocol specification. Briefly: it > : is a character-oriented form of run-length encoding, and yes, the protocol > : negotiates whether it is to be used, and so it is a matter of the user > : interface providing a function to let the user enable it and disable it. > : However, there is rarely a reason to disable it -- it is quite efficient, > : very cheap in CPU cycles and memory, and in general has no downside at > : all. > > And not to argue with `the' expert but to re-enforce his point: I can > say it is VERY efficient! Normally I down/up load binary (compressed) > files. The other day I down loaded a text file. I have compression on > my Sportster 14.4 disabled (for testing) and still went from a 1500+ > char/sec. to a 2300+ char/sec. So what this means to me is; when > compression was needed it is used and when not it isn't. No worries if you > can't compress or uncompress you files at either end. Kermit will get > you the best possible transfer rate. > I haven't tried to turn off Kermit compression and turn on modem > (hardware) compression to see if I get better transfer rates. With > residential phone lines this seems good enough for me. > > Now back to hte real source. > > : - Frank > > Rod ---------- I think I gather the intent here, which is to squeeze the last bit per second by not attempting to compress already compressed material. Exactly the same situtation arises with modern tape drives which have compression done on silicon. The drives don't back away after discovering the stream has compressed material at this instant, though they could if the designers wanted to. Apparently modem designers feel the same way: it's more trouble than its worth to back away. It needs to be said that modern LZ style compression is more efficient than run length encoding because the dictionary is larger than one character. We considered LZ class compression for Kermit and decided that a) it's a memory hog with even moderately decent 12 bit code words and b) the legal status of the algorithms is far from clear. Someone with an interest in the topic may want to generate a Master's Thesis on compressing to a restricted alphabet, only ASCII printables, rather than to long binary patterns. That said I should also add the comment that we all know the transfer rate over the Internet is in continual decline. I tell folks it is inversely proportional to the number of people discovering the Internet (or to the value of money, whichever is declining faster). Pretty soon FedEx can make a fortune delivering packets rather than packages; they have more bandwidth with a box of tapes or CD-ROMs and the delay time isn't that much different at peak hours. Sigh. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Mon Feb 26 10:55:03 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA26165 for ; Mon, 26 Feb 1996 10:55:02 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA23995 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 26 Feb 1996 10:55:00 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Multiple Tabs in Macros??? Date: 26 Feb 1996 15:54:55 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 24 Message-ID: <4gsl4f$ndo@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4glesa$lqq@uwm.edu> <4gnanl$gqa@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , william p fulmor wrote: : fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: : >There is, in general, no limit on the length of a macro definition, but : >there *is* a limit on the length of a command: ... : > : Is there a similar restriction/work around on the length of variables? : You mean, on the length of the definition of a variable? Yes, exactly the same limit and exactly the same workaround. Of course that does not mean that the length of the definition is unlimited. There is always a limit -- physical memory, virtual memory, etc. If you mean on the length of the *name* of a variable, yes, there is a limit. Here we are speaking of the variable-length-named variables, also known as macros (which can be used as variables), e.g. define variablewithverylonglong value echo \m(variablewithverylonglong) The limit is implementation and version dependent, usually somewhere between 10 and 128. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Feb 26 11:51:47 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA03161 for ; Mon, 26 Feb 1996 11:51:46 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA26097 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 26 Feb 1996 11:51:43 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!tribune.meitca.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!news.cais.net!news.jsums.edu!gatech!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!nntp.coast.net!torn!news.ryerson.ca!hopper.acs.ryerson.ca!aaab From: aaab@acs.ryerson.ca (Al Aab - CNED/W94) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: . logon script ? Date: 26 Feb 1996 10:26:08 GMT Organization: Ryerson Polytechnic University Lines: 3 Message-ID: <4gs1s0$c99@ns2.ryerson.ca> References: <4gpas3$dah@ns2.ryerson.ca> <1996Feb25.083007.74973@cc.usu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: hopper.acs.ryerson.ca X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] suppose it is ms-kermit 3.14 From news@columbia.edu Tue Feb 27 01:43:35 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA29510 for ; Tue, 27 Feb 1996 01:43:35 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id BAA17714 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 27 Feb 1996 01:43:31 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!csugrad.cs.vt.edu!csugrad.cs.vt.edu!not-for-mail From: haggerty@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (Pete-O-Rama) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-Kermit, UNIX and term variables Date: 26 Feb 1996 11:54:01 -0500 Organization: Virginia Tech Computer Science Dept, Blacksburg, VA Lines: 23 Message-ID: <4gsoj9$moc@csugrad.cs.vt.edu> References: <4gla4o$rp6@csugrad.cs.vt.edu> <4glibl$5ss@csugrad.cs.vt.edu> <4gna22$ggh@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Frank da Cruz (fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: : In any case, you might find you have an easier time writing your program : entirely as a Kermit script, rather than trying to mix expect and Kermit. : That's what the Kermit script language is for. I would probably be writing it in Kermit script if I had known about it before I started it in expect and got it working perfectly except for this cron problem. It runs just fine, right up until expect spawns the kermit process and Kermit apparently then terminates, killing the expect script along with it. The csh script wrapped around the expect script keeps running but I just don't understand why Kermit fails. I have set every term and environment variable I can see (set and setenv) and Kermit still seems to need something else simulated. What does Kermit "look" for when it starts up? Is there some other way to fool Kermit into thinking it is being run from a command line in an active shell instead of being run from cron? (with a shell and expect script wrapped around it) Thanks, Peter From news@columbia.edu Tue Feb 27 08:12:44 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA06316 for ; Tue, 27 Feb 1996 08:12:43 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id IAA09309 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 27 Feb 1996 08:12:38 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!dog.ee.lbl.gov!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Multiple Tabs in Macros??? Message-ID: <1996Feb24.200618.74952@cc.usu.edu> Date: 24 Feb 96 20:06:18 MDT References: <4glesa$lqq@uwm.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 20 In article <4glesa$lqq@uwm.edu>, hseaver@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (Harmon F Seaver) writes: > Is there some sort of line length limit for macros in Kermit? I'm trying > to put multiple tabs on a key, I've got 10 and 15 tabs, but 20 gets an > "exceeded the buffer" message. Is there a better way to do this? ------------ In MS-DOS Kermit (you didn't say which Kermit etc) I just did this: SET KEY pressed a key to be defined entered definition of \8\8\8\8\8\8\8\... (25 such)FOO then while in Connect mode I pressed that key and everything came out just fine. I repeated the experiment but for the definition I kept pressing the TAB key. Well TAB key presses at the Kermit command level (where SET KEY runs) are converted to single spaces, so I got a bunch of spaces instead. With MSK you can press until you get tired or until the 1KB definition buffer fills. Thus I don't understand the difficutly unless you give us a few more hints to go on. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Tue Feb 27 10:25:47 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA20324 for ; Tue, 27 Feb 1996 10:25:45 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA16748 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 27 Feb 1996 10:25:42 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-Kermit, UNIX and term variables Date: 27 Feb 1996 15:25:23 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 47 Message-ID: <4gv7p3$gah@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4gla4o$rp6@csugrad.cs.vt.edu> <4glibl$5ss@csugrad.cs.vt.edu> <4gna22$ggh@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <4gsoj9$moc@csugrad.cs.vt.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4gsoj9$moc@csugrad.cs.vt.edu>, Pete-O-Rama wrote: : Frank da Cruz (fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: : : In any case, you might find you have an easier time writing your program : : entirely as a Kermit script, rather than trying to mix expect and Kermit. : : That's what the Kermit script language is for. : : I would probably be writing it in Kermit script if I had known about it : before I started it in expect and got it working perfectly except for this : cron problem. It runs just fine, right up until expect spawns the kermit : process and Kermit apparently then terminates, killing the expect script : along with it. The csh script wrapped around the expect script keeps running : but I just don't understand why Kermit fails. I have set every term and : environment variable I can see (set and setenv) and Kermit still seems to : need something else simulated. : : What does Kermit "look" for when it starts up? Is there some other way to : fool Kermit into thinking it is being run from a command line in an active : shell instead of being run from cron? (with a shell and expect script wrapped : around it) : I run C-Kermit from cron jobs all the time, but without expect in the middle. Kermit can read its commands from the keyboard, from a command file, from command-line options, or from redirected stdin. The order in which the various possible command input sources are processed is spelled out on page 323 of "Using C-Kermit". I have not tried controlling C-Kermit in interactive mode from an "expect" script and so cannot verify that it works, and it was not explicitly designed with this form of control in mind. Rather than fight with getting this to work, I think it would be faster to simply convert the expect script to a C-Kermit command file using a series of: INPUT IF FAIL OUTPUT which (I believe, not being an "expect" expert) are equivalent to "expect-send" sequences, but more flexible, since you can specify a different timeout on each "expect" (INPUT), as well as a separate error handler for each one. For that matter, you can even use C-Kermit SCRIPT command, which allows you to give an "expect"-style series of expect-send sequences (but in slightly different syntax). - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Feb 27 21:39:24 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA08029 for ; Tue, 27 Feb 1996 21:39:23 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id VAA03253 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 27 Feb 1996 21:39:17 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!imci5!imci4!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netnews From: <> Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Need timeout facility for connected kermit session Date: 27 Feb 1996 14:39:23 GMT Organization: Netcom Lines: 23 Message-ID: <4gv52r$qlm@reader2.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ix-wp1-21.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Tue Feb 27 6:39:24 AM PST 1996 Our users don't always end their kermit sessions before leaving. They forget, or a long transfer is still being performed. If its friday, we can have a long distance connection all weekend. The ckermit script input command has a timeout value so that something else can happen if the expected string is not received from a remote site. Is their a way to set an inactivity timeout so that we can drop the line after a transfer has finished or if an interactive session has no keyboard/terminal activity for a while. Thank you Sol Gongola ADL Data Systems 110 corporate park drive White plains, NY 10604 phone: 914 696 1800 fax: 914 696 1819 email: sol@mail.adldata.com From news@columbia.edu Wed Feb 28 07:03:08 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA21969 for ; Wed, 28 Feb 1996 07:03:03 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id HAA20538 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 28 Feb 1996 07:02:57 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!news.new-york.net!news.iag.net!news.math.psu.edu!chi-news.cic.net!news.bright.net!news From: CyberToad Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Answer Failure K95 Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 00:31:33 -0500 Organization: BrightNet Ohio Lines: 9 Message-ID: <3133E8B5.68EC@bright.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: defi1-cs-15.dial.bright.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Win95; I) I'm running Kermit 95 1.1.3 and I'm unable to get it to answer. I've tried using the SET MODEM CARRIER OFF. It does appear to try and answer, but I get the "NO CARRIER" error instead of any handshaking. I am able to dial out and connect without any problems. -------------------------------- CyberToad (Todd Hensley) hensley@bright.net http://www.bright.net/~hensley/ From news@columbia.edu Wed Feb 28 09:19:50 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA13590 for ; Wed, 28 Feb 1996 09:19:49 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id JAA06339 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 28 Feb 1996 09:19:46 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!not-for-mail From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Need timeout facility for connected kermit session Date: 28 Feb 1996 09:19:31 -0500 Organization: Columbia University Lines: 26 Message-ID: <4h1o9j$d75@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4gv52r$qlm@reader2.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4gv52r$qlm@reader2.ix.netcom.com>, <> wrote: : Our users don't always end their kermit sessions : before leaving. They forget, or a long transfer is : still being performed. If its friday, we can have a long : distance connection all weekend. : : The ckermit script input command has a timeout value : so that something else can happen if the expected string : is not received from a remote site. : : Is their a way to set an inactivity timeout so that we : can drop the line after a transfer has finished or if an : interactive session has no keyboard/terminal activity for : a while. : Presently there is no way to do this in a client that is being used interactively. If it's running under script control, of course, it can be programmed to do anything you want. However, note that in these days of overloaded online services, most places your users would dial into probably have their own idle timeouts, and probably several levels of them (terminal server, host computer, host application). - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Feb 28 09:27:56 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA14445 for ; Wed, 28 Feb 1996 09:27:56 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id JAA06706 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 28 Feb 1996 09:27:54 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Answer Failure K95 Date: 28 Feb 1996 14:27:38 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 20 Message-ID: <4h1ooq$6hd@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3133E8B5.68EC@bright.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3133E8B5.68EC@bright.net>, CyberToad wrote: : I'm running Kermit 95 1.1.3 and I'm unable to get it to answer. I've : tried using the SET MODEM CARRIER OFF. It does appear to try and : answer, but I get the "NO CARRIER" error instead of any handshaking. : Leave SET MODEM CARRIER ON and use the ANSWER command: SET MODEM TYPE whatever ; Type of modem you have SET MODEM CARRIER ON ; This is the default SET PORT COM1 ; Or whatever other port you are using SET SPEED whatever ; Speed you want to answer at ANSWER ; Wait for a call to come in If you have any problems with this, also SET DIAL DISPLAY ON to watch the dialog between Kermit 95 and the modem, and then get back to us with specifics about your modem and the dialog via email to: kermit-support@columbia.edu - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Feb 28 12:16:22 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA04769 for ; Wed, 28 Feb 1996 12:16:22 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id MAA10706 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 28 Feb 1996 12:16:19 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!chi-news.cic.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!lerc.nasa.gov!purdue!haven.umd.edu!news.ums.edu!nova.umuc.edu!not-for-mail From: hroyden@nova.umuc.edu (Halsey Royden) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MS-DOS Kermit 3.13--Help needed Date: 27 Feb 1996 22:58:19 -0500 Organization: University of Maryland University College Lines: 11 Message-ID: <4h0jsr$nk4@nova.umuc.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: nova.umuc.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] I have a copy of MS-DOS Kermit 3.13 and would like to execute from within QMODEM. I would like to bring up Kermit in either send or receive mode, but I don't know what the proper command line format/parameters are to ensure that Kermit initializes at the proper modem speed, etc. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Halsey Royden Univ. of MD/Univ. College hroyden@nova.umuc.edu From news@columbia.edu Thu Feb 29 00:19:55 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA22717 for ; Thu, 29 Feb 1996 00:19:54 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id AAA28285 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 29 Feb 1996 00:19:47 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!qiclab.scn.rain.com!cronkite.nersc.gov!osi-east2.es.net!lll-winken.llnl.gov!uwm.edu!msunews!netnews.upenn.edu!Lehigh.EDU!Lehigh.EDU!not-for-mail From: jmt7@Lehigh.EDU Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: upcoming release Date: 28 Feb 1996 10:11:51 -0500 Lines: 23 Message-ID: <4h1rbn$37u0@ns2-1.CC.Lehigh.EDU> NNTP-Posting-Host: ns2-1.cc.lehigh.edu Hi, A few quick questions regarding the upcoming March/April release of K95... - Is IBM 3270 emulation slated for this release? - How about built-in FTP to the Telnet client? - Is it the groups intention to continue to support the console-only capability (without the GUI or Dialer) once the GUIs gains popularity or was this solely intended as a temporary measure to help users migrate over more easily? Thanks! --------------------------------------------------------------------- John M. Troiano phone: (610)758-5060 Lehigh University Computing Center fax: (610)974-6436 Bethlehem, PA internet: jmt7@lehigh.edu From news@columbia.edu Thu Feb 29 08:17:37 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA09321 for ; Thu, 29 Feb 1996 08:17:36 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id IAA18473 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 29 Feb 1996 08:17:34 -0500 (EST) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!kientzle From: kientzle@netcom.com Subject: Re: (no subject) Compression Message-ID: Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) References: <4gf8o1$qdp@grimsel.zurich.ibm.com> <4gn4dc$9mt@krel.iea.com> <1996Feb24.154611.74932@cc.usu.edu> Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 20:33:51 GMT Lines: 24 Sender: kientzle@netcom12.netcom.com How about this for a ``thesis'' : Compressing directly to a restricted alphabet is equivalent (in both time and space requirements) to compressing to a binary stream and then radix-encoding that binary stream into the desired alphabet. FWIW, radix-encoding to an arbitrary radix is `easily' implemented using the arithmetic coding decompression algorithm (just initialize the weights correctly). Assuming the above, it seems reasonable to not worry about compressing directly to a restricted alphabet and just combine stock algorithms to get the same effect. - Tim Kientzle, PhD In article <1996Feb24.154611.74932@cc.usu.edu>, Joe Doupnik wrote: >Someone with an interest in >the topic may want to generate a Master's Thesis on compressing to a >restricted alphabet, only ASCII printables, rather than to long binary >patterns. From news@columbia.edu Thu Feb 29 10:17:56 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA22510 for ; Thu, 29 Feb 1996 10:17:55 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA28350 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 29 Feb 1996 10:17:52 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: upcoming release Date: 29 Feb 1996 15:17:37 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 34 Message-ID: <4h4g2h$rlo@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4h1rbn$37u0@ns2-1.CC.Lehigh.EDU> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4h1rbn$37u0@ns2-1.CC.Lehigh.EDU>, wrote: : A few quick questions regarding the upcoming March/April release of K95... : : - Is IBM 3270 emulation slated for this release? : No. : - How about built-in FTP to the Telnet client? : No. : - Is it the groups intention to continue to support the console-only : capability (without the GUI or Dialer) once the GUIs gains popularity : or was this solely intended as a temporary measure to help users migrate : over more easily? : Our intention is to continue to support a console-only version, but that's not a firm commitment. As you might infer, supporting anything at all to do with console applications in Windows 95 is not easy, nor is mixing and matching the GUI and console environments. But unless we run into insuperable obstacles, we plan to do it. Just out of curiousity, what is your interest in preservation of console mode? In any case, we do not plan to add any major functionality in the first GUI release. It will be pretty much the same program you have now, but GUIfied. This in itself is a massive job, and it would not make sense to muddy the waters by also incorporating major new features. It would delay the release considerably and it would complicate testing and verification. Additional functionality will follow the first GUI release. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Feb 29 11:09:10 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA29010 for ; Thu, 29 Feb 1996 11:09:09 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA29572 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 29 Feb 1996 11:08:58 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!tribune.meitca.com!uunet!in2.uu.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!uwm.edu!alpha1.csd.uwm.edu!not-for-mail From: hseaver@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (Harmon F Seaver) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Another set key problem Date: 28 Feb 1996 22:02:38 GMT Organization: University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee Lines: 14 Message-ID: <4h2jdu$d2s@uwm.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.169.1 X-Newsreader: TIN [UNIX 1.3 950824BETA PL0] Here's another problem I'm having with set key. For Notis, running on an IBM, the backspace key is set to \127. I want it to be an actual destructive backspace. \127 is delete, trying to do \8\127 gets me an error message. What should it be set to? -- Harmon Seaver hseaver@csd.uwm.edu ============================================================================== Copyright, Harmon F. Seaver, 1995. License to distribute this post is available to Microsoft for US$1,000 per instance, or local equivalent. ============================================================================== From news@columbia.edu Thu Feb 29 15:43:03 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA03494 for ; Thu, 29 Feb 1996 15:43:02 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id PAA06101 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 29 Feb 1996 15:42:59 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!newsfeed.internetmci.com!uwm.edu!alpha1.csd.uwm.edu!not-for-mail From: hseaver@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (Harmon F Seaver) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Multiple Tabs in Macros??? Date: 28 Feb 1996 21:41:41 GMT Organization: University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee Lines: 25 Message-ID: <4h2i6l$d2s@uwm.edu> References: <4glesa$lqq@uwm.edu> <1996Feb24.200618.74952@cc.usu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.169.1 X-Newsreader: TIN [UNIX 1.3 950824BETA PL0] Joe Doupnik (jrd@cc.usu.edu) wrote: : With MSK you can press until you get tired or until the 1KB : definition buffer fills. : Thus I don't understand the difficutly unless you give us a few : more hints to go on. : Joe D. : Okay, here's what I'm using: (The sysadmin has this in the vt300.ini -- "set key \271 \27\27OC ;Set tab key for Notis System" so my set key is thus: set key \1376 \27\27OC\27\27OC\27\27OC\27\27OC This give the user 4 tabs when they hit the ^F3, and works fine. Some users want it to do 15 tabs and then a string, others want 20 tabs. Those don't work (15tabs is alright, but adding the string on the end doesn't), and give me the "exceeded buffer" message. -- Harmon Seaver hseaver@csd.uwm.edu hoka hey! ============================================================================== Copyright, Harmon F. Seaver, 1995. License to distribute this post is available to Microsoft for US$1,000 per instance, or local equivalent. ============================================================================== From news@columbia.edu Thu Feb 29 15:43:04 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA03498 for ; Thu, 29 Feb 1996 15:43:03 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id PAA06103 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 29 Feb 1996 15:42:59 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!newsfeed.internetmci.com!uwm.edu!alpha1.csd.uwm.edu!not-for-mail From: hseaver@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (Harmon F Seaver) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Multiple Tabs in Macros??? Date: 28 Feb 1996 21:55:40 GMT Organization: University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee Lines: 24 Message-ID: <4h2j0s$d2s@uwm.edu> References: <4glesa$lqq@uwm.edu> <1996Feb24.200618.74952@cc.usu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.169.1 X-Newsreader: TIN [UNIX 1.3 950824BETA PL0] Joe Doupnik (jrd@cc.usu.edu) wrote: : With MSK you can press until you get tired or until the 1KB : definition buffer fills. : Thus I don't understand the difficutly unless you give us a few : more hints to go on. This is MS-DOS Kermit, BTW. And 3.14 at this point. 8-) Anyway, I was just trying to put that long line of tabs in a macro, which didn't work either -- now I don't get the error message about "Text exceeded available buffer capacity" when I start Kermit as I did before, but when I use that key, I get the message and it breaks the connection also. -- Harmon Seaver hseaver@csd.uwm.edu "Facts an' facts, an' t'ings an' t'ings: dem's all a lotta fockin' bullshit. Hear me! Dere is no truth but de one truth, an' that is de truth of Jah Rastafari." -- Bob Marley, 1978. ============================================================================== Copyright, Harmon F. Seaver, 1995. License to distribute this post is available to Microsoft for US$1,000 per instance, or local equivalent. ============================================================================== From news@columbia.edu Thu Feb 29 22:25:43 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA13285 for ; Thu, 29 Feb 1996 22:25:43 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id WAA15454 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 29 Feb 1996 22:25:41 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.cloud9.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.interport.net!imci2!news.internetMCI.com!news-admin From: 0002016821@mcimail.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Looking for most current DOS version of Kermit Date: 29 Feb 1996 18:06:19 GMT Organization: InternetMCI Lines: 10 Message-ID: <4h4pur$b71@news.internetmci.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: dialup47.washington.mci.net I am looking for the most current version for dos of kermit. I am currently using 2.32 (I think ???). There seems to be a problem when I try to send an ascii file from my pc to an HP-48 GX calculator. I am not sure if this is a problem at the pc or the HP-48. Any help or advice would be appreciated. tia Kevin J Murphy email:0002016821@mcimail.com From news@columbia.edu Fri Mar 1 06:39:45 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA09798 for ; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 06:39:44 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id GAA29730 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 06:39:40 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.cloud9.net!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!dog.ee.lbl.gov!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: (no subject) Compression Message-ID: <1996Feb28.174529.75320@cc.usu.edu> Date: 28 Feb 96 17:45:29 MDT References: <4gf8o1$qdp@grimsel.zurich.ibm.com> <4gn4dc$9mt@krel.iea.com> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 33 In article , kientzle@netcom.com writes: > How about this for a ``thesis'' : > > Compressing directly to a restricted alphabet is equivalent (in both > time and space requirements) to compressing to a binary stream and > then radix-encoding that binary stream into the desired alphabet. > > FWIW, radix-encoding to an arbitrary radix is `easily' implemented > using the arithmetic coding decompression algorithm (just initialize > the weights correctly). > > Assuming the above, it seems reasonable to not worry about compressing > directly to a restricted alphabet and just combine stock algorithms to > get the same effect. > > - Tim Kientzle, PhD > > In article <1996Feb24.154611.74932@cc.usu.edu>, > Joe Doupnik wrote: >>Someone with an interest in >>the topic may want to generate a Master's Thesis on compressing to a >>restricted alphabet, only ASCII printables, rather than to long binary >>patterns. ---------- Reads smoothly Tim so here's you gov't grant. But it's not quite that simple in reality. Some binary symbols encode to double or triple bytes on the wire, and we'd like to avoid that. The radix involved is really the printable ASCII characters, 32-126 decimal, to avoid those prefix bytes, and that 94 dec range does not map nicely to groups of binary bits. Any more thoughts for the automatic grant renewal? Thanks (for being a good sport too) Joe D. (also one of these PhD creatures) From news@columbia.edu Fri Mar 1 10:31:22 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA23192 for ; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 10:31:21 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA18821 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 10:31:16 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!imci5!imci4!newsfeed.internetmci.com!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!news-e2a.gnn.com!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: billykx@aol.com (BillyKX) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Ms-Dos Kerm to Vax - PC monitor to 40 cols? Date: 29 Feb 1996 21:59:07 -0500 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 10 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <4h5p5r$874@newsbf02.news.aol.com> Reply-To: billykx@aol.com (BillyKX) NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com Hello Kermit dudes & dudettes, I'm connected from Dos Kermit 3.14 to a Vax/Vms sys. Everything is fine until I want to run a "take" script - the script runs but the monitor goes to 40 columns (maybe less) and stays that way after exiting Kermit. If I issue the same cmds manually there isn't a problem. It's something about getting *out* of VT320 emulation (when the take runs)??? Also, the screen can't be reset with the Dos "mode" cmd, has to be rebooted. Thanks! Bill Klingner IL From news@columbia.edu Fri Mar 1 10:51:04 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA25443 for ; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 10:51:03 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA19225 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 10:50:59 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.eecs.umich.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!news.join.ad.jp!news.imnet.ad.jp!usenet.seri.re.kr!news.cais.net!news.jsums.edu!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!uwm.edu!msunews!netnews.upenn.edu!mail1.sas.upenn.edu!pnealen From: pnealen@mail1.sas.upenn.edu (Paul M. Nealen) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: command for local printing????? Date: 29 Feb 1996 16:26:51 GMT Organization: University of Pennsylvania, Philadelphia, PA Lines: 12 Message-ID: <4h4k4b$3ms@netnews.upenn.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: mail1.sas.upenn.edu I am using Kermit as the front-end on a dial-in system to a university mainframe. Is there a command I can type that will divert file printing to my local printer rather than to the university computer center? Thanks - Paul -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Paul M. Nealen tel: (215) 898-6559 From news@columbia.edu Fri Mar 1 10:55:59 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA25894 for ; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 10:55:58 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA19357 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 10:55:54 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!imci5!pull-feed.internetmci.com!news.internetMCI.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!uwm.edu!msunews!netnews.upenn.edu!Lehigh.EDU!Lehigh.EDU!not-for-mail From: jmt7@Lehigh.EDU Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: upcoming release Date: 1 Mar 1996 08:39:09 -0500 Lines: 40 Message-ID: <4h6ult$1b0p@ns4-1.CC.Lehigh.EDU> NNTP-Posting-Host: ns4-1.cc.lehigh.edu In article <4h4g2h$rlo@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Fr ank da Cruz) writes: stuff deleted... >Just out of curiousity, what is your interest in preservation of console >mode? > For several years we have used Kermit very successfully in conjunction with front-ends that we (and most recently, myself) have written in-house which build the appropriate Kermit scripts. Thus, we can provide a user interface which is specifically oriented to our campus' needs - no more and no less. [ Yes, I feel that Kermit all by itself is very easy to use, but tell that to our users! ;) ] Anyway, it is of interest to me if we are going to lose this option of running Kermit in this manner (from other software). - John --------------------------------------------------------------------- John M. Troiano phone: (610)758-5060 Lehigh University Computing Center fax: (610)974-6436 From news@columbia.edu Fri Mar 1 13:21:34 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA13795 for ; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 13:21:28 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id NAA22768 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 13:21:26 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!chi-news.cic.net!hookup!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!nntp.coast.net!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!ns.saard.net!news.camtech.com.au!news.dircsa.org.au!news.dircsa.org.au!not-for-mail From: arthur@gateway.dircsa.org.au (Arthur Marsh) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Another set key problem Date: 2 Mar 1996 02:27:52 +1030 Organization: DIRC - Disability Information & Resource Centre - Sth Australia Lines: 19 Message-ID: <4h76q0$798@gateway.dircsa.org.au> References: <4h2jdu$d2s@uwm.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: gateway.dircsa.org.au X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Harmon F Seaver (hseaver@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu) wrote: : Here's another problem I'm having with set key. For Notis, running on an : IBM, the backspace key is set to \127. I want it to be an actual destructive : backspace. \127 is delete, trying to do \8\127 gets me an error message. : What should it be set to? I did a show key on MS-Kermit 3.14 hit enter then the key marked <- at the top right hand side of the main keyboard cluster. This showed me that the key has a scancode of 270. I then did a set key and MS-Kermit told me how to redefine a key and after verifying that it was right, added it to the end of my mscustom.ini: set key \270 \8 ; (End of MSCUSTOM.INI) -- Arthur Marsh, telephone +61-8-370-2365, fax +61-8-223-5082 arthur@dircsa.org.au .endofsig From news@columbia.edu Fri Mar 1 21:04:53 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA28939 for ; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 21:04:52 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id VAA03457 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 21:04:49 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!cmcl2!yale.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!news.jsums.edu!news2.cais.net!news.cais.net!wvnvms!wvnvm]cc3 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MS-Kermit V3.14 Quirk? Message-ID: <313674BF.405B@swvcc.wvnet.edu> From: Allen Farley Date: Thu, 29 Feb 1996 19:54:43 -0500 Organization: Southern WV Community & Technical College Nntp-Posting-Host: 129.71.41.9 X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: cc3@swvcc.wvnet.edu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 32 Hi] We bumped into a little quirk using MS-Kermit V3.14 under WFW. Given the right conditions the cursor dances side-to-side on the screen, with no way to get it under control nicely except for attempting to terminate the task via the Task Switcher. Our PCs have the DEC LK250 or LK450 keyboards attached, so we use the MSULK2 driver for them. We are also using 3C509 cards connected to a Xyplex 10Base-T hub, and we are using the packet driver that came with the cards. The KERMIT.PIF file is setup for windowed display. Also we are using PKTMUX since Internet access via WinSock and Kermit need to be able to run simultaneously. BTW this seems to work very well] If we attempt to duplicate the problem using a 101-key keyboard we cannot, but with the LK450, w/driver loaded, it just takes a few fast up-arrows for the cursor to begin its jig. Interesting still is the solution we came up with: modify the .PIF to run full screen. After we did this, we could not duplicate the problem. Any hints or clues as to what in the world is happening? Thanx Allen -- Allen Farley Application Systems Analyst/Programmer Sr. cc3@swvcc.wvnet.edu Southern WV Community & Technical College cc3@sccvax.wvnet.edu Computer Services PO Box 2900; Mount Gay, WV 25637 cc3@wvnscc.bitnet From news@columbia.edu Fri Mar 1 22:58:47 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA07286 for ; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 22:58:47 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id WAA05743 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 22:58:44 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!newsfeed.internetmci.com!chi-news.cic.net!news.math.psu.edu!news.cac.psu.edu!psuvm!hdk Organization: Penn State University Date: Fri, 1 Mar 1996 11:57:34 EST From: "H. D. Knoble" Message-ID: <96061.115734HDK@psuvm.psu.edu> Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-Kermit V3.14 Quirk? References: <313674BF.405B@swvcc.wvnet.edu> Lines: 4 Suggest that you update your WFW display driver(s). Most vendors (e.g., ATI) have Web pages leading you to FTP such drivers. E.g., htt://www.gw2k.com/, ftp://service.boulder.ibm.com/ps/products/os2/drivers/video From news@columbia.edu Fri Mar 1 22:58:48 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA07290 for ; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 22:58:47 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id WAA05745 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 22:58:44 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!news.larc.nasa.gov!night.primate.wisc.edu!newsspool.doit.wisc.edu!uwm.edu!alpha1.csd.uwm.edu!not-for-mail From: hseaver@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (Harmon F Seaver) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Another set key problem Date: 1 Mar 1996 19:36:36 GMT Organization: University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee Lines: 18 Message-ID: <4h7jk4$5ls@uwm.edu> References: <4h2jdu$d2s@uwm.edu> <4h76q0$798@gateway.dircsa.org.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.169.1 X-Newsreader: TIN [UNIX 1.3 950824BETA PL0] Arthur Marsh (arthur@gateway.dircsa.org.au) wrote: : I did a show key on MS-Kermit 3.14 hit enter then the key marked <- at the : top right hand side of the main keyboard cluster. This showed me that the : key has a scancode of 270. Right, except that it's already been reset to \127, and I need a "destructive backspace", not just a backspace. \127 acts as a delete key, and \8 acts as a backspace, but doesn't delete anything. -- Harmon Seaver hseaver@csd.uwm.edu hoka hey! ============================================================================== Copyright, Harmon F. Seaver, 1995. License to distribute this post is available to Microsoft for US$1,000 per instance, or local equivalent. ============================================================================== From news@columbia.edu Fri Mar 1 22:58:48 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA07289 for ; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 22:58:47 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id WAA05741 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 22:58:44 -0500 (EST) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!news.dacom.co.kr!usenet.seri.re.kr!news.cais.net!news.jsums.edu!gatech!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!gerlach From: gerlach@netcom.com (Matthew H. Gerlach) Subject: C-Kermit used for dial back Message-ID: Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) Date: Fri, 1 Mar 1996 17:49:07 GMT Lines: 34 Sender: gerlach@netcom18.netcom.com Hi Folks, I have used C-Kermit for about 4 months as a terminal program and have been loving it. I recently got the book, Using C-Kermit, in order to help with kermit programs. I have a bit of problem that is not really a kermit problem, but a UNIX problem, that I would appreciate some help. Basically I want the Sun at work to call me back at home and bring up a ppp connection. I have script that can call work and bring up the ppp connection, but I am having problems turning it around. What I had planned to was dial from home to work; login, and then enter the following command to the csh: % (sleep 30; kermit -y callmeback >& kerm.log ) & After executing the command, I logout, drop the call, and exit kermit on my home machine. I then wait for the call that never comes. When I dial back to work and look at kerm.log, it says "can't open /dev/cua1". Since I can dial out when I am at work, I know the /dev/cua1 does actually work. I suppose the problem is that when kermit fires up on the machine at work to call me back, the port is still in use from time I just called to fire up the background task. I find this hard to believe because I do logout and drop the call well before the 30 second delay to execute kermit. Any help in solving my problem would be much appreciated. Maybe I need to look at the problem differently and come up with a whole new method. Matthew From news@columbia.edu Sat Mar 2 16:29:21 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA04387 for ; Sat, 2 Mar 1996 16:29:19 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id QAA15263 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 2 Mar 1996 16:29:16 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!dog.ee.lbl.gov!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Another set key problem Message-ID: <1996Feb29.104110.75439@cc.usu.edu> Date: 29 Feb 96 10:41:09 MDT References: <4h2jdu$d2s@uwm.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 11 In article <4h2jdu$d2s@uwm.edu>, hseaver@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (Harmon F Seaver) writes: > Here's another problem I'm having with set key. For Notis, running on an > IBM, the backspace key is set to \127. I want it to be an actual destructive > backspace. \127 is delete, trying to do \8\127 gets me an error message. > What should it be set to? ------------- Whatever the remote host wants it to be. The remote host has to send bytes to your PC to create the impression of a desctructive erase; that's not done locally when you press a key. Please contact your system manager for hints on what Notis wants. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sat Mar 2 18:04:43 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA11561 for ; Sat, 2 Mar 1996 18:04:41 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id SAA17254 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 2 Mar 1996 18:04:38 -0500 (EST) Newsgroups: comp.os.rsts,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!news.emf.net!gatech!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in2.uu.net!news.new-york.net!spcuna!spcvxb!terry From: terry@spcvxa.spc.edu (Terry Kennedy, Operations Mgr.) Subject: Re: Kermit PC/RSTS crash X-Nntp-Posting-Host: spcvxa.spc.edu References: <4h840f$mcv$1@mhafc.production.compuserve.com> Sender: news@spcuna.spc.edu (Network News) X-Nntp-Posting-User: TERRY Organization: St. Peter's College, US Date: Sat, 2 Mar 1996 01:53:01 GMT Message-ID: <1996Mar1.205301.1@spcvxb.spc.edu> Lines: 32 Distribution: inet Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.os.rsts:567 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:4801 In article <4h840f$mcv$1@mhafc.production.compuserve.com>, Kelvin Smith <74654.3313@CompuServe.COM> writes: > I've run into an apparent incompatibility between the most recent > version of MS-DOS Kermit (v3.14) and Kermit-11 X3.60, running under > RSTS v10.1. When I try to send a file from DOS to RSTS, either > using SERVER mode or RECEIVE mode on RSTS, Kermit-11 crashes and > generates a slew of Trap to 4 errors. (Typically, I get 50 Trap > to 4 errors plus around 1900 "Missed Errors" in the system log.) > I can download files from RSTS to DOS with no problems. I haven't > noticed any problems with normal terminal emulation. (I've used > both MS-DOS Kermit full version, patch level 9, and KERMITE, the > medium stripped version, patch level 6; both give the same results.) > > Has anyone else run into this problem? Is there a workaround, or > do I need to go back to an older version of MS-DOS Kermit? (I've > been using v3.10 with no problems.) RSTS/E Kermit is pretty much a dead product. I fooled around with porting C-Kermit to RSTS/E, but C-Kermit kept growing faster than I could keep removing pieces. I found and fixed a number of bugs in K11E many years ago. That's the difference between X3.60 and T3.59. I do know there is a prob- lem with file attributes (as I recall, it's the TYPE one) but that should just cause the file to be rejected, not any T4's. I'm sorry I don't have any better suggestions for you. Followups now include comp.protocols.kermit.misc in case anyone else has any suggestions. Terry Kennedy Operations Manager, Academic Computing terry@spcvxa.spc.edu St. Peter's College, Jersey City, NJ USA +1 201 915 9381 (voice) +1 201 435-3662 (FAX) From news@columbia.edu Sat Mar 2 18:04:43 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA11563 for ; Sat, 2 Mar 1996 18:04:42 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id SAA17252 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 2 Mar 1996 18:04:38 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!news.dacom.co.kr!usenet.seri.re.kr!news.cais.net!news.jsums.edu!gatech!newsxfer2.itd.umich.edu!chi-news.cic.net!news.math.psu.edu!scramble.lm.com!nntp1.jpl.nasa.gov!nntp-server.caltech.edu!altair.krl.caltech.edu!shoppa From: shoppa@altair.krl.caltech.edu (Tim Shoppa) Newsgroups: comp.os.rsts,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit PC/RSTS crash Date: 2 Mar 1996 06:24:08 GMT Organization: Kellogg Radiation Lab, Caltech Lines: 24 Distribution: inet Message-ID: <4h8pi8$iar@gap.cco.caltech.edu> References: <4h840f$mcv$1@mhafc.production.compuserve.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: altair.krl.caltech.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.os.rsts:566 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:4800 In article <4h840f$mcv$1@mhafc.production.compuserve.com>, Kelvin Smith <74654.3313@CompuServe.COM> wrote: >I've run into an apparent incompatibility between the most recent >version of MS-DOS Kermit (v3.14) and Kermit-11 X3.60, running under >RSTS v10.1. When I try to send a file from DOS to RSTS, either >using SERVER mode or RECEIVE mode on RSTS, Kermit-11 crashes and >generates a slew of Trap to 4 errors. (Typically, I get 50 Trap >to 4 errors plus around 1900 "Missed Errors" in the system log.) >I can download files from RSTS to DOS with no problems. I haven't >noticed any problems with normal terminal emulation. (I've used >both MS-DOS Kermit full version, patch level 9, and KERMITE, the >medium stripped version, patch level 6; both give the same results.) > >Has anyone else run into this problem? Is there a workaround, or >do I need to go back to an older version of MS-DOS Kermit? (I've >been using v3.10 with no problems.) Is it possible that the serial port hardware on the -11 has changed since when you were using v3.10? It sounds to me like you're simply sending data to the RSTS system too fast. What sort of serial ports are you using on the -11? What is the baud rate? Have you tried going to a lower speed? Tim. (shoppa@altair.krl.caltech.edu) From news@columbia.edu Sun Mar 3 14:10:21 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA15375 for ; Sun, 3 Mar 1996 14:10:20 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id OAA29767 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 3 Mar 1996 14:10:17 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.denver.eti.net!imci5!imci4!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Looking for most current DOS version of Kermit Message-ID: <1996Feb29.210146.75547@cc.usu.edu> Date: 29 Feb 96 21:01:46 MDT References: <4h4pur$b71@news.internetmci.com> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 16 In article <4h4pur$b71@news.internetmci.com>, 0002016821@mcimail.com writes: > I am looking for the most current version for dos of kermit. > I am currently using 2.32 (I think ???). There seems to > be a problem when I try to send an ascii file from my pc > to an HP-48 GX calculator. I am not sure if this is a problem > at the pc or the HP-48. Any help or advice would be appreciated. > > tia > Kevin J Murphy > email:0002016821@mcimail.com --------- The current release of MS-DOS Kermit is v3.14, much newer than your venerable but servicable v2.32. Please contact Columbia Univ via ftp at kermit.columbia.edu. Then cd kermit/msdos, get binary file msvibm.zip, the quick start kit. Works to my HP48G. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sun Mar 3 17:12:55 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA28292 for ; Sun, 3 Mar 1996 17:12:55 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id RAA04168 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 3 Mar 1996 17:12:52 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!imci5!pull-feed.internetmci.com!news.internetMCI.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!uwm.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!csn!news-1.csn.net!ub!newsstand.cit.cornell.edu!news.tc.cornell.edu!newsserver.sdsc.edu!newshub.csu.net!charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu!zippy From: zippy@hairball.ecst.csuchico.edu (The Pinhead) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit 3.14 + Kanji = troubles Date: 03 Mar 1996 12:28:10 GMT Organization: California State University, Chico Lines: 15 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: hairball.ecst.csuchico.edu Having set kermit to as eight bit-clean as I think I can get, I still cannot get the latest msvibm.zip to display shift-jis kanji. I am using DOS-V 6.3. I am also having the same problem with C-Kermit 5A(190) and Linux + Japanese Extentions. The "cu" command will pass shift-jis kanji to a kterm unadulterated, but no amount of coaxing can get kermit to do the same. Please tell me I'm not SOL! -- Ronald Cole E-mail: ronald@ridgecrest.ca.us Software Architect zippy@ecst.csuchico.edu "You cannot propel yourself forward by patting yourself on the back." From news@columbia.edu Sun Mar 3 18:32:46 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA04488 for ; Sun, 3 Mar 1996 18:32:45 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id SAA05844 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 3 Mar 1996 18:32:42 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!imci5!pull-feed.internetmci.com!news.internetMCI.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.reston.ans.net!newsjunkie.ans.net!newsfeeds.ans.net!ns2.ny.ubs.com!amazon!hadar From: hadar@amazon.chem.columbia.edu (Hadar Pedhazur) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Problems w/K95 Date: 3 Mar 1996 13:36:43 GMT Organization: Union Bank of Switzerland, New York site Lines: 49 Message-ID: <4hc79b$446@ns2.ny.ubs.com> Reply-To: hadar@ny.ubs.com NNTP-Posting-Host: amazon.ny.ubs.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] First of all, let me say that I am very happy (overall) with K95 and that I am glad I bought it. However, I have two problems: I am using K95 on a laptop running W95 in 640x480 and on a desktop running W95 in 1408x1024. On the laptop, I am using a USRobotics 28.8 sportster (pcmcia card), and on the desktop I am using an external 28.8 sportster. I never have trouble connecting on the desktop, but on the laptop, I can *never* connect unless I *first* use another program to open the pcmcia (on com2) first. Then K95 works correctly. Otherwise, I get a message to the effect that "unable to open com2: no such file or directory", followed by "must set LINE first". This does not happen if I use another com program (hyperterminal for example) to open the com port first. Since I now know this, the "workaround" is easy, but it would be nice if it weren't necessary. Again, I do *not* have ths problem on the desktop with an external modem. Second problem. I generally dial in to a machine using vt100 and in my dialing entry, I select 49 lines. This works *perfectly* (which is one of the reasons that I *really* like K95 :-). However, when I am done with the connection, the "console app" portion of K95, *shrinks* to a window that is incredibly small! I can type exit, and then open a "normal" sized window again, and everything is fine. I can also change the font from "auto" to a fixed size, and the window will behave correctly. However, it seems that the automatic resizing using 49 lines in vt100 mode, does not cause a proper return when the session is done. Hitting Alt-X to return (temporarily) to command mode does *not* cause a problem. It is only when the session is closed and the modem hangs up that I experience the problem. This happens on *both* the laptop and the desktop. Two last datapoints: I have NT3.51 at home, and while I normally don't dial out using NT, I loaded K95 and dialled out just to check. It does *not* experience the problem described above. In other words, it can return to a "normal" (but bigger) window when the 49 line session is ended. This problem occured in all versions of K95 since 1.1. I have upgraded to the latest 1.1.3 and it still occurs :-( Thanks in advance for *any* help. -- Hadar Pedhazur hadar@ny.ubs.com From news@columbia.edu Sun Mar 3 23:53:40 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA27244 for ; Sun, 3 Mar 1996 23:53:39 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id VAA09401 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 3 Mar 1996 21:18:54 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!munnari.OZ.AU!news.ecn.uoknor.edu!news.eng.convex.com!newshost.convex.com!news.duke.edu!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!nntp.coast.net!torn!nott!cunews!mira.sce.carleton.ca!dunxue From: dunxue@mira.sce.carleton.ca (Dunxue Liu) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: help Date: 3 Mar 96 15:24:03 GMT Organization: Carleton University, Ottawa, Canada Lines: 13 Message-ID: References: <313674BF.405B@swvcc.wvnet.edu> <96061.115734HDK@psuvm.psu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: mira.sce.carleton.ca I have a new user of KERMIT. There is no problem when I transfer plain files, but for zip files it not work any more. I guess i should set model to "binary" just like using ftp. but i don't know how to do it. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Daniel Liu Univ. of Carleton, CANADA dunxue@sce.carleton.ca From news@columbia.edu Sun Mar 3 23:53:41 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA27247 for ; Sun, 3 Mar 1996 23:53:40 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id VAA09403 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 3 Mar 1996 21:18:54 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.mindlink.net!van-bc!unixg.ubc.ca!info.ucla.edu!agate!dog.ee.lbl.gov!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Ms-Dos Kerm to Vax - PC monitor to 40 cols? Message-ID: <1996Mar3.093758.75690@cc.usu.edu> Date: 3 Mar 96 09:37:58 MDT References: <4h5p5r$874@newsbf02.news.aol.com> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 19 In article <4h5p5r$874@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, billykx@aol.com (BillyKX) writes: > Hello Kermit dudes & dudettes, > I'm connected from Dos Kermit 3.14 to a Vax/Vms sys. Everything is fine > until I want to run a "take" script - the script runs but the monitor goes > to 40 columns (maybe less) and stays that way after exiting Kermit. If I > issue the same cmds manually there isn't a problem. It's something about > getting *out* of VT320 emulation (when the take runs)??? Also, the screen > can't be reset with the Dos "mode" cmd, has to be rebooted. > Thanks! > Bill Klingner > IL ----------- As explained in the documentation, scripts operate at the Kermit prompt level, using DOS for video displaying; Connect mode (terminal emulation) is not active. The VAX sent something to your PC during the script which ANSI.SYS interpreted as set the screen to 40 columns. To prevent this occurrence turn off echoing of the script command responses: SET INPUT ECHO OFF. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Mon Mar 4 02:10:24 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id CAA10737 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 02:10:24 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id CAA16536 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 02:10:19 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!pipeline!newsjunkie.ans.net!newsfeeds.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!dog.ee.lbl.gov!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-Kermit V3.14 Quirk? Message-ID: <1996Mar3.180451.75713@cc.usu.edu> Date: 3 Mar 96 18:04:51 MDT References: <313674BF.405B@swvcc.wvnet.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 35 In article <313674BF.405B@swvcc.wvnet.edu>, Allen Farley writes: > Hi] > > We bumped into a little quirk using MS-Kermit V3.14 under WFW. Given the > right conditions the cursor dances side-to-side on the screen, with no > way to get it under control nicely except for attempting to terminate > the task via the Task Switcher. > > Our PCs have the DEC LK250 or LK450 keyboards attached, so we use the > MSULK2 driver for them. We are also using 3C509 cards connected to a > Xyplex 10Base-T hub, and we are using the packet driver that came with > the cards. The KERMIT.PIF file is setup for windowed display. Also we > are using PKTMUX since Internet access via WinSock and Kermit need to > be able to run simultaneously. BTW this seems to work very well] > > If we attempt to duplicate the problem using a 101-key keyboard we > cannot, but with the LK450, w/driver loaded, it just takes a few fast > up-arrows for the cursor to begin its jig. > > Interesting still is the solution we came up with: modify the .PIF to > run full screen. After we did this, we could not duplicate the problem. > > Any hints or clues as to what in the world is happening? --------------- The question might also be rephrased to ask if Windows supports the DEC LK250 keyboard. I say that because Windows virtualizes the keyboard material and most interrupt vectors too; Kermit sees what Windows wants it to see. You have a pretty fierce environment going. Windows + comms is bad enough, then you add a keyboard TSR, and the TCP kludge pktmux, and top it off with an Ethernet adapter which eats systems alive. Not a good situation. Going to full screen simply unburdens Windows some, and I guess that's enough to sneak by in your case. I wish I could give some insight into what's going wrong, aside from the obvious bad-neighbors comment, but I can't. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Mon Mar 4 08:32:04 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA15553 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 08:32:03 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id IAA11716 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 08:32:02 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!pipeline!newsjunkie.ans.net!newsfeeds.ans.net!news-w.ans.net!newsfeeds.ans.net!chi-news.cic.net!nntp.coast.net!news00.sunet.se!sunic!news99.sunet.se!news.funet.fi!news.joensuu.fi!news From: hounsell@cc.joensuu.fi (Paul Hounsell) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Help with kermit 3.14 & Win 95, please. Date: 3 Mar 1996 19:52:34 GMT Organization: Joensuu University language Center Lines: 26 Message-ID: <4hcta2$hsm@cc.joensuu.fi> NNTP-Posting-Host: kike6.joensuu.fi Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.7 Hello all Sorry to bring this up again but I have lost the messages where the answers where given and I have had no luck trying to find them on the net. I need to get MSK working with with Windows 95, both with a modem and a network card. Note these are different machines. I know this has been answered but I have miss placed the solutions and I did not find the answers in the web pages for kermit. I really think this should be included as there are going to be many of us needing this information. BTW when is the expected date for full GUI kermit? I know there are no certainties in computer programming but I am interested in your best guess. I can not afford Ker95 at this moment but I hope to upgrade later. Yes I bought the book for 3.11 years ago. Thanks in advance PAul -- ======================================================================= Paul Hounsell |disclaimer: Joensuu University Language Center | Of course I have opinions, I am Joensuu Finland | just not responsible for them hounsell@cc.joensuu.fi | and neither is anybody else! ======================================================================= From news@columbia.edu Mon Mar 4 11:02:44 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA29910 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 11:02:43 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA15317 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 11:02:40 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: command for local printing????? Date: 4 Mar 1996 16:02:30 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 11 Message-ID: <4hf46m$eug@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4h4k4b$3ms@netnews.upenn.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4h4k4b$3ms@netnews.upenn.edu>, Paul M. Nealen wrote: : I am using Kermit as the front-end on a dial-in system to a university : mainframe. Is there a command I can type that will divert file printing : to my local printer rather than to the university computer center? : Look on your MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 diskette in the UTILS subdirectory to find commands you can install on (or adapt to) your mainframe for printing mainframe-resident files on the PC's local printer. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Mar 4 11:19:16 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA01953 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 11:19:15 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA15746 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 11:19:10 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: upcoming release Date: 4 Mar 1996 16:18:55 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 44 Message-ID: <4hf55f$fbo@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4h6ult$1b0p@ns4-1.CC.Lehigh.EDU> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4h6ult$1b0p@ns4-1.CC.Lehigh.EDU>, wrote: : In article <4h4g2h$rlo@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu : (Frank da Cruz) writes: : >[discussing the forthcoming GUI version of Kermit 95...] : >Just out of curiousity, what is your interest in preservation of console : >mode? : > : For several years we have used Kermit very successfully in conjunction : with front-ends that we (and most recently, myself) have written in-house : which build the appropriate Kermit scripts. Thus, we can provide a user : interface which is specifically oriented to our campus' needs - no more : and no less. : : [ Yes, I feel that Kermit all by itself is very easy to use, but tell : that to our users! ;) ] : : Anyway, it is of interest to me if we are going to lose this option of : running Kermit in this manner (from other software). : You're confusing console mode with the command parser. These are totally independent concepts. Console mode means that a program runs in what looks like a "DOS" window under CONAGENT.EXE, in which you are restricted as to what resources and services you can use. A GUI program can still have a command parser and script programming language, but it runs in a GUI window (you know, scroll bars, sliders, menus, etc) rather than a console window. But it works the same way. We are not going to take away your access to the command prompt and script language. We are simply going to change the style of the window it runs in, AND we're going to add a "graphical parallel universe" for it, in which most commands also have graphical counterparts, and so it can be used interactively without ever having to type a command. (Some commands are useful only in script programs, so there is no point in creating graphical versions of them.) So when you start the GUI version, you'll have a terminal screen with a menu bar and tool bar and status bar, just like Windows users expect. On the menu bar will be a "Window" item, which lets you open a command window if you want to. In the File menu will be an item to let you execute a script file, and so on. Don't worry, we would not scrap the command language, even though this may fly in the face of market trends. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Mar 4 11:24:45 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA02588 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 11:24:44 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA15888 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 11:24:37 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.os.rsts,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit PC/RSTS crash Date: 4 Mar 1996 16:24:23 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 12 Distribution: inet Message-ID: <4hf5fn$fgd@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4h840f$mcv$1@mhafc.production.compuserve.com> <4h8pi8$iar@gap.cco.caltech.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.os.rsts:569 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:4811 In article <4h840f$mcv$1@mhafc.production.compuserve.com>, Kelvin Smith <74654.3313@CompuServe.COM> wrote: : I've run into an apparent incompatibility between the most recent : version of MS-DOS Kermit (v3.14) and Kermit-11 X3.60, running under : RSTS v10.1. When I try to send a file from DOS to RSTS, either : using SERVER mode or RECEIVE mode on RSTS, Kermit-11 crashes and : generates a slew of Trap to 4 errors. : Try telling Kermit-11 (or both Kermits, if necessary) to "set attributes off". - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Mar 4 11:30:29 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA03380 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 11:30:28 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA16049 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 11:30:23 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit 3.14 + Kanji = troubles Date: 4 Mar 1996 16:30:00 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 31 Message-ID: <4hf5q8$fkj@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , The Pinhead wrote: : Having set kermit... : What Kermit, what version? : ... to as eight bit-clean as I think I can get, I still : cannot get the latest msvibm.zip to display shift-jis kanji. I am : using DOS-V 6.3. : What is the character set on the host? If it is Shift-Jis, there is no translation involved. However, host-resident Japanese text is usually JIS X 0208 or EUC or other code, not Shift-JIS, in which case you need to tell Kermit which host character set is being used so it can translate appropriately. See section 8.6 of the KERMIT.UPD file for details. As for 8-bit transparency: SET TERMINAL BYTESIZE 8 SET PARITY NONE : I am also having the same problem with C-Kermit 5A(190) and Linux + : Japanese Extentions. The "cu" command will pass shift-jis kanji to a : kterm unadulterated, but no amount of coaxing can get kermit to do the : same. : SET TERMINAL BYTESIZE 8 SET COMMAND BYTESIZE 8 SET PARITY NONE - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Mar 4 11:32:33 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA03655 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 11:32:32 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA16114 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 11:32:28 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit 3.14 + Kanji = troubles Date: 4 Mar 1996 16:32:17 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 20 Message-ID: <4hf5uh$fne@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4hf5q8$fkj@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4hf5q8$fkj@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, Frank da Cruz wrote: : In article , : The Pinhead wrote: : ... : : I am also having the same problem with C-Kermit 5A(190) and Linux + : : Japanese Extentions. The "cu" command will pass shift-jis kanji to a : : kterm unadulterated, but no amount of coaxing can get kermit to do the : : same. : : : SET TERMINAL BYTESIZE 8 : SET COMMAND BYTESIZE 8 : SET PARITY NONE : I forgot to say, if the host really *is* using Shift-JIS, then to these commands add: SET TERM CHARACTER-SET TRANSPARENT - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Mar 4 11:42:53 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA04877 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 11:42:52 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA16384 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 11:42:44 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Problems w/K95 Date: 4 Mar 1996 16:42:19 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 61 Message-ID: <4hf6hb$fvq@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4hc79b$446@ns2.ny.ubs.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4hc79b$446@ns2.ny.ubs.com>, Hadar Pedhazur wrote: : First of all, let me say that I am very happy (overall) with K95 and : that I am glad I bought it. : Thanks! : However, I have two problems: : : I am using K95 on a laptop running W95 in 640x480 and on a desktop : running W95 in 1408x1024. On the laptop, I am using a USRobotics 28.8 : sportster (pcmcia card), and on the desktop I am using an external : 28.8 sportster. : : I never have trouble connecting on the desktop, but on the laptop, I : can *never* connect unless I *first* use another program to open the : pcmcia (on com2) first. : That's right. As noted in the BUGS.DOC file that comes with the current version, 1.1.3: 79. PCMCIA Modem Problems (C). Restriction: The Microsoft VCOMM driver used to provide serial port services in console windows does not support Plug-and-Play. Therefore, it is unable to initialize Plug and Play serial devices when they are added to the system, and so the console-mode version of Kermit 95 can not use PCMCIA modems on Windows 95 unless they are previously initialized by some other program, such as Hyperterminal. This restriction will be lifted when conversion of Kermit 95 to a full GUI application is complete. : Second problem. I generally dial in to a machine using vt100 and in my : dialing entry, I select 49 lines. This works *perfectly* (which is one : of the reasons that I *really* like K95 :-). However, when I am done : with the connection, the "console app" portion of K95, *shrinks* to a : window that is incredibly small! : This is a feature of Windows 95. You can defeat it by changing the properties of console windows. From the FAQ at the top of the BUGS.DOC file: Q: How do you configure the default fonts, window sizes, ... for a Console Window on Windows 95, such as the one used by K95.EXE? A: Create a CONAGENT.PIF file in the WINDOWS\SYSTEM directory. Do this by viewing the WINDOWS\SYSTEM directory folder. Then select CONAGENT.EXE and choose the Properties item from the menu. Select whatever fonts and other Window properties that you would like. Then these settings will be used by K95.EXE when started from the K95DIAL.EXE. They will also affect any other WIN32 console applications started from a GUI based program. ALSO SEE: the section "CREATING SHORTCUTS" in the Kermit 95 READ.ME file. : I have NT3.51 at home, and while I normally don't dial out using NT, I : loaded K95 and dialled out just to check. It does *not* experience the : problem described above. In other words, it can return to a "normal" : (but bigger) window when the 49 line session is ended. : Windows 95 has a lot of "features" that are "lacking" in Windows NT. Again, see the BUGS.DOC file for details. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Mar 4 11:52:00 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA06024 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 11:51:58 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA16622 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 11:51:56 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Help with kermit 3.14 & Win 95, please. Date: 4 Mar 1996 16:51:43 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 39 Message-ID: <4hf72v$g77@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4hcta2$hsm@cc.joensuu.fi> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4hcta2$hsm@cc.joensuu.fi>, Paul Hounsell wrote: : Sorry to bring this up again but I have lost the messages where the : answers where given and I have had no luck trying to find them on the net. : You can find comp.protocols.kermit.misc archives in: ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/newsgroups/ : I need to get MSK working with with Windows 95, both with a modem and : a network card. Note these are different machines. : You are probably not going to have any luck with network connections. That is one of the reasons we have put so much work into Kermit 95. : I know this has been answered but I have miss placed the solutions and I : did not find the answers in the web pages for kermit. I really think : this should be included as there are going to be many of us needing this : information. : MS-DOS Kermit is the recommended and supported Kermit software for Windows 3.x (and earlier) and for DOS (all versions), as well as more obscure environments like DesqView and TopView, etc. Kermit 95 is the recommended and supported Kermit software for Windows 95 and Windows NT. : BTW when is the expected date for full GUI kermit? I know there : are no certainties in computer programming but I am interested in your : best guess. I can not afford Ker95 at this moment but I hope to upgrade : later. : We are shooting for a Beta release sometime in April or May but, as you say, there are no certainties. Btw, since you are at a university, you might want to point out to the administration there that they can site license Kermit 95 for about what they would spend for a single PC, and then you and everybody else at Joensuu University would have it. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Mar 4 13:11:42 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA15306 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 13:11:41 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id NAA18616 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 13:11:38 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!news.larc.nasa.gov!lll-winken.llnl.gov!uwm.edu!chi-news.cic.net!news.compuserve.com!news.production.compuserve.com!news From: "Rich Godlewsky 76412.156@compuserve.com" <76412.156@CompuServe.COM> Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit Server for Windows 3.11 Date: 3 Mar 1996 17:40:58 GMT Organization: Sparta Systems Lines: 19 Message-ID: <4hclja$ng1$1@mhafc.production.compuserve.com> DESCRIPTION -------------------- We are currently using Kermit 3.14 for DOS (a Columbia University product). We use this product in *Server Mode*, under Windows 3.x running it inside a DOS window (using a *.PIF file) Our Windows application is starting KERMIT.EXE and then waits for files to be received from a remote location (using the Kermit protocol). Since this is a monitoring application, it is running all the time, and expects the Kermit server to do the same. There is no human intervention required. THE QUESTION ---------------------- Is there a WINDOWS communication software package on the market today that is similar to Kermit's Server software (i.e., one which is always ready to receive files in the windows environment that is for Windows 3.11)? Note, we already know that there is Kermit for Windows 95 but not for Windows. From news@columbia.edu Mon Mar 4 23:10:53 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA15850 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 23:10:52 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id XAA08445 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 23:10:50 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!imci5!imci4!newsfeed.internetmci.com!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!oleane!calvacom!newsmaster From: do11@calvacom.fr (Dominique Ottello) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Get transfer window frozen without exit Date: Mon, 04 Mar 1996 16:49:31 GMT Organization: CalvaCom Networks Lines: 68 Message-ID: <313b1dda.1430192@news.calvacom.fr> Reply-To: do11@calvacom.fr NNTP-Posting-Host: par10.calvacom.fr X-Newsreader: Forte Agent .99d/16.182 Hello from France. I use MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 on a PC without any patch. Here after are the Transfer macro I use and the setting values in Mskermit.ini. Sometimes (about 1% of cases) the transfer (get) window is frozen, with only the retry counter activity. Retry is set to 50 but the counter overpass this value and there is no exit from the get command. The calls of transfer are always the same : transfer 0100.KERMIT.DIRTXT.SA dirtxt.txt the file 0100.KERMIT.DIRTXT.SA always exist. Is there any possibility to time-out the get command ? Why the retry counter overpass the setting value ? Sincerely. -+- Transfer Macro -+- define transfer define Trans_OK Oui,set input echo off,- output {TRANSFER\13K\13K\13},input 60 {then reconnect},- if failure define Trans_OK Non,- pause 2,get, \%1, \%2,- if failure define Trans_OK Non,- pause 2,finish,output Q\13,input =,pause 2,set input echo on -+- Mskermit.ini -+- set take echo off set com3 \x280 10 set port 3 set speed 38400 set flow-control RTS/CTS set transfer character-set transparent set file collision overwrite set incomplete discard set retry 50 set send timeout 5 set receive timeout 4 set timer on set bell on set duplex full set prompt Kermit> set terminal type VT320 set terminal wrap on set terminal bytesize 8 set terminal bell audible set terminal color 0 set terminal character-set ASCII set terminal code-page CP437 set terminal upss DEC-MCS set terminal keypad numeric set terminal cursor underline set terminal roll on set terminal output-shift automatic set transfer character-set transparent set mode-line off set input timeout-action proceed set input default-timeout 600 ====================================================== == Dominique == do11@calvacom.fr == Paris == France == ====================================================== From news@columbia.edu Mon Mar 4 23:56:54 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA19482 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 23:56:53 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id XAA09852 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 23:56:52 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!imci5!pull-feed.internetmci.com!news.internetMCI.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!dog.ee.lbl.gov!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Another set key problem Message-ID: <1996Mar4.095410.75751@cc.usu.edu> Date: 4 Mar 96 09:54:10 MDT References: <4h2jdu$d2s@uwm.edu> <4h76q0$798@gateway.dircsa.org.au> <4h7jk4$5ls@uwm.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 17 In article <4h7jk4$5ls@uwm.edu>, hseaver@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (Harmon F Seaver) writes: > Arthur Marsh (arthur@gateway.dircsa.org.au) wrote: > : I did a show key on MS-Kermit 3.14 hit enter then the key marked <- at the > : top right hand side of the main keyboard cluster. This showed me that the > : key has a scancode of 270. > > Right, except that it's already been reset to \127, and I need a > "destructive backspace", not just a backspace. \127 acts as a delete key, > and \8 acts as a backspace, but doesn't delete anything. ----------- Destructive (or not) backspace is a function of the remote host, not MS-DOS Kermit. The remote host has to send bytes commanding the terminal emulator to move its cursor, to write or erase a space, and to reposition the cursor. You'll need to find out what your host wants, typically either DEL (\127) or BS (\8). If it's Unix then try stty -a to see the current settings, and man stty to read more about the subject. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Tue Mar 5 01:42:49 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA29479 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 01:42:49 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id BAA13282 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 01:42:45 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!cmcl2!arlnews!zombie.ncsc.mil!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netnews From: abiyani@ix.netcom.com (Arun Biyani) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit Source Date: Mon, 04 Mar 1996 17:46:24 GMT Organization: Netcom Lines: 6 Message-ID: <313b29d0.69161898@nntp.ix.netcom.com> Reply-To: abiyani@ix.netcom.com NNTP-Posting-Host: hay-ca1-14.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Mon Mar 04 9:46:59 AM PST 1996 X-Newsreader: Forte Agent .99d/32.182 If I send in my $55 registration fee for Kermit for WIndows 95, do I get sources as well or just executables ? Arun From news@columbia.edu Tue Mar 5 02:15:13 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id CAA02177 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 02:15:12 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id CAA14096 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 02:15:08 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!newsfeed.acns.nwu.edu!news.cc.uic.edu!uicvm.uic.edu!u54294 Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago, ADN Computer Center Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 13:24:12 CST From: Message-ID: <96064.132412U54294@uicvm.uic.edu> Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Packet retries w/direct PC-PC Lines: 16 Hi -- I had to move some files from one PC to another, so I attached them by COM port with a null-modem cable and moved the files. While there, I noticed a packet retry rate of 5-10%. This seemed a little odd, since we're talking about direct RS-232 cabling, so I experimented a bit. That retry rate stuck regardless of Kermit speed setting, packet size and flow-control. Setting block-check to 2 or 3 did seem to raise the retry rate a bit, while xon/xoff flow-control might have lowered it slightly. So, why do you suppose...? I was running identical MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 at patch level 9. One side was a 16-MHz 386/SX with an 8250 UART (running Kermit in server mode), the other side was a brand-new 486-DX2/66 with a 16550AF UART, Kermit command-line mode. What are the possibilities? Thanks very much...Nick G. +------------------------------+----------------------------------------+ | Shut him up or shut him down | Nick Geovanis U54294@uicvm.uic.edu | | -- Han Solo | Unix software and sysadmin | +------------------------------+----------------------------------------+ From news@columbia.edu Tue Mar 5 05:22:42 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id FAA15496 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 05:22:41 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id FAA17532 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 05:22:35 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!imci5!pull-feed.internetmci.com!news.internetMCI.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.campus.mci.net!calweb!calweb!hsouders From: hsouders@calweb.com (Harry Souders) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit 95 & Scripting Date: Mon, 04 Mar 96 20:42:04 GMT Organization: CalWeb Internet Services, Inc. Lines: 5 Message-ID: <4heon9$79d@news.calweb.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: sac1-9.calweb.com X-Newsreader: News Xpress 2.0 Beta #0 I would like get get Kermit 95 in order to automate calls to bulletin boards via landline and telnet. I have so far been unable to find a list of commands for the scripting language in Kermit95. Does anyone know where I can get a list of the commands available and a short description of what each does? From news@columbia.edu Tue Mar 5 09:40:52 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA15011 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 09:40:52 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id JAA12807 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 09:40:50 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit Source Date: 5 Mar 1996 14:40:46 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 12 Message-ID: <4hhjpe$cg3@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <313b29d0.69161898@nntp.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <313b29d0.69161898@nntp.ix.netcom.com>, Arun Biyani wrote: : : If I send in my $55 registration fee for Kermit for WIndows 95, do I : get sources as well or just executables ? : $54.00. You get executables, a user manual and a technical reference manual totalling about 600 pages supplemented by additional online information, a big connections database, scripts, keymaps, utilities, etc, but not source code. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Mar 5 09:47:57 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA15867 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 09:47:56 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id JAA13115 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 09:47:53 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit 95 & Scripting Date: 5 Mar 1996 14:47:46 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 24 Message-ID: <4hhk6i$cpn@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4heon9$79d@news.calweb.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4heon9$79d@news.calweb.com>, Harry Souders wrote: : I would like get get Kermit 95 in order to automate calls to bulletin : boards via landline and telnet. I have so far been unable to find a list : of commands for the scripting language in Kermit95. Does anyone know : where I can get a list of the commands available and a short description : of what each does? : If you ordered Kermit 95 from us or bought it in a store, it came in a box with two manuals. The thicker of the two has three chapters on script programming. If you do not have these manuals, then you must have obtained the software through a bulk or site license of some sort, no? In that case, your license administrator is responsible for furnishing users with documentation, either from the stock that came with the original license or by ordering more. You can also purchase the technical reference manual, "Using C-Kermit", yourself. On the web, see: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/manuals.html - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Mar 5 14:38:34 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA21623 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 14:38:33 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id OAA22650 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 14:38:30 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!pipeline!newsjunkie.ans.net!newsfeeds.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!peer-news.britain.eu.net!sunsite.doc.ic.ac.uk!susx.ac.uk!leilabd From: leilabd@central.susx.ac.uk (Leila Burrell-Davis) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MSKERMIT 3.14 and COMMAND.COM Date: 5 Mar 1996 18:21:19 GMT Organization: Computing Service, University of Sussex, UK Lines: 45 Message-ID: <4hi0mv$sp1@infa.central.susx.ac.uk> References: <4gpdd3$b7q@oravannahka.Helsinki.FI> <1996Feb25.081711.74972@cc.usu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: solx1.central.susx.ac.uk X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Joe Doupnik (jrd@cc.usu.edu) wrote: % In article <4gpdd3$b7q@oravannahka.Helsinki.FI>, tlinden@cc.Helsinki.FI (Tomas Linden) writes: % > Sometimes I get the following error message from MSKERMIT 3.14: % > ?Unable to execute command interpreter C:\COMMAND.COM % > This I get in the middle of CONNECT mode and also when trying to execute % > DOS 5.0 commands from within Kermit itself. I removed my SHELL command % > from my CONFIG.SYS and this seemed to fix the problem, but I'm not yet % > sure. I have COMMAND.COM in my root directory and also a copy of it in % > C:\DOS because some other programs were complaining when I only had it % > in the root. What is the real cause of this error message? % ======= % Your DOS Environment should have a line reading % COMSPEC=C:\COMMAND.COM % or whereever command.com is located. It is created automatically by DOS % via the line % SHELL=C:\COMMAND.COM /other-switches-go-here % in config.sys. You can change COMSPEC= later after DOS finishes booting. % Kermit and other programs look for COMSPEC=. There is a futher use of % keyword SHELL= which is it may appear in the DOS Environment and tell % Kermit (and prehaps other programs) to use the right side as the name % of the program to invoke rather than COMMAND.COM. Normally one does not % have a SHELL= in the DOS Environment. % Loss of command.com can occur if more memory is needed than is % available without overwriting the transient portion of command.com. DOS % will recognize loss of the transient portion and replace it from the % disk image of command.com. If DOS is misdirected then it can't find that % disk image and we get the message you noted. % If you provide no expanded memory and yet you ask for lots of % Connect mode screen rollback buffers then the 640K memory area may be % consumed entirely, including the transient portion of command.com. The % solutions to this are to either create expanded memory with your memory % managers (don't say NOEMS if using DOS' manager), or reduce the number % of rollback buffers (DOS Environment, line KERMIT=roll smaller-value). % Joe D. I had this problem when I upgraded to v3.14 but was still using a PIF file I had used with the previous version. It didn't specify enough memory for both Kermit and command.com. Leila -- Leila Burrell-Davis, Computing Service, University of Sussex, Brighton, UK Tel: +44 (0) 1273 678390 Fax: +44 (0) 1273 271956 Email: L.Burrell-Davis@sussex.ac.uk For PGP Public Key, send email with the subject 'send pgp key'. From news@columbia.edu Tue Mar 5 16:04:47 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA01958 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 16:04:46 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id QAA25297 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 16:04:42 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!munnari.OZ.AU!news.ecn.uoknor.edu!news.eng.convex.com!newshost.convex.com!news.duke.edu!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!dog.ee.lbl.gov!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Packet retries w/direct PC-PC Message-ID: <1996Mar5.082302.75896@cc.usu.edu> Date: 5 Mar 96 08:23:02 MDT References: <96064.132412U54294@uicvm.uic.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 23 In article <96064.132412U54294@uicvm.uic.edu>, writes: > Hi -- > I had to move some files from one PC to another, so I attached them > by COM port with a null-modem cable and moved the files. While there, > I noticed a packet retry rate of 5-10%. This seemed a little odd, since > we're talking about direct RS-232 cabling, so I experimented a bit. > That retry rate stuck regardless of Kermit speed setting, packet size > and flow-control. Setting block-check to 2 or 3 did seem to raise the > retry rate a bit, while xon/xoff flow-control might have lowered it slightly. > So, why do you suppose...? I was running identical MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 > at patch level 9. One side was a 16-MHz 386/SX with an 8250 UART (running > Kermit in server mode), the other side was a brand-new 486-DX2/66 with > a 16550AF UART, Kermit command-line mode. What are the possibilities? > Thanks very much...Nick G. ----------- Some possibilities: The serial cable is a three wire affair, which is bad at high data rates. You have disk caching software loaded, which will cause cpu outages when it dumps to disk. You have TSRs loaded which block the cpu at a healthy rate. Something is trying to use the same IRQ wire as your serial ports. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Tue Mar 5 16:15:10 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA03158 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 16:15:08 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id QAA25602 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 16:15:00 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!hamblin.math.byu.edu!acs2.byu.edu!news.cuny.edu!caen!uwm.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!chi-news.cic.net!news-w.ans.net!newsfeeds.ans.net!newsjunkie.ans.net!newsfeeds.ans.net!ns2.ny.ubs.com!amazon!hadar From: hadar@amazon.chem.columbia.edu (Hadar Pedhazur) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Problems w/K95 Date: 5 Mar 1996 12:22:22 GMT Organization: Union Bank of Switzerland, New York site Lines: 12 Message-ID: <4hhblu$7jo@ns2.ny.ubs.com> References: <4hc79b$446@ns2.ny.ubs.com> <4hf6hb$fvq@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Reply-To: hadar@ny.ubs.com NNTP-Posting-Host: amazon.ny.ubs.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Frank da Cruz (fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: [all of my stuff snipped, as well as all of Frank's good responses :-)] : Windows 95 has a lot of "features" that are "lacking" in Windows NT. Again, : see the BUGS.DOC file for details. : - Frank Thanks. Sorry for wasting bandwidth by *not* reading the BUGS.DOC! -- Hadar Pedhazur From news@columbia.edu Tue Mar 5 16:15:11 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA03174 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 16:15:10 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id QAA25600 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 16:15:00 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!hamblin.math.byu.edu!acs2.byu.edu!news.cuny.edu!caen!uwm.edu!chi-news.cic.net!nntp.coast.net!zombie.ncsc.mil!admaix.sunydutchess.edu!ub!newsstand.cit.cornell.edu!news.tc.cornell.edu!newsserver.sdsc.edu!newshub.csu.net!charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu!zippy From: zippy@hairball.ecst.csuchico.edu (The Pinhead) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit 3.14 + Kanji = troubles Date: 05 Mar 1996 09:07:26 GMT Organization: California State University, Chico Lines: 49 Message-ID: References: <4hf5q8$fkj@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: hairball.ecst.csuchico.edu In-reply-to: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu's message of 04 Mar 1996 08:30:00 -0800 In article <4hf5q8$fkj@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: What Kermit, what version? MSKermit 3.14 : ... to as eight bit-clean as I think I can get, I still : cannot get the latest msvibm.zip to display shift-jis kanji. I am : using DOS-V 6.3. : What is the character set on the host? If it is Shift-Jis, there is no translation involved. However, host-resident Japanese text is usually JIS X 0208 or EUC or other code, not Shift-JIS, in which case you need to tell Kermit which host character set is being used so it can translate appropriately. See section 8.6 of the KERMIT.UPD file for details. The host application is definitely using shift-jis. As for 8-bit transparency: SET TERMINAL BYTESIZE 8 SET PARITY NONE This still didn't work. Section 8.6 is confusing because I have little knowledge of IBM's code pages other than what is written in Ken Lunde's O'Reilly book. I tried: set file character-set shift-jis set terminal bytesize 8 set parity none set terminal character-set transparent to no avail.... :( : I am also having the same problem with C-Kermit 5A(190) and Linux + : Japanese Extentions. The "cu" command will pass shift-jis kanji to a : kterm unadulterated, but no amount of coaxing can get kermit to do the : same. : SET TERMINAL BYTESIZE 8 SET COMMAND BYTESIZE 8 SET PARITY NONE Yes, "set command bytesize" was what I was missing! Thank you, so very much!! Now if I can get MSKermit to display shift-jis kanji... -- Ronald Cole E-mail: ronald@ridgecrest.ca.us Software Architect zippy@ecst.csuchico.edu "You cannot propel yourself forward by patting yourself on the back." From news@columbia.edu Tue Mar 5 19:51:39 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA28082 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 19:51:34 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id TAA02875 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 19:51:32 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!cmcl2!newsjunkie.ans.net!newsfeeds.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!peer-news.britain.eu.net!warwick!bignews.shef.ac.uk!sunc!jp1ek From: jp1ek@sunc.shef.ac.uk (Earl H. Kinmonth) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: macro to synchronize time Date: 5 Mar 1996 07:57:14 GMT Organization: Centre for Japanese Studies, Univ. of Sheffield Lines: 7 Message-ID: <4hgs4q$apa@bignews.shef.ac.uk> Reply-To: jp1ek@sunc.shef.ac.uk NNTP-Posting-Host: sunc.shef.ac.uk X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Does anyone have a macro that could be used with MsKermit 3.14 and CKermit 190 to synchronize a pc clock to that of a UNIX machine? I have the MKS Toolkit on the PC if that makes it easier. -- Earl H. Kinmonth, Centre for Japanese Studies, University of Sheffield, Sheffield, England S10 2TN jp1ek@sunc.sheffield.ac.uk From news@columbia.edu Tue Mar 5 20:01:30 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA29194 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 20:01:29 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id UAA03246 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 20:01:28 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!imci5!imci4!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!wariat.org!news From: woodman@apk.net Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: C-Kermit with dial-up service Date: 6 Mar 1996 00:24:05 GMT Organization: APK - Internet Provider for Ohio. Lines: 6 Message-ID: <4hilv5$6ee@wariat.wariat.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: woodman.apk.net X-Newsreader: AIR News 3.X (SPRY, Inc.) I have a Unix workstation with C-Kermit and I'm trying to use to dial in to a service provider for Email. Is there any one out there that has any experience using C-Kermit with success in such a situation ?? Thanks, From news@columbia.edu Tue Mar 5 20:13:04 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA00394 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 20:13:04 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id UAA03641 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 20:13:01 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: macro to synchronize time Date: 6 Mar 1996 01:12:54 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 24 Message-ID: <4hioqm$3hl@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4hgs4q$apa@bignews.shef.ac.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4hgs4q$apa@bignews.shef.ac.uk>, Earl H. Kinmonth wrote: : Does anyone have a macro that could be used with MsKermit 3.14 and : CKermit 190 to synchronize a pc clock to that of a UNIX machine? I : have the MKS Toolkit on the PC if that makes it easier. : C-Kermit 5A(190) in server mode with MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 as a client form a good pair. In these versions, it is possible to pass variables back and forth. Try it: remote query kermit time This puts the current UNIX time into an MS-DOS Kermit variable, \v(query). See KERMIT.UPD (DOS) or ckcker.upd (UNIX) for details about REMOTE QUERY, REMOTE ASSIGN, etc. So the entire MS-DOS Kermit script would be: remote query kermit time run time \v(query) And it works just as well in the evening as in the morning :-) - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Mar 5 20:43:17 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA03429 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 20:43:17 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id UAA04900 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 20:43:14 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!apollo.hp.com!lf.hp.com!news.dtc.hp.com!col.hp.com!nntp.coast.net!chi-news.cic.net!newsxfer2.itd.umich.edu!agate!dog.ee.lbl.gov!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Get transfer window frozen without exit Message-ID: <1996Mar4.200819.75840@cc.usu.edu> Date: 4 Mar 96 20:08:19 MDT References: <313b1dda.1430192@news.calvacom.fr> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 87 In article <313b1dda.1430192@news.calvacom.fr>, do11@calvacom.fr (Dominique Ottello) writes: > Hello from France. > > I use MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 on a PC without any patch. > > Here after are the Transfer macro I use and the setting values in > Mskermit.ini. > > Sometimes (about 1% of cases) the transfer (get) window is frozen, > with only the retry > counter activity. Retry is set to 50 but the counter overpass this > value and there is no exit from the get command. > > The calls of transfer are always the same : > transfer 0100.KERMIT.DIRTXT.SA dirtxt.txt > the file 0100.KERMIT.DIRTXT.SA always exist. > > Is there any possibility to time-out the get command ? > > Why the retry counter overpass the setting value ? > > Sincerely. I would guess the other side is not running a Kermit server or there is a mismatch of flow control kinds along the path. You can abandon the file transfer by following instructions at the bottom of the file transfer screen; press X or Z keys. To see what is happening use LOG PACKETS to write each packet (and other arriving bytes) to file Packet.log. That should help diagnose what the other side is saying to you. Visually you can monitor that material by saying SET DEBUG ON. > -+- Transfer Macro -+- > > define transfer define Trans_OK Oui,set input echo off,- > output {TRANSFER\13K\13K\13},input 60 {then reconnect},- > if failure define Trans_OK Non,- > pause 2,get, \%1, \%2,- > if failure define Trans_OK Non,- > pause 2,finish,output Q\13,input =,pause 2,set input echo on > > -+- Mskermit.ini -+- > > set take echo off > set com3 \x280 10 > set port 3 > set speed 38400 > set flow-control RTS/CTS > set transfer character-set transparent > set file collision overwrite > set incomplete discard > set retry 50 That's 50 failures in a row for any individual packet, not worrying about failures on other packets. 50 * 4 = 200 sec. > set send timeout 5 > set receive timeout 4 Best to leave these timeout values at their default Below many items are the same as the defaults, so you can save typing and file size by omitting them. Joe D. > set timer on > set bell on > set duplex full > set prompt Kermit> > set terminal type VT320 > set terminal wrap on > set terminal bytesize 8 > set terminal bell audible > set terminal color 0 > set terminal character-set ASCII > set terminal code-page CP437 > set terminal upss DEC-MCS > set terminal keypad numeric > set terminal cursor underline > set terminal roll on > set terminal output-shift automatic > set transfer character-set transparent > set mode-line off > set input timeout-action proceed > set input default-timeout 600 > > ====================================================== > == Dominique == do11@calvacom.fr == Paris == France == > ====================================================== From news@columbia.edu Wed Mar 6 00:06:12 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA23932 for ; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 00:06:12 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id AAA12239 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 00:06:10 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.inc.net!news.us.world.net!ns2.mainstreet.net!bug.rahul.net!rahul.net!a2i!hustle.rahul.net!rahul.net!a2i!dold.a2i!dold From: Clarence Dold Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: macro to synchronize time Date: 5 Mar 1996 15:05:15 GMT Organization: a2i network Lines: 75 Message-ID: <4hhl7b$eb0@hustle.rahul.net> References: <4hgs4q$apa@bignews.shef.ac.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: foxtrot.rahul.net NNTP-Posting-User: dold X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Earl H. Kinmonth (jp1ek@sunc.sheffield.ac.uk) wrote: : Does anyone have a macro that could be used with MsKermit 3.14 and : CKermit 190 to synchronize a pc clock to that of a UNIX machine? I : have the MKS Toolkit on the PC if that makes it easier. This one was posted by Keith Petersen some time ago. I modified it slightly to remove literal ESC from the text. You might need to make adjustments to the echo, depending on whether you have SVR4 or SunOS. No special help needed on the DOS side, it invokes "time" and "date". I noticed that it does not work under Win95. shar: saving pctime (Text) #!/bin/sh # This is a shell archive (produced by shar 3.49) # To extract the files from this archive, save it to a file, remove # everything above the "!/bin/sh" line above, and type "sh file_name". # # made 03/05/1996 15:04 UTC by dold@rahul.net # Source directory /waltz/wg/home/dold/bin # # existing files will NOT be overwritten unless -c is specified # # This shar contains: # length mode name # ------ ---------- ------------------------------------------ # 763 -rwxr-xr-x pctime # # ============= pctime ============== if test -f 'pctime' -a X"$1" != X"-c"; then echo 'x - skipping pctime (File already exists)' else echo 'x - extracting pctime (Text)' sed 's/^X//' << 'SHAR_EOF' > 'pctime' && #! /bin/sh -e X # SETTING THE PC'S TIME FROM A UNIX HOST X # If your Unix host has accurate time (some are locked to very accurate # time standards), you can use this script to set your PC's clock by way # of the MS-Kermit remote command feature. X # Written by w8sdz@SimTel.Coast.NET (Keith Petersen) 11-Feb-94 # Modified to include date, and remove literal ESC from the text # dold@rahul.net (Clarence A Dold) X ECHO=/usr/5bin/echo #ECHO=echo X leadtime='\033_run time ' leaddate='\033_run date ' leadout='\033\' $ECHO '\033_set terminal apc unchecked\033\' mytime=`date | awk '{print $4}'` echo $mytime $ECHO $leadtime$mytime$leadout mydate=`date "+%D" |tr "/" "-"` sleep 1 echo $mydate $ECHO $leaddate$mydate$leadout sleep 1 $ECHO '\033_set terminal apc on\033\' SHAR_EOF chmod 0755 pctime || echo 'restore of pctime failed' Wc_c="`wc -c < 'pctime'`" test 763 -eq "$Wc_c" || echo 'pctime: original size 763, current size' "$Wc_c" fi exit 0 -- --- Clarence A Dold - dold@rahul.net - Pope Valley & Napa CA. From news@columbia.edu Wed Mar 6 00:06:14 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA23937 for ; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 00:06:13 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id AAA12238 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 00:06:10 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!skiving.demon.co.uk From: Dave Cook Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Auto Delete Files after sending in kermit Date: Tue, 05 Mar 1996 15:04:08 GMT Lines: 11 Message-ID: <826038248.2742@skiving.demon.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: skiving.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: skiving.demon.co.uk X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (Windows; I; 16bit) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Probably an easy answer to this one but I cant find it, how do I get Kermit to remove files as it sends them. If modem drops the connection when executing 'send *.snd' I dont know how many where sent, if any, and how many I need to resend. Unfortunately I have to turn the display off so cant watch the fancy screen of bytes transferred. In Anticipation of a kermit genious Dave Cook From news@columbia.edu Wed Mar 6 05:19:21 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id FAA24552 for ; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 05:19:20 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id FAA19796 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 05:19:18 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!cmcl2!newsjunkie.ans.net!newsfeeds.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!oleane!calvacom!newsmaster From: do11@calvacom.fr (Dominique Ottello) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Auto Delete Files after sending in kermit Date: Tue, 05 Mar 1996 18:28:11 GMT Organization: CalvaCom Networks Lines: 40 Message-ID: <313c8074.7180125@news.calvacom.fr> References: <826038248.2742@skiving.demon.co.uk> Reply-To: do11@calvacom.fr NNTP-Posting-Host: par02.calvacom.fr X-Newsreader: Forte Agent .99d/16.182 Dave Cook wrote: >Probably an easy answer to this one but I cant find it, how do I get >Kermit to remove files as it sends them. If modem drops the connection >when executing 'send *.snd' I dont know how many where sent, if any, and >how many I need to resend. Unfortunately I have to turn the display off so >cant watch the fancy screen of bytes transferred. I apologize for my wrong English, but I'll try to explain how I do this kind of work. I do the job you want between a PC with MS DOS Kermit 3.14 and a VME system running Versados (OS by Motorola that have command almost like DOS) I send files into a known directory in my host : 100.KERMIT after that I clear the Host Kermit server by the appropriates command, then I output a command to the host that make a DIR of the directory into a known file : output {DIR 100.KERMIT.*.*,100.KERMIT.DIRTXT.SA} Then I put the host into Kermit Server and I get the DIRTXT.SA file on the PC. The I open and read the file and compare the filenames I want to send and the filenames really received by the host. It is a little bit more complicated because I use DOS command to create a file with the name of files I want to send : DIR *.SND /B > WILLSEND.TXT then open the file WILLSEND.TXT, read two or three times to eliminate lines not needed the effectively read the filename to send into a variable (\%r) then send \%r with a loop until EOF. Into the loop, I create dynamic macro using _assign File\%n Yes (or No) as the send command is fail or success with \%n equal to the number of the file to be sended. I hope that my explainations are not confusing. ====================================================== == Dominique == do11@calvacom.fr == Paris == France == ====================================================== From news@columbia.edu Wed Mar 6 05:19:30 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id FAA24571 for ; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 05:19:29 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id FAA19802 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 05:19:26 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!cmcl2!newsjunkie.ans.net!newsfeeds.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.dacom.co.kr!nntp.coast.net!oleane!calvacom!newsmaster From: do11@calvacom.fr (Dominique Ottello) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Get transfer window frozen without exit Date: Tue, 05 Mar 1996 18:28:09 GMT Organization: CalvaCom Networks Lines: 26 Message-ID: <313c790f.5287025@news.calvacom.fr> References: <313b1dda.1430192@news.calvacom.fr> <1996Mar4.200819.75840@cc.usu.edu> Reply-To: do11@calvacom.fr NNTP-Posting-Host: par02.calvacom.fr X-Newsreader: Forte Agent .99d/16.182 jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) wrote: > I would guess the other side is not running a Kermit >server or there is a mismatch of flow control kinds along the >path. line : output {TRANSFER\13K\13K\13},input 60 {then reconnect},- in transfer macro is to put host into Kermit Server and the input waiting is to be sure that the host is correctly set in server. >You can abandon the file transfer by following instructions >at the bottom of the file transfer screen; press X or Z keys. You are right, but how to do the same without manual intervention i.e. in automatic process ? My question was : Is there any time-out setting for the get command ? I saw in another post that the disk cache can give problems causing by disk access. I have Smartdrv active but only in reading, not in writing and the get command do disk access anytime to save the file to get. ====================================================== == Dominique == do11@calvacom.fr == Paris == France == ====================================================== From news@columbia.edu Wed Mar 6 10:41:39 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA04805 for ; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 10:41:38 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA17192 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 10:41:34 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit 3.14 + Kanji = troubles Date: 6 Mar 1996 15:41:12 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 39 Message-ID: <4hkbmo$gou@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4hf5q8$fkj@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , The Pinhead wrote: : In article <4hf5q8$fkj@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> : fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: : : What Kermit, what version? : : MSKermit 3.14 : ... : The host application is definitely using shift-jis. : ... : This still didn't work. Section 8.6 is confusing because I have little : knowledge of IBM's code pages other than what is written in Ken Lunde's : O'Reilly book. I tried: : : set file character-set shift-jis : set terminal bytesize 8 : set parity none : set terminal character-set transparent : : to no avail.... :( : set file character-set shift-jis <-- (Irrelevant) set terminal bytesize 8 <-- Yes, you need this set parity none <-- Ditto set terminal character-set transparent <-- Ditto This is exactly the set of commands you need. If it doesn't work, that most likely means that CP982 is not the active code page, or that you don't have DOS/V in Japanese mode. Another possibility is that the host that you are connecting to is not itself in 8-bit mode. For example, if it were a SunOS 4.x system, you would need to tell it to: stty pass8 before you could see 8-bit characters (the Kanji bytes of Shift-JIS have their 8th bits set to 1). Use the equivalent command ("stty cs8" or whatever) on other versions of UNIX or other operating systems. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Mar 6 11:02:19 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA07515 for ; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 11:02:19 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA17830 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 11:02:17 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Auto Delete Files after sending in kermit Date: 6 Mar 1996 16:02:02 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 48 Message-ID: <4hkctq$hcs@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <826038248.2742@skiving.demon.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <826038248.2742@skiving.demon.co.uk>, Dave Cook wrote: : Probably an easy answer to this one but I cant find it, how do I get : Kermit to remove files as it sends them. If modem drops the connection : when executing 'send *.snd' I dont know how many where sent, if any, and : how many I need to resend. Unfortunately I have to turn the display off so : cant watch the fancy screen of bytes transferred. : There are many ways to do this. If you are using Kermit 95, you can use the MOVE command to send files and delete each one after -- and if and only if -- it was sent successfully. The same is true of C-Kermit 5A(192), which is currently in development but not released yet. MOVE has exactly the same syntax as SEND. There is also an MMOVE command that has the same syntax as MSEND. The second way, which works with MS-DOS Kermit and with earlier versions of C-Kermit, and I think also with IBM mainframe Kermit and perhaps others as well, is to tell the file receiver to SET FILE COLLISION DISCARD. This makes the file receiver refuse to accept any incoming file that has the same name as an existing file. When you use this technique, be sure to also "set file incomplete discard", to make sure any file that was incompletely transferred is not kept, thereby forcing it to be retransmitted in its entirety. The third way is to use the RESEND command of MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 or C-Kermit 5A(190). This will not only skip over files that were already completely transferred and transfer those that were not yet transferred, but it will also resume transfer of the interrupted file (if any) from the point of interruption. However, RESEND only works for binary-mode transfers. Read about the RESEND command in your KERMIT.UPD or ckermit.upd file. A fourth way is to write a script program to send the desired list of files, and after each SEND command put "if success delete xxx" (where xxx is the filename, or a variable containing the filename). A fifth way is to "log transactions" and then read the transaction log to find out which files were transferred successfully and which were not, and then make a command file to transfer the remaining ones. You should also read about SET FILE COLLISION UPDATE, which lets you "send *.*" or whatever, but only those files that changed since last time are transferred. Take your pick. Most of this material is documented in the appropriate "Using..." book, and the newer material is documented in the supplemental UPD files that come with the software. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Mar 6 13:53:21 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA28013 for ; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 13:53:20 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id NAA22880 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 13:53:17 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!imci5!pull-feed.internetmci.com!news.internetMCI.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.mathworks.com!zombie.ncsc.mil!nntp.coast.net!oleane!calvacom!newsmaster From: do11@calvacom.fr (Dominique Ottello) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Auto Delete Files after sending in kermit Date: Wed, 06 Mar 1996 16:00:58 GMT Organization: CalvaCom Networks Lines: 117 Message-ID: <313db59b.462468@news.calvacom.fr> References: <826038248.2742@skiving.demon.co.uk> Reply-To: do11@calvacom.fr NNTP-Posting-Host: par05.calvacom.fr X-Newsreader: Forte Agent .99d/16.182 Dave Cook wrote: >Probably an easy answer to this one but I cant find it, how do I get >Kermit to remove files as it sends them. If modem drops the connection >when executing 'send *.snd' I dont know how many where sent, if any, and >how many I need to resend. Unfortunately I have to turn the display off so >cant watch the fancy screen of bytes transferred. Better than my first explaination, here is the procédure I use ; Replacement for send *.xxx because in case of transfer failure ; it is impossible to know what file is in transfer error ; Of course, this procedure takes more time but gives informations ; about files not tranferred between the PC and the Host ; The result state of files transfer will be int the DOS file ; defined here after with variable Res_Send ; ; -+- Definitions of user variables -+- ; To be modified according your needs ; Complete path where the file to send are (without ending \) define My_Path C:\MUSIC\SOUND\HOMESND ; Mask of files to send define Mask *.SND ; Complete path of file where to put the result of DIR define Res_Dir C:\KERMIT\DIRTXT.TXT ; Complete path of file where to put the result of files transfer define Res_Send C:\KERMIT\RESSEND.TXT ; ; Suppression of result files if exist \m(Res_Dir) run del \m(Res_Dir) if exist \m(Res_Send) run del \m(Res_Send) ; ; Reading list of files to send into a file run dir \m(My_Path)\{92}\m(Mask) /B > \m(Res_Dir) ; ; Hereafter your procedure to put the host into Kermit Server ; mine is : output {TRANSFER\13K\13K\13} ; input 60 {then reconnect} ; ; Do not show the transfer window (if you want) set file display quiet ; ; Definition of variables ; \%n : number of files ; \%r : number of retries for each file ; File_\%n : state of transfer (OK or Error) for each file define \%n 1 define \%r 1 open read \m(Res_Dir) ; :Read_Loop read File_To_Send if failure goto EOF assign File_To_Send \m(My_Path)\{92}\m(File_To_Send) ; :ReSend echo {\Frpad(\m(File_To_Send),40, ) Trial : \%r} send \m(File_To_Send) if failure goto Fail_Send ; _define File_Not_OK_\%n ; Deletion of file if correct send run del \m(File_To_Send) ; :Inc_Loop define \%r 1 increment \%n goto Read_Loop ; :Fail_Send increment \%r ; Max of 5 send retries for each file if not > \%r 5 goto Resend ; Too more retries for this file _assign File_Not_OK_\%n \m(File_To_Send) goto Inc_Loop ; :EOF close read-file decrement \%n ; Hereafter your procedure to exit form host Kermit Server ; mine is : finish ; output Q\13 ; input = ; ; Testing of transfer state for each file echo if > \%n 0 goto Test_Send echo {There is no file \m(My_Path)\{92}\m(Mask) to send} run echo There is no file \m(My_Path)\{92}\m(Mask) to send > \m(Res_Send) echo goto End_Send ; :Test_Send define Send_Error No define \%a 1 :State_Loop assign Foo if not defined File_Not_OK_\%a goto Inc_State do Foo define Send_Error Yes echo {Transfer error for file : \m(File_Not_OK_\%a)} run echo Transfer error for file : \m(File_Not_OK_\%a) >> \m(Res_Send) :Inc_State increment \%a if not > \%a \%n goto State_Loop if equal \m(Send_Error) Yes goto End_Send run echo No transfer error for \m(My_Path)\{92}\m(Mask) files > \m(Res_Send) :End_Send echo ====================================================== == Dominique == do11@calvacom.fr == Paris == France == ====================================================== From news@columbia.edu Wed Mar 6 15:11:09 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA07008 for ; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 15:11:04 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id PAA25312 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 15:10:54 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!pravda.aa.msen.com!nntp.coast.net!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.pe.net!news.corpcomm.net!newstand.syr.edu!usenet From: vefatica@syr.edu (Vincent Fatica) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-Kermit with dial-up service Date: Wed, 06 Mar 1996 02:51:12 GMT Organization: Syracuse University Lines: 24 Message-ID: <313cfbaf.338194696@128.230.1.4> References: <4hilv5$6ee@wariat.wariat.org> Reply-To: vefatica@syr.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: sudial6-233.syr.edu X-Newsreader: Forte Agent .99d/32.182 woodman@apk.net wrote: >I have a Unix workstation with C-Kermit and I'm trying to use to dial in to a service provider for >Email. Is there any one out there that has any experience using C-Kermit with success in such >a situation ?? There are a few of us out here. What service does the provider provide? If it's internet access, you shouldn't be calling with Kermit. If it provides dial-up access to a shell account (where you would login and then start a mail program) or to some automated interactive dialog (like a BBS) then Kermit will do it. If Kermit is appropriate, and you're looking to "automate" the process, then you'll probably need more information about Kermit's scripting than you'll get here and you might consider getting the book "Using C-Kermit". For info, visit: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ - Vince ___ Vincent Fatica Syracuse University Mathematics vefatica@syr.edu http://barnyard.syr.edu/~vefatica/ From news@columbia.edu Wed Mar 6 20:12:35 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA10966 for ; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 20:12:34 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id UAA03968 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 20:12:33 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!news.new-york.net!news.wctc.net!chi-news.cic.net!nntp.coast.net!zombie.ncsc.mil!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!skiving.demon.co.uk From: Dave Cook Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Auto Delete Files after sending in kermit Date: Wed, 06 Mar 1996 09:33:36 GMT Lines: 7 Message-ID: <826104816.22960@skiving.demon.co.uk> References: <826038248.2742@skiving.demon.co.uk> <313c8074.7180125@news.calvacom.fr> NNTP-Posting-Host: skiving.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: skiving.demon.co.uk X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (Windows; I; 16bit) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Thanks for the reply Dominique, but unfortunately the host server is the RACAL Healthlink which I dont have access to, so I cant do a DIR of the host. Dave Cook From news@columbia.edu Wed Mar 6 22:31:39 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA21891 for ; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 22:31:38 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id WAA07429 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 22:31:36 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!pipeline!newsjunkie.ans.net!newsfeeds.ans.net!news-w.ans.net!newsfeeds.ans.net!chi-news.cic.net!newsxfer2.itd.umich.edu!agate!dog.ee.lbl.gov!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Help with kermit 3.14 & Win 95, please. Message-ID: <1996Mar6.155229.76029@cc.usu.edu> Date: 6 Mar 96 15:52:29 MDT References: <4hcta2$hsm@cc.joensuu.fi> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 27 In article <4hcta2$hsm@cc.joensuu.fi>, hounsell@cc.joensuu.fi (Paul Hounsell) writes: > Hello all > > Sorry to bring this up again but I have lost the messages where the > answers where given and I have had no luck trying to find them on the net. > I need to get MSK working with with Windows 95, both with a modem and > a network card. Note these are different machines. I know this has been > answered but I have miss placed the solutions and I did not find the answers > in the web pages for kermit. I really think this should be included as > there are going to be many of us needing this information. ----------- For serial connections just run it with the existing .PIF suggestions. Works fine. For networking you must be much more specific. I'll offer a couple of suggestions. MSK runs fine with a Packet Driver (+ winpkt under Windows), and with 16-bit ODI (with Windows add ODIPKT and WINPKT) drivers and with 16-bit NDIS drivers with DISPKT9 (windows add WINPKT). It does not work with 32-bit Win95 clients at this time, with perhaps one exception. That exception is Dan Lanciani's shim NDIS3PKT.ZIP (archive file name), but I have not yet used it. I strongly recommend against trying to multiplex TCP traffic between TCP/IP stacks, but if you do so then problems become yours alone to solve. Otherwise, only one TCP/IP stack over one board. I run MSK in Windows 95 in my student open labs. We use Novell's VLM ODI drivers (16-bit) and I put ODIPKT and WINPKT on the top for Windows usage. Works like a charm here, even if I do have a slight bias. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Thu Mar 7 05:07:25 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id FAA22187 for ; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 05:07:24 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id FAA16649 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 05:07:21 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!s.psych.uiuc.edu!gcollier From: gcollier@s.psych.uiuc.edu (Geoff Collier) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Help:file transfer from Vax to PC errors Date: 6 Mar 1996 18:12:04 GMT Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 15 Message-ID: <4hkkhk$a2s@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: s.psych.uiuc.edu Summary: I'm having various problems. Keywords: vax, pc kermit X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 #6 HELP needed: I am trying to transfer files from a vax to a 286 pc across a 9600 Baud university connection. I am using an old DOS version of kermit (2.31, C 1988). I get various errors, particularly for larger files. Sometimes I get "unable to receive", sometimes I get other transmission failure errors. This seems to happen mostly with this large zipped file I have. Any suggestions? Would a more recent vintageof kermit (dos) solve these problems? Where can I get a more recent version? For that matter, what is the most recent dos version. I can also run windows 3.0, or windows 95 if I can figure out how to get my laptop hooked up to the serial connector. Thansk in advance, Geoff Collier From news@columbia.edu Thu Mar 7 12:38:05 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA12355 for ; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 12:38:04 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id MAA15621 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 12:37:57 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Announcing Kermit 95 version 1.1.4 Date: 7 Mar 1996 17:37:36 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 35 Message-ID: <4hn6t0$f80@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Here is the small patch that was promised last week. It brings Kermit 95 up to version 1.1.4. The changes are: 1. The problem with the coloration of the initial screen, introduced in version 1.1.3, is fixed. 2. A new method of treating colors, compatible with MS-DOS Kermit's, has been added. This allows Kermit 95 to be used with certain host applications that depended on MS-DOS Kermit's original and default treatment of fore- and background colors when responding to "reset attributes" and clear-screen directives from the host. 3. Kermit 95 can now print to PostScript printers. 4. Redialing on SET HOST / SET MODEM connections now works. Plus a couple of tiny bugs are also fixed. See BUGS.DOC and DOCS\UPDATES.DOC for details. Version 1.1.4 can be ordered in shrink-wrapped or bulk- or site-licensed form from Columbia University. All orders received starting today will be filled with version 1.1.4. Find ordering information at: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html Current registered users of Kermit 95 can download the 1.1.4 upgrade patch from our BBS (you have the number) or from our ftp or Web site: ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/k95/patches/ http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95patches.html And now on to the GUI... - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Mar 8 03:20:49 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id DAA11895 for ; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 03:20:48 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id DAA05775 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 03:20:45 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.mindlink.net!van-bc!unixg.ubc.ca!nntp.cs.ubc.ca!psgrain!solace!nntp.uio.no!terje.johnsen From: terje.johnsen@fys.uio.no (Terje Johnsen) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: How to set data bit and stop bit? Date: 7 Mar 1996 17:11:30 GMT Organization: Dept. of Physics, University of Oslo Lines: 11 Sender: terjej@ulrik.uio.no (Terje Johnsen) Message-ID: <4hn5c2$5oa@ratatosk.uio.no> NNTP-Posting-Host: gran.uio.no I am using a HP 700 series workstation, where I try to get in contact with an instrument that requires 8 data bits and 1 stop bit. When I run kermit I have not found any command that I can use to set this. Can anyone help a novice kermit user? Terje From news@columbia.edu Fri Mar 8 03:20:50 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id DAA11897 for ; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 03:20:49 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id DAA05777 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 03:20:45 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.hughes.net!rcp6.elan.af.mil!newshub.nosc.mil!dog.ee.lbl.gov!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Auto Delete Files after sending in kermit Message-ID: <1996Mar5.181149.75965@cc.usu.edu> Date: 5 Mar 96 18:11:49 MDT References: <826038248.2742@skiving.demon.co.uk> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 22 In article <826038248.2742@skiving.demon.co.uk>, Dave Cook writes: > Probably an easy answer to this one but I cant find it, how do I get > Kermit to remove files as it sends them. If modem drops the connection > when executing 'send *.snd' I dont know how many where sent, if any, and > how many I need to resend. Unfortunately I have to turn the display off so > cant watch the fancy screen of bytes transferred. > > In Anticipation of a kermit genious ---------- Please don't stop breathing in the meanwhile. Kermit doesn't gratituously delete files. You have to delete files, if you so desire. MSK does provide a transaction log which describes the state of files transferred; turn on by LOG TRANSACTION . You can write a Kermit script to parse the log (it is simple ASCII). If you can arrange it then the better approach is to tell the other end to reject files which already exist: SET FILE COLLISION NO-SUPERSEDE or whatever the syntax is of that Kermit, and also SET FILE INCOMPLETE DISCARD. That way partial transfers are cleaned out on the far end and resending files will cause copies to be rejected immediately (but each candidate file is started anyway). Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Fri Mar 8 09:38:55 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA19379 for ; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 09:38:54 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id JAA02006 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 09:38:52 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!imci5!pull-feed.internetmci.com!news.internetMCI.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!dog.ee.lbl.gov!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: How to set data bit and stop bit? Message-ID: <1996Mar7.114249.76075@cc.usu.edu> Date: 7 Mar 96 11:42:49 MDT References: <4hn5c2$5oa@ratatosk.uio.no> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 13 In article <4hn5c2$5oa@ratatosk.uio.no>, terje.johnsen@fys.uio.no (Terje Johnsen) writes: > I am using a HP 700 series workstation, where I > try to get in contact with an instrument that > requires 8 data bits and 1 stop bit. When I run kermit > I have not found any command that I can use to > set this. > > Can anyone help a novice kermit user? > > Terje ----------- SET PARITY NONE gives just this situation. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Fri Mar 8 10:47:02 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA26999 for ; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 10:47:02 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA03545 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 10:47:00 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!dog.ee.lbl.gov!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Help:file transfer from Vax to PC errors Message-ID: <1996Mar7.114557.76076@cc.usu.edu> Date: 7 Mar 96 11:45:57 MDT References: <4hkkhk$a2s@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 23 In article <4hkkhk$a2s@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu>, gcollier@s.psych.uiuc.edu (Geoff Collier) writes: > HELP needed: I am trying to transfer files from a vax to a 286 pc > across a 9600 Baud university connection. I am using an old DOS > version of kermit (2.31, C 1988). I get various errors, particularly > for larger files. Sometimes I get "unable to receive", sometimes I > get other transmission failure errors. This seems to happen mostly > with this large zipped file I have. > Any suggestions? Would a more recent vintageof kermit (dos) > solve these problems? Where can I get a more recent version? For > that matter, what is the most recent dos version. I can also run > windows 3.0, or windows 95 if I can figure out how to get my laptop > hooked up to the serial connector. > Thansk in advance, > Geoff Collier ------------ Seems rather like a flow control problems, doesn't it. XON/XOFF needs to be implemented on both ends of the connection. The current MS-DOS Kermit is version 3.14. As always, please go to KERMIT.COLUMBIA.EDU for Kermit files. When there look in kermit/msdos for binary file msvibm.zip as the current quick-start kit. Also please ask your VAX system manager to update their copy of CKermit/VMS (and delete the ancient Kermit-32 object). Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Fri Mar 8 22:17:59 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA09181 for ; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 22:17:58 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id WAA20282 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 22:17:56 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!imci5!pull-feed.internetmci.com!news.internetMCI.com!news-admin From: 0002016821@mcimail.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Problem with kermit Date: 8 Mar 1996 17:42:06 GMT Organization: InternetMCI Lines: 8 Message-ID: <4hprhe$f9l@news.internetmci.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: dialup515.washington.mci.net I am trying to send a file to my HP-48 using kermit. When the file gets to be larger than about 12k it bombs out I am sending at 9600 baud. Is there some sort of buffer that I don't know about ? tia Kevin J Murphy From news@columbia.edu Fri Mar 8 23:03:10 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA12550 for ; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 23:03:10 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id XAA21303 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 23:03:07 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.cloud9.net!news.sprintlink.net!wizard.pn.com!dns.crocker.com!calweb!hsouders From: hsouders@calweb.com (Harry Souders) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit 95 & Scripting Date: Fri, 08 Mar 96 18:05:12 GMT Organization: CalWeb Internet Services, Inc. Lines: 41 Message-ID: <4hp110$g60@news.calweb.com> References: <4heon9$79d@news.calweb.com> <4hhk6i$cpn@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: sac2-66.calweb.com X-Newsreader: News Xpress 2.0 Beta #0 In article <4hhk6i$cpn@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) wrote: >In article <4heon9$79d@news.calweb.com>, >Harry Souders wrote: >: I would like get get Kermit 95 in order to automate calls to bulletin >: boards via landline and telnet. I have so far been unable to find a list >: of commands for the scripting language in Kermit95. Does anyone know >: where I can get a list of the commands available and a short description >: of what each does? >: >If you ordered Kermit 95 from us or bought it in a store, it came in a box >with two manuals. The thicker of the two has three chapters on script >programming. I have not ordered Kermit 95. I am looking for a good communications program to use mostly for automated unattended telnet and landline calls into bulletin boards. Qmodem for Win95 may work as might the new Procomm Plus v3.0. Kermit came highly recommended from a friends whose opinion I trust. I what I am looking for is a brief list of the commands and a very brief explaination of what they do. I'd just like to know what Kermit95 can and cannot do as far as scripting is concerned. Some things I would want to the scripting language to be able to do are: - waitfor with multiple while statements. In other words the scripts waits for a certain text, but will branch to other subroutines if other designaged text is encountered (kinda hard to explain) -From the command line: would want to start kermit95, have it run a designated script, then have kermit95 shut down. -Would like to read in text files, manipulate the data, and write it to another text file. ie. some simple parsing, date manipulation, etc. -Basically, if kermit95 can do most of the scripting things my old procomm plus 4 windoze ASPECT scripting language can then I should be more than happy with it. From checking out the www pages on kermit95 it has more than enough features for me, I just do not know much about its scripting capabilities. From news@columbia.edu Sat Mar 9 03:53:14 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id DAA05346 for ; Sat, 9 Mar 1996 03:53:13 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id DAA27278 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 9 Mar 1996 03:53:09 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!nrchh45.rich.nt.com!bcarh189.bnr.ca!nott!torn!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.dacom.co.kr!news.kigam.re.kr!xpat.postech.ac.kr!xpat.com!cyberspam!not-for-mail Date: 9 Mar 1996 07:22:27 GMT From: iscmiramar_a@ppp.com (iscMiramar Associates) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Message-ID: Control: cancel <4hr116$5tl@taurus.adnc.com> Subject: cmsg cancel <4hr116$5tl@taurus.adnc.com> Approved: jem@xpat.com X-Cancelled-By: jem@xpat.com Lines: 3 EMP/ECP (aka SPAM) cancelled by jem@xpat.com. See news.admin.net-abuse.announce, report 19960309.14 for further details From news@columbia.edu Sat Mar 9 10:01:57 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA11544 for ; Sat, 9 Mar 1996 10:01:56 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA22619 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 9 Mar 1996 10:01:55 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit 95 & Scripting Date: 9 Mar 1996 15:01:46 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 56 Message-ID: <4hs6gq$m2o@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4heon9$79d@news.calweb.com> <4hhk6i$cpn@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <4hp110$g60@news.calweb.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4hp110$g60@news.calweb.com>, Harry Souders wrote: : I am looking for a good communications program to use mostly for automated : unattended telnet and landline calls into bulletin boards. Qmodem for Win95 : may work as might the new Procomm Plus v3.0. Kermit came highly recommended : from a friends whose opinion I trust. : : I what I am looking for is a brief list of the commands and a very brief : explaination of what they do. I'd just like to know what Kermit95 can and : cannot do as far as scripting is concerned. : : Some things I would want to the scripting language to be able to do are: : : - waitfor with multiple while statements. In other words the scripts : waits for a certain text, but will branch to other subroutines if other : designaged text is encountered (kinda hard to explain) : Yes. The command is MINPUT {string 1} {string 2} ... : -From the command line: would want to start kermit95, have it run a : designated script, then have kermit95 shut down. : Yes. : -Would like to read in text files, manipulate the data, and write it to : another text file. ie. some simple parsing, date manipulation, etc. : Yes. : -Basically, if kermit95 can do most of the scripting things my old : procomm plus 4 windoze ASPECT scripting language can then I should be : more than happy with it. From checking out the www pages on kermit95 it : has more than enough features for me, I just do not know much about its : scripting capabilities. : The scripting language is one of its strongest features. It has file i/o and management, variables, arrays, arithmetic, built-in functions for string manipulation and other purposes, built-in variables for things like date and time, FOR and WHILE loops, IF-ELSE, etc etc. There's not much you can't do with it. To get an idea, Kermit 95's host mode is written entirely as a Kermit script. So is the host-mode management program. What's more, the script language is portable across hundreds of platforms, so scripts that you develop for Windows 95 or NT can also be run with little or no modification on UNIX, VMS, OS/2, MS-DOS, and Windows 3.x, and so on. Kermit 95's script language is the same as C-Kermit's, so if you have access to a relatively recent version of C-Kermit on, say, UNIX or VMS, you can try it there. The current C-Kermit version is 5A(190), with 5A(192) in Beta test. The manual is not on line -- it's a (pair of) published book(s). One of them is "Using C-Kermit", which covers the many OSs where C-Kermit runs. You can find it for sale in most computer stores -- just leaf through Chapters 11-13 to get an idea of what's available. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sat Mar 9 15:21:39 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA10276 for ; Sat, 9 Mar 1996 15:21:38 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id PAA28648 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 9 Mar 1996 15:21:36 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!gordius!news.service.uci.edu!usenet From: Phasing Camera System Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Raw Ascii Uploads with kermit Date: 9 Mar 1996 03:54:37 GMT Organization: University of California, Irvine Lines: 13 Message-ID: <4hqvdt$dqb@news.service.uci.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: nebula.ps.uci.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (X11; I; SunOS 4.1.1 sun4) To: mtroy@uci.edu X-URL: news:comp.protocols.kermit.misc Help, I am running kermit on a OpenVMS machine which is connected to a microprocessor via the serial port. Usually, we use kermit to communicate with the microprocessor. However, we know need to to a "raw" ascii file upload to the microprocessor. Is there a way to do this with kermit? Thanks, Mitch troy mtroy@uci.edu From news@columbia.edu Sat Mar 9 16:12:46 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA15048 for ; Sat, 9 Mar 1996 16:12:45 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id QAA29751 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 9 Mar 1996 16:12:44 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Raw Ascii Uploads with kermit Date: 9 Mar 1996 21:12:28 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 27 Message-ID: <4hss7s$t1k@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4hqvdt$dqb@news.service.uci.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4hqvdt$dqb@news.service.uci.edu>, Phasing Camera System wrote: : Help, : I am running kermit on a OpenVMS machine which is : connected to a microprocessor via the serial port. : Usually, we use kermit to communicate with the : microprocessor. However, we know need to to a : "raw" ascii file upload to the microprocessor. : : Is there a way to do this with kermit? You don't specify which Kermits you are using but SET FILE TYPE BINARY should work. In the current releases of MS-DOS Kermit, C-Kermit and Kermit-95 you only need to tell the Sender or client side when using server mode. Earlier versions will require that you specify the file type on both sides of the transfer. Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 * 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 * (212) 854-1344 C-Kermit 5A(191) for OS/2: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cko191.html Kermit 95 for Windows 95 : http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html From news@columbia.edu Sat Mar 9 16:50:52 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA18609 for ; Sat, 9 Mar 1996 16:50:52 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id QAA00658 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 9 Mar 1996 16:50:49 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Raw Ascii Uploads with kermit Date: 9 Mar 1996 21:50:39 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 19 Message-ID: <4hsuff$kc@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4hqvdt$dqb@news.service.uci.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4hqvdt$dqb@news.service.uci.edu>, Phasing Camera System wrote: : I am running kermit on a OpenVMS machine which is : connected to a microprocessor via the serial port. : Usually, we use kermit to communicate with the : microprocessor. However, we know need to to a : "raw" ascii file upload to the microprocessor. : : Is there a way to do this with kermit? : You mean you want to send a file to the microprocessor without any protocol? Sure, you can do it. The command is TRANSMIT, and it is documented in Chapter 10 of the manual, "Using C-Kermit". Works best if you have some kind of flow control effective at both ends, but since there is no error detection or recovery, there can be no guarantees that what is sent is what is received. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sat Mar 9 19:15:07 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA01688 for ; Sat, 9 Mar 1996 19:15:05 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id TAA03620 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 9 Mar 1996 19:15:02 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!info.ucla.edu!csulb.edu!csus.edu!csusac!charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu!zippy From: zippy@hairball.ecst.csuchico.edu (The Pinhead) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit 3.14 + Kanji = troubles Date: 09 Mar 1996 06:44:19 GMT Organization: California State University, Chico Lines: 32 Message-ID: References: <4hf5q8$fkj@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <4hkbmo$gou@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: hairball.ecst.csuchico.edu In-reply-to: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu's message of 06 Mar 1996 07:41:12 -0800 In article <4hkbmo$gou@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: set file character-set shift-jis <-- (Irrelevant) set terminal bytesize 8 <-- Yes, you need this set parity none <-- Ditto set terminal character-set transparent <-- Ditto This is exactly the set of commands you need. If it doesn't work, that most likely means that CP982 is not the active code page, or that you don't have DOS/V in Japanese mode. Another possibility is that the host that you are connecting to is not itself in 8-bit mode. For example, if it were a SunOS 4.x system, you would need to tell it to: stty pass8 before you could see 8-bit characters (the Kanji bytes of Shift-JIS have their 8th bits set to 1). Use the equivalent command ("stty cs8" or whatever) on other versions of UNIX or other operating systems. You've been really helpful, Frank! Thanks... However, just one problem remains... MSKermit 3.14 seems to be remapping the line drawing characters. The application is an ACUCobol program in shift-jis mode. Using CKermit 5A(190) under Linux with Japanese extentions, the line drawing character 0xc4 displays properly as a horizontal bar, but under MSKermit 3.14 it displays as the katakana character "to" (0x44). Any thoughts or ideas? -- Ronald Cole E-mail: ronald@ridgecrest.ca.us Software Architect zippy@ecst.csuchico.edu "You cannot propel yourself forward by patting yourself on the back." From news@columbia.edu Sat Mar 9 23:35:29 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA22371 for ; Sat, 9 Mar 1996 23:35:28 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id XAA08318 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 9 Mar 1996 23:35:26 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!imci5!imci4!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!news.dfn.de!news.dkrz.de!news.rrz.uni-hamburg.de!news.Hanse.DE!mwhh!ranahh.hanse.de!vgrote From: vgrote@ranahh.hanse.de (Volkmar Grote) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: How to get string with '\' into take script? Distribution: world Message-ID: <31418faf.52414e414848@ranahh.hanse.de> Date: Sat, 09 Mar 1996 15:03:27 +0100 Organization: Hanse Networking eV, Hamburg X-Newsreader: rnr v2.13 X-Posting-Software: UUPC/extended 1.12k inews (11Dec94 12:33) Lines: 25 I have built a little mail interface to a paging service and I use Kermit (5A/190 on BSD/OS 2.0.1) to make the call to the mailbox. The paging service uses 7 bit ASCII with NRCS, so I end up with an unpredictable number of backslashes for the capital "O Umlaut". These characters arrive in their 8 bit form on my Unix box in the "Subject:" line, I build the string with the pager number and the checksum and feed it to a take script. I am already successful in handling embedded '\'s, like in "R\DEL", (with 16 successive '\'s in an sed command) but characters at the beginning or the end of a word and groups of multiple backslashes don't come through. :-( Can I prevent Kermit from interpreting the '\'s? Or can I substitute them on the command line so they come out correctly in the output commands? Volkmar -- vgrote@ranahh.hanse.DE Volkmar Grote, Gilbertstrasse 25, D-22767 Hamburg, Germany, +49-40-31 33 39 "I want to die peacefully in my sleep, just like my grandfather... Not screaming in terror, like his passengers!" (jbs@asns.tredydev.unisys.com) From news@columbia.edu Sun Mar 10 07:51:01 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA15392 for ; Sun, 10 Mar 1996 07:50:59 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id HAA06987 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 10 Mar 1996 07:50:57 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!nntp.coast.net!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!news.mel.connect.com.au!wantree.com.au!news From: mah@wantree.com.au (Mark Huxley) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Last Hope - Honeywell & Kermit Date: 10 Mar 1996 08:45:44 GMT Organization: Wantree Development Lines: 13 Message-ID: <4hu4ro$hm7@tandem.wantree.com.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: dialin3.wantree.com.au X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.92.6+ One last try, Just in case the request was missed, Does anybody know how to configure Kermit to perform a file transfer with a Honeywell DPS-6.? Thanks in advance. PS. Last ditch effort. If it helps, I can raise the stakes to include a fine WA beer or wine ! Cheers Mark, desperate of Perth From news@columbia.edu Sun Mar 10 13:30:50 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA03028 for ; Sun, 10 Mar 1996 13:30:49 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id NAA13135 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 10 Mar 1996 13:30:47 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.mindlink.net!van-bc!unixg.ubc.ca!info.ucla.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!panix!not-for-mail From: mgflax@panix.com (Marshall G. Flax) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit95 and 3.13/3.14 keymaping files Date: 10 Mar 1996 13:21:16 -0500 Organization: Currently, _extremely_ disorganized Lines: 8 Message-ID: <4hv6is$4d4@panix.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: panix.com I have a lot of effort in a 3.13/3.14 "take" file with lots of "set key ..." commands. I didn't see any note on the web site indicating whether this will be portable to Kermit95. My apologies if this is answered in some FAQ file somewhere. Marshall -- [Marshall G. Flax -- mgflax@panix.com] From news@columbia.edu Sun Mar 10 14:44:39 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA09220 for ; Sun, 10 Mar 1996 14:44:38 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id OAA14532 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 10 Mar 1996 14:44:36 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!hamblin.math.byu.edu!park.uvsc.edu!news.cc.utah.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Raw Ascii Uploads with kermit Message-ID: <1996Mar10.072737.76292@cc.usu.edu> Date: 10 Mar 96 07:27:37 MDT References: <4hqvdt$dqb@news.service.uci.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 13 In article <4hqvdt$dqb@news.service.uci.edu>, Phasing Camera System writes: > Help, > I am running kermit on a OpenVMS machine which is > connected to a microprocessor via the serial port. > Usually, we use kermit to communicate with the > microprocessor. However, we know need to to a > "raw" ascii file upload to the microprocessor. > > Is there a way to do this with kermit? ------------ The TRANSMIT filename command is what you want, and it's documented in the manual. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sun Mar 10 14:44:39 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA09221 for ; Sun, 10 Mar 1996 14:44:38 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id OAA14534 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 10 Mar 1996 14:44:36 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!cssun.mathcs.emory.edu!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!ns2.spectra.net!pm154 From: richteel@spectra.net (Richard Teel) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit Protocol? Date: Sun, 10 Mar 96 16:21:43 GMT Organization: Spectra.Net Communications, Inc. Lines: 24 Message-ID: <4hv024$26f@ns2.spectra.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: pm154.spectra.net X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #3 I have a Psion 3a. The Psion 3a is a PDA. There are several terminal programs for the Psion however none of them supports Kermit file transfers. Many people have written to the authors of these programs to ask for Kermit file transfer. The response is none of the authors can find the Protccol for Kermit file transfer. Can someone point me in the direction to find the necessary information to write a program for Kermit file transfers. E-mail would be appreciated, because I do not regularly check this group. Thank You, Richard Teel ========================================================== e-mail: richteel@spectra.net www: http://www.spectra.net/~richteel/ Visit my homepage. It contains programs I have written for the 3a, Psion Links, hardware info, and links to my hometown, Binghamton,NY. ========================================================= From news@columbia.edu Sun Mar 10 15:38:48 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA14088 for ; Sun, 10 Mar 1996 15:38:47 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id PAA15535 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 10 Mar 1996 15:38:43 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit Protocol? Date: 10 Mar 1996 20:38:37 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 25 Message-ID: <4hvekd$f5d@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4hv024$26f@ns2.spectra.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4hv024$26f@ns2.spectra.net>, Richard Teel wrote: : I have a Psion 3a. The Psion 3a is a PDA. : There are several terminal programs for the Psion however : none of them supports Kermit file transfers. : : Many people have written to the authors of these programs : to ask for Kermit file transfer. The response is none of : the authors can find the Protccol for Kermit file transfer. : : Can someone point me in the direction to find the necessary : information to write a program for Kermit file transfers. : The preferred way to handle this situation is to have the vendor contact the Kermit Project, so that we can arrange a mutually beneficial way of incorporating Kermit protocol. Frank da Cruz Manager, The Kermit Project Columbia University 612 West 115th Street New York NY 10025-7799 USA Email: fdc@columbia.edu Fax: +1 212 662-6442 From news@columbia.edu Sun Mar 10 15:55:18 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA15590 for ; Sun, 10 Mar 1996 15:55:17 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id PAA15933 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 10 Mar 1996 15:55:15 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit95 and 3.13/3.14 keymaping files Date: 10 Mar 1996 20:54:59 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 41 Message-ID: <4hvfj3$fh3@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4hv6is$4d4@panix.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4hv6is$4d4@panix.com>, Marshall G. Flax wrote: : I have a lot of effort in a 3.13/3.14 "take" file with lots of "set key ..." : commands. I didn't see any note on the web site indicating whether this : will be portable to Kermit95. : The SET KEY command has two fields: a scan code for the key or key combo, and the definition. The syntax for the definition -- characters, strings, \Kverbs, macro invocations, etc -- should be just about 100% compatible from MS-DOS Kermit to Kermit 95. Unfortunately, the scan codes are different because the Win32 APIs return different scan codes than the PC Bios, which is what MS-DOS Kermit uses, but which is inaccessible to 32-bit protected-mode programs. We are considering, for a future release of Kermit 95, adding an "MS-DOS Kermit compatibility mode" for scan codes. This means building in a large translation table between Windows codes MS-DOS Kermit ones. Which is a necessarily tricky business, given the multiplicity of PC keyboards in the world. We recognize this is a highly desirable feature for people (or sites) that need to migrate an installed base of key-settings files from MS-DOS Kermit to Kermit 95. As there are many projects on our to-do list, most of them of great importance to some number of people, we can't guarantee a time frame for this feature. It would, of course, also be possible to write a program to convert a command file containing SET KEY commands from MS-DOS Kermit scan codes to Windows 95 ones, via table lookup. A table of MS-DOS Kermit scan codes is given in Table I-9, Appendix I, "Using MS-DOS Kermit". A somewhat dated version is also online in the file kermit/a/msvibm.key on kermit.columbia.edu. There is, however, no such table available yet for Kermit 95 -- it's just a matter of somebody sitting down for a few hours and doing a lot of SHOW KEY commands and recording the results. Anybody who would like to make this table, or write the conversion program, while waiting for the aforementioned feature to appear in Kermit 95 is welcome to do so :-) - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sun Mar 10 16:00:07 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA16025 for ; Sun, 10 Mar 1996 16:00:06 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id QAA15980 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 10 Mar 1996 16:00:02 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!newsfeed.internetmci.com!uwm.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!newsfeed.acns.nwu.edu!ftpbox!mothost!news-wa16!not-for-mail From: mitchell@mdd.comm.mot.com (Bill Mitchell) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Raw Ascii Uploads with kermit Date: 10 Mar 1996 10:11:21 -0800 Organization: Motorola - Wireless Data Group; Seattle, WA Lines: 14 Sender: mitchell@mdd.comm.mot.com (Bill Mitchell) Distribution: na Message-ID: <4hv609$1a0@bb29c.mdd.comm.mot.com> References: <4hqvdt$dqb@news.service.uci.edu> Reply-To: mitchell@mdd.comm.mot.com (Bill Mitchell) NNTP-Posting-Host: bb29c.mdd.comm.mot.com in comp.protocols.kermit.misc, Phasing Camera System said: >[...] However, we know need to to a >"raw" ascii file upload to the microprocessor. > >Is there a way to do this with kermit? I tried an email response, but it bounced. It sounds like you want the "transmit" command. Try "help transmit" for more info. -- mitchell@mdd.comm.mot.com (Bill Mitchell) From news@columbia.edu Sun Mar 10 18:47:21 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA00864 for ; Sun, 10 Mar 1996 18:47:21 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id SAA19131 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 10 Mar 1996 18:47:19 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: How to get string with '\' into take script? Date: 10 Mar 1996 23:47:14 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 46 Message-ID: <4hvpm2$ilp@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <31418faf.52414e414848@ranahh.hanse.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <31418faf.52414e414848@ranahh.hanse.de>, Volkmar Grote wrote: : I have built a little mail interface to a paging service and : I use Kermit (5A/190 on BSD/OS 2.0.1) to make the call to the mailbox. : The paging service uses 7 bit ASCII with NRCS, so I end up : with an unpredictable number of backslashes for the capital : "O Umlaut". : These characters arrive in their 8 bit form on my Unix box : in the "Subject:" line, I build the string with the pager number : and the checksum and feed it to a take script. I am already : successful in handling embedded '\'s, like in "R\DEL", (with : 16 successive '\'s in an sed command) but characters at the : beginning or the end of a word and groups of multiple backslashes : don't come through. :-( : : Can I prevent Kermit from interpreting the '\'s? Or can I : substitute them on the command line so they come out correctly : in the output commands? : I think the answer is pretty simple, if not obvious, but I am not certain because I haven't seen your script. Now suppose you have a variable \%a that contains a string which has backslashes in it. Suppose this string looks like this: a\7b\%c\\d Further suppose that \%c is defined to be a string "xyz". Then: echo \%a produces: axyz\d because, unless you say otherwise, variables are evaluated recursively. Now suppose you want to keep the backslashes (U-umlauts) intact. We have a function for that, \fcontents(): echo \fcontents(\%a) a\7b\%c\\d Does this help? - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sun Mar 10 20:02:15 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA07266 for ; Sun, 10 Mar 1996 20:02:15 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id UAA20501 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 10 Mar 1996 20:02:13 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!decwrl!hookup!news.mathworks.com!udel!news.udel.edu!not-for-mail From: trungduy@copland.udel.edu (Duy Long T Pham) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Old version of Kermit Date: 10 Mar 1996 13:17:04 -0500 Organization: University of Delaware Lines: 6 Message-ID: <4hv6b0$309@copland.udel.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: copland.udel.edu Can someone tell me where to find older version of kermit? Sound funny huh? But i donot need all the fancy thing of Ver3.18 od kermit for DOS. Because of the limited harware resource, I want the old version that fulfill just right my need. Thank a lot duy From news@columbia.edu Mon Mar 11 01:12:54 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA01066 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 1996 01:12:53 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id BAA27317 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 11 Mar 1996 01:12:51 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.eecs.umich.edu!caen!usenet.cis.ufl.edu!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!gatech!newsfeed.pitt.edu!nntp.club.cc.cmu.edu!cantaloupe.srv.cs.cmu.edu!usenet@cs.cmu.edu From: clamen@CS.CMU.EDU (Stewart M. Clamen) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: C/MS Kermit interactions Date: 10 Mar 1996 22:35:28 -0500 Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon University Lines: 24 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: gs205.sp.cs.cmu.edu X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.0.13 I am trying to get file tranfers working between a Unix machine (home) and a PC (running W95 or W3.1, I've tried both). I have C-Kermit 5A(188) on the unix box and MSK 3.14 on the PC. I use C-Kermit to dial in and connect to the PC, and get the DOS prompt (the terminal server on the PC side is supported via a DOS program called JAXHOST). To (attempt to) transfer files, I enter MSK SERVER on the PC side and the SEND cmd on the Unix side, but no packets are successfully received. What have I forgotten? It's possible, I suppose, that my terminal program, JAXHOST, is not letting the packets through. Is there a PC terminal program that works with Kermit? Thanks, -- Stewart M. Clamen clamen@cs.cmu.edu School of Computer Science -- Carnegie Mellon Univ. 5000 Forbes Avenue Pittsburgh, PA 15213-3891, USA URL: http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~clamen/ From news@columbia.edu Mon Mar 11 07:51:37 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA14082 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 1996 07:51:37 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id HAA20276 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 11 Mar 1996 07:51:33 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.eecs.umich.edu!caen!newsxfer2.itd.umich.edu!chi-news.cic.net!nntp.coast.net!torn!uunet.ca!news.uunet.ca!onlsys!andrew.vallee From: andrew.vallee@onlinesys.com (ANDREW VALLEE) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: VB3.0 Pro - ZMODEM Proto Message-ID: <8BC7068.08590001B8.uuout@onlinesys.com> Date: Sun, 10 Mar 96 01:44:00 -500 Distribution: world Organization: Online Systems Of Canada Reply-To: andrew.vallee@onlinesys.com (ANDREW VALLEE) X-Newsreader: PCBoard Version 15.22 X-Mailer: PCBoard/UUOUT Version 1.20 Lines: 13 * Crossposted from: ont.jobs I was woundering if anyone knows of a site I can FTP to to download a public domain ZModem Protocol that will work with VB Pro ver 3? If You know of a site could You please E-mail me the FTP address? Thanks in advance!! andrew.vallee@onlinesys.com ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.20 [NR] From news@columbia.edu Mon Mar 11 10:18:35 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA20589 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 1996 10:18:34 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA25695 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 11 Mar 1996 10:18:28 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Old version of Kermit Date: 11 Mar 1996 15:18:09 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 69 Message-ID: <4i1g7h$p2n@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4hv6b0$309@copland.udel.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4hv6b0$309@copland.udel.edu>, Duy Long T Pham wrote: : Can someone tell me where to find older version of kermit? : Sound funny huh? But i donot need all the fancy thing of Ver3.18 od : kermit for DOS. Because of the limited harware resource, I want the old : version that fulfill just right my need. : The current version is 3.14. This is the first version that comes in three sizes. Even the biggest one is quite small compared to other programs with the same level of functionality. Then there is a medium one with TCP/IP and graphics (Tektronix and Sixel) terminal emulation removed, it is only 160K. Unlike other software makers in today's market, we do our best to take care of people who do not have the biggest, fastest PCs :-) Anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/archives, binary mode, file msvibm.zip. If you had a previous version of MS-DOS Kermit, and you want to install the new version over it, first make safe copies of your MSCUSTOM.INI and DIALUPS.TXT files, as well as any other file you might have modified. Then unzip (with PKUNZIP or equivalent) using the "-d" switch to preserve the directory structure. Then read the top-level READ.ME file for further installation instructions. For complete, step-by-step instructions on using MS-DOS Kermit, please purchase the manual: Christine M. Gianone, "Using MS-DOS Kermit", Second Edition, Digital Press / Butterworth-Heinemann, Woburn, MA, 1992, 345 pages, ISBN 1-55558-082-3. Packaged with version 3.14 of MS-DOS Kermit for the IBM PC, PS/2, and compatibles on a 3.5-inch diskette. US single-copy price: $39.95; quantity discounts available. Available in computer bookstores or directly from: Kermit Development and Distribution Columbia University Academic Information Systems 612 West 115th Street New York NY 10025-7721 USA Voice: +1 212 854-3703 Fax: +1 212 663-8202 Email: kermit@columbia.edu Web: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ Domestic and overseas orders accepted. Price: $39.95 (US, Canada, and Mexico), $50 elsewhere. Orders may be paid by MasterCard or Visa, or prepaid by check in US dollars. Add $35 bank fee for checks not drawn on a US bank. Price includes shipping. Do not include sales tax. You can also order by phone from the publisher, Digital Press / Butterworth-Heinemann, with MasterCard, Visa, or American Express: +1 800 366-2665 (Woburn, MA office for USA & Canada, Toll-free M-F 8AM-6PM Eastern time) +1 617 928 2613 (Newton, MA office for sales/marketing info) +44 1933 414000 (Rushden, England distribution centre for UK & Europe) +44 1865 310366 (Oxford, England, customer service/sales dept) +61 (0)3 245 7370 (Melbourne, Vic, office for Australia & NZ) +65 356-1968 (Singapore office for Malaysia, Singapore, Indonesia, Philippines, Thailand) +27 (31) 2683111 (Durban office for South Africa) - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Mar 11 10:21:52 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA21023 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 1996 10:21:51 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA25797 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 11 Mar 1996 10:21:48 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C/MS Kermit interactions Date: 11 Mar 1996 15:21:36 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 26 Message-ID: <4i1ge0$p5j@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Stewart M. Clamen wrote: : I am trying to get file tranfers working between a Unix machine (home) : and a PC (running W95 or W3.1, I've tried both). I have C-Kermit : 5A(188) on the unix box and MSK 3.14 on the PC. : : I use C-Kermit to dial in and connect to the PC, and get the DOS : prompt (the terminal server on the PC side is supported via a DOS : program called JAXHOST). To (attempt to) transfer files, I enter MSK : SERVER on the PC side and the SEND cmd on the Unix side, but no : packets are successfully received. : : What have I forgotten? It's possible, I suppose, that my terminal : program, JAXHOST, is not letting the packets through. : That is probably exactly what is happening. : Is there a PC terminal program that works with Kermit? : Yes, Kermit 95. It includes a host mode that lets people dial up a Windows 95 or NT computer and transfer files (etc). You can find out all about it at: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Mar 11 12:09:24 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA04499 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 1996 12:09:23 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id MAA28294 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 11 Mar 1996 12:09:20 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!imci5!pull-feed.internetmci.com!news.internetMCI.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.dacom.co.kr!xpat.postech.ac.kr!xpat.com!cyberspam!not-for-mail Date: 11 Mar 1996 15:49:06 GMT From: andrew.vallee@onlinesys.com (ANDREW VALLEE) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Message-ID: Control: cancel <8BC7068.08590001B8.uuout@onlinesys.com> Subject: cmsg cancel <8BC7068.08590001B8.uuout@onlinesys.com> Approved: jem@xpat.com X-Cancelled-By: jem@xpat.com Lines: 3 EMP/ECP (aka SPAM) cancelled by jem@xpat.com. See news.admin.net-abuse.announce, report 19960311.21 for further details From news@columbia.edu Mon Mar 11 15:20:33 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA27894 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 1996 15:20:33 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id PAA02763 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 11 Mar 1996 15:20:28 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Last Hope - Honeywell & Kermit Date: 11 Mar 1996 20:20:11 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 51 Message-ID: <4i21tr$2l7@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4hu4ro$hm7@tandem.wantree.com.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4hu4ro$hm7@tandem.wantree.com.au>, Mark Huxley wrote: : One last try, Just in case the request was missed, Does anybody know how : to configure Kermit to perform a file transfer with a Honeywell DPS-6.? : : PS. Last ditch effort. If it helps, I can raise the stakes to include : a fine WA beer or wine ! : : Cheers : : Mark, desperate of Perth : I finally exhumed this information. From the Honeywell DPS-6 Kermit documentation (quoting): The DPS-6 has certain communication parameters that do not change and MSKermit on the microcomputer must be set for them as follows: SET PARITY EVEN SET FLOW-CONTROL NONE SET HANDSHAKE NONE SET SEND START-OF-PACKET 01 SET RECEIVE START-OF-PACKET 01 If using MS-DOS Kermit 3.02 (or later) ALSO perform the following two commands: SET TERMINAL HONEY SET RECEIVE IGNORE 10 for 3.1 operating system while using MS-DOS Kermit 3.02 (or later): SET SEND DOUBLE 92 The speed at which MSKermit can send packets to the DPS-6 (since hardware/software handshaking is not available) can actually EXCEED the turn-around capabilities of the ATD line driver and produce (^G) BEL characters as a packet response. Therefore the best way to use Kermit is to put a slight delay between packets and use the largest packet size, e.g.: SET SEND PACKET-SIZE 2000 SET RECEIVE PACKET-SIZE 2000 SET SEND PAUSE 20 This delay can be tuned for greatest throughput at different baud rates etc.. (end quote) See kermit/d/hd6ker.doc for additional info. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Mar 11 18:37:10 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA20323 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 1996 18:37:08 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id SAA07705 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 11 Mar 1996 18:37:06 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.eecs.umich.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!newsxfer2.itd.umich.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!nntp.news.primenet.com!news.primenet.com!mix.com!sluggy From: billy@mix.com Newsgroups: comp.os.rsts,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit PC/RSTS crash Date: 11 Mar 1996 14:37:01 -0700 Organization: Billy's Place Lines: 15 Sender: root@primenet.com Distribution: inet Message-ID: <4i26dt$nbq@nnrp1.news.primenet.com> References: <4h840f$mcv$1@mhafc.production.compuserve.com> <1996Mar1.205301.1@spcvxb.spc.edu> X-Posted-By: billy@usr6.primenet.com Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.os.rsts:571 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:4870 Terry Kennedy, Operations Mgr. writes: > I found and fixed a number of bugs in K11E many years ago. That's > the difference between X3.60 and T3.59. I do know there is a prob- > lem with file attributes (as I recall, it's the TYPE one) but that > should just cause the file to be rejected, not any T4's. The (sort of) documented problem here is with the system attribute on K11 prior to (I beleive) V3.49 or so. But the real problem is most likely writing past the end of some buffer - I've spent more than a little time finding and fixing all the places this can occur in the RT-11 version of this (KRT). In any event as Frank mentioned turning off the attributes is an easy work around in many cases. Billy Y.. From news@columbia.edu Tue Mar 12 12:18:22 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA26436 for ; Tue, 12 Mar 1996 12:18:21 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id MAA23927 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 12 Mar 1996 12:18:16 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!news.new-york.net!news.wctc.net!chi-news.cic.net!news.math.psu.edu!psuvax1!uwm.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!news.cais.net!netaxs.com!cmi.hahnemann.edu!news From: David Rowlands Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: How to get string with '\' into take script? Date: Tue, 12 Mar 1996 10:00:06 -0500 Organization: Hahnemann University Lines: 22 Message-ID: <31459176.41C6@dilbert.mcphu.edu> References: <31418faf.52414e414848@ranahh.hanse.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: cmi.hahnemann.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (X11; I; OSF1 V3.2 alpha) Volkmar Grote wrote: > and the checksum and feed it to a take script. I am already > successful in handling embedded '\'s, like in "R\DEL", (with > 16 successive '\'s in an sed command) but characters at the > beginning or the end of a word and groups of multiple backslashes > don't come through. :-( > > Can I prevent Kermit from interpreting the '\'s? Or can I > substitute them on the command line so they come out correctly > in the output commands? > This isn't a kermit solution but a UNIX one. If you are already using sed to remove some backslashes, why not use it to delete them all, or replace them with a space or other character? global remove of \ - sed 's/\\//g' input > output global replace of \ with space - sed 's/\\/ /g' input > output If this helps, great, if I misunderstood your problem, sorry. Dave Rowlands From news@columbia.edu Tue Mar 12 21:54:48 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA27049 for ; Tue, 12 Mar 1996 21:54:47 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id VAA03163 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 12 Mar 1996 21:54:46 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!imci5!pull-feed.internetmci.com!news.internetMCI.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!lade.news.pipex.net!pipex!news.telepac.pt!usenet From: Aquilino Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit and SLIP/PPP Date: 12 Mar 1996 15:02:51 GMT Organization: ElectroSertec Lines: 7 Message-ID: <4i43mr$pa5@vivaldi.telepac.pt> NNTP-Posting-Host: lis4_p15.telepac.pt Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (Windows; I; 16bit) Hello, I am tying top use DOS Kermit to access my Internet service provider. Could someone give me some guidelines on this process? Thanks. Aquilino < sertec@telepac.pt From news@columbia.edu Wed Mar 13 02:19:27 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id CAA19038 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 1996 02:19:26 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id CAA09012 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 13 Mar 1996 02:19:24 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!cmcl2!arlnews!zombie.ncsc.mil!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.compuserve.com!news.production.compuserve.com!news From: Dipti Turner <100322.2430@CompuServe.COM> Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: AIX4.1.4 Kermit Date: 12 Mar 1996 16:41:30 GMT Organization: Rand Information Lines: 5 Message-ID: <4i49fq$eac$1@mhadf.production.compuserve.com> Could any one please tell me from where I can download Kermit for AIX4.1.4. Thanks. Dipti From news@columbia.edu Wed Mar 13 02:53:34 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id CAA21480 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 1996 02:53:33 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id CAA09529 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 13 Mar 1996 02:53:30 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!imci5!imci4!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!ux2.cso.uiuc.edu!shair From: rmshair@uiuc.edu (Bob Shair) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: AIX4.1.4 Kermit Date: 12 Mar 1996 18:23:10 GMT Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 11 Message-ID: <4i4fee$mgc@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> References: <4i49fq$eac$1@mhadf.production.compuserve.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ux2.cso.uiuc.edu Originator: shair@ux2.cso.uiuc.edu Dipti Turner <100322.2430@CompuServe.COM> writes: >Could any one please tell me from where I can download Kermit for >AIX4.1.4. kermit.columbia.edu in /kermit/bin/ckuker.rs6aix41ckukerc -- Bob Shair Open Systems Consultant 1018 W. Springfield Avenue rmshair@uiuc.edu Champaign, IL 61821 217/356-2684 From news@columbia.edu Wed Mar 13 09:22:13 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA29965 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 1996 09:22:12 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id JAA05761 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 13 Mar 1996 09:22:09 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit and SLIP/PPP Date: 13 Mar 1996 14:21:40 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 12 Message-ID: <4i6llk$5jr@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4i43mr$pa5@vivaldi.telepac.pt> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4i43mr$pa5@vivaldi.telepac.pt>, Aquilino wrote: : Hello, : I am tying top use DOS Kermit to access my Internet service provider. : Could someone give me some guidelines on this process? : The current version of MS-DOS Kermit is 3.14. The instructions for using MS-DOS Kermit on networks, including SLIP, are in the file NETWORKS\SETUP.DOC on your MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 diskette, and the other files you might need (SLIP driver, etc) are in the same directory. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Mar 13 13:13:31 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA27830 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 1996 13:13:23 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id NAA11219 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 13 Mar 1996 13:13:22 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!imci5!pull-feed.internetmci.com!news.internetMCI.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!swrinde!sdd.hp.com!hamblin.math.byu.edu!park.uvsc.edu!news.cc.utah.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit and SLIP/PPP Message-ID: <1996Mar12.193619.76463@cc.usu.edu> Date: 12 Mar 96 19:36:19 MDT References: <4i43mr$pa5@vivaldi.telepac.pt> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 14 In article <4i43mr$pa5@vivaldi.telepac.pt>, Aquilino writes: > Hello, > I am tying top use DOS Kermit to access my Internet service provider. > Could someone give me some guidelines on this process? > Thanks. > > Aquilino < sertec@telepac.pt ------ There is quite a bit of information in the release notes for MS-DOS Kermit. Version 3.14 is current and if you don't have it please use anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu, cd kermit/msdos, get binary file msvibm.zip (the quick-start kit). Packet Drivers are present the Crynwr Collection, held on many sites including the one above. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Wed Mar 13 15:51:57 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA15877 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 1996 15:51:56 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id PAA15105 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 13 Mar 1996 15:51:54 -0500 (EST) Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec,comp.os.vms,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!news.new-york.net!spcuna!spcvxb!terry From: terry@spcvxa.spc.edu (Terry Kennedy, Operations Mgr.) Subject: Re: [Q] lk4xx keyboards on PCs X-Nntp-Posting-Host: spcvxa.spc.edu References: <4hhrp2$98k@fnnews.fnal.gov> <4hvgjf$g5g@nntpd.lkg.dec.com> <4i1lsq$ou7@nntpd.lkg.dec.com> Sender: news@spcuna.spc.edu (Network News) X-Nntp-Posting-User: TERRY Organization: St. Peter's College, US Date: Wed, 13 Mar 1996 07:46:58 GMT Message-ID: <1996Mar13.024658.1@spcvxb.spc.edu> Lines: 29 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.sys.dec:37396 comp.os.vms:122763 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:4877 In article <4i1lsq$ou7@nntpd.lkg.dec.com>, fred@extasy.enet.dec.com (Fred Kleinsorge) writes: > The LK250, and it's follow on the LK450 were designed for the PC > for users wanting LK400 keyboard functionality. The LK450 has > both the LK400 as well as the PS2 *and* the WPS gold key engravings. > The LK450 can operate in multiple modes to allow each set of > engravings to operate when connected to a PC (with the proper > keyboard driver installed - which comes with the KB). Really? The last LK450's I purchased came with some really old software and a folded piece of paper which said that the software was unsupported. This really bums people who want to use the LK450 with Windows 95, Win- dows NT, or OS/2. And some of us want to use it with our own Unixes, and the programming information is hard to come by - I had to have a Digit lobby the product manager on my behalf to get it. If there are newer drivers and/or programming doc available, I'm sure a lot of readers would like to hear about it - I get several queries a month about my LK250 handler for MS-DOS Kermit, asking if it works with the LK450. [The answer is "sort of" - the LK450 has a really brain-dead incompatibility in its LK250 emulation, dealing with the key in the "com- pose" position on the LK250/"escape" position on the LK450. Somebody changed this on purpose late in the design cycle for no apparent reason, since none of the DEC utilities operate the LK450 in LK250 mode (they use one of the new LK450 extended modes). Terry Kennedy Operations Manager, Academic Computing terry@spcvxa.spc.edu St. Peter's College, Jersey City, NJ USA +1 201 915 9381 (voice) +1 201 435-3662 (FAX) From news@columbia.edu Thu Mar 14 08:01:14 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA27984 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 1996 08:01:12 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id IAA24834 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 14 Mar 1996 08:01:10 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!pipeline!newsjunkie.ans.net!newsfeeds.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!newsflash.concordia.ca!news.mcgill.ca!news From: ylacours@is.jgh.mcgill.ca Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Caps lock problem with Kermit 95 Date: 14 Mar 1996 01:22:23 GMT Organization: McGill University Computing Centre Lines: 2 Message-ID: <4i7scf$sno@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: 199.202.97.21 X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) I have a problem when I put the caps lock: The caps lock work wiht number key on the alphabetic keyboard. How can I make the Caps Lock works only with the lettre. From news@columbia.edu Thu Mar 14 10:47:48 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA04555 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 1996 10:47:47 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA28248 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 14 Mar 1996 10:47:44 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Caps lock problem with Kermit 95 Date: 14 Mar 1996 15:47:35 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 35 Message-ID: <4i9f2n$rih@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4i7scf$sno@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4i7scf$sno@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca>, wrote: : I have a problem when I put the caps lock: The caps lock work wiht number : key on the alphabetic keyboard. How can I make the Caps Lock works only : with the lettre. : The current version of Kermit 95 is 1.1.4. From the BUGS.DOC file on the Kermit 95 1.1.4 diskette: 6. Keyboard Scan Codes and Caps Lock (M) Certain keyboard scan codes, constructed by Kermit 95 from information reported by Windows, are inconsistent between Windows NT and Windows 95. These include Num Lock and Numeric Keypad /. More seriously, Windows 95 (not NT) returns the shifted version of non-alphabetic characters when Caps Lock is on; for example, if you press the "2" key on a USA keyboard with Caps Lock on, you get "@" instead of "2". In other words, Caps Lock behaves like Shift Lock. This is a Window 95 bug. The same K95 code executing under Windows NT returns the correct values. Workaround: None, except to avoid using Caps Lock. There is nothing Kermit can do about this. If Windows gives it the wrong scan code, Kermit can't guess what the right one would have been -- especially when you consider the multiplicity of national and other keyboards. Cure: If the next Microsoft update or release fixes the Caps Lock bug, it will be fixed in Kermit. When the full-GUI, non-console-mode version of Kermit 95 comes out, that, too, will cure this problem by not using the console driver. (NOTE: Service Pack 1 for Windows 95 did not fix this problem.) - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Mar 14 22:31:48 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA21923 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 1996 22:31:48 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id WAA14627 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 14 Mar 1996 22:31:46 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!europa.chnt.gtegsc.com!gatech!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news.ultranet.com!vandal From: jasantos@ultranet.com (John Santos) Newsgroups: comp.os.rsts,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: PDP-11 Kermit Date: Thu, 14 Mar 96 23:29:21 GMT Organization: UltraNet Communications, Inc. Lines: 34 Distribution: inet Message-ID: <4iaa6m$3r2@caesar.ultra.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: vandal.ultranet.com Summary: Getting KRT to work on RSTS X-Newsreader: News Xpress 2.0 Beta #0 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.os.rsts:572 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:4880 Hello, All, especially Kelvin Smith & Terry Kennedy. Frustrated with getting file transfers to work between RSTS and VMS (i.e. the SET ATTRIBUTES OFF problem), I have been hecking around some with trying to make the KRT version of Kermit to work on RSTS/E. There are still tons of unfinished bits, and rough edges, but I have successfully transfered binary files with attributes and ascii text files between RSTS and VMS using it. (Also, the spiffy new help is nice and fast, though inaccurate for the RSTS version!) My questions are if I devote more time to this (it will require LOTS more to make something suitable for any one else to use), will anyone care? Is anyone else engaged in anything similar; who I should be talking to? Also, what should I call it? (Right now, it is KRT, although it is at this point completely incompatible with the real KRT, but K11 would imply compatibilty with RSX, which right now it isn't, and I don't have any way to test it with either RT11 or RSX.) If there is a groundswell of support, are there any features that are desperately needed? For background, I started with the K11 & KRT sources from Columbia, and merged in a few changes that I had originally gotten from Terry Kennedy's RSTS BBS several years ago (the X3.60 version) I removed from KRT lots of stuff that was purely RT-11 related, and pasted in a bunch of stuff from K11 that had been dropped from KRT (RMS handling, RSTS connect mode, file attribute handling, etc.) I have only even attempted to build it with I&D space; I think it might be getting to big to run otherwise. (On the plus side, I&D gives plenty of room for buffers; I have gottten it to send from RSTS to VMS with 2000 byte packets, although for reasons I haven't figured out yet (maybe just need to bump buffer quotas, or maybe flow control is getting turned off), I can't get it to receive with packets larger than about 600 bytes. Still, this is much better than 90 bytes!) John Santos EGH (work: john@egh.com, home: jasantos@ultranet.com) From news@columbia.edu Thu Mar 14 22:31:57 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA21931 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 1996 22:31:57 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id WAA14632 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 14 Mar 1996 22:31:56 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!swrinde!sdd.hp.com!inn From: Richard Brodie Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Problem with kermit < TAKEFILE Date: 14 Mar 1996 23:11:51 GMT Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company Lines: 37 Message-ID: <4ia93n$ap7@news.sdd.hp.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: hpsdv050.sdd.hp.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.2N (Windows; I; 16bit) I am attempting to use kermit in a PC DOS environment to capture readings from an instrumentation guage. This device is connected via a multiplexer to the serial port COM1. The following little script file "1.ker" works if I am in kermit and type TAKE 1.ker SET TAKE ECHO ON LOG SESSION value OUTPUT 1\13 CLOSE SESSION EXIT It commands the multiplexer to return a reading from the guage that is connected to its #1 input port, and when this script has finished, the reading shows up in the file "value". However, what I ultimately want to do is cause this script to be run by a command issued with an exec out of a TCL program. So I need to be able to set up a one line DOS command that will do it. My first attempt was to set up a file "take_1.ker" containing a single line: TAKE 1.ker and then at the DOS prompt type kermit < take_1.ker Kermit does get invoked (I wish there were a quiet mode so that the stuff that always comes out on the screen when you start kermit up could be turned off), The exit command gets executed since I automatically come back to DOS. But the echo doesn't take effect, the session is not logged, and the command is not sent out to the multiplexer. I'd appreciate any suggestions. From news@columbia.edu Fri Mar 15 00:07:32 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA29132 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 1996 00:07:31 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id AAA17101 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 15 Mar 1996 00:07:29 -0500 (EST) Newsgroups: comp.os.rsts,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!sgigate.sgi.com!swrinde!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!news.new-york.net!spcuna!spcvxb!terry From: terry@spcvxa.spc.edu (Terry Kennedy, Operations Mgr.) Subject: Re: PDP-11 Kermit X-Nntp-Posting-Host: spcvxa.spc.edu References: <4iaa6m$3r2@caesar.ultra.net> Sender: news@spcuna.spc.edu (Network News) X-Nntp-Posting-User: TERRY Organization: St. Peter's College, US Date: Fri, 15 Mar 1996 01:45:38 GMT Message-ID: <1996Mar14.204538.1@spcvxb.spc.edu> Lines: 27 Distribution: inet Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.os.rsts:573 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:4882 In article <4iaa6m$3r2@caesar.ultra.net>, jasantos@ultranet.com (John Santos) writes: > My questions are if I devote more time to this (it will require LOTS > more to make something suitable for any one else to use), will anyone care? > Is anyone else engaged in anything similar; who I should be talking to? Also, > what should I call it? (Right now, it is KRT, although it is at this point > completely incompatible with the real KRT, but K11 would imply compatibilty > with RSX, which right now it isn't, and I don't have any way to test it with > either RT11 or RSX.) If there is a groundswell of support, are there any > features that are desperately needed? We get occasional requests from users who want RSTS/E Kermit - oddly enough, Columbia just got one such request today! I think it would be a good thing - my problem is that I don't have enough time to devote to such a project. If you have the time, by all means go for it. At one time I started porting C-Kermit to RSTS/E. Since C-K runs on 2BSD Unix on the same hardware, it should be possible to get a good C-Kermit for RSTS/E. I was using DEC's PDP-11 C compiler. Frank controls the naming. The current RSTS/E Kermit is K11E80 as I re- call. Terry Kennedy Operations Manager, Academic Computing terry@spcvxa.spc.edu St. Peter's College, Jersey City, NJ USA +1 201 915 9381 (voice) +1 201 435-3662 (FAX) From news@columbia.edu Fri Mar 15 00:07:37 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA29138 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 1996 00:07:36 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id AAA17104 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 15 Mar 1996 00:07:33 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!info.ucla.edu!library.ucla.edu!galaxy.ucr.edu!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!dog.ee.lbl.gov!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Problem with kermit < TAKEFILE Message-ID: <1996Mar14.165937.76585@cc.usu.edu> Date: 14 Mar 96 16:59:37 MDT References: <4ia93n$ap7@news.sdd.hp.com> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 51 In article <4ia93n$ap7@news.sdd.hp.com>, Richard Brodie writes: > I am attempting to use kermit in a PC DOS environment to capture readings > from an instrumentation guage. This device is connected via a > multiplexer to the serial port COM1. > > The following little script file "1.ker" works if I am in kermit and type > TAKE 1.ker > > SET TAKE ECHO ON > LOG SESSION value > OUTPUT 1\13 > CLOSE SESSION > EXIT > > It commands the multiplexer to return a reading from the guage that is > connected to its #1 input port, and when this script has finished, > the reading shows up in the file "value". > > However, what I ultimately want to do is cause this script to be run > by a command issued with an exec out of a TCL program. So I need to be > able to set up a one line DOS command that will do it. My first attempt > was to set up a file "take_1.ker" containing a single line: > > TAKE 1.ker > > and then at the DOS prompt type > > kermit < take_1.ker MS-DOS Kermit reads its own command line, and it does have a quiet mode. Kermit set display quiet, take 1.ker should be pretty close to what you want. If you want no reading of mskermit.ini et al then add ,-f nul to the line above (-f filename replacing mskermit.ini default is the meaning). Since MSKERMIT.INI is sought by default you can put anything (or nothing) in it that you wish. MSK will exit to DOS after the last DOS level command line argument has been executed; if none it stays at the Kermit prompt. If ,STAY is on the command line it also remains at the Kermit prompt. > Kermit does get invoked (I wish there were a quiet mode so that the stuff > that always comes out on the screen when you start kermit up could be > turned off), The exit command gets executed since I automatically come > back to DOS. But the echo doesn't take effect, the session is not > logged, and the command is not sent out to the multiplexer. > > I'd appreciate any suggestions. Other than the above I would recommend reading the User's Manual, details of which are listed under the HELP command. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Fri Mar 15 12:58:48 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA18921 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 1996 12:58:47 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id MAA21269 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 15 Mar 1996 12:58:44 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.mindlink.net!van-bc!unixg.ubc.ca!info.ucla.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netnews From: adldata@ix.netcom.com (David Pollack ) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: LF problem on Ckermit vax/vms and axp/vms talking to sco Date: 15 Mar 1996 15:45:11 GMT Organization: Netcom Lines: 58 Message-ID: <4ic3a7$568@cloner2.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ix-wp2-25.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Fri Mar 15 7:45:11 AM PST 1996 I have ckermit 5a(190) running on digital vms (vax and alpha) using a script to connect to an sco unix system. >From the vax, it works fine. the script waits for the logon prompt,sends the logon id, wait for the password prompt, sends the password, does what it needs to. This is repeatable. >From the alpha, it connects, waits for the logon script, sends the logon id, waits for the password prompt, never gets/sees it and times out. This is repeatable. I do 'set mac echo on' to see what is happening and try again from the alpha. It connects properly, works fine. This is also repeatable (with set mac echo on). I try the connection under kermit, manually, with no script. It works fine again. I realize the logon id and password are followed by \13 but unix uses \10 as a terminator. I change the script to append \13\10 after the logon id and password and it now seems to works fine on both vms machines. I don't understand the following: 1. Why did "set mac echo on" make it work on the alpha. 2. If the line feed (\10) is needed, why did it work on the vax without it. I did "sho term" on bothe machines but did not find anything that would put an lf after a cr. The VAX is VMS 5.5. The Alpha is VMS 6.1. Both were done with the same modem. Pertinent script code with fix ("out \10" after the "ocr %u": The code waits for a logon prompt, sends it, waits for a password prompt, sends it, waits for a menu prompt for further processing and ignores message screens that have "press to continue..." on them. -------------------------------------------------- def ocr out \%1\13, echo \%1\13 def mdcdprompt {DESIRED ...} ; Ending text of a menu display def mdcdlogon - set input timeout proceed,- input 20 login:, if fail stop 1 no sign on prompt,- ocr \%u, out \10, - input 20 Password:, if fail stop 1 No password prompt,- ocr \%p, out \10, - :retry,- input 20 \m(mdcdprompt), if success goto ok,- :retry1, - reinput 0 to continue..., - xif fail {echo did not get expected signon text,- ocr { }, goto retry},- ocr { },- input 20 \m(mdcdprompt), if fail goto retry1,- :ok,- echo signon done. --------------------------------------------------- From news@columbia.edu Fri Mar 15 13:37:24 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA24416 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 1996 13:37:24 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id NAA22219 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 15 Mar 1996 13:37:22 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: LF problem on Ckermit vax/vms and axp/vms talking to sco Date: 15 Mar 1996 18:37:10 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 35 Message-ID: <4icdcm$lm8@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4ic3a7$568@cloner2.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4ic3a7$568@cloner2.ix.netcom.com>, David Pollack wrote: : I have ckermit 5a(190) running on digital vms (vax and alpha) : using a script to connect to an sco unix system. : : From the vax, it works fine. the script waits for the logon : prompt,sends the logon id, wait for the password prompt, : sends the password, does what it needs to. This is repeatable. : : From the alpha, it connects, waits for the logon script, sends : the logon id, waits for the password prompt, never gets/sees : it and times out. This is repeatable. : I think the real problem is that one of your VMS systems is sending one or more terminal-report-query escape sequences, but the other one isn't. You can verify this by telling C-Kermit to "set terminal debug on" and logging in manually to each one to get a graphic display of all characters received, including control characters. The escape sequences are issued by a SET TERM/INQUIRE command in your LOGIN.COM or in the system-wide LOGIN.COM. The exact escape sequences that are issued depend on the VMS version. This is explained in some detail on pages 284-289 of "Using C-Kermit". C-Kermit 5A(190) also comes with a VMSLOGIN macro to handle the situation -- it is defined in the standard CKERMIT.INI file. If this turns out not to be the answer, then you will probably still be able to find the answer by following the examples in the book, using SET TERM DEBUG ON (or SET DEBUG SESSION -- same thing) to see what is really going on. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sat Mar 16 08:31:20 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA05150 for ; Sat, 16 Mar 1996 08:31:20 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id IAA03869 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 16 Mar 1996 08:31:18 -0500 (EST) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!munnari.OZ.AU!news.ecn.uoknor.edu!news.cis.okstate.edu!news.ksu.ksu.edu!lazrus.cca.rockwell.com!newssvr.cacd.rockwell.com!newsrelay.iastate.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!server1.nw.ixe.net!server1.adam.ixe.net!wirehub!Leiden.NL.net!sun4nl!echelon!kees From: kees@echelon.nl (Kees Hendrikse) Subject: Re: Last Hope - Honeywell & Kermit Organization: Echelon Consultancy, Enschede, The Netherlands Distribution: world Date: Tue, 12 Mar 1996 22:10:29 GMT Message-ID: References: <4hu4ro$hm7@tandem.wantree.com.au> <4i21tr$2l7@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Lines: 48 In <4i21tr$2l7@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Frank da Cruz writes: > In article <4hu4ro$hm7@tandem.wantree.com.au>, > Mark Huxley wrote: > : One last try, Just in case the request was missed, Does anybody know how > : to configure Kermit to perform a file transfer with a Honeywell DPS-6.? > : > : PS. Last ditch effort. If it helps, I can raise the stakes to include > : a fine WA beer or wine ! > : > : Cheers > : > : Mark, desperate of Perth > : > I finally exhumed this information. From the Honeywell DPS-6 Kermit > documentation (quoting): [part of quote deleted] > The speed at which MSKermit can send packets to the DPS-6 (since > hardware/software handshaking is not available) can actually EXCEED the > turn-around capabilities of the ATD line driver and produce (^G) BEL > characters as a packet response. Therefore the best way to use Kermit is > to put a slight delay between packets and use the largest packet size, > e.g.: > > SET SEND PACKET-SIZE 2000 > SET RECEIVE PACKET-SIZE 2000 > SET SEND PAUSE 20 > > This delay can be tuned for greatest throughput at different baud rates > etc.. (end quote) > > See kermit/d/hd6ker.doc for additional info. Half a century from now, I envision a student in "History of computing" writing a term paper on "data-communication in the 20th century". After surfing the web for weeks he stumbles over the kermit/*/*.doc files and there it is, all the silly details, exceptions, things to be aware of, of almost every system that was capable of communication. Frank, never delete those files, or that paper won't be written ;-) -- Kees Hendrikse | email: kees@echelon.nl | ECHELON consultancy and software development | phone: +31 (0)53 48 36 585 PO Box 545, 7500AM Enschede, The Netherlands | fax: +31 (0)53 43 37 415 From news@columbia.edu Sat Mar 16 10:40:21 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA14092 for ; Sat, 16 Mar 1996 10:40:20 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA06361 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 16 Mar 1996 10:40:17 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!uwm.edu!spool.mu.edu!munnari.OZ.AU!metro!metro!wabbit.its.uow.edu.au!news.ci.com.au!usenet From: ken@terrigal.net.au (Ken Kirkby) Newsgroups: comp.os.rsts,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: PDP-11 Kermit Date: Sat, 16 Mar 96 12:23:32 GMT Organization: K. J. Kirkby and Associates Lines: 49 Distribution: inet Message-ID: References: <4iaa6m$3r2@caesar.ultra.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: kakapo.terrigal.net.au X-Newsreader: Quarterdeck Message Center [1.0] Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.os.rsts:574 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:4887 > Hello, All, especially Kelvin Smith & Terry Kennedy. > > Frustrated with getting file transfers to work between RSTS and VMS > (i.e. the SET ATTRIBUTES OFF problem), I have been hecking around some with > trying to make the KRT version of Kermit to work on RSTS/E. There are still > tons of unfinished bits, and rough edges, but I have successfully transfered > binary files with attributes and ascii text files between RSTS and VMS > using it. (Also, the spiffy new help is nice and fast, though inaccurate for > the RSTS version!) > > My questions are if I devote more time to this (it will require LOTS > more to make something suitable for any one else to use), will anyone care? > Is anyone else engaged in anything similar; who I should be talking to? Also, > what should I call it? (Right now, it is KRT, although it is at this point > completely incompatible with the real KRT, but K11 would imply compatibilty > with RSX, which right now it isn't, and I don't have any way to test it with > either RT11 or RSX.) If there is a groundswell of support, are there any > features that are desperately needed? > > For background, I started with the K11 & KRT sources from Columbia, > and merged in a few changes that I had originally gotten from Terry Kennedy's > RSTS BBS several years ago (the X3.60 version) I removed from KRT lots of > stuff that was purely RT-11 related, and pasted in a bunch of stuff from K11 > that had been dropped from KRT (RMS handling, RSTS connect mode, file > attribute handling, etc.) I have only even attempted to build it with I&D > space; I think it might be getting to big to run otherwise. (On the plus > side, I&D gives plenty of room for buffers; I have gottten it to send from > RSTS to VMS with 2000 byte packets, although for reasons I haven't > figured out yet (maybe just need to bump buffer quotas, or maybe flow > control is getting turned off), I can't get it to receive with packets larger > than about 600 bytes. Still, this is much better than 90 bytes!) > > John Santos > EGH (work: john@egh.com, home: jasantos@ultranet.com) John, keep at it. There are a few of us out there, who will be very pleased. In fact I was just muttering about the speed and problems with the present Kermit with John Geremin on Thursday night, in relation to upgrading a V7.0 site still running RK07's. Anyone got spare RK611's? Regards Ken Kirkby ^_^_^_^_^_^_^_^_^_^_^_^_^_^_^_^_^_^_^_^_^_^_^^_^_^_^_^_ K. J. Kirkby and Associates Pty Ltd ACN 007 986 009 PO Box 157 Terrigal NSW, Australia 2260 Ph. +61 43 852335 PLC Peripherals and Realtime Computing Fx +61 43 853720 Bulletin Board Fido 3:711/446 BBS +61 43 853783 Surfing at Terrigal & Avoca Beaches ken@terrigal.net.au ^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^- From news@columbia.edu Sat Mar 16 12:09:28 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA20432 for ; Sat, 16 Mar 1996 12:09:27 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id MAA08182 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 16 Mar 1996 12:09:23 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.compuserve.com!newsmaster From: 101622.1370@compuserve.com (Sean Quinn) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: CHALLENGING AND LUCRATIVE CAREER OPPORTUNITY Date: Sat, 16 Mar 1996 16:57:57 GMT Organization: CompuServe Incorporated Lines: 12 Message-ID: <4ierpo$htn@dub-news-svc-1.compuserve.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ad57-211.compuserve.com X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Based in South East of England with some travel in the USA and Europe. 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Professional Headhunter, Hoggett Bowers Search & Selection, 7-9 Bream`s Buildings, Chancery Lane, London, EC4A 1DY, Tel: 0171 430 9000, Fax: 0171 405 5995 From news@columbia.edu Sat Mar 16 15:03:07 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA02324 for ; Sat, 16 Mar 1996 15:03:03 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id PAA11576 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 16 Mar 1996 15:03:01 -0500 (EST) Newsgroups: comp.os.rsts,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!hpg30a.csc.cuhk.hk!news.cuhk.edu.hk!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!news.decus.org!eisner.decus.org!youdelman From: youdelman@eisner.decus.org Subject: Re: PDP-11 Kermit Distribution: inet X-Nntp-Posting-User: YOUDELMAN Lines: 49 Organization: DECUServe Message-ID: <1996Mar16.124525.1@eisner.decus.org> References: <4iaa6m$3r2@caesar.ultra.net> X-Nntp-Posting-Host: eisner.decus.org Date: Sat, 16 Mar 1996 17:45:25 GMT Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.os.rsts:575 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:4889 John Santos writes: > Frustrated with getting file transfers to work between RSTS and VMS > (i.e. the SET ATTRIBUTES OFF problem), I have been hecking around some with > trying to make the KRT version of Kermit to work on RSTS/E. This is pretty much how KRT began... At that time my impression was C-Kermit would be used for RSTS and I didn't see much hope for that under RT-11, so I didn't see any problem with deriving an RT-specific update of K11. This led to a bit of a mess with two versions of (more or less) the same software, so now if there's anything I can do to help prevent yet another version of it please ask. It shouldn't be too difficult to do conditional assemblies in the shared modules, for example. The very latest KRT, which is almost ready to begin its field test (most of the work left is cleaning up the doc and help files) is available now at ftp.vnet.net:/pub/users/billy/KRT*. Among other things this one supports setting individual attributes on or off, does set control-char unprefixed ala C-Kermit and in general is in much better condition for what you're doing as all the source files have been thoroughly cleaned up. I expect this version to be ready for release in about two months, after which you'd have quite a bit of time to make changes and additions without any worry someone is still working on it else- where. > My questions are if I devote more time to this (it will require LOTS > more to make something suitable for any one else to use), will anyone care? There is still a lot of interest in the RT-11 Kermit, and I imagine there were a lot more RSTS systems sold that are still around, so yes I'm sure the work will not go unappreciated. > what should I call it? (Right now, it is KRT, although it is at this point > completely incompatible with the real KRT, but K11 would imply compatibilty > with RSX, which right now it isn't, and I don't have any way to test it with > either RT11 or RSX.) I used KRT because RTK was already taken (an older RT-11 Kermit). RT-11 is limited to file names with 6.3 chars max, which doesn't leave a whole lot of practical choices available. Frank da Cruz is the person to figure this one out, if it has to be changed at all, that is. Billy Y.. From news@columbia.edu Sat Mar 16 21:17:08 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA27958 for ; Sat, 16 Mar 1996 21:17:08 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id VAA19174 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 16 Mar 1996 21:17:06 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!nrchh45.rich.nt.com!news.utdallas.edu!news.tamu.edu!xenon.brooks.af.mil!natinst.com!cs.utexas.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!news.cais.net!usenet.seri.re.kr!news.kigam.re.kr!xpat.com!cyberspam!not-for-mail Date: 17 Mar 1996 00:53:27 GMT From: 101622.1370@compuserve.com (Sean Quinn) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Message-ID: Control: cancel <4ierpo$htn@dub-news-svc-1.compuserve.com> Subject: cmsg cancel <4ierpo$htn@dub-news-svc-1.compuserve.com> Approved: jem@xpat.com X-Cancelled-By: jem@xpat.com Lines: 3 EMP/ECP (aka SPAM) cancelled by jem@xpat.com. See news.admin.net-abuse.announce, report 19960317.13 for further details From news@columbia.edu Mon Mar 18 16:01:37 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA11222 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 1996 16:01:36 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id QAA19951 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 18 Mar 1996 16:01:34 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!hamblin.math.byu.edu!acs2.byu.edu!news.cuny.edu!caen!newsxfer2.itd.umich.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.ac.net!news.bconnex.net!grumpy.insinc.net!roger.interlynx.net!news From: james_stang@hrcc.on.ca Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: K95 questions - keyboard remapping Date: Mon, 18 Mar 1996 16:44:31 GMT Organization: Interlynx Lines: 21 Message-ID: <4ik42l$q82@roger.interlynx.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.186.34.4 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 I have been reviewing vt220 compatible telnet packages (including QVT and NET term) and since K95 requires that I buy before I try I have a couple of questions regarding keyboard remapping. The most significant questions regard the ability of the program to set the NUM Lock key to the GOLD key. Can K95 do this? We evaluated Kermit for DOS and found that our keyboard remapping was complex enough that we 'filled' the keyboard translation table internal to kermit. Does this restriction still exist in K95? As examples of programs we use currently that are acceptable we use the 'sethost.exe' app from Pathworks (DEC), the TN program included with FTP Inc.'s IP stack and SMARTTERM from Persoft. Needless to say K95 bulk pricing makes it very attractive but we need to know it will work first. A positive reply to this message will help a lot. James Stang From news@columbia.edu Mon Mar 18 16:01:38 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA11224 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 1996 16:01:36 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id QAA19952 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 18 Mar 1996 16:01:33 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!hamblin.math.byu.edu!acs2.byu.edu!news.cuny.edu!caen!spool.mu.edu!daily-planet.execpc.com!news.sol.net!uniserve!van-bc!unixg.ubc.ca!nntp.cs.ubc.ca!news.cyberstore.ca!math.ohio-state.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news-e2a.gnn.com!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: seanecp@aol.com (Sean ECP) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: KERMIT for a TI computer Date: 18 Mar 1996 11:04:37 -0500 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 7 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <4ik1il$4h@newsbf02.news.aol.com> Reply-To: seanecp@aol.com (Sean ECP) NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com I have a TI computer with a 680X0 microprocessor running AT&T UNIX System III/System V. Does anyone know where I can a get a recent Kermit binary for it?? I have no development system:( Thanks in advance!! Sean From news@columbia.edu Mon Mar 18 18:28:23 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA29134 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 1996 18:28:23 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id SAA23762 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 18 Mar 1996 18:28:21 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.compuserve.com!newsmaster From: 101622.1370@compuserve.com (Sean Quinn) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: CHALLENGING AND LUCRATIVE CAREER OPPORTUNITY Date: Mon, 18 Mar 1996 21:23:32 GMT Organization: CompuServe Incorporated Lines: 12 Message-ID: <4ikk3i$93i@arl-news-svc-2.compuserve.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: hd80-130.compuserve.com X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Based in South East of England with some travel in the USA and Europe. 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Professional Headhunter, Hoggett Bowers Search & Selection, 7-9 Bream`s Buildings, Chancery Lane, London, EC4A 1DY, Tel: 0171 430 9000, Fax: 0171 405 5995 From news@columbia.edu Mon Mar 18 18:28:28 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA29140 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 1996 18:28:27 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id SAA23766 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 18 Mar 1996 18:28:25 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!warwick!yama.mcc.ac.uk!news.u-net.com!news From: Andy Stephens Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Help! Two problems with C-Kermit Date: 18 Mar 1996 21:22:07 GMT Organization: U-NET limited Lines: 33 Message-ID: <4ikk5v$mf7@nuntius.u-net.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: chesh6.u-net.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1 (Windows; I; 16bit) We are currently experiencing a couple of problems with C-Kermit v5a(179) BETA 7 Feb 92. Kermit on the PC is within the Kea! 340 comms package: 1) We have a series of VMS text files that don't contain any form of carriage returns/line feeds. When we transfer to a PC, all lines of the file are strung together in one large 'lump'. However, another transfer protocol we use is somehow able to insert CR/LF characters (presumably by looking at the record size of the VMS file). Can this be done in C-Kermit? Do we need a newer version? 2) This may be a network problem. We are trying to use C-Kermit over Pathworks (sorry I haven't got the version number to hand). It is using LAT over ethernet cards. When we try a transfer from PC to vax (binary or text, doesn't matter, nor does file size) the errors immediately count up to the limit of 10 (within a second or two), and the transer aborts. However the file contents continue to be sent to the host and appear on the vms command line, or wherever the user returns to after C-Kermit. We use this version of C-Kermit elsewhere without any problems, mainly over 19.2k terminal servers, but also on LAT over Novell networks. When you look at the protocol.log, there are one or two corrupted characters within the main data packet that appear in exactly the same place, 255 bytes apart, although the corrupted character itself varies. We use 2 sliding windows, 512 byte packet size. The only time we have got it to work is by setting the packet size to 80, but this obviously affects transfer performance quite drastically. Any ideas? Many thanks in anticipation, Andy. From news@columbia.edu Mon Mar 18 18:30:10 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA29353 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 1996 18:30:09 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id SAA23794 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 18 Mar 1996 18:30:03 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: K95 questions - keyboard remapping Date: 18 Mar 1996 23:29:54 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 32 Message-ID: <4ikrli$n7e@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4ik42l$q82@roger.interlynx.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4ik42l$q82@roger.interlynx.net>, wrote: : I have been reviewing vt220 compatible telnet packages (including QVT : and NET term) and since K95 requires that I buy before I try I have a : couple of questions regarding keyboard remapping. : : The most significant questions regard the ability of the program to : set the NUM Lock key to the GOLD key. Can K95 do this? : Yes. And it comes with a VT220 key mapping file that sets Num Lock to be the Gold key, and defines all the numeric keypad keys to be just like on a DEC LK2xx keyboard (if you allow for the fact that the IBM and DEC keypads don't have the same number of keys :-) And of course you can redefine the layout any way you like. Some communications programs don't even allow key re-mapping. Of those that do, most only let you map characters or hardwired strings to keys. Kermit 95 (like MS-DOS Kermit) is far more powerful and flexible than that. Among other things, it has a "verb" for each VT220 key, that does what that key does -- which is not necessarily to send a fixed string; some keys change "modes" and send different things at different times. : We evaluated Kermit for DOS and found that our keyboard remapping was : complex enough that we 'filled' the keyboard translation table : internal to kermit. Does this restriction still exist in K95? : It's not clear what you mean here. Both MS-DOS Kermit and Kermit 95 give you unique scan codes for every key combination -- over 700 of them. Do you mean a restriction on the total amount of space that can be allocated to key definitions? Kermit 95 has no such restriction. However, both Kermit 95 and MS-DOS Kermit do have a limit on the length of a particular definition. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Mar 18 18:30:56 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA29546 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 1996 18:30:55 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id SAA23849 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 18 Mar 1996 18:30:52 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!news.new-york.net!solaris.cc.vt.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!info.ucla.edu!nnrp.info.ucla.edu!usenet From: Calvin Cliff Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Screen updates displaying control characters? Date: 18 Mar 1996 18:42:53 GMT Organization: University of California, Los Angeles Lines: 20 Message-ID: <4ikard$nn6@saba.info.ucla.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: pascal.astro.ucla.edu Hi, I have Kermit3.14 for MSDos on an old pc in my computer lab. When I log into my VMS host and use the edt editor it seems to work fine except for doing the screen updates. If I use the arrow keys to move through text at a rapid rate, the screen doesn't keep updated and control characters are displayed in my text. I tried doing the set term/ttsyn/hostsyn but it didn't help. I also switched off time slicing. Is there anything else I should do? (By the way, the PC is connected to a DECserver 90TL via a 9600baud serial line 8bit,no parity, 1stopbit. Kermit is set to 8bit words and 7bit controls.) Please email any replies... Thanks in advanced. cliff cclif@ucla.edu From news@columbia.edu Mon Mar 18 18:48:49 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA01428 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 1996 18:48:48 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id SAA24230 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 18 Mar 1996 18:48:44 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Help! Two problems with C-Kermit Date: 18 Mar 1996 23:48:36 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 61 Message-ID: <4iksok$nl0@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4ikk5v$mf7@nuntius.u-net.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4ikk5v$mf7@nuntius.u-net.net>, Andy Stephens wrote: : We are currently experiencing a couple of problems with C-Kermit v5a(179) : BETA 7 Feb 92. : As you can tell from its designation, that is not a released version of C-Kermit. The current version of C-Kermit is 5A(190). : Kermit on the PC is within the Kea! 340 comms package: : : 1) We have a series of VMS text files that don't contain any form of : carriage returns/line feeds. When we transfer to a PC, all lines of the : file are strung together in one large 'lump'. However, another transfer : protocol we use is somehow able to insert CR/LF characters (presumably by : looking at the record size of the VMS file). Can this be done in : C-Kermit? Do we need a newer version? : What do you mean "VMS text files"? What is the record format? All of this is explained in great detail in the VMS Appendix of the C-Kermit manual, "Using C-Kermit". Please read it. : 2) This may be a network problem. We are trying to use C-Kermit over : Pathworks (sorry I haven't got the version number to hand). It is using : LAT over ethernet cards. When we try a transfer from PC to vax (binary or : text, doesn't matter, nor does file size) the errors immediately count up : to the limit of 10 (within a second or two), and the transer aborts. : That is normal for LAT. LAT was never designed for transferring files into a VMS system; it was designed for people sitting at terminals, typing at a keyboard (maximum speed -- about 100 characters per second). Its buffers in the "upstream" direction are tiny. The solution (as you have learned) is to use a very small packet size when transferring into the VMS system over a LAT connection. You can still use large packets when transferring from VMS to the PC. EXTRA CREDIT: Find a VMS expert who might be able to tell you how to configure the LAT buffers to be bigger, and the same size in both directions. : When you look at the protocol.log, there are one or two corrupted : characters within the main data packet that appear in exactly the same : place, 255 bytes apart... : Which would be the buffer size... : ... although the corrupted character itself varies. : We use 2 sliding windows, 512 byte packet size. : The only time we have got it to work is by setting the packet size to 80, : but this obviously affects transfer performance quite drastically. : : Any ideas? : Use TCP/IP and Telnet instead of LAT? For information about the current C-Kermit version, the manual, and everything else to do with Kermit, visit our Web site: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Mar 18 21:08:50 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA13908 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 1996 21:08:49 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id VAA28012 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 18 Mar 1996 21:08:46 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!imci5!pull-feed.internetmci.com!news.internetMCI.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.compuserve.com!newsmaster From: 101622.1370@compuserve.com (Sean Quinn) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: CHALLENGING AND LUCRATIVE CAREER OPPORTUNITY Date: Mon, 18 Mar 1996 21:31:27 GMT Organization: CompuServe Incorporated Lines: 12 Message-ID: <4ikkic$pdu@dub-news-svc-3.compuserve.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: dd41-221.compuserve.com X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Based in South East of England with some travel in the USA and Europe. 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Professional Headhunter, Hoggett Bowers Search & Selection, 7-9 Bream`s Buildings, Chancery Lane, London, EC4A 1DY, Tel: 0171 430 9000, Fax: 0171 405 5995 From news@columbia.edu Mon Mar 18 21:54:05 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA17410 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 1996 21:54:04 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id VAA29359 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 18 Mar 1996 21:53:59 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!hamblin.math.byu.edu!acs2.byu.edu!news.cuny.edu!caen!usenet.cis.ufl.edu!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netnews From: adldata@ix.netcom.com (David Pollack ) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: LF problem on Ckermit vax/vms and axp/vms talking to sco Date: 18 Mar 1996 20:40:20 GMT Organization: Netcom Lines: 97 Message-ID: <4ikhnk$714@ixnews3.ix.netcom.com> References: <4ic3a7$568@cloner2.ix.netcom.com> <4icdcm$lm8@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: ix-wp4-11.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Mon Mar 18 12:40:20 PM PST 1996 In <4icdcm$lm8@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: > >In article <4ic3a7$568@cloner2.ix.netcom.com>, >David Pollack wrote: >: I have ckermit 5a(190) running on digital vms (vax and alpha) >: using a script to connect to an sco unix system. >: >: From the vax, it works fine. the script waits for the logon >: prompt,sends the logon id, wait for the password prompt, >: sends the password, does what it needs to. This is repeatable. >: >: From the alpha, it connects, waits for the logon script, sends >: the logon id, waits for the password prompt, never gets/sees >: it and times out. This is repeatable. >: >I think the real problem is that one of your VMS systems is >sending one or more terminal-report-query escape sequences, but >the other one isn't. You can verify this by telling C-Kermit to >"set terminal debug on" and logging in manually to each one to >get a graphic display of all characters received, including >control characters. > >The escape sequences are issued by a SET TERM/INQUIRE command >in your LOGIN.COM or in the system-wide LOGIN.COM. The exact >escape sequences that are issued depend on the VMS version. > >This is explained in some detail on pages 284-289 of "Using >C-Kermit". C-Kermit 5A(190) also comes with a VMSLOGIN macro to >handle the situation -- it is defined in the standard CKERMIT.INI >file. > >If this turns out not to be the answer, then you will probably >still be able to find the answer by following the examples in >the book, using SET TERM DEBUG ON (or SET DEBUG SESSION -- same >thing) to see what is really going on. > >- Frank Your response appears to be for connecting TO a VMS system. I am trying to go from vms (vax and alpha) to a unix system. I tried your suggestion and and got the same results from both systems: ************ extract starts *********** $9$DKA0:[dirname] C-Kermit>set term debug on ........ dialing sequence .......... CONNECT Call complete: 14:30:07. $9$DKA0:[AARON] C-Kermit>c -------------- from the alpha ----------------------- Connecting to _AXP$OPA1:, speed 9600. The escape character is ^\ (ASCII 28). Type the escape character followed by C to get back, or followed by ? to see other options. (Session logged to kmsess.log) Debugging Display...) ^J^M^JECSS^M^J^J^MWelcome to SCO Open Server Enterprise System Release 3.0^J^M^ ^JECSS!login: feelxxx^M^JPassword:^M^JLogin incorrect^M^Jlogin: ^M^Jlogin: +++^M ^JPassword:^M^JLogin incorrect^M^Jlogin: ^M^Jlogin: +++^M^JOK^M^J --------- from the vax system ------------------------ Connecting to _VAX$TXA4:, speed 9600. The escape character is ^\ (ASCII 28). Type the escape character followed by C to get back, or followed by ? to see other options. (Session logged to kmsess.log) Debugging Display...) ^J^M^JECSS^M^J^J^MWelcome to SCO Open Server Enterprise System Release 3.0^J^M ^JECSS!login: feelxxx^M^JPassword:^M^JLogin incorrect^M^Jlogin: +++^M^JOK^M^J *************** extract ends *********** anyway: Both systems have always worked fine in manual mode, my problem is logging on using scripts. -Manually, pressing return sends a both CR and LF. Everything works fine. -When the script issued a CR after the logon ID, it works on the vax but not on the alpha. I can't figure out why. -Trying to find out what happened, I did "set mac echo on" on the alpha. The problem no longer occurred. "set mac echo off" made the problem show up again. This does not make sense. -When the script issued both CR and LF after the logon ID, It worked on both vax and alpha. Any explanation about the difference dialing out from the vax and alpha would be appreciated. Thank you Sol Gongola ADL Data Systems Inc. From news@columbia.edu Tue Mar 19 00:28:56 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA29899 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 1996 00:28:54 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id AAA03966 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 19 Mar 1996 00:28:52 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!hamblin.math.byu.edu!acs2.byu.edu!news.cuny.edu!caen!usenet.cis.ufl.edu!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!news.dfn.de!news.dkrz.de!news.rrz.uni-hamburg.de!news.Hanse.DE!mwhh!ranahh.hanse.de!vgrote From: vgrote@ranahh.hanse.de (Volkmar Grote) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: How to get string with '\' into take script? Distribution: world Message-ID: <314dba9e.52414e414848@ranahh.hanse.de> Date: Mon, 18 Mar 1996 20:33:50 +0100 References: <31418faf.52414e414848@ranahh.hanse.de> <4hvpm2$ilp@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Organization: Hanse Networking eV, Hamburg X-Newsreader: rnr v2.13 X-Posting-Software: UUPC/extended 1.12k inews (11Dec94 12:33) Lines: 34 fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: > In article <31418faf.52414e414848@ranahh.hanse.de>, > Volkmar Grote wrote: [ ... ] > : Can I prevent Kermit from interpreting the '\'s? Or can I > : substitute them on the command line so they come out correctly > : in the output commands? > : > I think the answer is pretty simple, if not obvious, but I am not > certain because I haven't seen your script. [ ... ] > Now suppose you want to keep the backslashes (U-umlauts) intact. We > have a function for that, \fcontents(): > > echo \fcontents(\%a) > a\7b\%c\\d > > Does this help? Ten out of ten! I still have to get my checksums right ... Thanks Volkmar -- vgrote@ranahh.hanse.DE Volkmar Grote, Gilbertstrasse 25, D-22767 Hamburg, Germany, +49-40-31 33 39 "I want to die peacefully in my sleep, just like my grandfather... Not screaming in terror, like his passengers!" (jbs@asns.tredydev.unisys.com) From news@columbia.edu Tue Mar 19 09:28:40 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA23906 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 1996 09:28:40 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id JAA03876 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 19 Mar 1996 09:28:35 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: LF problem on Ckermit vax/vms and axp/vms talking to sco Date: 19 Mar 1996 14:28:26 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 123 Message-ID: <4imgaa$3p0@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4ic3a7$568@cloner2.ix.netcom.com> <4icdcm$lm8@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <4ikhnk$714@ixnews3.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4ikhnk$714@ixnews3.ix.netcom.com>, David Pollack wrote: : In <4icdcm$lm8@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu : (Frank da Cruz) writes: : > : >In article <4ic3a7$568@cloner2.ix.netcom.com>, : >David Pollack wrote: : >: I have ckermit 5a(190) running on digital vms (vax and alpha) : >: using a script to connect to an sco unix system. : >: : >: From the vax, it works fine. the script waits for the logon : >: prompt,sends the logon id, wait for the password prompt, : >: sends the password, does what it needs to. This is repeatable. : >: : >: From the alpha, it connects, waits for the logon script, sends : >: the logon id, waits for the password prompt, never gets/sees : >: it and times out. This is repeatable. : : > [response deleted...] : : Your response appears to be for connecting TO a VMS system. I am : trying to go from vms (vax and alpha) to a unix system. I tried : your suggestion and and got the same results from both systems: : : ************ extract starts *********** : $9$DKA0:[dirname] C-Kermit>set term debug on : ........ dialing sequence .......... : CONNECT : : Call complete: 14:30:07. : $9$DKA0:[AARON] C-Kermit>c : : -------------- from the alpha ----------------------- : Connecting to _AXP$OPA1:, speed 9600. : The escape character is ^\ (ASCII 28). : Type the escape character followed by C to get back, : or followed by ? to see other options. : (Session logged to kmsess.log) : Debugging Display...) : ^J^M^JECSS^M^J^J^MWelcome to SCO Open Server Enterprise System Release : 3.0^J^M^ : ^JECSS!login: feelxxx^M^JPassword:^M^JLogin incorrect^M^Jlogin: : ^M^Jlogin: +++^M : ^JPassword:^M^JLogin incorrect^M^Jlogin: ^M^Jlogin: +++^M^JOK^M^J : : --------- from the vax system ------------------------ : Connecting to _VAX$TXA4:, speed 9600. : The escape character is ^\ (ASCII 28). : Type the escape character followed by C to get back, : or followed by ? to see other options. : (Session logged to kmsess.log) : Debugging Display...) : ^J^M^JECSS^M^J^J^MWelcome to SCO Open Server Enterprise System Release : 3.0^J^M : ^JECSS!login: feelxxx^M^JPassword:^M^JLogin incorrect^M^Jlogin: : +++^M^JOK^M^J : *************** extract ends *********** : : anyway: Both systems have always worked fine in manual mode, : my problem is logging on using scripts. : : -Manually, pressing return sends a both CR and LF. Everything : works fine. : -When the script issued a CR after the logon ID, it works on : the vax but not on the alpha. I can't figure out why. : -Trying to find out what happened, I did "set mac echo on" on the : alpha. The problem no longer occurred. "set mac echo off" : made the problem show up again. This does not make sense. : -When the script issued both CR and LF after the logon ID, It : worked on both vax and alpha. : : Any explanation about the difference dialing out from the vax : and alpha would be appreciated. : OK, I think I'm awake this time. But I can't explain the difference without some additional information. The business about having to send LF after a CR is not normal for a serial connection, and makes it sound more like a TELNET connection. So the question is: what is on the other end of the dialup connection? Is it a terminal server that uses TELNET protocol to communicate with the SCO system? Is it the same terminal server in both cases? TELNET protocol says that carriage returns, when used to indicate the end of a line or command, must be sent as CR and LF, to distinguish them from carriage returns used for overstriking, which are to be sent as CR followed by NUL. Thus if you are dialing a terminal server that uses TELNET to get to the Alpha, then it would appear that the terminal server is not doing the proper CR -> CRLF conversion. Presumably you could fix the terminal server's configuration and the problem would go away (and if you can, you should), otherwise you have to send the extra LF yourself, as you have done in this case. You can also force EVERY CR to be sent as CRLF by giving the following command to C-Kermit: set terminal newline-mode on So that's one possible explanation. However, the fact that "set macro echo on" makes the problem go away raises additional suspicions that point in the direction of a timing problem. These tend to occur when your script "types ahead" and the application that your script is talking to clears its input buffer of the material that your script has sent to it in advance of when it is requested, and this happens most often during the login process, as a security precaution against cracking programs. Now your script is not "typing ahead", but there is still that split second between the time the host clears its buffer and when it's safe to start sending characters again. Sometimes all you need is the judiciously-placed PAUSE command, e.g.: input 20 Username: if fail stop 1 No username prompt output \m(myusername)\13 input 10 Password: if fail stop 1 No password prompt pause 1 output \m(mypassword)\13 If none of this helps, then get back to me directly and we'll go into it more deeply. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Mar 19 15:46:45 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA08641 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 1996 15:46:43 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id PAA14151 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 19 Mar 1996 15:46:40 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!news.ingr.com!imci4!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.internetMCI.com!news-admin From: 0002016821@mcimail.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Problem with HP-48 and Kermit Date: 19 Mar 1996 18:27:21 GMT Organization: InternetMCI Lines: 10 Message-ID: <4imua9$7rf@news.internetmci.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: dialup510.washington.mci.net I am having difficulty sending a file larger than about 12k to my HP-48 using kermit. Any suggestions on why this might be happening ? tia Kevin J Murphy post or email 0002016821@mcimail.com From news@columbia.edu Tue Mar 19 16:15:58 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA12473 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 1996 16:15:55 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id QAA14806 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 19 Mar 1996 16:15:47 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.compuserve.com!newsmaster From: 101622.1370@compuserve.com (Sean Quinn) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: CHALLENGING AND LUCRATIVE CAREER OPPORTUNITY Date: Tue, 19 Mar 1996 20:12:32 GMT Organization: CompuServe Incorporated Lines: 12 Message-ID: <4in4ab$4vd@dub-news-svc-2.compuserve.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: dd34-184.compuserve.com X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Based in South East of England with some travel in the USA and Europe. Two Senior Engineers Positions both requiring a minimum of FIVE years developement experience in UNIX and C. The first position also requires extensive X500 expertise. The second requires extensive experience of either Enterprise wide messaging or Automated workflow systems. BOTH POSITIONS PAYING UP TO £40k FOR THE RIGHT PERSON. Professional Headhunter, Hoggett Bowers Search & Selection, 7-9 Bream`s Buildings, Chancery Lane, London, EC4A 1DY, Tel: 0171 430 9000, Fax: 0171 405 5995 From news@columbia.edu Tue Mar 19 16:56:39 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA17667 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 1996 16:56:38 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id QAA15845 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 19 Mar 1996 16:56:35 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Problem with HP-48 and Kermit Date: 19 Mar 1996 21:56:26 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 27 Message-ID: <4inaia$ff1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4imua9$7rf@news.internetmci.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4imua9$7rf@news.internetmci.com>, <0002016821@mcimail.com> wrote: : I am having difficulty sending a file larger than about 12k : to my HP-48 using kermit. Any suggestions on why this might : be happening ? : Using which Kermit? Which version? If it is MS-DOS Kermit (current version 3.14), you will need to configure it specially for connection to the HP-48. First of all, the HP-48 doesn't support any kind of flow control, so tell Kermit to: SET FLOW NONE Secondly, the HP-48 serial port is unable to receive characters for a fraction of a second when it is switching from sending to receiving. But since it does not support flow control, it doesn't have any way of telling your PC not to send during that time. So you have to tell Kermit to pause after each packet. Try one or both of these: set send pause 1000 set receive pause 1000 The number is milliseconds, so 1000 of them = 1 second. You might be able to make it smaller, or you might have to make it bigger. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Mar 19 17:22:57 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA20816 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 1996 17:22:56 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id RAA16914 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 19 Mar 1996 17:22:54 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!netaxs.com!news2.cais.net!news.cais.net!news.ac.net!imci4!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!uwm.edu!msunews!netnews.upenn.edu!Lehigh.EDU!Lehigh.EDU!not-for-mail From: jmt7@Lehigh.EDU Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: K95 PRODUCT macro bug? Date: 19 Mar 1996 11:40:12 -0500 Lines: 20 Message-ID: <4imo1c$16ao@ns2-1.CC.Lehigh.EDU> NNTP-Posting-Host: ns2-1.cc.lehigh.edu Hi, I believe there may be a bug in the PRODUCT macro in K95. From our host we send the escape sequences '\033[1~' and '\033[2~' back to the PC Kermit where we have a PRODUCT macro defined to put the PC Kermit in server mode ('\033[1~') or to receive a file ('\033[2~'). K95 does not seem to be recognizing the code '\033[1~'. It does, however, recognize the '\033[2~' code. Both of these sequences are recognized in v3.14. --------------------------------------------------------------------- John M. Troiano Internet: jmt7@lehigh.edu Lehigh University Computing Center phone: (610)758-5060 Rm. 183 E.W. Fairchild/Martindale Bldg. fax: (610)974-6436 8B E. Packer Ave. Bethlehem, PA 18015 From news@columbia.edu Tue Mar 19 18:16:18 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA27486 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 1996 18:16:17 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id SAA18402 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 19 Mar 1996 18:16:15 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: K95 PRODUCT macro bug? Date: 19 Mar 1996 23:16:03 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 20 Message-ID: <4inf7j$hur@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4imo1c$16ao@ns2-1.CC.Lehigh.EDU> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4imo1c$16ao@ns2-1.CC.Lehigh.EDU>, wrote: : I believe there may be a bug in the PRODUCT macro in K95. From our host : we send the escape sequences '\033[1~' and '\033[2~' back to the PC Kermit : where we have a PRODUCT macro defined to put the PC Kermit in server mode : ('\033[1~') or to receive a file ('\033[2~'). : : K95 does not seem to be recognizing the code '\033[1~'. It does, however, : recognize the '\033[2~' code. Both of these sequences are recognized in : v3.14. : Actually, it would be more accurate to say that if K95 does anything at all in response to these sequences, THAT would be a bug. The PRODUCT macro and associated escape sequence is not supported in Kermit 95, and it should be phased out for use with MS-DOS Kermit too, since we now have a much more flexible way of doing the same thing, namely the APC sequence. You can read all about it in your CKERMIT.UPD file (K95) or KERMIT.UPD file (MS-DOS Kermit). It works for both K95 and MS-DOS Kermit, and also for UNIX and VMS C-Kermit and some others too. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Mar 19 18:19:53 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA27972 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 1996 18:19:52 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id SAA18455 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 19 Mar 1996 18:19:49 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: K95 PRODUCT macro bug? Date: 19 Mar 1996 23:19:35 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 19 Message-ID: <4infe7$i0f@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4imo1c$16ao@ns2-1.CC.Lehigh.EDU> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4imo1c$16ao@ns2-1.CC.Lehigh.EDU>, wrote: : I believe there may be a bug in the PRODUCT macro in K95. From our host : we send the escape sequences '\033[1~' and '\033[2~' back to the PC Kermit : where we have a PRODUCT macro defined to put the PC Kermit in server mode : ('\033[1~') or to receive a file ('\033[2~'). : : K95 does not seem to be recognizing the code '\033[1~'. It does, however, : recognize the '\033[2~' code. : Oops, sorry -- I forgot to explain this in my previous posting. It does NOT recognize the '\033[2~' code. Rather, K95 recognizes the other Kermit's first file-transfer packet. This is a new feature called "autodownload" that we hope to be adding to other Kermit versions too. In other words, it would have worked exactly the same way even if you had not sent the '\033[2~' code nor defined a PRODUCT macro. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Mar 19 18:54:05 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA01939 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 1996 18:54:05 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id SAA19345 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 19 Mar 1996 18:53:59 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!warwick!yama.mcc.ac.uk!news.u-net.com!news From: Andy Stephens Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: A quick newbie question on C-Kermit... Date: 19 Mar 1996 20:06:16 GMT Organization: U-NET limited Lines: 13 Message-ID: <4in43o$a10@nuntius.u-net.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: chesh6.u-net.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1 (Windows; I; 16bit) First, my thanks to Frank da Cruz for offering some info on C-Kermit over Pathworks/LAT. The other problem I had with record delimiting of VMS text files is now fixed after installing the current version of C-Kermit. My question is, why are transfers from PC to Vax (1800cps) slower than the other direction (2800cps)? I am using it thru DEC servers at 19.2k. Is this simply caused by Vax performance? Thanks, Andy. 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Professional Headhunter, Hoggett Bowers Search & Selection, 7-9 Bream`s Buildings, Chancery Lane, London, EC4A 1DY, Tel: 0171 430 9000, Fax: 0171 405 5995 From news@columbia.edu Tue Mar 19 18:54:06 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA01937 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 1996 18:54:04 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id SAA19349 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 19 Mar 1996 18:53:59 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!newsxfer2.itd.umich.edu!agate!dog.ee.lbl.gov!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Problem with HP-48 and Kermit Message-ID: <1996Mar19.132723.76744@cc.usu.edu> Date: 19 Mar 96 13:27:23 MDT References: <4imua9$7rf@news.internetmci.com> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 9 In article <4imua9$7rf@news.internetmci.com>, 0002016821@mcimail.com writes: > I am having difficulty sending a file larger than about 12k > to my HP-48 using kermit. Any suggestions on why this might > be happening ? ------------- None, unless you wish to reveal more information, starting with which version of Kermit and the protocol setup used. We will presume the HP48 has enough free capacity to absorb larger files. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Tue Mar 19 21:29:37 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA19482 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 1996 21:29:36 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id VAA23502 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 19 Mar 1996 21:29:33 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!news.dfn.de!news.dkrz.de!news.rrz.uni-hamburg.de!news.Hanse.DE!mwhh!ranahh.hanse.de!vgrote From: vgrote@ranahh.hanse.de (Volkmar Grote) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: How to get string with '\' into take script? Distribution: world Message-ID: <314efc48.52414e414848@ranahh.hanse.de> Date: Tue, 19 Mar 1996 19:26:16 +0100 References: <31418faf.52414e414848@ranahh.hanse.de> <4hvpm2$ilp@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <314dba9e.52414e414848@ranahh.hanse.de> Organization: Hanse Networking eV, Hamburg X-Newsreader: rnr v2.13 X-Posting-Software: UUPC/extended 1.12k inews (11Dec94 12:33) Lines: 82 I wrote: > fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: > >> In article <31418faf.52414e414848@ranahh.hanse.de>, >> Volkmar Grote wrote: > > [ ... ] > >> : Can I prevent Kermit from interpreting the '\'s? Or can I >> : substitute them on the command line so they come out correctly >> : in the output commands? >> : >> I think the answer is pretty simple, if not obvious, but I am not >> certain because I haven't seen your script. > > [ ... ] > >> Now suppose you want to keep the backslashes (U-umlauts) intact. We >> have a function for that, \fcontents(): >> >> echo \fcontents(\%a) >> a\7b\%c\\d >> >> Does this help? > > Ten out of ten! I still have to get my checksums right ... ... and the funny difference between "output", "echo" and "write screen" when it comes to backslashes. Kermit is called as "kermit script = string" with doubled backslashes. The script: ----------- set take echo off define \%p 3 xif > \v(args) 3 { - if EQUAL \&@[2] = - assign \%t \&@[\%p], - increment \%p, - while < \%p \v(args) { - assign \%t \fcontents(\%t) \&@[\%p], - increment \%p } - } - else { - assign \%t Eine unbekannte Stoerung liegt vor, - } write screen write screen \fcontents(\%t) \13 echo echo \fcontents(\%t) \13 output output \fcontents(\%t) \13 quit ----------- The output: ----------- output XXXXXXXXXXXX \-Test R\DELN 1 \ 2 \ 3 \ 4 \ 1 \ <=; write screen XXXXXXXXXXXX \-Test R\DELN 1 \ 2 \\ 3 \\\ 4 \\\\ 1 \ <=; echo XXXXXXXXXXXX \-Test R\DELN 1 \ 2 \\ 3 \\\ 4 \\\\ 1 \ <=; ----------- Any ideas? Volkmar PS: Please respond in email also, as I go on a holiday on Thursday ... -- vgrote@ranahh.hanse.DE Volkmar Grote, Gilbertstrasse 25, D-22767 Hamburg, Germany, +49-40-31 33 39 "I want to die peacefully in my sleep, just like my grandfather... Not screaming in terror, like his passengers!" (jbs@asns.tredydev.unisys.com) From news@columbia.edu Wed Mar 20 00:56:51 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA07460 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 1996 00:56:50 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id AAA07172 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 20 Mar 1996 00:56:48 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!netaxs.com!news2.cais.net!news.cais.net!news.ac.net!imci4!newsfeed.internetmci.com!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!nntp.crl.com!crl.crl.com!not-for-mail From: randyd@crl.com (Randy Ding) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Problem with HP-48 and Kermit Date: 19 Mar 1996 15:25:48 -0800 Organization: CRL Network Services (415) 705-6060 [Login: guest] Lines: 24 Message-ID: <4infps$6gu@crl.crl.com> References: <4imua9$7rf@news.internetmci.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: crl.com In article <4imua9$7rf@news.internetmci.com>, <0002016821@mcimail.com> wrote: >I am having difficulty sending a file larger than about 12k >to my HP-48 using kermit. Any suggestions on why this might >be happening ? > > >tia >Kevin J Murphy >post or email >0002016821@mcimail.com > You are not giving much info here. Be sure to: set con p all for transferrs to the hp48. also be sure you: set flow xon Tell us exactly what your settings are on both hp and kermit, and what version of kermit you are using. Randy. randyd@crl.com http://www.crl.com/~randyd From news@columbia.edu Wed Mar 20 05:16:08 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id FAA27420 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 1996 05:16:07 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id FAA17219 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 20 Mar 1996 05:16:05 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!hamblin.math.byu.edu!acs2.byu.edu!news.cuny.edu!caen!usenet.cis.ufl.edu!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news.mathworks.com!uhog.mit.edu!uw-beaver!news.u.washington.edu!news.alt.net!news1.alt.net!news.aa.net!ratty.wolfe.net!usenet From: Baus Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Fax modems and old versions of Kermit Date: 18 Mar 1996 22:34:54 GMT Organization: Wolfe Internet Access, L.L.C. Lines: 9 Message-ID: <4ikoee$k6m@ratty.wolfe.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: sea-ts1-p31.wolfenet.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.22 (Windows; I; 16bit) Are there any known problems with using Kermit version 2.32 with fax modems on both sides? Can not get file transfers to work with fax modems on both sides but can when one side or both is not a fax modem. Any help? Thanks, Steve From news@columbia.edu Wed Mar 20 10:04:04 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA00271 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 1996 10:04:04 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA12149 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 20 Mar 1996 10:03:58 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Fax modems and old versions of Kermit Date: 20 Mar 1996 15:03:46 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 18 Message-ID: <4ip6oi$brf@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4ikoee$k6m@ratty.wolfe.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4ikoee$k6m@ratty.wolfe.net>, Baus wrote: : Are there any known problems with using Kermit version 2.32 with fax : modems on both sides? Can not get file transfers to work with fax modems : on both sides but can when one side or both is not a fax modem. : Most modems today have fax capability and this presents no problem at all. Just make sure the modems are in data mode. There is no reason why you should not upgrade your Kermit version to 3.14, the current one -- not even size. The medium-size version, KERMITE.EXE, is about the same size as 2.32. And of course, newer versions always work better than older ones -- that's why we keep having new versions. Version 3.14 comes with a large selection of dialing scripts for modern high-speed data/fax modems. Just use the appropriate script and everything should work just fine. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Mar 20 10:17:38 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA02113 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 1996 10:17:37 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA12459 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 20 Mar 1996 10:17:35 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.os.vms Subject: Re: A quick newbie question on C-Kermit... Date: 20 Mar 1996 15:17:23 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 35 Message-ID: <4ip7i3$c54@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4in43o$a10@nuntius.u-net.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:4914 comp.os.vms:123347 In article <4in43o$a10@nuntius.u-net.net>, Andy Stephens wrote: : First, my thanks to Frank da Cruz for offering some info on C-Kermit over : Pathworks/LAT. The other problem I had with record delimiting of VMS text : files is now fixed after installing the current version of C-Kermit. : : My question is, why are transfers from PC to Vax (1800cps) slower than : the other direction (2800cps)? I am using it thru DEC servers at 19.2k. : Is this simply caused by Vax performance? : The most likely suspect is, again, the LAT service. Let us hearken back to the good old days when there was the big computer and lots of terminals connected to it. People could only type on the terminal, that's all. So the heaviest traffic that could go from the terminal to the computer was human keystrokes, about 10 cps tops. But one tiny command from a human could result in huge amounts of traffic from the computer to the terminal, like: type oed.txt This is the model upon which LAT is designed (and (parenthetically) also many other kinds of terminal servers). It is not symmetrical. File transfer in the terminal-to-host direction suffers. It's as if the Long Island Expressway had ten lanes going into the city, and one lane coming back. I am not a LAT expert, so I can't tell you whether or how to improve the situation, but I am vaguely aware that DECservers can be configured every which way, perhaps using software called LATmaster, and maybe the buffer sizes in the two directions are among the items that can be configured. If so, then try making them the same size. VMS and/or LAT experts, feel free to pitch in here... - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Mar 20 11:22:49 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA09778 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 1996 11:22:48 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA14100 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 20 Mar 1996 11:22:43 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: How to get string with '\' into take script? Date: 20 Mar 1996 16:22:26 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 38 Message-ID: <4ipbc2$doe@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <31418faf.52414e414848@ranahh.hanse.de> <4hvpm2$ilp@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <314dba9e.52414e414848@ranahh.hanse.de> <314efc48.52414e414848@ranahh.hanse.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <314efc48.52414e414848@ranahh.hanse.de>, Volkmar Grote wrote: : ... : ... and the funny difference between "output", "echo" and "write screen" : when it comes to backslashes. : Here are the differences: 1. ECHO and WRITE SCREEN treat backslashes the same way. ECHO differs from WRITE SCREEN by supplying the line terminator, whereas WRITE SCREEN only writes the characters that you tell it to write. 2. OUTPUT does something funny (funnier than usual :-) with backslashes, as documented on page 278 of "Using C-Kermit" (p.322 of "C-Kermit Einfuehrung u. Referenz"), namely, \b or \B == BREAK, \l or \L == Long Break, and (this is newer than the books) \n or \N == NUL. This is amplified a little bit in the CKCKER.BWR file: In OUTPUT commands only, \B and \\B send a BREAK signal, and \L and \\L send a Long BREAK signal, and \N and \\N send a NUL (ASCII 0). BREAK and Long BREAK are special signals, not characters, and NUL is a character that normally cannot be included in a C string, since it is the C string terminator. If you really want to output a backslash followed by a B, an L, or an N (as is needed to configure certain modems, etc), use "output \fliteral(\B)" (can be abbreviated, e.g. "out \flit(\B)") -- same for L or N. You can also use "output \\\\B" (yes, four backslashes); same for L or N. (End quote) Experimentation shows that when one or more successive backslashes are not followed by a B, L, or N (or b, l, or n) in an OUTPUT command, it behaves just like ECHO and WRITE SCREEN until we have four backslashes, and then it starts behaving differently. Mea culpa. I will have to investigate this one and fix the problem unless I can find a good excuse not to :-) - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Mar 20 13:59:10 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA28607 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 1996 13:59:08 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id NAA18060 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 20 Mar 1996 13:59:05 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!EU.net!Belgium.EU.net!news From: Lieven Tomme Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Please advise on uncommon kermit implementation Date: Wed, 20 Mar 1996 16:36:38 +0100 Organization: LVD Company n.v. Lines: 29 Message-ID: <31502606.62E94955@lvd.be> NNTP-Posting-Host: 193.74.13.254 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (X11; I; Linux 1.1.59 i486) Hello, Thank you for reading. Without explaining the backgrounds (to save your *and* my valuable time), I would appreciate advice towards the following need : I need an implementation of a kermit server running on a PC under Windows 95, that should be able to handle 'get' and 'send' client requests in a special way : - upon reception of a 'get', the server should roam several user definable directories, dependant on the the requested file name extension, in search for the particular file. - upon reception of a send, the server should place the particular file in a directory that depends solely on the extension of the file name. The filenames themselves BTW can be 20 characters long, plus the extension. Transmission will go over an ordinary serial line. The only "solution" I see at this moment, consists of incorporating that functionality in the sources. I believe I may be quite convinced that there is no such a thing as a combination of a kermit version plus script that should make my day. And knowing that K95 sources are not being distributed, I don't know where to start ... Looking forward to get on the road towards a solution, Lieven From news@columbia.edu Wed Mar 20 15:29:47 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA09234 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 1996 15:29:45 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id PAA20726 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 20 Mar 1996 15:29:42 -0500 (EST) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!imci5!imci4!newsfeed.internetmci.com!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!gerlach From: gerlach@netcom.com (Matthew H. Gerlach) Subject: 7 vs 8 terminal bits with expect Message-ID: Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) Date: Wed, 20 Mar 1996 17:45:25 GMT Lines: 32 Sender: gerlach@netcom17.netcom.com Hello fellow kermiters, Currently I am using a PERL based implementation of EXPECT with kermit to perform serial based automated testing of products we sell. I prefer this method rather than writing straight kermit scripts because perl has such wonderful pattern matching capabilities. For completeness I am running with CKermit 190 on a SunOS 4.1.4 machine. Anyway there is a pseudo tty between kermit and my perl script. The script reads and writes to this pseudo ttya, and then kermit reads and writes out the serial port. kermit gets fired up with the following command: kermit -Y -l /dev/ttyA2 -b 38400 -C "set flow RTS/CTS, set terminal bytesize 8, log session ttyA2, connect" So here is my problem: the box kermit it talking to sends 8 bit characters. The most significant bit is set when a particular attribute is turned on. Even when this attribute is turned on, kermit masks the MSB before delivering the byte to my perl program. When I use kermit directly it shows the plain ascii character with MSB stripped as well. In short, how do I get access to this most significant bit? I tried using 'set terminal debug on', and this was helpful, but not exactly what I want. It appears when terminal debugging is on, a character with the MSB set will be displayed as ~X where X is the ascii representation of the least significant 7 bits. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Matthew H. Gerlach From news@columbia.edu Wed Mar 20 16:20:54 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA15783 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 1996 16:20:52 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id QAA22046 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 20 Mar 1996 16:20:48 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Please advise on uncommon kermit implementation Date: 20 Mar 1996 21:20:35 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 28 Message-ID: <4ipsr3$lge@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <31502606.62E94955@lvd.be> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <31502606.62E94955@lvd.be>, Lieven Tomme wrote: : I need an implementation of a kermit server running on a PC under : Windows 95, that should be able to handle 'get' and 'send' client : requests in a special way : : - upon reception of a 'get', the server should roam several : user definable directories, dependant on the the requested : file name extension, in search for the particular file. : - upon reception of a send, the server should place the : particular file in a directory that depends solely on : the extension of the file name. : The filenames themselves BTW can be 20 characters long, plus : the extension. Transmission will go over an ordinary serial line. : : The only "solution" I see at this moment, consists of incorporating : that functionality in the sources. I believe I may be quite : convinced that there is no such a thing as a combination of : a kermit version plus script that should make my day. : And knowing that K95 sources are not being distributed, I don't : know where to start ... : Here is a better idea. Use Kermit 95 exactly as it is, but rather than run it in server mode, run it in host mode. Make your modifications to the host-mode script. Very easy. You have all the string manipulation and file-checking functions you need. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Mar 20 16:25:07 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA16248 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 1996 16:25:05 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id QAA22140 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 20 Mar 1996 16:24:58 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: 7 vs 8 terminal bits with expect Date: 20 Mar 1996 21:24:50 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 31 Message-ID: <4ipt32$ljp@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Matthew H. Gerlach wrote: : : Currently I am using a PERL based implementation of EXPECT with : kermit to perform serial based automated testing of products we sell. : I prefer this method rather than writing straight kermit scripts because : perl has such wonderful pattern matching capabilities. : : For completeness I am running with CKermit 190 on a SunOS 4.1.4 machine. : : Anyway there is a pseudo tty between kermit and my perl script. The : script reads and writes to this pseudo ttya, and then kermit reads and : writes out the serial port. : : kermit gets fired up with the following command: : kermit -Y -l /dev/ttyA2 -b 38400 : -C "set flow RTS/CTS, set term byte 8, log session ttyA2, connect" : : So here is my problem: the box kermit it talking to sends 8 bit : characters. The most significant bit is set when a particular attribute : is turned on. Even when this attribute is turned on, kermit masks the : MSB before delivering the byte to my perl program. When I use kermit : directly it shows the plain ascii character with MSB stripped as well. : : In short, how do I get access to this most significant bit? : As explained in the user manual, "Using C-Kermit", page 88, the command is: SET COMMAND BYTESIZE 8 - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Mar 20 19:43:15 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA09493 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 1996 19:43:15 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id TAA29028 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 20 Mar 1996 19:43:12 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!newsrelay.iastate.edu!news.physics.uiowa.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.cac.psu.edu!news.math.psu.edu!psuvax1!news.cc.swarthmore.edu!netnews.upenn.edu!Lehigh.EDU!Lehigh.EDU!not-for-mail From: jmt7@Lehigh.EDU Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: K95 PRODUCT macro bug? Date: 20 Mar 1996 14:05:09 -0500 Lines: 33 Message-ID: <4ipkt5$m18@ns5-1.CC.Lehigh.EDU> NNTP-Posting-Host: ns5-1.cc.lehigh.edu In article <4inf7j$hur@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Fr ank da Cruz) writes: >In article <4imo1c$16ao@ns2-1.CC.Lehigh.EDU>, wrote: >: I believe there may be a bug in the PRODUCT macro in K95. From our host >: we send the escape sequences '\033[1~' and '\033[2~' back to the PC Kermit >: where we have a PRODUCT macro defined to put the PC Kermit in server mode >: ('\033[1~') or to receive a file ('\033[2~'). >: >: K95 does not seem to be recognizing the code '\033[1~'. It does, however, >: recognize the '\033[2~' code. Both of these sequences are recognized in >: v3.14. >: >Actually, it would be more accurate to say that if K95 does anything at all >in response to these sequences, THAT would be a bug. The PRODUCT macro and >associated escape sequence is not supported in Kermit 95, and it should be >phased out for use with MS-DOS Kermit too, since we now have a much more >flexible way of doing the same thing, namely the APC sequence. You can >read all about it in your CKERMIT.UPD file (K95) or KERMIT.UPD file (MS-DOS >Kermit). It works for both K95 and MS-DOS Kermit, and also for UNIX and >VMS C-Kermit and some others too. > >- Frank Frank, I trashed the PRODUCT macro stuff in favor of the APC feature and it works great - many thanks! - John From news@columbia.edu Wed Mar 20 21:13:38 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA18112 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 1996 21:13:38 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id VAA01599 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 20 Mar 1996 21:13:34 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!sgigate.sgi.com!nntp.coast.net!news.kei.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!portal.gmu.edu!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newslink.runet.edu!not-for-mail From: ibelooze@runet.edu (Ilya) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit does not work with 'screen' program Date: 21 Mar 1996 01:28:30 GMT Organization: Radford University Lines: 10 Message-ID: <4iqbbu$sb0@newslink.runet.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: muselab-gw.runet.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [UNIX 1.3 950824BETA PL0] I could not get kermit to work with the 'screen' program. When I start a new shell with control-a c and start kermit in it, files do not transfer at all but I have not figured out why yet. FYI. ========================================================================== Ilya Beloozerov Email: ibelooze@runet.edu Public PGP key is available at http://www.cs.runet.edu/~ibelooze This message is sponsored by the First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution. ========================================================================== From news@columbia.edu Wed Mar 20 22:38:37 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA25278 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 1996 22:38:36 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id WAA03737 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 20 Mar 1996 22:38:34 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!sgigate.sgi.com!uhog.mit.edu!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!ralph.vnet.net!usenet From: mbaucom@vnet.net (Milton Baucom) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Cycle thru arguments? Date: Thu, 21 Mar 1996 00:16:03 GMT Organization: Vnet Internet Access, Charlotte, NC - info@char.vnet.net Lines: 10 Message-ID: <31509f0c.83643245@news.vnet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: catfish.vnet.net X-Newsreader: Forte Agent .99d/32.182 Given that \v(argc) will give me the number of arguements to a macro, and I can access them via \%1, \%2, etc., how can I programatically select which arguement to look at. For instance, I want a for loop using \v(argc) to echo each arg. I can't seem to make that happen. Any help is appreciated. MAB From news@columbia.edu Thu Mar 21 00:40:39 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA05848 for ; Thu, 21 Mar 1996 00:40:38 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id AAA08196 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 21 Mar 1996 00:40:37 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit does not work with 'screen' program Date: 21 Mar 1996 05:40:08 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 17 Message-ID: <4iqq3o$7v1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4iqbbu$sb0@newslink.runet.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4iqbbu$sb0@newslink.runet.edu>, Ilya wrote: : : I could not get kermit to work with the 'screen' program. When I start a : new shell with control-a c and start kermit in it, files do not transfer : at all but I have not figured out why yet. FYI. No File Transfers cannot be sent through a 'screen' session since screen does not provide a clear data path. It uses its own set of control mechanisms. Notice that Ctrl-A is uses to start a command. Well, Ctrl-A is also Kermit's default start-of-packet character. Therefore, everytime a packet is sent to the host the Ctrl-A is probably stripped by 'screen'. Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 * 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 * (212) 854-1344 C-Kermit 5A(191) for OS/2: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cko191.html Kermit 95 for Windows 95 : http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html From news@columbia.edu Thu Mar 21 09:19:19 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA26374 for ; Thu, 21 Mar 1996 09:19:19 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id JAA06656 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 21 Mar 1996 09:19:16 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Cycle thru arguments? Date: 21 Mar 1996 14:18:56 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 90 Message-ID: <4irogg$6fn@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <31509f0c.83643245@news.vnet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <31509f0c.83643245@news.vnet.net>, Milton Baucom wrote: : Given that \v(argc) will give me the number of arguements to a macro, : and I can access them via \%1, \%2, etc., how can I programatically : select which arguement to look at. : : For instance, I want a for loop using \v(argc) to echo each arg. I : can't seem to make that happen. : You didn't say whether you were using C-Kermit or MS-DOS Kermit. In C-Kermit, the technique is easy (if not totally obvious): def xx - echo ARGC = \v(argc), - asg \%i 0, - :loop,- asg \%x \\%\%i, - echo \\%\%i = \%x, - increment \%i, - if < \%i \v(argc) goto loop Here we compose the name of the argument variable and assign it to \%x: asg \%x \\%\%i then we evaluate \%x: echo ... \%x Since evaluation of a variable is recursive (unless we say otherwise), \%x evaluates to \%3 or whatever, which is then itself evaluated, revealing the macro argument value: xx a b c ARGC = 4 \%0 = xx \%1 = a \%2 = b \%3 = c Your seemingly innocent question, unfortunately, revealed all sorts of little problems. First of all, the C-Kermit example above should have been codable as a FOR-loop: def xx - echo ARGC = \v(argc), - for \%i 0 \v(argc) 1 { - asg \%x \\%\%i, - echo \\%\%i = \%x, - } But that doesn't work because the wrong value is used for \v(argc). It does work, however, if you make a copy first: def xx - asg \%n \v(argc), - echo ARGC = \%n, - for \%i 0 \%n 1 { - asg \%x \\%\%i, - echo \\%\%i = \%x, - } For MS-DOS Kermit, we go back to the first example, since MS-DOS Kermit doesn't (yet) have FOR loops. Unfortunately, it doesn't work, and no amount of trickery seems to let us "compose" a variable name on the fly. So the following stupid technique can be used instead (of course it also works in C-Kermit): def yy - echo ARGC = \v(argc), - asg \%i 0, - :loop,- if = \%i 0 asg \%x \%0, - if = \%i 1 asg \%x \%1, - if = \%i 2 asg \%x \%2, - if = \%i 3 asg \%x \%3, - if = \%i 4 asg \%x \%4, - if = \%i 5 asg \%x \%5, - if = \%i 6 asg \%x \%6, - if = \%i 7 asg \%x \%7, - if = \%i 8 asg \%x \%8, - if = \%i 9 asg \%x \%9, - echo \%i. \%x, - increment \%i, - if < \%i \v(argc) goto loop What we probably should do (besides fixing the bugs noted above) is make the argument vector available in an array that is local to the macro. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Mar 21 09:30:10 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA27540 for ; Thu, 21 Mar 1996 09:30:08 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id JAA06889 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 21 Mar 1996 09:30:03 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit does not work with 'screen' program Date: 21 Mar 1996 14:29:46 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 38 Message-ID: <4irp4q$6n0@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4iqbbu$sb0@newslink.runet.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4iqbbu$sb0@newslink.runet.edu>, Ilya wrote: : : I could not get kermit to work with the 'screen' program. When I start a : new shell with control-a c and start kermit in it, files do not transfer : at all but I have not figured out why yet. FYI. : >From the ckuker.bwr (C-Kermit for Unix "beware" file): C-Kermit will not work as expected on a remote UNIX system, when used through the "splitvt" or GNU "screen" programs. In this case, terminal connections to the remote UNIX system work, but attempts to transfer files fail because the screen optimization (or at least, line wrapping, control-character absorption) done by this package interferes with Kermit's packets. (end quote) You might try the following -- what we call "doomsday Kermit" settings to push packets through even the densest and most obstructive connections, such as the one you have. Give these commands to BOTH Kermit programs: SET FLOW NONE SET CONTROL PREFIX ALL SET RECEIVE PACKET-LENGTH 70 SET RECEIVE START 62 SET SEND START 62 SET SEND PAUSE 100 SET BLOCK B If it works, it will be slow. But I'll bet you can't find anything else that works at all. I have heard that there are versions of "screen" floating around that have been modified to allow regular Kermit transfers through them, but I would not know where to tell you to start looking for them. Please report back and let us know how it goes. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Mar 21 20:23:15 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA19451 for ; Thu, 21 Mar 1996 20:23:15 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id UAA23749 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 21 Mar 1996 20:23:13 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!agate!newsxfer2.itd.umich.edu!gatech!news.mathworks.com!uhog.mit.edu!uw-beaver!news.u.washington.edu!news.alt.net!news1.alt.net!news.aa.net!ratty.wolfe.net!usenet From: Baus Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Hayes kermit problems Date: 20 Mar 1996 20:48:26 GMT Organization: Wolfe Internet Access, L.L.C. Lines: 10 Message-ID: <4ipquq$flt@ratty.wolfe.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: sea-ts2-p56.wolfenet.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.22 (Windows; I; 16bit) Any idea why a Hayes 14.4 fax modem would drop the line when trying to start a file transfer using Kermit. I can do the exact same thing using a Zoom fax modem. Can get the Hayes to connect but as soon as you try to start sending a file it drops the line. Have tried turning off the fax capability but no luck. An insight would be most appreciated, Steve From news@columbia.edu Thu Mar 21 20:23:16 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA19450 for ; Thu, 21 Mar 1996 20:23:15 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id UAA23747 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 21 Mar 1996 20:23:13 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!lll-winken.llnl.gov!hookup!news.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!cs.tu-berlin.de!news From: Michael Agbaglo Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Q: Client/Server w/ MS-Kermit ? Date: Thu, 21 Mar 1996 23:23:57 +0100 Organization: TU Berlin Lines: 12 Message-ID: <3151D6FD.34B@cs.tu-berlin.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: 130.149.17.235 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0GoldB2 (WinNT; I) I'd like to have one machine as a server, answering the call and then going into server mode. The other should call get one file, receive one file and disconnect. on the client side I wrote s.th. like dial 1111111 send foo get bar but instead of dialing kermit goes immediately into transfer mode. What's that ? (MS-Kermit 3.1x, where x=1,2 or 3 - I don't remember...) From news@columbia.edu Thu Mar 21 22:10:23 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA02046 for ; Thu, 21 Mar 1996 22:10:22 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id WAA26409 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 21 Mar 1996 22:10:18 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!netaxs.com!news2.cais.net!news.cais.net!news.ac.net!imci4!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!lerc.nasa.gov!purdue!oitnews.harvard.edu!news.dfci.harvard.edu!usenet From: Richard Pieri Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit does not work with 'screen' program Date: 21 Mar 1996 09:16:26 -0500 Organization: Dana-Farber Cancer Institute Lines: 29 Sender: ratinox@unilab.dfci.harvard.edu Message-ID: References: <4iqbbu$sb0@newslink.runet.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: unilab.dfci.harvard.edu In-reply-to: ibelooze@runet.edu's message of 21 Mar 1996 01:28:30 GMT X-Posting-Software: Gnus v5.0.15 [ NNTP-based News Reader for GNU Emacs ] X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.0.15 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >>>>> "I" == Ilya writes: I> I could not get kermit to work with the 'screen' program. When I I> start a new shell with control-a c and start kermit in it, files do I> not transfer at all but I have not figured out why yet. FYI. You cannot perform file transfers through iScreen shells since iScreen is not "transparent" to the data stream. You will need to suspend iScreen in ordero to perform file transfers. There has been disucssion about a future version of iScreen having a transparent mode that would allow file transfers from a pty window, but I have not heard anything about it in some time. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3 Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBMVFku56VRH7BJMxHAQF7qgP8CBVq5lg9C9VZSTRc7GvtmvNEFW5Iu2VM uzQduSTNjOTVOCYPu31jEZJwByQ7wk3Z8yZWMKWEnMhDQ6MLCl5w1lF8buJyBzCX o1YU9uCFd7pF7dSz2Y4TGFfM6vXOveyuIyUQlx5pRI1x/CexeXYIwxDjw/Aib/Qw ELcZXMLLG/U= =6HzS -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- Richard Pieri/Information Services \ Never sleep alone when you can sleep on \ someone's face. -A cat's guide to life http://www.dfci.harvard.edu/ \ From news@columbia.edu Fri Mar 22 10:26:59 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA10293 for ; Fri, 22 Mar 1996 10:26:59 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA00976 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 22 Mar 1996 10:26:56 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Hayes kermit problems Date: 22 Mar 1996 15:26:47 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 11 Message-ID: <4iugrn$u3@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4ipquq$flt@ratty.wolfe.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4ipquq$flt@ratty.wolfe.net>, Baus wrote: : Any idea why a Hayes 14.4 fax modem would drop the line when trying to : start a file transfer using Kermit. I can do the exact same thing : using a Zoom fax modem. Can get the Hayes to connect but as soon as you : try to start sending a file it drops the line. Have tried turning off : the fax capability but no luck. : What software are you using? What version? On what kind of computer? Running what operating system? What version of the operating system? - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Mar 22 10:33:18 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA11111 for ; Fri, 22 Mar 1996 10:33:17 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA01108 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 22 Mar 1996 10:33:14 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Q: Client/Server w/ MS-Kermit ? Date: 22 Mar 1996 15:32:57 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 34 Message-ID: <4iuh79$125@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3151D6FD.34B@cs.tu-berlin.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3151D6FD.34B@cs.tu-berlin.de>, Michael Agbaglo wrote: : I'd like to have one machine as a server, answering the call and then going : into server mode. The other should call get one file, receive one file and : disconnect. : : on the client side I wrote s.th. like : : dial 1111111 : send foo : get bar : : but instead of dialing kermit goes immediately into transfer mode. : What's that ? (MS-Kermit 3.1x, where x=1,2 or 3 - I don't remember...) : DIAL is a macro, not a built-in command, in versions 3.13 and previous. If the DIAL macro is not defined, e.g. because the standard MSKERMIT.INI file was not executed or the appropriate dialing script could not be found, then obviously DIAL would not do anything. Solution: upgrade to 3.14, the current version, which will still do something akin to dialing under these conditions. Also, make sure you've installed Kermit correctly so that its initialization file is executed and its dialing macros can be found. Finally, when writing a script, always use IF FAILURE or IF SUCCESS after each command to handle errors -- as explained in the manual "Using MS-DOS Kermit" (and its German-language counterpart "MS-DOS-Kermit, Das Universelle Kommunikationsprogramm"). See our Web page for further information about current Kermit software versions and manuals: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Mar 22 19:43:50 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA13739 for ; Fri, 22 Mar 1996 19:43:50 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id TAA14589 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 22 Mar 1996 19:43:48 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!netaxs.com!news2.cais.net!news.cais.net!news.ac.net!imci4!newsfeed.internetmci.com!uwm.edu!fnnews.fnal.gov!gw1.att.com!nntphub.cb.att.com!not-for-mail From: js@hornet.ho.att.com (Jeff Siegel) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MS-Dos Kermit 3.14 problem with my PCMCIA modem's uart Date: 22 Mar 1996 15:10:18 GMT Organization: att.com Lines: 32 Distribution: usa Message-ID: <4iufsq$ggp@nntpb.cb.att.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: hornet.hr.att.com I am having a problem with MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 patch level 9 running on an AT&T Globalyst 200S laptop with an AT&T Keep-In-Touch 28.8K data/fax pcmcia modem (model 3765-B1-261 A) The problem is that characters arriving from the other end of the connection seem to get "stuck" in a buffer somwhere and don't appear on my screen until additional characters arrive to "push" them out. For example, I usually connect to Unix workstations. If my shell prompt is set to "\home\jeff: " on my screen will appear: \home\j If I press return, then the "eff: " will come out on the screen followed by another "\home\j" Essentially, the last few characters always stuck inside the modem (or kermit) instead of being displayed. Kermit identifies the modem as COM2, Port \x2F8, IRQ3, 16550A Other DOS comm packages don't exhibit this problem with my modem. I have borrowed a different brand of modem and tried it, and it did work ok with kermit. So it appears to be a compatibility problem between kermit and my modem. Unfortunately, it is too late to return my modem 8-( Jeff js@hornet.att.com From news@columbia.edu Fri Mar 22 21:07:30 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA20073 for ; Fri, 22 Mar 1996 21:07:29 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id VAA16280 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 22 Mar 1996 21:07:28 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!netaxs.com!news2.cais.net!news.cais.net!news.ac.net!imci4!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!EU.net!Belgium.EU.net!news From: Lieven Tomme Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Please advise on uncommon kermit implementation Date: Fri, 22 Mar 1996 15:58:08 +0100 Organization: LVD Company n.v. Lines: 17 Message-ID: <3152C000.4A83D34C@lvd.be> References: <31502606.62E94955@lvd.be> <4ipsr3$lge@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: 193.74.13.254 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (X11; I; Linux 1.1.59 i486) Frank da Cruz wrote: > Here is a better idea. Use Kermit 95 exactly as it is, but rather > than run it in server mode, run it in host mode. > > Make your modifications to the host-mode script. Very easy. > You have all the string manipulation and file-checking functions > you need. The APC commands offer a lot, while it is a pleasure looking inside the host mode script files, but this mode still looks not to solve my problems, since the client side concerns an implementation able to submit get/send requests, nothing more, nothing less. It still looks to me that I do need a kermit server. Does this mean I have to start hacking into kermit sources, and if so, what sources should you advise me to start from ? From news@columbia.edu Sat Mar 23 00:00:47 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA03781 for ; Sat, 23 Mar 1996 00:00:46 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id AAA20376 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 23 Mar 1996 00:00:39 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!news.rediris.es!news.cica.es!mckynas From: cc0gahum@lucano.uco.es (McKyna's) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Print Screen Key not work with kermit95? Date: Fri, 22 Mar 96 19:31:44 GMT Organization: UCO Lines: 13 Message-ID: <4iuv0a$rgs@erika.cica.es> NNTP-Posting-Host: mckynas.uco.es Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8895-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Newsreader: News Xpress 2.0 Beta #0 Keyword: keys definition With kermit 3.14 for DOS and gold.com I can define the Print Screen Key to emulate the 'Do' key in a vt220 terminal. But with kermit95 I can't do it It's because The Print Screen key is invisible to Kermit -- just like in DOS. It is handled directly by the operating system. Kermit can't see it at all. Please anyone knows any program that generate any escape keys in Print Screen key and so I can catch this key pulsation. Any help will be very preciated. Thanks in advance. From news@columbia.edu Sat Mar 23 10:08:19 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA28052 for ; Sat, 23 Mar 1996 10:08:18 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA20286 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 23 Mar 1996 10:08:16 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Please advise on uncommon kermit implementation Date: 23 Mar 1996 15:08:05 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 31 Message-ID: <4j144l$jpp@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <31502606.62E94955@lvd.be> <4ipsr3$lge@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3152C000.4A83D34C@lvd.be> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3152C000.4A83D34C@lvd.be>, Lieven Tomme wrote: : Frank da Cruz wrote: : : > Here is a better idea. Use Kermit 95 exactly as it is, but rather : > than run it in server mode, run it in host mode. : > : > Make your modifications to the host-mode script. Very easy. : > You have all the string manipulation and file-checking functions : > you need. : : The APC commands offer a lot, while it is a pleasure looking : inside the host mode script files, but this mode still looks not : to solve my problems, since the client side concerns an : implementation able to submit get/send requests, nothing more, : nothing less. It still looks to me that I do need a kermit server. : : Does this mean I have to start hacking into kermit sources, and if : so, what sources should you advise me to start from ? : No, no source hacking is necessary. Just start Kermit 95 in server mode from your application: k95 -x -l xxx where xxx is the numeric file descriptor for the connection that your application has already opened. If you need further assistance with this, send email direct to kermit-support@columbia.edu. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sat Mar 23 10:23:00 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA29434 for ; Sat, 23 Mar 1996 10:23:00 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA20596 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 23 Mar 1996 10:22:57 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-Dos Kermit 3.14 problem with my PCMCIA modem's uart Date: 23 Mar 1996 15:22:50 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 68 Distribution: usa Message-ID: <4j150a$k3f@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4iufsq$ggp@nntpb.cb.att.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4iufsq$ggp@nntpb.cb.att.com>, Jeff Siegel wrote: : I am having a problem with MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 patch level 9 running on an : AT&T Globalyst 200S laptop with an AT&T Keep-In-Touch 28.8K data/fax : pcmcia modem (model 3765-B1-261 A) : : The problem is that characters arriving from the other end of the connection : seem to get "stuck" in a buffer somwhere and don't appear on my screen until : additional characters arrive to "push" them out. : : For example, I usually connect to Unix workstations. If my shell prompt : is set to "\home\jeff: " on my screen will appear: : : \home\j : : If I press return, then the "eff: " will come out on the screen followed by : another "\home\j" Essentially, the last few characters always stuck inside : the modem (or kermit) instead of being displayed. : : Kermit identifies the modem as COM2, Port \x2F8, IRQ3, 16550A : : Other DOS comm packages don't exhibit this problem with my modem. : Kermit is interrupt driven, the other communication packages probably poll. Polling is a no-no in Windows. : I have borrowed a different brand of modem and tried it, and it did work : ok with kermit. So it appears to be a compatibility problem between : kermit and my modem. Unfortunately, it is too late to return my modem 8-( : If the UART sets the bit saying it has characters available, Kermit gets an interrupt on interrupt request (IRQ) line 3 (in this case) and grabs the character(s) and handles them instantaneously. There are many possible explanations. Some that spring immediately to mind are: 1. You've got an interrupt conflict on IRQ3. 2. You have a flow-control mismatch. Modern modems support RTS/CTS flow control and so does Kermit. Make sure both Kermit and the modem are configured to use RTS/CTS. 3. The UART not setting the "characters available" bit promptly enough. That is, it's waiting until its FIFO buffer fills up before telling the PC that it has characters available. Hopefully your PCMCIA card comes with some kind of management program that lets you tune things like this. 4. Same as (3), but it's the modem half of the PCMCIA card doing this, not the UART half. Some modems are "tuned" for network applications like file transfer and wait for an internal buffer to fill up before passing data along to the "other side". There is generally a timeout value too, which says when to send the data even if the buffer is not filled up. Hopefully this can be tuned in the modem configuration. As a test of (4), try disabling your modem's error correction and data compression and see if that makes the problem go away. If you would care to report back, I'm sure many readers would be interested to learn the outcome. Also, what dialing script are you using? Does one of the pre-packed scripts work for you? If so, which one? If not, did you create a new one? If so could you send it in? If not, if you could furnish us with the modem's command list, then we could make one for you. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sat Mar 23 11:21:05 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA04872 for ; Sat, 23 Mar 1996 11:21:05 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA21812 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 23 Mar 1996 11:21:03 -0500 (EST) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!psinntp!psinntp!psinntp!psinntp!scisun!deng From: deng@scisun.sci.ccny.cuny.edu (Hua Deng) Subject: K95 dialer-trumpet conflict Message-ID: Organization: City College Of New York - Science Division Date: Sat, 23 Mar 1996 14:31:23 GMT Lines: 5 After upgrading K95 to v1.14, I could not use my modem to make any connection because trumpet winsock was installed on my pc. When I start a connection from K95 dialer, it automatically activates the trumpet and that blocks the modem port (com2). Is there a way to fix the problem? I reinstalled 1.1 but I hope I could use the newer versons of K95. From news@columbia.edu Sat Mar 23 12:21:59 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA10448 for ; Sat, 23 Mar 1996 12:21:59 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id MAA23023 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 23 Mar 1996 12:21:57 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: K95 dialer-trumpet conflict Date: 23 Mar 1996 17:21:49 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 24 Message-ID: <4j1bvd$mfd@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Hua Deng wrote: : After upgrading K95 to v1.14, I could not use my modem to make any : connection because trumpet winsock was installed on my pc. When I start : a connection from K95 dialer, it automatically activates the trumpet and : that blocks the modem port (com2). Is there a way to fix the problem? : I reinstalled 1.1 but I hope I could use the newer versons of K95. This is a design flaw in 32-bit Trumpet Beta. Unlike the Microsoft Winsock, Trumpet assumes that it should start a SLIP/PPP connection whenever a Winsock application starts. The MS Winsock waits until the Winsock app tries to make a connection. A more reasonable thing to do. My suggestion would be to (a) turn-off auto-connect in Trumpet; and (b) contact the authors of Trumpet, to whon I assume you paid the shareware fee, and mention the problem you are having. Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 * 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 * (212) 854-1344 C-Kermit 5A(191) for OS/2: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cko191.html Kermit 95 for Windows 95 : http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html From news@columbia.edu Sun Mar 24 05:09:56 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id FAA06355 for ; Sun, 24 Mar 1996 05:09:55 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id FAA14793 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 24 Mar 1996 05:09:52 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!netaxs.com!news2.cais.net!news.cais.net!ringer.cs.utsa.edu!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!news.palantir.com!news.IntNet.net!jtomich From: jtomich@IntNet.net (Jeff Tomich) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Help setting up Kermit as a Server Date: 24 Mar 1996 03:11:17 GMT Organization: Intelligence Network Online, Inc. Lines: 9 Message-ID: <4j2egl$5q0@mercury.IntNet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: xcalibur.intnet.net X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] I would like to use msdos kermit as a server waiting for me to call in and have access to issue commands just like being at the kermit prompt. Any help on this or point me in the direction, I would really appreciate it. P.S. I found nothing at the kermit home page. thanks, Jeff From news@columbia.edu Sun Mar 24 10:29:04 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA06643 for ; Sun, 24 Mar 1996 10:29:03 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA09162 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 24 Mar 1996 10:29:01 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!lll-winken.llnl.gov!uwm.edu!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-Dos Kermit 3.14 problem with my PCMCIA modem's uart Message-ID: <1996Mar24.073936.76887@cc.usu.edu> Date: 24 Mar 96 07:39:36 MDT References: <4iufsq$ggp@nntpb.cb.att.com> Distribution: usa Organization: Utah State University Lines: 37 In article <4iufsq$ggp@nntpb.cb.att.com>, js@hornet.ho.att.com (Jeff Siegel) writes: > I am having a problem with MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 patch level 9 running on an > AT&T Globalyst 200S laptop with an AT&T Keep-In-Touch 28.8K data/fax > pcmcia modem (model 3765-B1-261 A) > > The problem is that characters arriving from the other end of the connection > seem to get "stuck" in a buffer somwhere and don't appear on my screen until > additional characters arrive to "push" them out. > > For example, I usually connect to Unix workstations. If my shell prompt > is set to "\home\jeff: " on my screen will appear: > > \home\j > > If I press return, then the "eff: " will come out on the screen followed by > another "\home\j" Essentially, the last few characters always stuck inside > the modem (or kermit) instead of being displayed. > > Kermit identifies the modem as COM2, Port \x2F8, IRQ3, 16550A > > > Other DOS comm packages don't exhibit this problem with my modem. I have > borrowed a different brand of modem and tried it, and it did work ok with > kermit. So it appears to be a compatibility problem between kermit and my > modem. Unfortunately, it is too late to return my modem 8-( > > Jeff > > js@hornet.att.com ------- Jeff, I suspect it's not Kermit the program at fault but rather the modem initialization string used to initiate calls. That's a guess. If you use such strings via the dialer scripts please have a look at the elements sent for your modem, compare them with what the modem's manual says, and maybe one will stand out as suspicious. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sun Mar 24 10:53:06 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA08669 for ; Sun, 24 Mar 1996 10:53:05 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA09587 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 24 Mar 1996 10:53:04 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Help setting up Kermit as a Server Date: 24 Mar 1996 15:52:54 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 16 Message-ID: <4j3r4m$9bf@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4j2egl$5q0@mercury.IntNet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4j2egl$5q0@mercury.IntNet.net>, Jeff Tomich wrote: : I would like to use msdos kermit as a server waiting for me to call in : and have access to issue commands just like being at the kermit prompt. : : Any help on this or point me in the direction, I would really appreciate it. : : P.S. I found nothing at the kermit home page. : Look in the manual, "Using MS-DOS Kermit". Chapters 10 and 11 cover this subject. If you don't have the manual, please purchase it. Instructions are on the Web page: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/manuals.html - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sun Mar 24 23:48:09 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA21301 for ; Sun, 24 Mar 1996 23:48:07 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id XAA27267 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 24 Mar 1996 23:48:04 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!ennfs.eas.asu.edu!noao!CS.Arizona.EDU!news.Arizona.EDU!usenet From: Stuart.Biggar@opt-sci.arizona.edu Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Ckermit for Solaris x86 (Intel)? Date: 25 Mar 1996 03:21:14 GMT Organization: The University of Arizona Lines: 15 Message-ID: <4j53fa$js6@news.ccit.arizona.edu> Reply-To: Stuart.Biggar@opt-sci.arizona.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: cx-p.opt-sci.arizona.edu X-Newsreader: IBM NewsReader/2 v1.2.5 I was wondering if there is a binary for ckermit under Sun Solaris x86 (Intel) version 2.5? Or should the source build using the SunSoft x86 c compiler (I have it on order ...)? (I did just look in the bin directory at Columbia but didn't see anything obvious). I would like to be able to use kermit on a notebook running x86 to transfer files to/from the office Sun SPARC while on field trips, etc. Thanks, Stuart Biggar Stuart.Biggar@opt-sci.arizona.edu Optical Sciences Center, University of Arizona From news@columbia.edu Mon Mar 25 10:35:34 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA04012 for ; Mon, 25 Mar 1996 10:35:34 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA28950 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 25 Mar 1996 10:35:30 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!sgigate.sgi.com!nntp.coast.net!zombie.ncsc.mil!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!tsunami.ixa.net!news.aa.net!ratty.wolfe.net!usenet From: Baus Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Hayes kermit problems Date: 22 Mar 1996 20:50:01 GMT Organization: Wolfe Internet Access, L.L.C. Lines: 21 Message-ID: <4iv3pp$jac@ratty.wolfe.net> References: <4ipquq$flt@ratty.wolfe.net> <4iugrn$u3@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: sea-ts2-p47.wolfenet.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.22 (Windows; I; 16bit) To: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu The problem happens on a handheld computer that is running a dBase 4 application that copies a text file out to the modem to dial and then just runs kermit commands to try and do the file transfer. The handheld computer is not truely DOS although is "DOS like". The handheld manufacturer, Corvallis Micro Technology, AKA CMT, says that kermit on the hanheld should be compatible with kermit version 2.29 and 2.32 and I can get it to work with a Zoom fax modem with kermit lite version 3.14 running on the receiving PC setup in Kermit Server mode running a dBase 4 app running DOS 6.00. I do this exact thing with other brand modems using kermit 2.32 and 3.12 without any problem. Hayes has been of little help getting the Accura modems to work although some of the suggestions such as turning the fax capability off using +FCLASS=0 have helped for non Hayes modems, we have tried multiple modems and multiple cables so that should not be the problem. Any ideas what to look at. Thanks for the help, Steve From news@columbia.edu Mon Mar 25 12:21:55 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA16346 for ; Mon, 25 Mar 1996 12:21:54 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id MAA01706 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 25 Mar 1996 12:21:51 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Ckermit for Solaris x86 (Intel)? Date: 25 Mar 1996 17:21:39 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 16 Message-ID: <4j6kn3$1l7@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4j53fa$js6@news.ccit.arizona.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4j53fa$js6@news.ccit.arizona.edu>, wrote: : I was wondering if there is a binary for ckermit under Sun Solaris x86 : (Intel) version 2.5? : There is a Solaris 2.4 Intel binary, which should work: kermit/bin/ckuker.solaris2xg.2.4-Intel : Or should the source build using the SunSoft x86 c : compiler (I have it on order ...)? : It's always better to build it yourself if you can, to avoid differences that always come up from one system to another -- libraries out of sync, etc. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Mar 25 23:35:54 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA03159 for ; Mon, 25 Mar 1996 23:35:53 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id XAA18117 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 25 Mar 1996 23:35:51 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!bristlecone.together.net!vtr-sta106.ramp.together.net!user From: ggonter@together.net (Geof Gonter) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: lines on the screen Date: Mon, 25 Mar 1996 22:48:48 -0500 Organization: together.net Lines: 13 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: vtr-sta106.ramp.together.net The company for which I work just added a Digital Open VMS system. We are using Kermit, with our Intel powered MSDOS units as workstations. We are using Kermit V3.14. One, a 286 (12 Mhz, with 640K RAM) with a 12" monochrome monitor (utilizing a Hercules video card) has some problems as soon as you issue the "Connect" command. Before you connect with the digital, about 22 lines appear horizontally across the screen. I have scoured the suggested manual, reconfigured the monitor inputs, and read the "Read Me" Docs. But, I either missed the answer or it is something not associated with Kermit. Is there anyone that can offer me some enlightenment on this? I appreciate it and thank you. ---Geof Gonter--- FIDONet 1:325/501 In the shadow of Vermont's Mount Mansfield in dairy and maple syrup country. From news@columbia.edu Tue Mar 26 13:43:00 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA12509 for ; Tue, 26 Mar 1996 13:42:59 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id NAA24567 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 26 Mar 1996 13:42:56 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: lines on the screen Date: 26 Mar 1996 18:42:35 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 18 Message-ID: <4j9dqr$nvf@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Geof Gonter wrote: : The company for which I work just added a Digital Open VMS system. We are : using Kermit, with our Intel powered MSDOS units as workstations. We are : using Kermit V3.14. One, a 286 (12 Mhz, with 640K RAM) with a 12" : monochrome monitor (utilizing a Hercules video card) has some problems as : soon as you issue the "Connect" command. Before you connect with the : digital, about 22 lines appear horizontally across the screen. I have : scoured the suggested manual, reconfigured the monitor inputs, and read : the "Read Me" Docs. But, I either missed the answer or it is something not : associated with Kermit. Is there anyone that can offer me some : enlightenment on this? I appreciate it and thank you. : Try this: set terminal color 0 - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Mar 26 16:06:57 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA29205 for ; Tue, 26 Mar 1996 16:06:57 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id QAA28184 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 26 Mar 1996 16:06:54 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!imci5!imci4!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.reston.ans.net!EU.net!sun4nl!knoware.nl!usenet From: Bernard van den Berg Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: 25th line in kermit 3.14 Date: 26 Mar 1996 16:35:25 GMT Organization: Solution House Lines: 24 Message-ID: <4j96cd$klk@news.knoware.nl> NNTP-Posting-Host: lampie-ppp5.knoware.nl Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.22 (Windows; I; 16bit) I am using DOS kermit 3.14 with the option 'set mode-line off'. So I should be able to use the statusline as 25th line (like I was used to in 3.11). Unfortunately it seems to be that 3.14 is using is 25th line in a different way than 3.11 did. The application on UNIX (Concorde XAL) uses the 25th line as helpline. Every character that already was there is not shown again. Ea. : 1st helpline send: The customer's Name Result on screen : The customer's Name 2nd helpline send: The customer's Address Result on screen : Address I think the UNIX application uses a optimisation algorithm, so it only sends the changed characters. But I don't see reason for kermit to clear its whole 25th line every time there are only a few character sent to it. Is there a parameter so set to suppress the clearing ? Did I something wrong ? Please help.... From news@columbia.edu Tue Mar 26 17:10:01 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA07533 for ; Tue, 26 Mar 1996 17:09:53 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id RAA29804 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 26 Mar 1996 17:09:52 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: lines on the screen Message-ID: <1996Mar26.094651.76985@cc.usu.edu> Date: 26 Mar 96 09:46:51 MDT References: Organization: Utah State University Lines: 26 In article , ggonter@together.net (Geof Gonter) writes: > The company for which I work just added a Digital Open VMS system. We are > using Kermit, with our Intel powered MSDOS units as workstations. We are > using Kermit V3.14. One, a 286 (12 Mhz, with 640K RAM) with a 12" > monochrome monitor (utilizing a Hercules video card) has some problems as > soon as you issue the "Connect" command. Before you connect with the > digital, about 22 lines appear horizontally across the screen. I have "connect with the digital": What kind of digital object? Maybe connect to the DEC VMS system. Those are underscore symbols. You can create then readily by choosing screen colors of non-bold blue on black since that's the encoding IBM created with the original PC. Check your setup via SHOW TERMINAL and look at the screen color settings; dim blue on black is 34 40 (30's are foreground, 40's are background, colors add as 1 R, 2 G, 4 B). A more useable mono screen color command is SET TERM COL 10 37 40 (bold white on black). Joe D. > scoured the suggested manual, reconfigured the monitor inputs, and read > the "Read Me" Docs. But, I either missed the answer or it is something not > associated with Kermit. Is there anyone that can offer me some > enlightenment on this? I appreciate it and thank you. > > ---Geof Gonter--- FIDONet 1:325/501 > In the shadow of Vermont's Mount Mansfield in dairy and maple syrup country. From news@columbia.edu Tue Mar 26 22:53:46 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA15521 for ; Tue, 26 Mar 1996 22:53:46 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id WAA08861 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 26 Mar 1996 22:53:43 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!panix!cmcl2!news!is2.NYU.EDU!tjoconnr From: tjoconnr@is2.nyu.edu (Tom O'Connor) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Help!! MacKermit w/PCI modem card Date: 27 Mar 1996 00:33:09 GMT Organization: New York University Lines: 18 Message-ID: <4ja2c5$qq7@news.nyu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: is2.nyu.edu NNTP-Posting-User: root X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Has anyone out there tried to run MacKermit on one of the new PowerBook 5300's w/ a PCI modem card? From what I can tell, Kermit does not seem to be aware of the existence of the PCI port -- only the standard modem or printer ports. When either of these are selected, blammo! Program freezes, or else no response at communication screen and then program freezes. Any assistance would be greatly appreciated. Tom O'Connor tom.oconnor@nyu.edu --->*<--- From news@columbia.edu Wed Mar 27 07:01:16 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA24489 for ; Wed, 27 Mar 1996 07:01:15 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id HAA29142 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 27 Mar 1996 07:01:12 -0500 (EST) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!skroeker From: Steve Kroeker Subject: Using kermit to "talk" to modem. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <3158AE1C.3474@netcom.com> Sender: skroeker@netcom20.netcom.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: Raytheon Corp References: <4ja2c5$qq7@news.nyu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 02:55:24 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (X11; I; HP-UX A.09.05 9000/715) Lines: 9 Hello, I periodically use kermit to dial up the net. That works fine. I've got some new firmware for my modem and want to download it. I'm running Unix on an HP box. I've browsed some of the books and FAQs and found no info. Has anyone done this before? Thanks for any help. Steve From news@columbia.edu Wed Mar 27 15:19:12 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA13078 for ; Wed, 27 Mar 1996 15:19:06 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id PAA19801 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 27 Mar 1996 15:19:01 -0500 (EST) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!sgigate.sgi.com!imci3!imci4!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!EU.net!chsun!news.eunet.ch!olsen.ch!martint From: martint@olsen.ch (Martin Thomann) Subject: Loop RX to TX with kermit Message-ID: Sender: news@olsen.ch Organization: Olsen & Associates AG, Zurich, Switzerland X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 14:31:17 GMT Lines: 14 I want to loop the Received Data to the Trasnmit Data. This is like setting a loop at the modem. I tried a short script for \%i 1 40 1 {INPUT 1 IF SUCCESS OUTPUT \v(INPUT), CLEAR INPUT-BUFFER} but somehow I do not get all that has been sent. (The buffer \v(INPUT) is up to 256 characters) Do you know how to do this best? Maybe there is even a command to do it. Martin From news@columbia.edu Wed Mar 27 22:16:40 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA29554 for ; Wed, 27 Mar 1996 22:16:39 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id WAA00219 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 27 Mar 1996 22:16:37 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!ncar!imci4!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.reston.ans.net!nntp.crl.com!crl.crl.com!not-for-mail From: randyd@crl.com (Randy Ding) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Problem with EOF Date: 27 Mar 1996 18:27:30 -0800 Organization: CRL Network Services (415) 705-6060 [Login: guest] Lines: 44 Message-ID: <4jctei$h9e@crl.crl.com> References: <4jckum$6p4@news.internetmci.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: crl.com In article <4jckum$6p4@news.internetmci.com>, <0002016821@mcimail.com> wrote: >I have recently used version 3.14 to send a file to my HP-48. >With flow control set to none and send pause = 1000, I was not able >to finish receiving the file on the HP-48 side. The pc screen >shows 100% sent but the last 3 packets (more or less) never seem >to get to the HP-48. Actually, the hp does use xon/xoff. Also, you MUST set con p all. Below is what I have always used, put it in your k95custom.ini. Omit the line that says set protocol if you are using 3.14. Don't need to mess with the send pause. Note: If the following does not work, then you have another problem.. possibly with your cable or something. ; ------------------------------------------- ; hp48 binary and text file transfer commands ; Macros for transferring files in text and binary mode... define bsend binary,send \%1 \%2 ; SEND in binary mode define tsend text,send \%1 \%2 ; SEND in text mode define bget binary,get \%1 ; GET in binary mode define tget text,get \%1 ; GET in text mode define hpsetup,- set port com1,- set speed 9600,- set protocol kermit,- set flow xon,- set parity none,- set con p all define bgethp hpsetup,- set file type binary,- get \%1 define btohp hpsetup, do bsend \%1 \%2 define tohp hpsetup, do tsend \%1 \%2 define frhp hpsetup, receive \%1 From news@columbia.edu Wed Mar 27 22:40:42 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA01570 for ; Wed, 27 Mar 1996 22:40:42 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id WAA00767 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 27 Mar 1996 22:40:40 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.eecs.umich.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!ncar!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!nntp-hub2.barrnet.net!news.PBI.net!ns2.mainstreet.net!bug.rahul.net!rahul.net!a2i!dold.a2i!dold From: Clarence Dold Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Loop RX to TX with kermit Date: 28 Mar 1996 02:13:56 GMT Organization: a2i network Lines: 23 Message-ID: <4jcsl4$661@bug.rahul.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: foxtrot.rahul.net NNTP-Posting-User: dold X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Martin Thomann (martint@olsen.ch) wrote: : I want to loop the Received Data to the Trasnmit Data. This is : like setting a loop at the modem. I think trying to transmit and receive on the same port requires a buffered UART. The interrupt latency involved would make it difficult to do what you want in a high level script. It is difficult enough with assembly. What I have done is to run a null modem between two ports on the same machine, and then run two copies of MS-Kermit in separate windows under MSWin 3.11. I can transfer files from one port to the other with kermit protocol, as well as ascii "transmit" with good success. On a Unix box with intelligent serial ports, I have had a cascade of one port to the next resulting in all eight ports seeing the same characters. This either works or not, depending on how good the Unix implementation is, which is the point under test ;-) -- --- Clarence A Dold - dold@rahul.net - Pope Valley & Napa CA. From news@columbia.edu Wed Mar 27 23:17:54 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA04830 for ; Wed, 27 Mar 1996 23:17:53 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id XAA01741 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 27 Mar 1996 23:17:51 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.internetMCI.com!news-admin From: 0002016821@mcimail.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Problem with EOF Date: 28 Mar 1996 00:02:30 GMT Organization: InternetMCI Lines: 15 Message-ID: <4jckum$6p4@news.internetmci.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: dialup35.washington.mci.net I have recently used version 3.14 to send a file to my HP-48. With flow control set to none and send pause = 1000, I was not able to finish receiving the file on the HP-48 side. The pc screen shows 100% sent but the last 3 packets (more or less) never seem to get to the HP-48. Does anybody have any suggestions ? tia Kevin J Murphy post here or email: 0002016821@mcimail.com From news@columbia.edu Wed Mar 27 23:17:55 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA04831 for ; Wed, 27 Mar 1996 23:17:54 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id XAA01743 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 27 Mar 1996 23:17:51 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!news.corpcomm.net!news.pe.net!imci4!newsfeed.internetmci.com!salliemae!europa.chnt.gtegsc.com!news.umbc.edu!news.ums.edu!nova.umuc.edu!gdimitog From: gdimitog@polaris.umuc.edu (George Dimitoglou) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: I need a copy og KERMIT Date: 28 Mar 1996 00:58:12 GMT Organization: University of Maryland University College Lines: 5 Message-ID: <4jco74$7gv@nova.umuc.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: polaris.umuc.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Is kermit for MS-DOS shareware? if yes where can I download a copy from? Thanks George From news@columbia.edu Thu Mar 28 04:36:59 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id EAA01353 for ; Thu, 28 Mar 1996 04:36:59 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id EAA08250 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 28 Mar 1996 04:36:57 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!newsfeed.internetmci.com!gatech!gt-news!ccrf-news!rhoward From: rhoward@matd.gatech.edu (Robert L. Howard) Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.comm,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: C-Kermit (OS/2): Auto-Exit? Date: 28 Mar 1996 05:08:14 GMT Organization: Georgia Tech Research Institute Lines: 29 Message-ID: <4jd6ru$asl@siberia.gtri.gatech.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: willie.gtri.gatech.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.os.os2.comm:6132 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:4955 I have just begun using C-Kermit under OS/2 Warp as (primarily) a telnet client (replacing the sorry one included in Warp Connect). My only complaint is that I have to fire up Kermit (from its program object icon), then type 'telnet host' from the Kermit prompt, then after I logout type 'quit' at the Kermit prompt again. What I would like is to have a program object for a given host such that C-Kermit immediately jumps to the telnet session *and* then after I logout from the remote host have Kermit quit by itself. One solution I found was to place '-C "telnet host,exit"' on the parameters line of the program object. This works well with one exception. I can't Alt-x back to the Kermit prompt in the middle of a session because (I'm guessing) the 'exit' command is then processed. So, is there another way to do this? Thanks, Robert -- | Robert L. Howard | Georgia Tech Research Institute | | robert.howard@gtri.gatech.edu | SEAL / ATDD | | (770) 528-7165 | Atlanta, Georgia 30332 | ------------------------------------------------------------------------- |"Government subsidies can be critically analyzed according to a simple | | principle: You are smarter than the government, so when the government| | pays you to do something you wouldn't do on your own, it is almost | | always paying you to do something stupid." -- P.J. O'Rourke | From news@columbia.edu Thu Mar 28 07:43:44 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA23146 for ; Thu, 28 Mar 1996 07:43:43 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id HAA28425 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 28 Mar 1996 07:43:40 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.eecs.umich.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!ncar!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.reston.ans.net!psinntp!psinntp!psinntp!psinntp!cmcl2!news!is2.NYU.EDU!tjoconnr From: tjoconnr@is2.nyu.edu (Tom O'Connor) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Help!! MacKermit w/PCI modem card Date: 28 Mar 1996 01:47:31 GMT Organization: New York University Lines: 34 Message-ID: <4jcr3j$omr@news.nyu.edu> References: <4ja2c5$qq7@news.nyu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: is2.nyu.edu NNTP-Posting-User: root X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Tom O'Connor (tjoconnr@is2.nyu.edu) wrote: : Has anyone out there tried to run MacKermit on one of the new PowerBook : 5300's w/ a PCI modem card? From what I can tell, Kermit does not seem : to be aware of the existence of the PCI port -- only the standard modem : or printer ports. When either of these are selected, blammo! Program : freezes, or else no response at communication screen and then program : freezes. : Any assistance would be greatly appreciated. : Tom O'Connor : tom.oconnor@nyu.edu : --->*<--- Answered my own question. There is a new, experimental version of kermit available through http://www.columbia.edu/kermit (kermit.rick.sea) which can make use of the PC card, although I have not checked it out fully to see what other problems it might have. -- Cheers, Tom O'Connor Mail: tom.oconnor@nyu.edu --->*<--- From news@columbia.edu Thu Mar 28 08:10:47 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA05247 for ; Thu, 28 Mar 1996 08:10:42 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id IAA00651 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 28 Mar 1996 08:10:33 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.eecs.umich.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!news.mathworks.com!gatech!gt-news!ccrf-news!hamlet!rhoward From: rhoward@hamlet (Robert L. Howard) Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.comm,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: C-Kermit (OS/2): Auto-Exit? Date: 28 Mar 1996 04:48:11 GMT Organization: Georgia Tech Research Institute Lines: 25 Message-ID: <4jd5mb$amf@siberia.gtri.gatech.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: hamlet.gtri.gatech.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.os.os2.comm:6137 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:4957 I have just begun using C-Kermit under OS/2 Warp as (primarily) a telnet client (replacing the sorry one included in Warp Connect). My only complaint is that I have to fire up Kermit (from its program object icon), then type 'telnet host' from the Kermit prompt, then after I logout type 'quit' at the Kermit prompt again. What I would like is to have a program object for a given host such that C-Kermit immediately jumps to the telnet session *and* then after I logout from the remote host have Kermit quit by itself. One solution I found was to place '-C "telnet host,exit"' on the parameters line of the program object. This works well with one exception. I can't Alt-x back to the Kermit prompt in the middle of a session because (I'm guessing) the 'exit' command is then processed. So, is there another way to do this? Thanks, Robert -- | Robert L. Howard | Georgia Tech Research Institute | | robert.howard@gtri.gatech.edu | SEAL / ATDD | | (770) 528-7165 | Atlanta, Georgia 30332 | ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From news@columbia.edu Thu Mar 28 08:57:26 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA00180 for ; Thu, 28 Mar 1996 08:57:24 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id IAA01755 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 28 Mar 1996 08:57:21 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.comm,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-Kermit (OS/2): Auto-Exit? Date: 28 Mar 1996 13:57:13 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 47 Message-ID: <4je5rp$1mp@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4jd5mb$amf@siberia.gtri.gatech.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.os.os2.comm:6141 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:4958 In article <4jd5mb$amf@siberia.gtri.gatech.edu>, Robert L. Howard wrote: : I have just begun using C-Kermit under OS/2 Warp as (primarily) a : telnet client (replacing the sorry one included in Warp Connect). : My only complaint is that I have to fire up Kermit (from its program : object icon), then type 'telnet host' from the Kermit prompt, then : after I logout type 'quit' at the Kermit prompt again. Please read the CKERMIT.INF file (UPDATES command) for a complete description of using C-Kermit with the Workplace Shell. : What I would like is to have a program object for a given host such : that C-Kermit immediately jumps to the telnet session *and* then : after I logout from the remote host have Kermit quit by itself. Several solutions: ckermit -j -c or the one you used below. : One solution I found was to place '-C "telnet host,exit"' on the : parameters line of the program object. This works well with one : exception. I can't Alt-x back to the Kermit prompt in the middle : of a session because (I'm guessing) the 'exit' command is then : processed. Not directly possible. you could create your own macro define myconnect connect, if eq "\v(ttyfd)" "-1" exit Then on the command line use ckermit -C "set host , if success myconnect" Then Alt-X will bring you back to the command prompt if you are still connected, if not you will exit. When ready to go back to CONNECT mode, use your myconnect macro instead of the connect command. Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 * 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 * (212) 854-1344 C-Kermit 5A(191) for OS/2: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cko191.html Kermit 95 for Windows 95 : http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html From news@columbia.edu Thu Mar 28 09:47:01 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA06775 for ; Thu, 28 Mar 1996 09:47:00 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id JAA02995 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 28 Mar 1996 09:46:57 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Loop RX to TX with kermit Date: 28 Mar 1996 14:46:42 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 16 Message-ID: <4je8oi$2td@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Martin Thomann wrote: : I want to loop the Received Data to the Trasnmit Data. This is : like setting a loop at the modem. : : I tried a short script : : for \%i 1 40 1 {INPUT 1 IF SUCCESS OUTPUT \v(INPUT), CLEAR INPUT-BUFFER} : Try this: for \%i 1 40 1 {INPUT 1, IF SUCCESS OUTPUT \v(INCHAR), CLEAR INPUT-BUFFER} (A comma was missing, and you should use \v(inchar), not \v(input) -- see ckcker.upd.) - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Mar 28 09:49:35 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA07079 for ; Thu, 28 Mar 1996 09:49:34 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id JAA03034 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 28 Mar 1996 09:49:28 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: I need a copy og KERMIT Date: 28 Mar 1996 14:49:15 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 63 Message-ID: <4je8tb$2uk@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4jco74$7gv@nova.umuc.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4jco74$7gv@nova.umuc.edu>, George Dimitoglou wrote: : Is kermit for MS-DOS shareware? if yes where can I download a copy from? : It is not shareware, but you can download a copy. We ask you also to please purchase the manual. MS-DOS Kermit 3.14: Anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/archives, binary mode, file msvibm.zip. If you had a previous version of MS-DOS Kermit, and you want to install the new version over it, first make safe copies of your MSCUSTOM.INI and DIALUPS.TXT files, as well as any other file you might have modified. Then unzip (with PKUNZIP or equivalent) using the "-d" switch to preserve the directory structure. Then read the top-level READ.ME file for further installation instructions. For complete, step-by-step instructions on using MS-DOS Kermit, please purchase the manual. It both an introduction for new users and a reference manual. Sales of the manual are the primary source of funding for the MS-DOS Kermit development and support effort. Christine M. Gianone, "Using MS-DOS Kermit", Second Edition, Digital Press / Butterworth-Heinemann, Woburn, MA, 1992, 345 pages, ISBN 1-55558-082-3. Packaged with version 3.14 of MS-DOS Kermit for the IBM PC, PS/2, and compatibles on a 3.5-inch diskette. US single-copy price: $39.95; quantity discounts available. Available in computer bookstores or directly from: Kermit Development and Distribution Columbia University Academic Information Systems 612 West 115th Street New York NY 10025-7721 USA Voice: +1 212 854-3703 Fax: +1 212 663-8202 Email: kermit@columbia.edu Web: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ Domestic and overseas orders accepted. Price: $39.95 (US, Canada, and Mexico), $50 elsewhere. Orders may be paid by MasterCard or Visa, or prepaid by check in US dollars. Add $35 bank fee for checks not drawn on a US bank. Price includes shipping. Do not include sales tax. You can also order by phone from the publisher, Digital Press / Butterworth-Heinemann, with MasterCard, Visa, or American Express: +1 800 366-2665 (Woburn, Massachusetts office for USA & Canada) +44 1865 314627 (Oxford, England distribution centre for UK & Europe) +61 03 9245 7111 (Melbourne, Vic, office for Australia & NZ) +65 356-1968 (Singapore office for Asia) +27 (31) 2683111 (Durban office for South Africa) German and French editions are also available. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Mar 28 13:42:56 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA06073 for ; Thu, 28 Mar 1996 13:42:55 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id NAA09477 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 28 Mar 1996 13:42:52 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.denver.eti.net!imci5!pull-feed.internetmci.com!news.internetMCI.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!EU.net!sun4nl!knoware.nl!usenet From: Bernard van den Berg Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: I need a copy og KERMIT Date: 28 Mar 1996 08:37:04 GMT Organization: Solution House Lines: 11 Message-ID: <4jdj3g$9lu@news.knoware.nl> References: <4jco74$7gv@nova.umuc.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: huisie-ppp5.knoware.nl Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.22 (Windows; I; 16bit) gdimitog@polaris.umuc.edu (George Dimitoglou) wrote: >Is kermit for MS-DOS shareware? if yes where can I download a copy from? > >Thanks >George > Try www.columbia.edu . Good Luck, Bernard. From news@columbia.edu Thu Mar 28 17:50:57 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA05923 for ; Thu, 28 Mar 1996 17:50:56 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id RAA16588 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 28 Mar 1996 17:50:55 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.denver.eti.net!imci5!pull-feed.internetmci.com!news.internetMCI.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news.starnet.net!usenet From: andyc@andyc.carenet.org (Andy Carlson) Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.comm,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-Kermit (OS/2): Auto-Exit? Date: 28 Mar 1996 21:23:09 GMT Organization: Barnes Jewish Christian Health Services Inc. Lines: 38 Message-ID: <4jevvt$6gu@news.starnet.net> References: <4jd6ru$asl@siberia.gtri.gatech.edu> Reply-To: andyc@andyc.carenet.org (Andy Carlson) NNTP-Posting-Host: andyc.carenet.org X-Newsreader: IBM NewsReader/2 v1.2.5 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.os.os2.comm:6148 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:4962 In <4jd6ru$asl@siberia.gtri.gatech.edu>, rhoward@matd.gatech.edu (Robert L. Howard) writes: >What I would like is to have a program object for a given host such >that C-Kermit immediately jumps to the telnet session *and* then >after I logout from the remote host have Kermit quit by itself. > Heres what I do using a REXX command procedure: extproc c:\ckermit\ckermit.exe set network tcp/ip set telnet term vt220 set key \585 \2 set key \593 \6 set key \304 \27\118 set key \289 \22 set key \644 \Kupscn set key \630 \Kdnscn set key \409 \Kupone set key \417 \Kdnone open read c:\batch\password read \%p set host spectrum.carenet.org in 5 login: out ts55428\13 in 5 Password: out \%p\13 connect exit This connects, logs in, and closes the window when I exit from the machine. Andy Carlson email: andyc@andyc.carenet.org BJC Health System http://bjc.carenet.org/~ts55428 Get the RASFWRJ Mini FAQ by mailing to rasfwrj@bjc.carenet.org Get the Robert Jordan WoT FAQ by mailing to jordan@bjc.carenet.org From news@columbia.edu Thu Mar 28 23:06:32 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA07642 for ; Thu, 28 Mar 1996 23:06:31 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id XAA27948 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 28 Mar 1996 23:06:29 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!hpg30a.csc.cuhk.hk!news.cuhk.edu.hk!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!ennfs.eas.asu.edu!noao!math.arizona.edu!news.Arizona.EDU!aruba.ccit.arizona.edu!jychen From: jychen@aruba.ccit.arizona.edu (Joseph Y Chen) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: DOS-kermit 3.14 problem with Linux color ls Date: 29 Mar 1996 00:56:49 GMT Organization: The University of Arizona Lines: 14 Message-ID: <4jfcgh$r60@news.ccit.arizona.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: aruba.ccit.arizona.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] I'm having color problem with color ls command in linux. When I log on into my linux box which uses color ls, the terminal of DOS-kermit 3.14 is messed up with colors. I have to go back to use DOS-kermit 3.01 to avoid the mess. No matter which terminal emulator. Any hints? -- joe -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Joseph Y Chen, Grad Student Civil Engineering, Uni. of Arizona jychen@U.Arizona.EDU http://CElab3.CE.Arizona.EDU -------- finger jychen@aruba.ccit.arizona.edu for PGP public key --------- From news@columbia.edu Fri Mar 29 05:47:57 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id FAA09391 for ; Fri, 29 Mar 1996 05:47:57 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id FAA05834 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 29 Mar 1996 05:47:54 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!netaxs.com!news2.cais.net!news.cais.net!news.jsums.edu!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!csn!news-1.csn.net!ub!newserve!usenet From: bb05285@binghamton.edu (Gerry Hecht) Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.comm,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-Kermit (OS/2): Auto-Exit? Date: 28 Mar 1996 21:21:26 GMT Organization: Binghamton University, Binghamton, NY Lines: 31 Message-ID: <4jevsm$5q8@bingnet1.cc.binghamton.edu> References: <4jd5mb$amf@siberia.gtri.gatech.edu> Reply-To: bb05285@binghamton.edu (Gerry Hecht) NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.226.21.48 X-Newsreader: IBM NewsReader/2 v1.2 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.os.os2.comm:6154 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:4964 In <4jd5mb$amf@siberia.gtri.gatech.edu>, rhoward@hamlet (Robert L. Howard) writes: >I have just begun using C-Kermit under OS/2 Warp as (primarily) a >telnet client (replacing the sorry one included in Warp Connect). >My only complaint is that I have to fire up Kermit (from its program >object icon), then type 'telnet host' from the Kermit prompt, then >after I logout type 'quit' at the Kermit prompt again. > >What I would like is to have a program object for a given host such >that C-Kermit immediately jumps to the telnet session *and* then >after I logout from the remote host have Kermit quit by itself. > >One solution I found was to place '-C "telnet host,exit"' on the >parameters line of the program object. This works well with one >exception. I can't Alt-x back to the Kermit prompt in the middle >of a session because (I'm guessing) the 'exit' command is then >processed. > >So, is there another way to do this? > >Thanks, >Robert >-- >| Robert L. Howard | Georgia Tech Research Institute | >| robert.howard@gtri.gatech.edu | SEAL / ATDD | >| (770) 528-7165 | Atlanta, Georgia 30332 | >------------------------------------------------------------------------- Can't you just put the telnet address in the parameters field of the C-Kermit object's settings page (page 1) Gerry Hecht From news@columbia.edu Fri Mar 29 18:19:44 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA03248 for ; Fri, 29 Mar 1996 18:19:43 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id SAA12955 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 29 Mar 1996 18:19:40 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!daily-planet.execpc.com!news.sol.net!news.inc.net!trellis.wwnet.com!nntp.coast.net!howland.reston.ans.net!EU.net!news.eunet.cz!vse470.vse.cz!sM12h5.vse.cz!eda From: eda@vse.cz Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: DOS-kermit 3.14 problem with Linux color ls Date: Fri, 29 Mar 1996 11:38:40 GMT Organization: University of Economics Prague, CZ Lines: 23 Message-ID: References: <4jfcgh$r60@news.ccit.arizona.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: sm12h5.vse.cz In article <4jfcgh$r60@news.ccit.arizona.edu> jychen@aruba.ccit.arizona.edu (Joseph Y Chen) writes: >From: jychen@aruba.ccit.arizona.edu (Joseph Y Chen) >Subject: DOS-kermit 3.14 problem with Linux color ls >Date: 29 Mar 1996 00:56:49 GMT >I'm having color problem with color ls command in linux. When I log on >into my linux box which uses color ls, the terminal of DOS-kermit 3.14 is >messed up with colors. I have to go back to use DOS-kermit 3.01 to avoid >the mess. No matter which terminal emulator. >Any hints? On the LINUX side, do something like unset LS_COLORS unset LS_OPTIONS # or set to your preference Consider to put this into .profile along with some wrapper to do the above unsets for selected terminal types only. Good luck, Eduard Vopicka From news@columbia.edu Sat Mar 30 06:43:59 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA14300 for ; Sat, 30 Mar 1996 06:43:58 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id GAA00364 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 30 Mar 1996 06:43:54 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!hookup!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!nntp.coast.net!news00.sunet.se!sunic!news99.sunet.se!columba.udac.uu.se!Krille.Update.UU.SE!Krille.Update.UU.SE!not-for-mail From: marvi@Krille.Update.UU.SE (Markus H{rnvi) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Emacs keymap for MS-kermit Date: 30 Mar 1996 00:32:46 +0100 Organization: Update Computer Club Lines: 9 Message-ID: <4jhrvc$f7h@Krille.Update.UU.SE> NNTP-Posting-Host: krille.update.uu.se Some time ago I used C-kermit for OS/2. I had a keymap for dialing up a unix account and use Emacs. I could use ALT as Meta and it also had som other nice features. Is there a similar availible for MS-Kermit? //Markus From news@columbia.edu Sat Mar 30 12:57:58 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA07776 for ; Sat, 30 Mar 1996 12:57:57 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id MAA23208 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 30 Mar 1996 12:57:53 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!ennfs.eas.asu.edu!noao!CS.Arizona.EDU!news.Arizona.EDU!aruba.ccit.arizona.edu!jychen From: jychen@aruba.ccit.arizona.edu (Joseph Y Chen) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: DOS-kermit 3.14 problem with Linux color ls Date: 30 Mar 1996 04:33:02 GMT Organization: The University of Arizona Lines: 35 Message-ID: <4jidhu$cv2@news.ccit.arizona.edu> References: <4jfcgh$r60@news.ccit.arizona.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: aruba.ccit.arizona.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] eda@vse.cz wrote: : In article <4jfcgh$r60@news.ccit.arizona.edu> jychen@aruba.ccit.arizona.edu (Joseph Y Chen) writes: : >From: jychen@aruba.ccit.arizona.edu (Joseph Y Chen) : >Subject: DOS-kermit 3.14 problem with Linux color ls : >Date: 29 Mar 1996 00:56:49 GMT : >I'm having color problem with color ls command in linux. When I log on : >into my linux box which uses color ls, the terminal of DOS-kermit 3.14 is : >messed up with colors. I have to go back to use DOS-kermit 3.01 to avoid : >the mess. No matter which terminal emulator. : >Any hints? : On the LINUX side, do something like : unset LS_COLORS : unset LS_OPTIONS # or set to your preference : Consider to put this into .profile along with some wrapper to do the : above unsets for selected terminal types only. : Good luck, : Eduard Vopicka I've tried but it ust simply turn off the color feature. However, the old version kermit has noproblem with this feature so there got be something to do with dos-kermit 3.14. -- joe -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Joseph Y Chen, Grad Student Civil Engineering, Uni. of Arizona jychen@U.Arizona.EDU http://CElab3.CE.Arizona.EDU -------- finger jychen@aruba.ccit.arizona.edu for PGP public key --------- From news@columbia.edu Sat Mar 30 20:18:34 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA09371 for ; Sat, 30 Mar 1996 20:18:34 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id UAA02706 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 30 Mar 1996 20:18:31 -0500 (EST) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!newsfeed.internetmci.com!iglou!iglou.com!wakep From: wakep@iglou.com (J. Wakeley Purple) Subject: How to 'OUTPUT \N0' ? X-Nntp-Posting-Host: iglou Message-ID: Sender: news@iglou.com (News Administrator) Organization: IgLou Internet Services (1-800-436-4456) X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Date: Sat, 30 Mar 1996 19:34:53 GMT Lines: 7 How do you send '\N0' to disable compression negotiation on my supra? I've tried everything I know including '\92' as described in the book, but the built-in escape \N is translated into a long break or something. -- J. Wakeley Purple - wakep@iglou.com From news@columbia.edu Sun Mar 31 00:00:01 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA26745 for ; Sat, 30 Mar 1996 23:59:59 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id XAA07685 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 30 Mar 1996 23:59:54 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!cs.utk.edu!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Emacs keymap for MS-kermit Message-ID: <1996Mar30.192911.77335@cc.usu.edu> Date: 30 Mar 96 19:29:11 MDT References: <4jhrvc$f7h@Krille.Update.UU.SE> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 18 In article <4jhrvc$f7h@Krille.Update.UU.SE>, marvi@Krille.Update.UU.SE (Markus H{rnvi) writes: > Some time ago I used C-kermit for OS/2. I had a keymap for dialing up a > unix account and use Emacs. I could use ALT as Meta and it also had som > other nice features. > > Is there a similar availible for MS-Kermit? > > //Markus ---------- ALT isn't a key which generates output on its own; it isn't visible at the Bios level and above where MS-DOS Kermit works. There is no such ASCII code as "meta" and hence nothing can go across the wire for it. I believe that you want bytes with their high bits turned on, which is fine for ASCII and not so fine elsewhere (Sweden?). The way to do that is use SET KEY to define the codes you wish to be sent for the keys you expect to press. And that brings us to your personalized keymap. It's not difficult to generate one but CK and MSK keycodes are different. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sun Mar 31 03:08:33 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id DAA12540 for ; Sun, 31 Mar 1996 03:08:32 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id DAA11687 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 31 Mar 1996 03:08:26 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Emacs keymap for MS-kermit Date: 31 Mar 1996 08:08:18 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 22 Message-ID: <4jlehi$bd5@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4jhrvc$f7h@Krille.Update.UU.SE> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4jhrvc$f7h@Krille.Update.UU.SE>, Markus H{rnvi wrote: : Some time ago I used C-kermit for OS/2. I had a keymap for dialing up a : unix account and use Emacs. I could use ALT as Meta and it also had som : other nice features. : : Is there a similar availible for MS-Kermit? There are two keymap ini files that users have submitted to support EMACS in MS-DOS Kermit. They can be found on the kermit ftp site. ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/a/msiem*.ini Customize them to meet your needs. Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 * 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 * (212) 854-1344 C-Kermit 5A(191) for OS/2: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cko191.html Kermit 95 for Windows 95 : http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html From news@columbia.edu Sun Mar 31 13:56:45 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA07527 for ; Sun, 31 Mar 1996 13:56:44 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id NAA14368 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 31 Mar 1996 13:56:41 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!news.larc.nasa.gov!lll-winken.llnl.gov!uwm.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Hayes kermit problems Message-ID: <1996Mar31.103150.77342@cc.usu.edu> Date: 31 Mar 96 10:31:50 MDT References: <4ipquq$flt@ratty.wolfe.net> <4iugrn$u3@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <4iv3pp$jac@ratty.wolfe.net> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 28 In article <4iv3pp$jac@ratty.wolfe.net>, Baus writes: > The problem happens on a handheld computer that is running a dBase 4 > application that copies a text file out to the modem to dial and then > just runs kermit commands to try and do the file transfer. The handheld > computer is not truely DOS although is "DOS like". The handheld > manufacturer, Corvallis Micro Technology, AKA CMT, says that kermit on > the hanheld should be compatible with kermit version 2.29 and 2.32 and I > can get it to work with a Zoom fax modem with kermit lite version 3.14 > running on the receiving PC setup in Kermit Server mode running a dBase 4 > app running DOS 6.00. I do this exact thing with other brand modems > using kermit 2.32 and 3.12 without any problem. Hayes has been of little > help getting the Accura modems to work although some of the suggestions > such as turning the fax capability off using +FCLASS=0 have helped for > non Hayes modems, we have tried multiple modems and multiple cables so > that should not be the problem. > > Any ideas what to look at. ----------- I think the first step is for us to understand the situation, and I can't from the merged contexts in your message. Could you try again using simple sentences and indicating what components are where, and so on? Here's a hint on what you have: turn on Kermit debugging to see what the other side is saying. That's command SET DEBUG ON, and you can also LOG PACKET too for extra info. If the problem is lack of flow control between the modem and the computer then try RTS/CTS. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Mon Apr 1 00:15:36 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA22592 for ; Mon, 1 Apr 1996 00:15:35 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id AAA28432 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 1 Apr 1996 00:15:31 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!imci5!pull-feed.internetmci.com!news.internetMCI.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!csn!news-1.csn.net!ub!newsstand.cit.cornell.edu!newstand.syr.edu!usenet From: vefatica@syr.edu (Vincent Fatica) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: CKermit not respecting file name Date: Mon, 01 Apr 1996 03:10:50 GMT Organization: Syracuse University Lines: 26 Message-ID: <315f483f.178347983@128.230.1.4> References: <4jnerd$qfl@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> Reply-To: vefatica@syr.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: sudial6-246.syr.edu X-Newsreader: Forte Agent .99d/32.182 adam@orion.math.uiuc.edu (Adam H. Lewenberg) wrote: >I am SENDING the file changelog from my OS/2 system at home to a >UNIX system. I use the command > > SEND changelog ChangeLog > >But the file on the UNIX system is stored as changelog. This happens >even when I do s SET FILE NAMES LITERAL. Why is this happening? > >Thanks, Adam H. Lewenberg adam@math.uiuc.edu Adam, It sounds like you haven't told the UNIX C-Kermit to "set file names literal". By default, UNIX C-Kermit will convert names to lower case (and make no other changes). Telling the receiving C-Kermit to "set file names literal" should correct this. - Vince ___ Vincent Fatica Syracuse University Mathematics vefatica@syr.edu http://barnyard.syr.edu/~vefatica/ From news@columbia.edu Mon Apr 1 02:06:50 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id CAA02730 for ; Mon, 1 Apr 1996 02:06:49 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id CAA00733 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 1 Apr 1996 02:06:46 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!ncar!gatech!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!orion.math.uiuc.edu!adam From: adam@orion.math.uiuc.edu (Adam H. Lewenberg) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: CKermit not respecting file name Date: 1 Apr 1996 02:25:49 GMT Organization: UIUC Department of Mathematics Lines: 25 Distribution: usa Message-ID: <4jnerd$qfl@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: orion.math.uiuc.edu I am SENDING the file changelog from my OS/2 system at home to a UNIX system. I use the command SEND changelog ChangeLog But the file on the UNIX system is stored as changelog. This happens even when I do s SET FILE NAMES LITERAL. Why is this happening? Thanks, Adam H. Lewenberg adam@math.uiuc.edu [Technical info: Home kermit: C-Kermit 5A(191), 24 Apr 95, for OS/2 2.30 32-bit Numeric: 501191 Unix kermit: C-Kermit 5A(190), 4 Oct 94, for Solaris 2.x Copyright (C) 1985, 1994, Trustees of Columbia University in the City of New York. -- University of Illinois at Champaign-Urbana, Dept. Of Mathematics INTERNET: adam@math.uiuc.edu or lewenber@uiuc.edu From news@columbia.edu Mon Apr 1 14:21:26 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA19142 for ; Mon, 1 Apr 1996 14:21:25 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id OAA05385 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 1 Apr 1996 14:21:22 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!not-for-mail From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: DOS-kermit 3.14 problem with Linux color ls Date: 1 Apr 1996 14:20:53 -0500 Organization: Columbia University Lines: 16 Message-ID: <4jpaal$ijb@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4jfcgh$r60@news.ccit.arizona.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4jfcgh$r60@news.ccit.arizona.edu>, Joseph Y Chen wrote: : I'm having color problem with color ls command in linux. When I log on : into my linux box which uses color ls, the terminal of DOS-kermit 3.14 is : messed up with colors. I have to go back to use DOS-kermit 3.01 to avoid : the mess. No matter which terminal emulator. : Please send a uuencoded session log of an ls listing that demonstrates the problem. Tell MS-DOS Kermit to "log session". Then log in to Linux and run a color ls command. Then tell MS-DOS Kermit to "close session", and then upload the resulting session.log file in binary mode. Then uuencode it and email it to kermit@columbia.edu. Thanks. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Apr 1 14:30:27 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA20176 for ; Mon, 1 Apr 1996 14:30:25 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id OAA05570 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 1 Apr 1996 14:30:19 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: How to 'OUTPUT \N0' ? Date: 1 Apr 1996 19:29:46 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 41 Message-ID: <4jpara$5d2@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , J. Wakeley Purple wrote: : How do you send '\N0' to disable compression negotiation on my supra? I've : tried everything I know including '\92' as described in the book, but the : built-in escape \N is translated into a long break or something. : You're talking about C-Kermit? Which version? The current version is 5A(190). In the update notes file, ckcker.upd (possibly called ckermit.upd, depending on how you got it), it explains: The OUTPUT command accepts three special notations for sending special signals or characters: \B or \b or \\B or \\b Send a BREAK signal. On serial connections, this is a 250 millisecond spacing condition. On network connections, it is a network-specific BREAK protocol message, such as a TELNET BREAK. \L or \l or \\L or \\l Send a Long BREAK signal. On serial connections, this is a 1.5-second spacing condition. On network connections, it is the same as \B (BREAK). \N or \n Send a NUL (ASCII 0) character. \0 can't be used for this because it is the terminator for C-language strings. (\N is new to edit 190.) If you need to send \B, \L, or \N literally (e.g. to configure certain kinds of modems), you can use either: OUTPUT \fliteral(\B) (or \fliteral(\L) or \fliteral(\N)) or: OUTPUT \\\\B (or \\\\L or \\\\N) (yes, four backslashes). Note: \fliteral() can be abbreviated, e.g. \flit(\N). (end quote) - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Apr 1 18:16:38 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA18699 for ; Mon, 1 Apr 1996 18:16:34 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id SAA12106 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 1 Apr 1996 18:16:31 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!news.mathworks.com!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!intra.demon.co.uk From: paul@intra.demon.co.uk (Paul) Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.networking.misc,aus.kermit,comp.protocols.kermit.misc,demon.tech.pc Subject: Kermit will not connect ???? Date: Mon, 01 Apr 1996 20:51:10 GMT Organization: Home Lines: 24 Message-ID: <828388254.2362@intra.demon.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: intra.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: intra.demon.co.uk X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.os.ms-windows.networking.misc:11927 aus.kermit:75 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:4976 I have been trying to connect two 486 PCs using Kermit 3.14. When I type 'c' to connect, I get a frozen screen. I am using a null modem cable which has 2 9pin and 2 25pin connectors (which allows connection to com1 or com2). I have checked the cable using Dos Interlnk. I have set the port speeds on both PC's using the Dos mode command to 9600 and then set the port speeds in Kermit to 9600. I have tried both com ports with no luck. Do both PC's need to be running Kermit ? I have successfully used Kermit to dial out through my modem but I just get a blank screen when I try to connect to the other PC. Any ideas what I am doing wrong ? TIA Paul * To those not yet on the Net I say, I wish I had your telephone bill. * * PGP Fingerprint 5D 1B 83 BF 02 EF 1D EB 3D AF C4 09 FA F3 42 3E * * Key ID ADA26D41 Paul John Alcock * From news@columbia.edu Tue Apr 2 00:58:04 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA23087 for ; Tue, 2 Apr 1996 00:58:03 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id AAA22078 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 2 Apr 1996 00:57:56 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!mail2news.demon.co.uk!tauzero.demon.co.uk From: Mike Fleming Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.networking.misc,aus.kermit,comp.protocols.kermit.misc,demon.tech.pc Subject: Re: Kermit will not connect ???? Date: Tue, 02 Apr 96 00:55:18 GMT Organization: the Biker's Rest Lines: 28 Message-ID: <828406518snz@tauzero.demon.co.uk> References: <828388254.2362@intra.demon.co.uk> Reply-To: Mike@tauzero.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: tauzero.demon.co.uk X-Newsreader: Demon Internet Simple News v1.30 X-Mail2News-Path: tauzero.demon.co.uk Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.os.ms-windows.networking.misc:11939 aus.kermit:76 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:4977 In article <828388254.2362@intra.demon.co.uk> paul@intra.demon.co.uk "Paul" writes: > I have been trying to connect two 486 PCs using Kermit 3.14. > > When I type 'c' to connect, I get a frozen screen. I am using a null > modem cable which has 2 9pin and 2 25pin connectors (which allows > connection to com1 or com2). I have checked the cable using Dos > Interlnk. > I have set the port speeds on both PC's using the Dos mode command to > 9600 and then set the port speeds in Kermit to 9600. I have tried both > com ports with no luck. > > Do both PC's need to be running Kermit ? Ah, yes, this is where you're going wrong... Kermit doesn't take over the running of the remote PC. You have to start up Kermit on both machines, then put one machine into server mode (IIRC, just type 'ser') and then connect with the other. -- Mike (DF) Fleming MAG #79794 DoD #4446 Greenpeace #567708F JKLO #004 KotWP7 UKMC #9 Which of these well-meaning groups will look out for the homeless snail And who is going to save the slug ere it reaches the end of its trail? From news@columbia.edu Tue Apr 2 03:44:31 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id DAA06462 for ; Tue, 2 Apr 1996 03:44:30 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id DAA25055 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 2 Apr 1996 03:44:27 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.denver.eti.net!imci5!pull-feed.internetmci.com!news.internetMCI.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!uwm.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!newsfeed.acns.nwu.edu!news.cc.uic.edu!uicvm.uic.edu!u54294 Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago, ADN Computer Center Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 19:21:51 CST From: Message-ID: <96092.192152U54294@uicvm.uic.edu> Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MSKermit 3.14 and WfW 3.11-Term Emul Probs Lines: 13 Hi all- I'm using 3.14 under WfW3.11 out of your average COM2 to a unix host through a terminal server and ethernet. The hardware's a 386/SX-40 with an 8250 UART. Under WfW, terminal emulation sessions invariably hang and/or lose characters. I've tried everything suggested in the BWR file that seems to fit (lock application in memory, increase priority, increase memory available, removed SMARTDRIVE, lower speed), but no relief. The very same hardware, settings, connections, user, etc., works just fine straight from DOS, but start Kermit from Windows and I have problems. What's the magic bullet?...Thanks...Nick G. +------------------------------+----------------------------------------+ | Meat with flags. | Nick Geovanis U54294@uicvm.uic.edu | | It's us, baby! | Unix software and sysadmin | +------------------------------+----------------------------------------+ From news@columbia.edu Tue Apr 2 09:19:44 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA10054 for ; Tue, 2 Apr 1996 09:19:43 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id JAA19930 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 2 Apr 1996 09:19:36 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!cmcl2!oitnews.harvard.edu!das-news2.harvard.edu!cantaloupe.srv.cs.cmu.edu!bb3.andrew.cmu.edu!newsfeed.pitt.edu!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: 25th line in kermit 3.14 Message-ID: <1996Apr1.182341.77428@cc.usu.edu> Date: 1 Apr 96 18:23:41 MDT References: <4j96cd$klk@news.knoware.nl> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 29 In article <4j96cd$klk@news.knoware.nl>, Bernard van den Berg writes: > I am using DOS kermit 3.14 with the option 'set mode-line off'. > So I should be able to use the statusline as 25th line (like I was used > to in 3.11). > > Unfortunately it seems to be that 3.14 is using is 25th line in a > different way than 3.11 did. > The application on UNIX (Concorde XAL) uses the 25th line as helpline. > Every character that already was there is not shown again. > Ea. : > 1st helpline send: The customer's Name > Result on screen : The customer's Name > 2nd helpline send: The customer's Address > Result on screen : Address > > I think the UNIX application uses a optimisation algorithm, so it only > sends the changed characters. But I don't see reason for kermit to clear > its whole 25th line every time there are only a few character sent to it. > > Is there a parameter so set to suppress the clearing ? > Did I something wrong ? > Please help.... ------------- The finer points of how DIGITAL treates the status (25th) line were revealed some time ago and incorporated into MS-DOS Kermit after 3.11 That says clearing is to be done, alas. Generally speaking, I would not write apps which depend on such a line because it's poorly documented from DIGITAL and as you can see intepretation in implementations differ. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Tue Apr 2 10:22:41 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA16864 for ; Tue, 2 Apr 1996 10:22:40 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA21649 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 2 Apr 1996 10:22:37 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit 3.14 + Kanji = troubles Date: 2 Apr 1996 15:22:20 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 45 Message-ID: <4jrgnc$l49@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4hf5q8$fkj@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <4hkbmo$gou@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article zippy@hairball.ecst.csuchico.edu (The Pinhead) writes: : In article <4hkbmo$gou@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> : fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: : :: set file character-set shift-jis <-- (Irrelevant) :: set terminal bytesize 8 <-- Yes, you need this :: set parity none <-- Ditto :: set terminal character-set transparent <-- Ditto :: :: This is exactly the set of commands you need. If it doesn't work, that :: most likely means that CP982 is not the active code page, or that you don't :: have DOS/V in Japanese mode. Another possibility is that the host that :: you are connecting to is not itself in 8-bit mode. For example, if it were :: a SunOS 4.x system, you would need to tell it to: :: :: stty pass8 :: :: before you could see 8-bit characters (the Kanji bytes of Shift-JIS have :: their 8th bits set to 1). Use the equivalent command ("stty cs8" or :: whatever) on other versions of UNIX or other operating systems. : : You've been really helpful, Frank! Thanks... However, just one : problem remains... MSKermit 3.14 seems to be remapping the line : drawing characters. The application is an ACUCobol program in : shift-jis mode. Using CKermit 5A(190) under Linux with Japanese : extentions, the line drawing character 0xc4 displays properly as a : horizontal bar, but under MSKermit 3.14 it displays as the katakana : character "to" (0x44). : Sorry for the delay in replying. This is from our informant in Japan: There are two problems: 1) There is no line drawing character in Japanese DOS/V character set (not only line drawing charters but also many symbols which are included US PC-DOS, e.g., copyright mark etc). 2) 0xc4 is officially defined as Katakana "to" in Shift-JIS code. If we change the mapping, it will cause many problems on many Japanese hosts where they use JIS-X-201 Katakana (Hankaku Katakana). (End quote) - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Apr 2 10:44:07 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA19548 for ; Tue, 2 Apr 1996 10:44:06 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA22225 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 2 Apr 1996 10:44:02 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.networking.misc,aus.kermit,comp.protocols.kermit.misc,demon.tech.pc Subject: Re: Kermit will not connect ???? Date: 2 Apr 1996 15:43:42 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 77 Message-ID: <4jrhve$lmb@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <828388254.2362@intra.demon.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.os.ms-windows.networking.misc:11943 aus.kermit:77 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:4981 In article <828388254.2362@intra.demon.co.uk>, Paul wrote: : I have been trying to connect two 486 PCs using Kermit 3.14. : : When I type 'c' to connect, I get a frozen screen. I am using a null : modem cable which has 2 9pin and 2 25pin connectors (which allows : connection to com1 or com2). I have checked the cable using Dos : Interlnk. : I have set the port speeds on both PC's using the Dos mode command to : 9600 and then set the port speeds in Kermit to 9600. I have tried both : com ports with no luck. : : Do both PC's need to be running Kermit ? : I have successfully used Kermit to dial out through my modem but I just : get a blank screen when I try to connect to the other PC. : Any ideas what I am doing wrong ? : Not reading chapters 10 and 11 of the manual, "Using MS-DOS Kermit"? Christine M. Gianone, "Using MS-DOS Kermit", Second Edition, Digital Press / Butterworth-Heinemann, Woburn, MA, 1992, 345 pages, ISBN 1-55558-082-3. Packaged with version 3.14 of MS-DOS Kermit for the IBM PC, PS/2, and compatibles on a 3.5-inch diskette. US single-copy price: $39.95; quantity discounts available. Available in computer bookstores or directly from: Kermit Development and Distribution Columbia University Academic Information Systems 612 West 115th Street New York, NY 10025 USA Telephone: (USA) 212 854-3703 Domestic and overseas orders accepted. Price: $39.95 (US, Canada, and Mexico), $50 elsewhere. Orders may be paid by MasterCard or Visa, or prepaid by check in US dollars. Add $35 bank fee for checks not drawn on a US bank. Price includes shipping. Do not include sales tax. You can also order by phone from the publisher, Digital Press / Butterworth-Heinemann, with MasterCard, Visa, or American Express: +1 800 366-2665 (Woburn, Massachusetts office for USA & Canada) +44 1865 314627 (Oxford, England distribution centre for UK & Europe) +61 03 9245 7111 (Melbourne, Vic, office for Australia & NZ) +65 356-1968 (Singapore office for Asia) +27 (31) 2683111 (Durban office for South Africa) A German-language edition is also available: Christine M. Gianone, "MS-DOS Kermit, das universelle Kommunikationsprogramm", Verlag Heinz Heise, Hannover, Germany (1991), 414 pages. Packaged with version 3.12 of MS-DOS Kermit for the IBM PC, PS/2, and compatibles on a 5.25-inch diskette, including German-language help files. Deutsch von Gisbert W. Selke. Price: DM 69,00. ISBN 3-88229-006-4. Verlag Heinz Heise GmbH & Co. KG, Helstorfer Strasse 7, D-30625 Hannover. Tel. +49 (05 11) 53 52-0, Fax. +49 (05 11) 53 52-1 29. And a French-language edition: Christine M. Gianone, "Kermit MS-DOS mode d'emploi", Heinz Schiefer & Cie., Versailles (1993), 406 pages. Packaged with version 3.11 of MS-DOS Kermit for the IBM PC, PS/2, and compatibles on a 5.25-inch diskette. Adaption francaise: Jean Dutertre. ISBN 2-901143-20-2. Heinz Schiefer & Cie., 45 rue Henri de Regnier, F-78000 Versailles. Tel. +33 39 53 95 26, Fax. +33 39 02 39 71. The French version is also available from Columbia University: $39.95. There is also a Japanese book about MS-DOS Kermit: Hirofumi Fujii and Fukuko Yuasa, "MS-Kermit Nyumon", Computer Today Library 6, Saiensu-Sha Co., Ltd., publishers (1993), 160 pages. Publisher's address: Abe-toku Building, 2-4 Kanda-suda cho, Chiyoda-ku, Tokyo 101, Japan. Tel. +81-3-3256-1091. Price 1,800 Yen + tax. ISBN 4-7819-0669-9 C3355 P1854E. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Apr 2 14:51:42 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA19366 for ; Tue, 2 Apr 1996 14:51:32 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id OAA28623 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 2 Apr 1996 14:51:27 -0500 (EST) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!ncar!uchinews!gw2.att.com!nntphub.cb.att.com!bigtop!drgpsun1!thu From: thu@drgpsun1.dr.att.com (131EC0000-HuT(DR3326)292) Subject: Kermit and signals - how? Message-ID: Sender: news@bigtop.dr.att.com (Netnews Administration Login) Nntp-Posting-Host: drgpsun1 Organization: AT&T Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 08:17:36 GMT Lines: 6 I've got C-Kermit 5A(190) on my Interactive Unix 4.1a box. Does kermit support catching signal? I need kermit to perform certain actions upon reception of a HUP signal. Cheers, Tim From news@columbia.edu Tue Apr 2 15:48:45 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA27039 for ; Tue, 2 Apr 1996 15:48:44 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id PAA00054 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 2 Apr 1996 15:48:42 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit and signals - how? Date: 2 Apr 1996 20:48:36 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 11 Message-ID: <4js3r4$1i@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , 131EC0000-HuT(DR3326)292 wrote: : I've got C-Kermit 5A(190) on my Interactive Unix 4.1a box. Does kermit : support catching signal? I need kermit to perform certain actions : upon reception of a HUP signal. : This is not as easy at it may seem; see the comments in ckutio.c (search for SIGHUP). Why don't you contact me offline about this and we can discuss it. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Apr 2 20:47:10 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA00596 for ; Tue, 2 Apr 1996 20:47:09 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id UAA07422 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 2 Apr 1996 20:47:07 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!news.kei.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!noc.nyx.net!nyx10.cs.du.edu!not-for-mail From: thu@nyx10.cs.du.edu (Timothy Hu) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit and signals - how? Date: 2 Apr 1996 12:23:34 -0700 Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci. Lines: 12 Message-ID: <4jrurm$7tp@nyx10.cs.du.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: nyx10.nyx.net I've got C-Kermit 5A(190) on my Interactive Unix 4.1a box. Does kermit support signals? I need kermit to perform certain actions upon reception of a HUP signal. Cheers, Tim -- Timothy Y Hu (thu@nyx.net) Gyan Technologies, Inc. -- provider of Information Technologies solutions 523 W 27th St., Suite A, Cheyenne, WY 82001 Executive Offices:(303)692-4169 -- From news@columbia.edu Tue Apr 2 22:34:25 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA10024 for ; Tue, 2 Apr 1996 22:34:24 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id WAA09817 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 2 Apr 1996 22:34:22 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!apollo.hp.com!lf.hp.com!news.dtc.hp.com!col.hp.com!news.corp.hp.com!news From: Frank Rocchio Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: socketified kermit and file transfers Date: Tue, 02 Apr 1996 14:25:23 -0400 Organization: CNS-Customer Services Lines: 17 Message-ID: <31617113.45A9@atl.hp.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: g3125fnr.atl.hp.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (X11; I; HP-UX A.09.01 9000/715) I am currently working on a project to centralize a dialout modem pool. As a test, I have the following topology. HP UX 10.0 Client----Lan----Cisco ASM----Racal Vadic 3264----PSTN On line Engineers The problem I am experiencing is for file transfers (specifically binary). Ascii transfers no problem. The machines I am calling are both HP3000 and HP9000 connected directly to TTY ports. I recently ordered using C-Kermit as a reference but I am wondering if anyone has a known workable configuration to do binary transfers ? From news@columbia.edu Wed Apr 3 05:05:13 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id FAA12250 for ; Wed, 3 Apr 1996 05:05:12 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id FAA17688 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 3 Apr 1996 05:05:10 -0500 (EST) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!iglou!iglou.com!wakep From: wakep@iglou.com (J. Wakeley Purple) Subject: Frank & Joe are the greatest! X-Nntp-Posting-Host: iglou2 Message-ID: Sender: news@iglou.com (News Administrator) Organization: IgLou Internet Services (1-800-436-4456) X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Date: Wed, 3 Apr 1996 00:43:09 GMT Lines: 10 I can't believe these two guys spend the time they do patiently answering questions - and quickly, too. Thanks bunches. PS. I guess I shouldn't forget Christine, too, for the manual. -- J. Wakeley Purple - wakep@iglou.com From news@columbia.edu Wed Apr 3 10:53:10 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA20345 for ; Wed, 3 Apr 1996 10:53:05 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA13582 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 3 Apr 1996 10:53:00 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!bristlecone.together.net!vtr-sta107.ramp.together.net!user From: ggonter@together.net (Geof Gonter) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit for OpenVMS Date: Tue, 02 Apr 1996 21:38:11 -0500 Organization: together.net Lines: 26 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: vtr-sta107.ramp.together.net Wondering if we have Kermit users out there who deal with Kermit on MSDOS machines, using a open VMS system. We want to place a computer in the home of an employee, who must stay at home because of long term illness, to communicate with our Digital server. The tech people we have contacted, so far at Digital, have been next to useless on this item. The software people push us to the hardware people and then we are sent back to the software people. A Digital consultant, who came to the office, told us three weeks ago he was not sure if we can do it, but he would let us know. Needless to say, we have yet to hear from him. Knowing what little we do about computers, we are pretty sure a solution exists somewhere. Perhaps some commware with Kermit and VT320 emulation? Also, what is the best way to get Open­VMS Kermit into the machine? Can we download it to a machine (MS or Mac DOS) and then copy it, via a translator or modem, to the Digital? Or can we load it directly from a MS­DOS disk? We are pretty new at this. None of the people working on this machine, now, were involved in the decision to purchase. But. we are attempting to make it work, since we now have it. (BTW, Digital's answer is to find a user's group.) Any help or direction you might be able to give us will be greatly appreciated. I could rag on the system and its problems for long time but it is counterproductive and the wrong forum. We need HELP! ---Geof Gonter--- FIDONet 1:325/501 In the shadow of Vermont's Mount Mansfield in dairy and maple syrup country. From news@columbia.edu Wed Apr 3 10:53:10 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA20344 for ; Wed, 3 Apr 1996 10:53:05 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA13579 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 3 Apr 1996 10:53:00 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!news.dacom.co.kr!usenet.seri.re.kr!news.cais.net!news.jsums.edu!gatech!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!news.texas.net!newsfeed.concentric.net!winternet.com!news2.interlog.com!news1.toronto.fonorola.net!news1.toronto.istar.net!news.toronto.istar.net!kowloon.terraport.net!archangel.terraport.net!news From: Ido Gileadi Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Ms-Kermit Server Mode ( Help !!!!!!! ) Date: 2 Apr 1996 16:54:59 GMT Organization: TerraPort Online Inc. (416) 492-3050, Your Gateway to the Internet Lines: 12 Message-ID: <4jrm53$of5@archangel.terraport.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: saturn41.terraport.net We have MS-Kermit sessions running on PC's in various locations. There is a Unix kermit session that dials up all the PC one at a time and transfers files. All the PCs are set to go into SERVER mode. We have one PC that occasionally gets out of SERVER mode on its own. Why is this happening and how can it be fixed. We have tried to set the PC into SERVER mode remotely but that did not seem to work. Help !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! From news@columbia.edu Wed Apr 3 11:18:45 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA23537 for ; Wed, 3 Apr 1996 11:18:42 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA14273 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 3 Apr 1996 11:18:38 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!not-for-mail From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Ms-Kermit Server Mode ( Help !!!!!!! ) Date: 3 Apr 1996 11:18:01 -0500 Organization: Columbia University Lines: 33 Message-ID: <4ju8bp$mse@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4jrm53$of5@archangel.terraport.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4jrm53$of5@archangel.terraport.net>, Ido Gileadi wrote: : We have MS-Kermit sessions running on PC's in various locations. There is : a Unix kermit session that dials up all the PC one at a time and transfers : files. All the PCs are set to go into SERVER mode. : : We have one PC that occasionally gets out of SERVER mode on its own. : Why is this happening and how can it be fixed. : : We have tried to set the PC into SERVER mode remotely but that did not : seem to work. : : Help !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! : Once you put MS-DOS Kermit into server mode, how can it get out of server mode? -- 1. A BYE or FINISH command is sent to it. 2. The SERVER command included a time limit (e.g. "server 600"), or a SET SERVER TIMEOUT command was given. 3. Somebody walked up to the PC and typed Ctrl-C to return to the prompt. 4. The PC was turned off, or crashed, or there was a power failure, or the dog pulled out the power cord, etc. I think that about covers it. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Apr 3 11:24:11 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA24316 for ; Wed, 3 Apr 1996 11:24:09 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA14397 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 3 Apr 1996 11:24:06 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: socketified kermit and file transfers Date: 3 Apr 1996 16:23:51 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 22 Message-ID: <4ju8mn$e1n@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <31617113.45A9@atl.hp.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <31617113.45A9@atl.hp.com>, Frank Rocchio wrote: : I am currently working on a project to centralize a dialout modem pool. : As a test, I have the following topology. : : HP UX 10.0 Client----Lan----Cisco ASM----Racal Vadic 3264----PSTN : On line Engineers : : The problem I am experiencing is for file transfers (specifically : binary). Ascii transfers : no problem. : : The machines I am calling are both HP3000 and HP9000 connected directly : to TTY ports. : I recently ordered using C-Kermit as a reference but I am wondering if : anyone has a known : workable configuration to do binary transfers ? : Most likely one of those many links in the chain is chopping off the 8th bit. Either find it and configure it for 8-bit transparency, or else tell Kermit to "set parity space". - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Apr 3 11:34:19 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA25535 for ; Wed, 3 Apr 1996 11:34:17 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA14662 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 3 Apr 1996 11:34:13 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit for OpenVMS Date: 3 Apr 1996 16:33:57 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 49 Message-ID: <4ju99l$e9u@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Geof Gonter wrote: : Wondering if we have Kermit users out there who deal with Kermit on MSDOS : machines, using a open VMS system. : More than you could count. : We want to place a computer in the home : of an employee, who must stay at home because of long term illness, to : communicate with our Digital server. : This is exactly the kind of thing that Kermit is for. : The tech people we have contacted, so : far at Digital, have been next to useless on this item. The software : people push us to the hardware people and then we are sent back to the : software people. A Digital consultant, who came to the office, told us : three weeks ago he was not sure if we can do it, but he would let us know. : Needless to say, we have yet to hear from him. Knowing what little we do : about computers, we are pretty sure a solution exists somewhere. Perhaps : some commware with Kermit and VT320 emulation? : It's called MS-DOS Kermit. It is exactly what you need. : Also, what is the best way to get Open­VMS Kermit into the machine? Can we : download it to a machine (MS or Mac DOS) and then copy it, via a : translator or modem, to the Digital? Or can we load it directly from a : MS­DOS disk? : You can ftp it from the Internet. If you VMS machine is on the Internet, that's the easiest way to do it. The second easiest way is to order it from us on TK50 or whatever medium your VMS machine has. The third easiest way is to ftp it to some other machine and then transfer it to the VMS system -- but the customary paradox here is that you might need Kermit in the first place in order to do this. : We are pretty new at this. None of the people working on this : machine, now, were involved in the decision to purchase. But. we are : attempting to make it work, since we now have it. (BTW, Digital's answer : is to find a user's group.) Any help or direction you might be able to : give us will be greatly appreciated. : : I could rag on the system and its problems for long time but it is : counterproductive and the wrong forum. We need HELP! : You came to the right place. I'll send you details about MS-DOS Kermit and VMS C-Kermit by direct email. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Apr 3 14:43:05 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA18192 for ; Wed, 3 Apr 1996 14:43:03 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id OAA19376 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 3 Apr 1996 14:42:58 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!news From: "Nilesh L. Jain" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Script for transferring file using C-Kermit Date: 3 Apr 1996 19:42:29 GMT Organization: Department of Medical Informatics, CPMC, New York NY Lines: 26 Message-ID: <4jukb5$ip4@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: ge-jain.cpmc.columbia.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.2N (Windows; I; 16bit) Hello all: I have C-Kermit 5A(188) on two IBM RS/6000 running AIX 3.x I have a modem on each of them, one configured to dial out (host machine), and the other to receive calls (remote machine). I need to automatically send a file over each night and was looking for a script to ease the task. When I do it manually, I start kermit on the host machine, dial using atdt, log onto the remote machine, change to appropriate directory, start kermit and set it to receive, break to host kermit and send file, re-connect to remote kermit, quit and logout, break and quit from host kermit. I am sure there must be scripts to automatically specify a phone number, user name and password, remote directory, and local file name for doing the transfer. I would appreciate any help with such a script. If need be, I am willing to download a new version of kermit to facilitate this. Thanks a lot in advance, Nilesh L. Jain jainnil@cucis.cis.columbia.edu (212) 928 0952 Department of Medical Informatics, Columbia University From news@columbia.edu Wed Apr 3 15:55:44 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA26977 for ; Wed, 3 Apr 1996 15:55:35 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id PAA21062 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 3 Apr 1996 15:55:25 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!news.dacom.co.kr!usenet.seri.re.kr!news.cais.net!chi-news.cic.net!newsxfer2.itd.umich.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!news.emich.edu!emunix.emich.edu!remmers From: remmers@emich.edu (John H. Remmers) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Frank & Joe are the greatest! Date: 3 Apr 1996 13:02:16 GMT Organization: Eastern Michigan University, Ypsilanti Lines: 17 Message-ID: <4jtsso$r5o@orphan.emich.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: emunix.emich.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] J. Wakeley Purple (wakep@iglou.com) wrote: : I can't believe these two guys spend the time they do patiently answering : questions - and quickly, too. : Thanks bunches. : PS. I guess I shouldn't forget Christine, too, for the manual. I agree 100%. User support from the Kermit Project is extremely good. - John - -- John H. Remmers | remmers@emunix.emich.edu Eastern Michigan University | http://emunix.emich.edu/~remmers Dept. of Computer Science | NOTE: Do not read this message fast. It Ypsilanti, MI 48197 | is never right to read messages fast. From news@columbia.edu Wed Apr 3 16:13:58 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA29343 for ; Wed, 3 Apr 1996 16:13:57 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id QAA21671 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 3 Apr 1996 16:13:51 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Script for transferring file using C-Kermit Date: 3 Apr 1996 21:13:33 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 43 Message-ID: <4juplt$l4v@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4jukb5$ip4@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4jukb5$ip4@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, Nilesh L. Jain wrote: : I have C-Kermit 5A(188)... : The current version is 5A(190)... : ... on two IBM RS/6000 running AIX 3.x : I have a modem on each of them, one configured to dial out (host : machine), and the other to receive calls (remote machine). : I need to automatically send a file over each night and was looking for : a script to ease the task. : : When I do it manually, I start kermit on the host machine, dial using : atdt, log onto the remote machine, change to appropriate directory, start : kermit and set it to receive, break to host kermit and send file, : re-connect to remote kermit, quit and logout, break and quit from host : kermit. : : I am sure there must be scripts to automatically specify a phone number, : user name and password, remote directory, and local file name for doing : the transfer. I would appreciate any help with such a script. If need : be, I am willing to download a new version of kermit to facilitate this. : Script programming is explained in detail in three chapters of the user manual, "Using C-Kermit". Yours is a very straightforward application, but nevertheless there is no canned script that you can plug in and use. Connection and login procedures differ from place to place, and so on, so you have to understand a little bit about what you are doing. The basic notion is that the OUTPUT command is used to send any characters that you would type; the INPUT command is used to scan for prompts; the IF FAILURE or IF SUCCESS commands are used to check whether INPUT commands succeed or fail. All of this replaces the CONNECT command, and what you type with your fingers and see with your eyes. Please refer to the manual for copious examples and explanations. Details about the current version, the manual, and where to get them are available on the Web at: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Apr 3 18:18:46 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA13851 for ; Wed, 3 Apr 1996 18:18:45 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id SAA24826 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 3 Apr 1996 18:18:42 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!netaxs.com!news2.cais.net!news.cais.net!news.jsums.edu!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!freenet4.freenet.ufl.edu!djohns From: djohns@freenet4.freenet.ufl.edu (David A. Johns) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Frank & Joe are the greatest! Date: 3 Apr 1996 11:50:11 GMT Lines: 9 Message-ID: <4jtolj$ne0@huron.eel.ufl.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: freenet4.afn.org X-Newsreader: NewsWerthy 1.71 (unregistered) In , wakep@iglou.com (J. Wakeley Purple) wrote: # I can't believe these two guys spend the time they do # patiently answering questions - and quickly, too. Not to forget *politely*. That's what makes them really different from other support groups. David Johns From news@columbia.edu Wed Apr 3 20:48:12 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA00217 for ; Wed, 3 Apr 1996 20:48:12 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id UAA28443 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 3 Apr 1996 20:48:10 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!uwm.edu!psuvax1!news.cc.swarthmore.edu!netnews.upenn.edu!blue.seas.upenn.edu!yulman From: yulman@blue.seas.upenn.edu (Alex Yulman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Unix WordPerfect in Kermit3.14 Date: 3 Apr 1996 16:52:43 GMT Organization: University of Pennsylvania Lines: 13 Message-ID: <4juacr$rf2@netnews.upenn.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: blue.seas.upenn.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2-upenn1.3] I have the following problem: When I connect to Unix, without even using any remapping files, and try to run WP the initial screen and everything after is backwards. It seems to be typing from right to left. I ran wpterm, I don't load anything, I specified code-page and still the same garbage. What's the problem THank you. Alex Yulman "Men will lie on their backs, talking about the (215)382-5140 fall of man, and never make an effort to get up" YULMAN@eniac.seas.upenn.edu - Henry David Thoreau From news@columbia.edu Thu Apr 4 02:29:11 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id CAA28886 for ; Thu, 4 Apr 1996 02:29:10 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id CAA09539 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 4 Apr 1996 02:29:06 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!munnari.OZ.AU!news.ecn.uoknor.edu!qns3.qns.com!imci4!newsfeed.internetmci.com!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!ennfs.eas.asu.edu!noao!math.arizona.edu!news.Arizona.EDU!jshin From: jshin@aruba.ccit.arizona.edu (Jae H Shin) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: HELP: c-kermit doesn't work w/ motorola 28.8k modem Date: 3 Apr 1996 20:56:13 GMT Organization: University of Arizona Lines: 20 Message-ID: <4juold$ujg@news.ccit.arizona.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: aruba.ccit.arizona.edu i'm having problems w/ c-kermit 5a(190) on the following platform DECstation 5000/133 w/ ultrix 4.5 motorola lifestyle 28.8k external modem. 1) when i execute kermit before the modem turned on, the modem doesn't respond correctly. 2) i cannot make any connection again once i disconnect from current connection. then, i have to exit from c-kermit and execute it again. 3) why c-kermit only supports upto 38400 bps? the modem works just fine on pc platform and the c-kermit works great w/ USR courier 14.4k dual standard. - jae From news@columbia.edu Thu Apr 4 08:30:19 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA19422 for ; Thu, 4 Apr 1996 08:30:13 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id IAA06708 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 4 Apr 1996 08:30:08 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Unix WordPerfect in Kermit3.14 Message-ID: <1996Apr3.170753.77568@cc.usu.edu> Date: 3 Apr 96 17:07:53 MDT References: <4juacr$rf2@netnews.upenn.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 17 In article <4juacr$rf2@netnews.upenn.edu>, yulman@blue.seas.upenn.edu (Alex Yulman) writes: > I have the following problem: When I connect to Unix, without > even using any remapping files, and try to run WP the initial screen > and everything after is backwards. It seems to be typing from right to > left. I ran wpterm, I don't load anything, I specified code-page and > still the same garbage. What's the problem > THank you. --------- Alex, It's a fully documented change. The old TerminalR/S macros had to be abandoned because DIGITAL finally used their invokation codes to support Hebrew terminals and of course MSK followed suit. There has been a much more powerful replacment in the APC command, and I recommend you read the release notes for full details. It's easy to use and to add to WordPerfect/Unix. Sure beats reading right to left in my part of the world. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Thu Apr 4 08:39:58 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA24966 for ; Thu, 4 Apr 1996 08:39:56 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id IAA06899 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 4 Apr 1996 08:39:53 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!smalltown.uoregon.edu!neonlights.uoregon.edu!news.jsums.edu!news2.cais.net!news.cais.net!netaxs.com!panix!news.eecs.umich.edu!nntp.neu.edu!grapevine.lcs.mit.edu!bone.think.com!blanket.mitre.org!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!info.ucla.edu!library.ucla.edu!agate!dog.ee.lbl.gov!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Ms-Kermit Server Mode ( Help !!!!!!! ) Message-ID: <1996Apr4.000222.77589@cc.usu.edu> Date: 4 Apr 96 00:02:22 MDT References: <4jrm53$of5@archangel.terraport.net> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 20 In article <4jrm53$of5@archangel.terraport.net>, Ido Gileadi writes: > We have MS-Kermit sessions running on PC's in various locations. There is > a Unix kermit session that dials up all the PC one at a time and transfers > files. All the PCs are set to go into SERVER mode. > > > We have one PC that occasionally gets out of SERVER mode on its own. > Why is this happening and how can it be fixed. > > We have tried to set the PC into SERVER mode remotely but that did not > seem to work. > > Help !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! --------- Surely there are some hints to go on. Did you set a timed residence for Server mode (SET SERVER ? to see details)? How about general PC hardware failure problems? What did the screen say (if a person is at that site to view it)? And not least, which version of MS-DOS Kermit is behaving as that server. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Thu Apr 4 09:44:03 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA11253 for ; Thu, 4 Apr 1996 09:44:02 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id JAA08312 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 4 Apr 1996 09:43:58 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!imci5!imci4!newsfeed.internetmci.com!guitar.sound.net!echo!jr From: jr@echo.sound.net (Rock N Roll) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit and PPP Date: 4 Apr 1996 02:13:36 GMT Organization: Sound Advice Limited's Internet Access for KC Lines: 20 Message-ID: <4jvb8g$ico@guitar.sound.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: echo.sound.net X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] I'm trying to use Kermit for DOS 3.14 over a PPP connection. I looked through the docs and the only thing close enough that I could find was some type of SLIP driver in the NETWORKS directory. So I downloaded some other PPP driver for DOS. I don't remember the name of it but it used files called PPP.EXE, DIAL.PPP, and CONFIG.PPP (which could probably be any number of programs, I don't know). I got the scripting through that to work and after running it, it can get my IP address, so I'm sure it's working. What I want to know is how to get Kermit to use this. I tried all the SET TCP/IP and SET TELNET commands to configure everything. When I try to telnet to a host, it says something about not getting an ARP response from a DNS server. Does Kermit for DOS only work over SLIP? -- ---\ --- | \ |R| "Emptiness is loneliness |R|\ \ |O| And loneliness is cleanliness |O| \ \ |L| And cleanliness is godliness |C| \ \|L| And God is empty, just like me" |K| \ | --- \--- From news@columbia.edu Thu Apr 4 10:26:04 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA15776 for ; Thu, 4 Apr 1996 10:26:04 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA09301 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 4 Apr 1996 10:26:02 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: HELP: c-kermit doesn't work w/ motorola 28.8k modem Date: 4 Apr 1996 15:25:30 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 49 Message-ID: <4k0pla$92i@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4juold$ujg@news.ccit.arizona.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4juold$ujg@news.ccit.arizona.edu>, Jae H Shin wrote: : i'm having problems w/ c-kermit 5a(190) on the following platform : : DECstation 5000/133 w/ ultrix 4.5 : motorola lifestyle 28.8k external modem. : : 1) when i execute kermit before the modem turned on, the modem doesn't : respond correctly. : Why am I not surprised? :-) (Don't you have to turn the modem on before it can work?) You did not specify how you are trying to use the modem. Is it with Kermit's DIAL command, or is it by CONNECTing to the modem and typing AT commands directly at it? In the latter case, you will need to tell Kermit to "set carrier off" before CONNECTing -- as documented in the manual, "Using C-Kermit". : 2) i cannot make any connection again once i disconnect from current : connection. then, i have to exit from c-kermit and execute it again. : Again... Are you DIALing, or CONNECTing and typing AT commands? I think you will find that the manual explains all of this rather clearly. You can find out about the manual on our Web page: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ By the way, C-Kermit does not presently have the Motorola Lifestyle as a built-in modem type. If you could supply me with the command summary, I can add it, so the DIAL command will work as you would want it to. Please contact me directly if you can furnish this info. Note to everybody: The more modem manuals (or command summaries) I have, the more modems Kermit will support. : 3) why c-kermit only supports upto 38400 bps? : C-Kermit supports any speeds that are supported by the underlying operating system. The last time I looked at an Ultrix system, its speeds only went up to 38400. Perhaps in Ultrix 4.5 they go higher. I would need to see the relevant header file that defines symbols for the supported speeds. By the way, high speeds also require RTS/CTS flow control, but the last time I looked at Ultrix, it did not support this. Has this changed in version 4.5? If so, again, I would need to see the relevant header file. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Apr 4 10:38:17 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA17265 for ; Thu, 4 Apr 1996 10:38:16 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA09536 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 4 Apr 1996 10:38:13 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!news.dacom.co.kr!usenet.seri.re.kr!news.cais.net!news.jsums.edu!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Frank & Joe are the greatest! Message-ID: <1996Apr3.170456.77567@cc.usu.edu> Date: 3 Apr 96 17:04:56 MDT References: <4jtsso$r5o@orphan.emich.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 23 In article <4jtsso$r5o@orphan.emich.edu>, remmers@emich.edu (John H. Remmers) writes: > J. Wakeley Purple (wakep@iglou.com) wrote: > : I can't believe these two guys spend the time they do patiently answering > : questions - and quickly, too. > > : Thanks bunches. > > : PS. I guess I shouldn't forget Christine, too, for the manual. > > I agree 100%. User support from the Kermit Project is extremely > good. > - John - > > -- > John H. Remmers | remmers@emunix.emich.edu > Eastern Michigan University | http://emunix.emich.edu/~remmers > Dept. of Computer Science | NOTE: Do not read this message fast. It > Ypsilanti, MI 48197 | is never right to read messages fast. ----------- Now that's the kind of bug reports we enjoy reading! Many thanks to both of you (and the lurking readers) since we are accustomed to dealing only with the problems. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Thu Apr 4 15:39:15 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA17374 for ; Thu, 4 Apr 1996 15:39:14 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id PAA22906 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 4 Apr 1996 15:39:10 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!lane From: lane@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (David Lane) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Unix WordPerfect in Kermit3.14 Date: 4 Apr 1996 20:38:41 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 18 Message-ID: <4k1c0h$mbd@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4juacr$rf2@netnews.upenn.edu> <1996Apr3.170753.77568@cc.usu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1996Apr3.170753.77568@cc.usu.edu>, Joe Doupnik wrote: >In article <4juacr$rf2@netnews.upenn.edu>, yulman@blue.seas.upenn.edu (Alex Yulman) writes: >> I have the following problem: When I connect to Unix, without >> even using any remapping files, and try to run WP the initial screen >> and everything after is backwards. It seems to be typing from right to >> left. I ran wpterm, I don't load anything, I specified code-page and >> still the same garbage. What's the problem >> THank you. >--------- [All useful information deleted.] >... Sure beats reading right to left in my part of the >world. > Joe D. :-) Egad! You mean MS-Kermit isn't really written in compiled APL?! :-) David. From news@columbia.edu Thu Apr 4 16:14:30 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA21570 for ; Thu, 4 Apr 1996 16:14:29 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id QAA24092 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 4 Apr 1996 16:14:25 -0500 (EST) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!news.decus.org!eisner.decus.org!hoehne From: hoehne@eisner.decus.org (Dale Hoehne) Subject: Question quantity? X-Nntp-Posting-User: HOEHNE Lines: 10 Organization: DECUServe Message-ID: <1996Apr4.075953.1@eisner.decus.org> X-Nntp-Posting-Host: eisner.decus.org Date: Thu, 4 Apr 1996 12:59:53 GMT Since the change in policy (get the kermit distributions only from it's home site) ... has the question quantity gone down? This (as I remember) was a major reason for the change. Everyone was distributing kermit, but only Frank, Joe, etal. were answering the problem questions. As a final note; add my praise (to the others) on the nice job you guys (or is it persons ? :-)) are doing! Dale Hoehne Hoehne@eisner.decus.org From news@columbia.edu Thu Apr 4 17:29:18 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA00240 for ; Thu, 4 Apr 1996 17:29:16 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id RAA28428 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 4 Apr 1996 17:29:14 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Question quantity? Date: 4 Apr 1996 22:29:11 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 30 Message-ID: <4k1ifn$ro8@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <1996Apr4.075953.1@eisner.decus.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1996Apr4.075953.1@eisner.decus.org>, Dale Hoehne wrote: : Since the change in policy (get the kermit distributions only from : it's home site) ... has the question quantity gone down? This : (as I remember) was a major reason for the change. Everyone : was distributing kermit, but only Frank, Joe, etal. were answering : the problem questions. : That's only part of the problem. We push the central site idea because -- since we do stand behind our software and do our best to support it -- we want to make sure that questions really do apply to our software and not some unknown quantity. We have no control over what other sites might distribute -- it might be "customized", outdated, virus-infected, or who knows what else. But there's more. We also need to generate revenue to keep the Kermit project going. When you come to the Columbia site by most avenues (most ftp clients, Web clients, etc), you see our "promotional" messages. Other sites have no interest in this sort of thing -- they just want to put ZIP files up for ftp (or on CD-ROMs), period, the end. Obviously this not only cuts into our sales, but also increases our support workload -- not a good situation for a self-funding nonprofit operation like ours. : As a final note; add my praise (to the others) on the nice job you guys : (or is it persons ? :-)) are doing! : Persons! Thanks. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Apr 4 17:32:34 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA00894 for ; Thu, 4 Apr 1996 17:32:33 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id RAA28540 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 4 Apr 1996 17:32:31 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Unix WordPerfect in Kermit3.14 Date: 4 Apr 1996 22:32:11 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 9 Message-ID: <4k1ilb$rrn@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4juacr$rf2@netnews.upenn.edu> <1996Apr3.170753.77568@cc.usu.edu> <4k1c0h$mbd@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4k1c0h$mbd@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, David Lane wrote: : : :-) Egad! You mean MS-Kermit isn't really written in compiled APL?! :-) : Perhaps not, but you would not believe the number of requests we still get, to this day, to add APL character-set capability. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Apr 4 19:25:51 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA12348 for ; Thu, 4 Apr 1996 19:25:49 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id TAA01715 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 4 Apr 1996 19:25:47 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!nectec!news.mahidol.ac.th!news From: u3770518@mucc.mahidol.ac.th (Sontaya Passakonnirin) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: kermit protocol Date: 4 Apr 96 20:12:48 GMT Organization: Mahidol University Lines: 7 Message-ID: <4k097r$4hu@mars.mahidol.ac.th> NNTP-Posting-Host: 202.28.159.198 Now, I have problem about packet kermit that why I recieved double packets, the host can be sent double packets to terminal, Why do that? Somebody know about it, Please mail me. Thank you, Anuchai, u3770547@mucc.mahidol.ac.th From news@columbia.edu Thu Apr 4 19:25:50 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA12350 for ; Thu, 4 Apr 1996 19:25:49 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id TAA01713 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 4 Apr 1996 19:25:47 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!gems.vcu.edu!agnew From: agnew@gems.vcu.edu (Brainwave Surfer) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Frank & Joe are the greatest! Message-ID: <1996Apr4.093909.2222@gems.vcu.edu> Date: 4 Apr 96 09:39:09 -0400 References: <4jtolj$ne0@huron.eel.ufl.edu> Organization: Medical College of Virginia Lines: 15 In article <4jtolj$ne0@huron.eel.ufl.edu>, djohns@freenet4.freenet.ufl.edu (David A. Johns) writes: > In , wakep@iglou.com (J. Wakeley Purple) wrote: > > # I can't believe these two guys spend the time they do > # patiently answering questions - and quickly, too. > > Not to forget *politely*. That's what makes them really different > from other support groups. > > David Johns I have to agree here too. This group is soo much different from the say, comp.os.vms, or sci.physics.. sigh. Jim From news@columbia.edu Thu Apr 4 19:25:50 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA12352 for ; Thu, 4 Apr 1996 19:25:49 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id TAA01711 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 4 Apr 1996 19:25:47 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!munnari.OZ.AU!news.ecn.uoknor.edu!paladin.american.edu!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!gems.vcu.edu!agnew From: agnew@gems.vcu.edu (Brainwave Surfer) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit for OpenVMS Message-ID: <1996Apr4.094401.2223@gems.vcu.edu> Date: 4 Apr 96 09:44:01 -0400 References: Organization: Medical College of Virginia Lines: 71 Dear Geof, you sure posted to the right newsgroup here... i'm using kermit 3.13 happily both at work and home, ethernet at work, 9600 baud with a practical periperal 1.44 modem at home. it works great. i'm sure frank da cruz will reply to you. if not, save my email address, i'll help while we're talking... are you talking about terminal access, only, or also moving files back and forth? your employee will need 2 phone lines, and the computer one MUST HAVE CALL WAITING DISABLED. or, program into kermit the *70 or whatever your local telco uses to disable call waiting temp. ps, you'll need a modem on the dec machine, all 25 wires cabled to the modem to the comm port. an MMJ connector (looks like a phone cable) is NOT gonna work, if he disconnects w/o logging off, his account is open to the world. We use the same practial periperals 1.44's on our machine also, and i have a kermit script that "blasts" them into behaving nicely on the vax. if you already have suitable modem, forget this.. If you're talking about only terminal access for your person, you will not need c-kermit for vms. file transfer will be what requires c-kermit. I've used kermit for 5 years.. Jim /^^^\ \ / Jim Agnew | AGNEW@RUBY.VCU.EDU (Internet) / > || Neurosurgery, | AGNEW@VCUVAX (Bitnet) /\_/ ' \ / MCV-VCU | This disc will self destruct in /________________> Richmond, VA, USA | five seconds. Good luck, Jim..." X-News: gems comp.protocols.kermit.misc:3439 >From: ggonter@together.net (Geof Gonter) >Subject:Kermit for OpenVMS >Date: Tue, 02 Apr 1996 21:38:11 -0500 >Message-ID: >Wondering if we have Kermit users out there who deal with Kermit on MSDOS >machines, using a open VMS system. We want to place a computer in the home >of an employee, who must stay at home because of long term illness, to >communicate with our Digital server. The tech people we have contacted, so >far at Digital, have been next to useless on this item. The software >people push us to the hardware people and then we are sent back to the >software people. A Digital consultant, who came to the office, told us >three weeks ago he was not sure if we can do it, but he would let us know. >Needless to say, we have yet to hear from him. Knowing what little we do >about computers, we are pretty sure a solution exists somewhere. Perhaps >some commware with Kermit and VT320 emulation? > >Also, what is the best way to get Open­VMS Kermit into the machine? Can we >download it to a machine (MS or Mac DOS) and then copy it, via a >translator or modem, to the Digital? Or can we load it directly from a >MS­DOS disk? We are pretty new at this. None of the people working on this >machine, now, were involved in the decision to purchase. But. we are >attempting to make it work, since we now have it. (BTW, Digital's answer >is to find a user's group.) Any help or direction you might be able to >give us will be greatly appreciated. > >I could rag on the system and its problems for long time but it is >counterproductive and the wrong forum. We need HELP! > > ---Geof Gonter--- FIDONet 1:325/501 >In the shadow of Vermont's Mount Mansfield in dairy and maple syrup country. From news@columbia.edu Fri Apr 5 01:12:53 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA11476 for ; Fri, 5 Apr 1996 01:12:52 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id BAA11799 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 5 Apr 1996 01:12:49 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!news.dacom.co.kr!news.kreonet.re.kr!usenet.seri.re.kr!news.cais.net!news.jsums.edu!gatech!newsjunkie.ans.net!newsfeeds.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit will not connect ???? Message-ID: <1996Apr4.210656.77681@cc.usu.edu> Date: 4 Apr 96 21:06:56 MDT References: <828388254.2362@intra.demon.co.uk> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 26 In article <828388254.2362@intra.demon.co.uk>, paul@intra.demon.co.uk (Paul) writes: > I have been trying to connect two 486 PCs using Kermit 3.14. > > When I type 'c' to connect, I get a frozen screen. I am using a null Forzen? If you mean you don't see your own keystrokes then its because normally "the other side" echos them as a mainframe to terminal arrangment. SET LOCAL ECHO ON solves that. Otherwise you have installation problems and the first step is to carefully review the release documentation on the many problems aflicting PCs. > modem cable which has 2 9pin and 2 25pin connectors (which allows > connection to com1 or com2). I have checked the cable using Dos > Interlnk. > I have set the port speeds on both PC's using the Dos mode command to > 9600 and then set the port speeds in Kermit to 9600. I have tried both > com ports with no luck. > > Do both PC's need to be running Kermit ? No. > I have successfully used Kermit to dial out through my modem but I just > get a blank screen when I try to connect to the other PC. > Any ideas what I am doing wrong ? Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Fri Apr 5 05:41:10 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id FAA02740 for ; Fri, 5 Apr 1996 05:41:10 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id FAA16152 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 5 Apr 1996 05:41:08 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!info.ucla.edu!library.ucla.edu!galaxy.ucr.edu!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!munnari.OZ.AU!news.ecn.uoknor.edu!news.ysu.edu!odin.oar.net!malgudi.oar.net!wariat.org!news From: woodman@apk.net Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: C-Kermit dialing in to VMS Date: 5 Apr 1996 00:21:45 GMT Organization: APK - Internet Provider for Ohio. Lines: 9 Message-ID: <4k1p2p$fka@wariat.wariat.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: woodman.apk.net X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) I am presently using C-Kermit on my Unix workstation, and I have been trying to dial-up to our company's VAX via modem and login to my account. Well, the dial-up portion works fine. The problem occurs after it connects to the VMS machine, it seems to stall there with no keyboard response . I would like to know if anyone has any suggestions on any changes I could make on my end as far as my Settings within kermit, that might help this situation? Thanks, in advance From news@columbia.edu Fri Apr 5 10:46:12 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA07232 for ; Fri, 5 Apr 1996 10:46:07 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA11271 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 5 Apr 1996 10:46:05 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!munnari.OZ.AU!news.ecn.uoknor.edu!paladin.american.edu!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit and PPP Message-ID: <1996Apr5.074214.77698@cc.usu.edu> Date: 5 Apr 96 07:42:14 MDT References: <4jvb8g$ico@guitar.sound.net> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 30 In article <4jvb8g$ico@guitar.sound.net>, jr@echo.sound.net (Rock N Roll) writes: > I'm trying to use Kermit for DOS 3.14 over a PPP connection. I looked > through the docs and the only thing close enough that I could find was some > type of SLIP driver in the NETWORKS directory. So I downloaded some other > PPP driver for DOS. I don't remember the name of it but it used files > called PPP.EXE, DIAL.PPP, and CONFIG.PPP (which could probably be any number > of programs, I don't know). I got the scripting through that to work and > after running it, it can get my IP address, so I'm sure it's working. What > I want to know is how to get Kermit to use this. I tried all the SET > TCP/IP and SET TELNET commands to configure everything. When I try to > telnet to a host, it says something about not getting an ARP response from a > DNS server. Does Kermit for DOS only work over SLIP? > ----------- That item above is, I believe, the revised Merit PPP Packet Driver. If so it works here with MS-DOS Kermit 3.15/development. Older Merit PPP drivers merely hung my machine before Kermit could be started. You need to get IP numbers stated correctly, for openers. But there is a gotcha lurking in the works. It is there is a bug in MSK 3.14 wrt MAC (Ethernet etc) physical addresses. To deal with some NDIS drivers which echo back everything we send I match source MAC address with our own and reject packets which match. Alas, the test covered only the lead three bytes of six, by mistake, and that's the vendor ident field on most boards. Since PPP isn't Ethernet the Merit driver fakes Ethernet to the application, and the MAC addressed used might trip that bug (packets seem to come from our own lan adapter kind of thing). If this the case then there are two solutions: drop back to MSK 3.13 for the time being, or wait for MSK 3.15 which is in the works (but won't appear right away). This particular bug can't be patched. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Fri Apr 5 11:26:00 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA11631 for ; Fri, 5 Apr 1996 11:25:59 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA12530 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 5 Apr 1996 11:25:54 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: kermit protocol Date: 5 Apr 1996 16:25:39 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 16 Message-ID: <4k3hi3$c7a@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4k097r$4hu@mars.mahidol.ac.th> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4k097r$4hu@mars.mahidol.ac.th>, Sontaya Passakonnirin wrote: : Now, I have problem about packet kermit that why I recieved double packets, : the host can be sent double packets to terminal, Why do that? : Double packets should be harmless, but they do slow down the transfer. It can happen when a packet is retransmitted for some reason (timeout, etc) and the Kermit program does not follow the recommended procedure for non-windowed transfers and clear its input buffer after receiving the desired packet. You did not say what software you are using, but to the best of my knowledge all Kermit software from Columbia University recovers from double-packet syndrome automatically and quickly. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Apr 5 11:31:00 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA12339 for ; Fri, 5 Apr 1996 11:30:58 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA12919 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 5 Apr 1996 11:30:53 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-Kermit dialing in to VMS Date: 5 Apr 1996 16:30:37 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 15 Message-ID: <4k3hrd$cie@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4k1p2p$fka@wariat.wariat.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4k1p2p$fka@wariat.wariat.org>, wrote: : I am presently using C-Kermit on my Unix workstation, and I have been : trying to dial-up to our company's VAX via modem and login to my : account. Well, the dial-up portion works fine. The problem occurs after : it connects to the VMS machine, it seems to stall there with no keyboard : response . : How are you logging in? Did you give a CONNECT command? Or are you using a script program, or what? There could be a thousand explanations for this, ranging from low-level communication matters (the modem speeds don't agree, flow-control deadlock, etc) to pilot error. Please give more details about the procedure you are using and the equipment involved. For example, what is connected to the modem that is on the answering end? - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Apr 5 19:36:17 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA05193 for ; Fri, 5 Apr 1996 19:36:16 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id TAA26909 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 5 Apr 1996 19:36:15 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!netaxs.com!mhv.net!news.sprintlink.net!new-news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!uwm.edu!lll-winken.llnl.gov!venus.sun.com!news2me.EBay.Sun.COM!newsworthy.West.Sun.COM!news70.West.Sun.COM!johnch From: johnch@West.Sun.COM (John Chandler [Contractor]) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: I can receive files but sending fails Date: 5 Apr 1996 21:54:00 GMT Organization: Crimea River Corp. Lines: 17 Distribution: us Message-ID: <4k44po$sf@abyss.West.Sun.COM> NNTP-Posting-Host: mred.west.sun.com Using kermit on my machine at home (486 running Solaris 2.4), I can download files from my internet service provider, either text or binary, but when I attempt to send a file, text or binary, I get either a string of "T%" or %N" characters. I have only tried this in server mode. Does someone have a clue what might be going on, or what parameters I should try altering? The procedure I am using is one that has worked for me between other pairs of machines. -jmc -- You don't have to listen to me, that's the triumph of free will There are promises to break and dreams to kill - E. Costello From news@columbia.edu Fri Apr 5 20:22:31 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA08687 for ; Fri, 5 Apr 1996 20:22:29 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id UAA27943 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 5 Apr 1996 20:22:27 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!munnari.OZ.AU!news.ecn.uoknor.edu!qns3.qns.com!news.sprintlink.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: DOS-kermit 3.14 problem with Linux color ls Message-ID: <1996Apr5.153047.77727@cc.usu.edu> Date: 5 Apr 96 15:30:47 MDT References: <4jfcgh$r60@news.ccit.arizona.edu> <4jpaal$ijb@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 19 In article <4jpaal$ijb@watsun.cc.columbia.edu>, fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: > In article <4jfcgh$r60@news.ccit.arizona.edu>, > Joseph Y Chen wrote: > : I'm having color problem with color ls command in linux. When I log on > : into my linux box which uses color ls, the terminal of DOS-kermit 3.14 is > : messed up with colors. I have to go back to use DOS-kermit 3.01 to avoid > : the mess. No matter which terminal emulator. > : > Please send a uuencoded session log of an ls listing that demonstrates the > problem. Tell MS-DOS Kermit to "log session". Then log in to Linux and > run a color ls command. Then tell MS-DOS Kermit to "close session", and then > upload the resulting session.log file in binary mode. Then uuencode it and > email it to kermit@columbia.edu. ---------- Following up here for the benefit of list readers. We received the uuencoded session log, and it looks like normal Linux screen coloring of directory listings. My guess is "messed up" translates into "uses" and thus it's not a Kermit problem but rather a Linux design feature. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sat Apr 6 00:49:08 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA28443 for ; Sat, 6 Apr 1996 00:49:07 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id AAA04332 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 6 Apr 1996 00:49:04 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!hamblin.math.byu.edu!acs2.byu.edu!news.cuny.edu!caen!newsxfer2.itd.umich.edu!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.os.ms-windows.misc Subject: Re: Infinite screen dumps? Message-ID: <1996Apr5.183113.77747@cc.usu.edu> Date: 5 Apr 96 18:31:13 MDT References: <1996Apr5.180654.77746@cc.usu.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 52 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:5017 comp.os.ms-windows.misc:102695 In article <1996Apr5.180654.77746@cc.usu.edu>, ivie@cc.usu.edu (Roger Ivie) writes: > Greetings! > > Because I'm a wierdo, I have a DOS box that I keep running KERMIT in WfW 3.11 > to act as a console for my DECstation 5000/120 (I've configured it to > be headless). Twice in the last month, the DOS box running KERMIT has gone > completely bonkers, spitting screen dumps out to the printer as fast as it > can. Since the console is usually iconised, I never notice this is happening > until Netware becomes insistent about a printer that I've not been using > going offline (it's gone offline because I've dumped about 9MB of > screen dumps to it and used up all the paper). > > I've been using KERMIT in this setup for about a year without any trouble; > it's just been lately that it'll go bonkers once in a while. > > Questions: > > - Has anyone seen this sort of behavior before? Not at my place (point of origin of MSK 3.11) where it's run in a Windows DOS box thousands of times per day (literally). But we use the more modern MSK 3.14 and some MSK 3.13. > - If so, is it a KERMIT problem (I suspect not) or a Windows > problem (I suspect so)? I dunno. If it's not a solid error then anyone can speculate equally. > - Is there a convenient way to disable the printscreen interrupt so that > when this happens, I don't have 9MB queued to the printer before I > find out about it? As usual, PrintScreen is trapped and implemented in the Bios, or the MS Windows emulation thereof. > My configuration: > > - WfW 3.11 > - Netware 4.01 > - MS-DOS KERMIT 3.11 (I know, I know; I'm downloading a newer version > as we speak) Thanks, saves trouble giving the universal Tech Support response of "upgrade to the latest version," only with MSK it does not cost you money. If the problem persists then please contact me directly with a few clues. Joe D. > -------------------------+--------------------------------------------- > Roger Ivie | "Evil has been rousted and the babysitter > ivie@cc.usu.edu | paid. Our work here is done." > http://cc.usu.edu/~ivie/ | -- The Tick From news@columbia.edu Sat Apr 6 02:49:05 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id CAA08661 for ; Sat, 6 Apr 1996 02:49:03 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id CAA06372 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 6 Apr 1996 02:48:58 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!hamblin.math.byu.edu!acs2.byu.edu!news.cuny.edu!caen!newsxfer2.itd.umich.edu!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!ivie From: ivie@cc.usu.edu (Roger Ivie) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.os.ms-windows.misc Subject: Infinite screen dumps? Message-ID: <1996Apr5.180654.77746@cc.usu.edu> Date: 5 Apr 96 18:06:54 MDT Organization: Utah State University Lines: 34 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:5018 comp.os.ms-windows.misc:102703 Greetings! Because I'm a wierdo, I have a DOS box that I keep running KERMIT in WfW 3.11 to act as a console for my DECstation 5000/120 (I've configured it to be headless). Twice in the last month, the DOS box running KERMIT has gone completely bonkers, spitting screen dumps out to the printer as fast as it can. Since the console is usually iconised, I never notice this is happening until Netware becomes insistent about a printer that I've not been using going offline (it's gone offline because I've dumped about 9MB of screen dumps to it and used up all the paper). I've been using KERMIT in this setup for about a year without any trouble; it's just been lately that it'll go bonkers once in a while. Questions: - Has anyone seen this sort of behavior before? - If so, is it a KERMIT problem (I suspect not) or a Windows problem (I suspect so)? - Is there a convenient way to disable the printscreen interrupt so that when this happens, I don't have 9MB queued to the printer before I find out about it? My configuration: - WfW 3.11 - Netware 4.01 - MS-DOS KERMIT 3.11 (I know, I know; I'm downloading a newer version as we speak) -- -------------------------+--------------------------------------------- Roger Ivie | "Evil has been rousted and the babysitter ivie@cc.usu.edu | paid. Our work here is done." http://cc.usu.edu/~ivie/ | -- The Tick From news@columbia.edu Sat Apr 6 12:34:16 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA00897 for ; Sat, 6 Apr 1996 12:34:16 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id MAA06227 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 6 Apr 1996 12:34:13 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: I can receive files but sending fails Date: 6 Apr 1996 17:33:54 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 25 Distribution: us Message-ID: <4k69u2$62b@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4k44po$sf@abyss.West.Sun.COM> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4k44po$sf@abyss.West.Sun.COM>, John Chandler [Contractor] wrote: : : Using kermit on my machine at home (486 running Solaris 2.4), I can : download files from my internet service provider, either text or : binary, but when I attempt to send a file, text or binary, I get : either a string of "T%" or %N" characters. I have only tried this : in server mode. Does someone have a clue what might be going on, : or what parameters I should try altering? : : The procedure I am using is one that has worked for me between other : pairs of machines. : This is not sufficient information to provide a useful answer. Entire books have been written on the topic :-). I'd suggest you look at one of them. Chapter 6 of "Using C-Kermit", "Solving File Transfer Problems", is recommended. Briefly -- when file transfer works in one direction but not the other, this usually indicates a buffering or flow control problem in the failing direction, or a lack of transparency to the 8th bit (if you are transferring 8-bit data), or a lack of transparency to certain control characters (which would affect you only if you were using the "set control unprefix" feature). - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sat Apr 6 12:39:23 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA01332 for ; Sat, 6 Apr 1996 12:39:23 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id MAA06313 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 6 Apr 1996 12:39:19 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.os.ms-windows.misc Subject: Re: Infinite screen dumps? Date: 6 Apr 1996 17:39:02 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 16 Message-ID: <4k6a7m$654@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <1996Apr5.180654.77746@cc.usu.edu> <1996Apr5.183113.77747@cc.usu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:5020 comp.os.ms-windows.misc:102718 In article <1996Apr5.183113.77747@cc.usu.edu>, Joe Doupnik wrote: : In article <1996Apr5.180654.77746@cc.usu.edu>, : ivie@cc.usu.edu (Roger Ivie) writes: : > - Is there a convenient way to disable the printscreen interrupt so that : > when this happens, I don't have 9MB queued to the printer before I : > find out about it? : : As usual, PrintScreen is trapped and implemented in the Bios, or : the MS Windows emulation thereof. : One other thought -- probably not useful: on the off-chance that the spewing is caused by printer-related escape sequences from the host -- possibly garbage or noise -- maybe "set printer nul" would help? - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sat Apr 6 19:01:17 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA06117 for ; Sat, 6 Apr 1996 19:01:16 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id TAA14346 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 6 Apr 1996 19:01:14 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!info.ucla.edu!psgrain!nntp.teleport.com!usenet From: mkmcconn@teleport.com (Mark McConnell) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: modem won't respond to mskermit Date: 06 Apr 1996 07:31:35 -0800 Organization: Teleport - Internet Access -- 220-1016; Portland, Oregon, USA Lines: 45 Sender: mkmcconn@julie.teleport.com Message-ID: Reply-To: mkmcconn@teleport.com NNTP-Posting-Host: julie.teleport.com X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.0.15 I've only been using a computer for a couple of years, and got my first modem only last year, so I'm sure that helpful information will be left out of my question -- I hope you can decipher it: A couple of weeks ago, I downloaded the single file, kermit.exe, wrote my own .ini files, my own login script, my own .pif and set it up on my 486 at home. Everything has worked great. Download efficiencies are great. I'm happy -- At work, I tried to do the same thing. I've set up a 486-DX, connected to a Windows for Workgroups and Novell network, using a modem connected to my com2, SHOW COMMUNICATIONS reads: Port \x2F8 IRQ3, 16550A UART FIFO 1stop-bit I'm using an Intel 14400 ext. I'm emulating VT102 with normal key-mapping. Kermit is in C:\KERMIT and all of the support files are in subdirectories created by PKUNZIP. I can't get Kermit to DIAL. It wouldn't dial from the command line the cursor just blinks at the end of the phone number (^c exits normally). So, I SET CARRIER OFF and used CONNECT to type in the AT command to dial. The modem would not acknowledge ATZ, ATH OR +++. SHOW MODEM says that the modem is ready. DSR is on CD is off (I turned it off) CTS is on. My AT commands echo normally to the screen, but nothing happens (It doesn't return an OK to any commands). The HANGUP command produces the message Modem or network should have disconnected (something like that). At that point, the "14.4" light goes out on my modem (so, the modem is connected, just not listening). Incidentally, I got the same results on two other machines on the network, each attached to their own modems, one is a Zoom, the other a Standard. The other two machines react in exactly the same way. I tried logging off of the Novell network, and I haven't even tried to work in Windows. Is there any clue in this mess, to answer why I can't get the modem to respond to kermit? Mark McConnell -- Mark McConnell =-=-=-=-=-=-=-mkmcconn@teleport.com-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= From news@columbia.edu Sun Apr 7 05:50:22 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id FAA22649 for ; Sun, 7 Apr 1996 05:50:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id FAA25500 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 7 Apr 1996 05:50:17 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!news.dacom.co.kr!usenet.seri.re.kr!news.cais.net!news.jsums.edu!gatech!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!psgrain!nntp.teleport.com!usenet From: mkmcconn@teleport.com (Mark McConnell) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Good shareware Term program w/Kermit? Date: Sun, 07 Apr 1996 04:26:33 GMT Organization: Teleport - Portland's Public Access (503) 220-1016 Lines: 39 Message-ID: <4k7hg7$o0e@nadine.teleport.com> References: Reply-To: mkmcconn@teleport.com NNTP-Posting-Host: ip-pdx04-39.teleport.com X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 On Thu, 28 Mar 1996 10:07:15 -0800, "M. Crane" wrote: >Can someone recommend a good shareware term program with the latest >implementation of Kermit? Telix for DOS only supports 94 character >packet sizes, and I'd like something a little speedier without having to >go through the hassle of trying to figure out the raw ms-kerm 3.14 with >its 85 batch files and cli interface. > Thanks! Please forgive me if the question is more complicated than it appears, I'm not an expert. But, is there some reason that you don't like the emulator that Kermit provides? It's at least as easy to configure as Telix - even easier if you use the zipped *.ini files in mvibm.zip. You just need to change maybe as many as 5 lines in mscustom.ini, and you're on your way. I've used them both. Kermit takes up less space for the necessary files and gives easier access to the best file transfer protocol there is. And the help and support is unrivaled. Besides, the Dos emulators I've come across don't give true DEC emulation for half-intensity video (for example). Kermit does so much, and you don't need to touch even one of the 85 batch files. > Mark Crane > Portland State U. mkmcconn@teleport.com http://www.teleport.com/~mkmcconn From news@columbia.edu Sun Apr 7 05:50:23 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id FAA22653 for ; Sun, 7 Apr 1996 05:50:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id FAA25502 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 7 Apr 1996 05:50:18 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!news.dacom.co.kr!news.kreonet.re.kr!usenet.seri.re.kr!news.cais.net!news.jsums.edu!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!ivie From: ivie@cc.usu.edu (Roger Ivie) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.os.ms-windows.misc Subject: Re: Infinite screen dumps? Message-ID: <1996Apr6.222155.77789@cc.usu.edu> Date: 6 Apr 96 22:21:54 MDT References: <1996Apr5.180654.77746@cc.usu.edu> <1996Apr5.183113.77747@cc.usu.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 13 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:5023 comp.os.ms-windows.misc:102753 In article <1996Apr5.183113.77747@cc.usu.edu>, jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: > Not at my place (point of origin of MSK 3.11) where it's run in > a Windows DOS box thousands of times per day (literally). But > we use the more modern MSK 3.14 and some MSK 3.13. I've been running this DOS box for about a year now, and it's only been recently that I've seen this. The configuration of my machine is fairly static, so I can't pin down anything as obviously a suspect. -- -------------------------+--------------------------------------------- Roger Ivie | "Evil has been rousted and the babysitter ivie@cc.usu.edu | paid. Our work here is done." http://cc.usu.edu/~ivie/ | -- The Tick From news@columbia.edu Sun Apr 7 10:04:21 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA20267 for ; Sun, 7 Apr 1996 10:04:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA18251 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 7 Apr 1996 10:04:16 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.os.ms-windows.misc Subject: Re: Infinite screen dumps? Message-ID: <1996Apr6.231725.77790@cc.usu.edu> Date: 6 Apr 96 23:17:25 MDT References: <1996Apr5.180654.77746@cc.usu.edu> <1996Apr5.183113.77747@cc.usu.edu> <1996Apr6.222155.77789@cc.usu.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 18 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:5024 comp.os.ms-windows.misc:102758 In article <1996Apr6.222155.77789@cc.usu.edu>, ivie@cc.usu.edu (Roger Ivie) writes: > In article <1996Apr5.183113.77747@cc.usu.edu>, jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: >> Not at my place (point of origin of MSK 3.11) where it's run in >> a Windows DOS box thousands of times per day (literally). But >> we use the more modern MSK 3.14 and some MSK 3.13. > > I've been running this DOS box for about a year now, and it's only been > recently that I've seen this. The configuration of my machine is fairly > static, so I can't pin down anything as obviously a suspect. ------ If it helps, here is a true story which might apply. My faithful desktop 486-66 started to stumble upon morning powerup. Some days it would take a minute or so for the keyboard lights to flash and booting to progress. Once up it would restart effortlessly. After checking everything, including measuring the power supply voltages, it dawned on me to check the AC on the power wires. Sure enough, lots of ripple as the power supply moved into computer old-age. Replacment of the power supply returned matters to health. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sun Apr 7 12:38:05 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA01546 for ; Sun, 7 Apr 1996 12:38:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id MAA21166 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 7 Apr 1996 12:38:02 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!netaxs.com!news2.cais.net!news.cais.net!news.jsums.edu!gatech!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!freenet4.afn.org!djohns From: djohns@freenet4.afn.org (David A. Johns) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Good shareware Term program w/Kermit? Date: 7 Apr 1996 11:49:11 GMT Lines: 113 Message-ID: <4k8a3n$auv@huron.eel.ufl.edu> References: <4k7hg7$o0e@nadine.teleport.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: freenet4.afn.org X-Newsreader: NewsWerthy 1.71 (unregistered) In <4k7hg7$o0e@nadine.teleport.com>, mkmcconn@teleport.com (Mark McConnell) wrote: # Please forgive me if the question is more complicated than it # appears, I'm not an expert. But, is there some reason that # you don't like the emulator that Kermit provides? I love MSKermit for certain purposes. I use it regularly as a file transfer protocol and as a telnet program on a network, and I always turn to it for debugging if I'm having trouble with emulation, setting up a fossil driver, or whatever. I enjoy being able to get into the guts of the program and write scripts in the very complete script language. But I'm afraid that even I can't bring myself to use MSK as a complete terminal program. Two reasons are the virtually useless scrollback buffer and log file. I use both features a lot (in other programs), and I just can't live without being able to search for text in the buffer and mark text for copying to a file; and I want a log file in plain text, not raw ansi. Another major reason is the 1980-era program structure -- the dual levels, like vi. I don't mind giving text commands (in fact I resisted MSWindows until less than a year ago), but I do mind the fact that I/O done from scripts doesn't go through the emulator and that the program doesn't automatically switch back to connect mode after a command. # It's at least as easy to configure as Telix - even easier if # you use the zipped *.ini files in mvibm.zip. You just need to # change maybe as many as 5 lines in mscustom.ini, and you're on # your way. Well, yes. If MSK works right out of the box, that's fine. And if you enjoy changing settings manually in a text file, as I do, that's fine too. But if you're one of the vast majority of users in between those two poles, I think you're going to be intimidated by having to leave the program and crank up a text editor (not your regular word processor) to modify those text files. Especially since one small mistake can make a mess of the whole file -- I once wrote a macro definition that included a stop command, but accidentally left off the line continuation hyphen on a preceding line. It took me quite a while to find out why most of my def statements weren't being processed. As more and more naive users take up telecomputing, the need for a configuration program will become more acute. # I've used them both. Kermit takes up less space for the # necessary files True, but no one cares about 100K here and there anymore. # and gives easier access to the best file transfer protocol # there is. And very useful indeed if you're dealing with unix machines, but lots of BBS type hosts don't install Kermit anymore, so the lack of other protocols is an annoyance. # And the help and support is unrivaled. There's no question about that. The support level is unbelievable in this modern age of sell 'em and forget 'em. # Besides, the Dos emulators I've come across don't give true # DEC emulation for half-intensity video (for example). Kermit # does so much, and you don't need to touch even one of the 85 # batch files. Yes, the emulation is extremely good, and I know of no other program that offers such flexibility; I use it on a network, on a regular serial connection, and over a fossil driver. Let me also add that the books and the on-line documents are among the best written I've ever seen. When I got a TCP connection at work, I turned to the MSK docs to understand it. The setup.doc file is the best intro to network connection I've seen. The Gianone book also gives the best intro to VTxxx I've ever found. I don't use C-Kermit except as a remote user, but if I ever have to, I'm sure that _Using C-Kermit_ will teach me not only about the program, but about the hosts it runs on. Back to the original question, though. I've found that the best compromise for my purposes is the communication program Commo with MSK installed as an external protocol. Commo is very small (under 50K for the executable) but has good emulation and an excellent script language. It has ZModem built in, but allows easy shelling to Kermit for those situations where I need it. The disadvantage of Commo is that it also uses text files for configuration, although it does have an internal editor with which to make the modifications and loads the config files automatically. But that still leaves the possibility of making a systax error which would be impossible for an amateur to find. I think if I were recommending a package to someone else, I'd go for something like QModem 4.6 Test Drive or Telix and install kerlite.exe as an external protocol. It might take some fiddling with a .ini file to get the right packet length, etc., but once set up, it should be pretty robust. By the way, I understand fully that Joe can't go back now, in the twilight of DOS programs, and rewrite MSK from scratch. I appreciate MSK for what it has been and still is, and I also realize that Kermit95 has brought Columbia Kermit into the modern world. Maybe one of these days I'll break down and buy the hardware so that I can buy the software so that I can see what this new Kermit is like [*]. Until then, I'll continue being an antiquarian who takes advantages of a programs strong points and finds ways around its weak points. David Johns [*] Although if it came to that, I'd rather go with OS/2 and use C-Kermit. Is there any hope that C-Kermit will ever be rewritten as a modern application? From news@columbia.edu Sun Apr 7 14:05:23 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA09206 for ; Sun, 7 Apr 1996 14:05:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id OAA22943 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 7 Apr 1996 14:05:20 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: modem won't respond to mskermit Date: 7 Apr 1996 18:04:59 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 59 Message-ID: <4k904b$mc2@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Mark McConnell wrote: : A couple of weeks ago, I downloaded the single file, kermit.exe, wrote : my own .ini files, my own login script, my own .pif and set it up on my : 486 at home. Everything has worked great. Download efficiencies are : great. I'm happy -- : : At work, I tried to do the same thing. I've set up a 486-DX, connected : to a Windows for Workgroups and Novell network, using a modem connected : to my com2, SHOW COMMUNICATIONS reads: Port \x2F8 IRQ3, 16550A UART FIFO : 1 stop-bit. : This looks perfectly normal for COM2. : I can't get Kermit to DIAL. It wouldn't dial from the command line the : cursor just blinks at the end of the phone number (^c exits normally). : So, I SET CARRIER OFF and used CONNECT to type in the AT command to : dial. The modem would not acknowledge ATZ, ATH OR +++. SHOW MODEM says : that the modem is ready. DSR is on CD is off (I turned it off) CTS is : on. My AT commands echo normally to the screen, but nothing happens (It : doesn't return an OK to any commands). The HANGUP command produces the : message Modem or network should have disconnected (something like that). : : At that point, the "14.4" light goes out on my modem (so, the modem is : connected, just not listening). : If your modem were not plugged in to the COM port (you didn't say if it was an internal or external model), you might see the same kind of echoing; this tends to happen when you CONNECT to an empty COM port. But the evidence seems to indicate that you do indeed have the modem plugged in to COM2, as the modem lights seem to react to changes in PC modem signals (HANGUP turns off DTR). Now, we are accustomed to to "can talk but not listen" syndrome, and have a perfectly good explanation for it, but this is the reverse. The aforementioned syndrome is generally caused by an improper interrupt assignment, or an interrupt conflict. But interrupts are used only in reading characters from the modem, not writing characters to it. And you seem to be reading characters without difficulty. So why would the modem receive characters, echo them properly, but ignore them? If Kermit were set to an interface speed that is not supported by the modem, this would explain why the modem is ignoring your commands. But it does not explain why the modem is echoing them correctly. So speed is probably not a factor. So perhaps the modem-signal wires (DTR, DSR, CD, etc) are connected properly, but the data wires are not. This would seem unlikely at first, but there is a very easy way this can happen: if you were using a null modem cable instead of a modem cable, in which the receive and transmit data wires are crossed instead of straight through. Another explanation might just be a loose cable or pin. Every time I have seen this kind of thing happen, it was always a cable problem. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sun Apr 7 14:25:05 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA10930 for ; Sun, 7 Apr 1996 14:25:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id OAA23296 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 7 Apr 1996 14:24:57 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Good shareware Term program w/Kermit? Date: 7 Apr 1996 18:24:51 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 29 Message-ID: <4k919j$mnt@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4k7hg7$o0e@nadine.teleport.com> <4k8a3n$auv@huron.eel.ufl.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4k8a3n$auv@huron.eel.ufl.edu>, : By the way, I understand fully that Joe can't go back now, in the : twilight of DOS programs, and rewrite MSK from scratch. : Actually, MS-DOS Kermit is far from dead. You're right, it isn't going to be redone from scratch, but I expect it to see continued development for some time to come. While the user interface is not exactly what you might want to foist upon a computer newcomer who expects everything to have a slick graphical appearance and to happen by magic, it is ideal for many other applications, including those in which an "expert" uses the powerful script language and customization features to configure it for a particular use, organization, or environment, where it is then used by "naive" users, sometimes even without their knowledge. Meanwhile, I think I speak for everybody in acknowledging the debt of gratitude that is owed by the world's millions (yes, millions) of MS-DOS Kermit users to Professor Joe Doupnik of Utah State University for his continued and unflagging generosity, skill, and dedication in developing and supporting this program over the past ten (yes, ten) years since he took it over. : [*] Although if it came to that, I'd rather go with OS/2 and use : C-Kermit. Is there any hope that C-Kermit will ever be rewritten as a : modern application? : Yes, there is some hope. Obviously, for reasons of survival, Windows 95 and NT are our top priority, but we have not forgotten about OS/2. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sun Apr 7 15:40:27 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA18394 for ; Sun, 7 Apr 1996 15:40:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id PAA25111 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 7 Apr 1996 15:40:25 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!intra.demon.co.uk From: paul@intra.demon.co.uk (Paul) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit will not connect ???? Date: Sun, 07 Apr 1996 17:57:54 GMT Organization: Home Lines: 52 Message-ID: <828896263.14273@intra.demon.co.uk> References: <828388254.2362@intra.demon.co.uk> <1996Apr4.210656.77681@cc.usu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: intra.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: intra.demon.co.uk X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) wrote: >In article <828388254.2362@intra.demon.co.uk>, paul@intra.demon.co.uk (Paul) writes: >> I have been trying to connect two 486 PCs using Kermit 3.14. >> >> When I type 'c' to connect, I get a frozen screen. I am using a null > Forzen? If you mean you don't see your own keystrokes then its >because normally "the other side" echos them as a mainframe to terminal >arrangment. SET LOCAL ECHO ON solves that. Otherwise you have installation >problems and the first step is to carefully review the release documentation >on the many problems aflicting PCs. I trust you mean "set local on" not "set local echo on" as Kermit 3.14 will not allow me to use the word echo. Having "set local on" the screen is now "unfrozen", and I can see what is being typed on both PC's. However what I want to do is run programs on the server from the "terminal". I have used this facility before to link a 486 running dos to a 386 server running a unix Accounts program. I hasten to add it was not me who set up the system. When typing "C" to connect on the 486 it logged directly into the 386 and behaved as a full terminal and allowed access to all the Accounts software. Is there something special about unix which allows this link, if not, how do I connect to dos programs running on a 486 server from a 486 "terminal". TIA Paul >> modem cable which has 2 9pin and 2 25pin connectors (which allows >> connection to com1 or com2). I have checked the cable using Dos >> Interlnk. >> I have set the port speeds on both PC's using the Dos mode command to >> 9600 and then set the port speeds in Kermit to 9600. I have tried both >> com ports with no luck. >> >> Do both PC's need to be running Kermit ? > No. >> I have successfully used Kermit to dial out through my modem but I just >> get a blank screen when I try to connect to the other PC. >> Any ideas what I am doing wrong ? > Joe D. * To those not yet on the Net I say, I wish I had your telephone bill. * * PGP Fingerprint 5D 1B 83 BF 02 EF 1D EB 3D AF C4 09 FA F3 42 3E * * Key ID ADA26D41 Paul John Alcock * From news@columbia.edu Sun Apr 7 19:12:13 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA09936 for ; Sun, 7 Apr 1996 19:12:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id TAA00197 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 7 Apr 1996 19:12:11 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit will not connect ???? Date: 7 Apr 1996 23:12:06 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 37 Message-ID: <4k9i46$62@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <828388254.2362@intra.demon.co.uk> <1996Apr4.210656.77681@cc.usu.edu> <828896263.14273@intra.demon.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <828896263.14273@intra.demon.co.uk>, Paul wrote: : ... : Having "set local on" the screen is now "unfrozen", and I can see what : is being typed on both PC's. : However what I want to do is run programs on the server from the : "terminal". : : I have used this facility before to link a 486 running dos to a 386 : server running a unix Accounts program. I hasten to add it was not me : who set up the system. When typing "C" to connect on the 486 it logged : directly into the 386 and behaved as a full terminal and allowed access : to all the Accounts software. Is there something special about unix : which allows this link, if not, how do I connect to dos programs running : on a 486 server from a 486 "terminal". : There is indeed something special about UNIX. It is designed to allow users to log in through its serial ports. DOS and Windows are not. There is no login process, no shell that runs on a serial port. With Kermit, you have two choices: run Kermit on the remote computer and put it in server mode (recommended), or redirect the console of the second PC to the serial port ("ctty com1", dangerous, not recommended). These two options are described in detail in the MS-DOS Kermit user manual, "Using MS-DOS Kermit", chapters 10 and 11. You have other options too -- BBS programs and the "pcAnywhere" type of remote access program, but each of these is quite complex and/or quite expensive. This, by the way, is becoming a Very Frequently Asked Question. Users of PCs with Windows (and DOS) have a lot of trouble understanding why they can't just call up (dial or telnet) this kind of system "log in" to it using a terminal program like Kermit. This was a design decision by the company that invented DOS and Windows. It has nothing to do with the fact that the underlying machine is a PC; other PC operating systems, such as Linux or SCO (etc), allow this sort of access quite naturally. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Apr 8 09:35:06 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA02208 for ; Mon, 8 Apr 1996 09:35:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id JAA06395 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 8 Apr 1996 09:35:00 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!news.dacom.co.kr!usenet.seri.re.kr!news.cais.net!news.jsums.edu!gatech!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!freenet4.afn.org!djohns From: djohns@freenet4.afn.org (David A. Johns) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Good shareware Term program w/Kermit? Date: 8 Apr 1996 11:34:23 GMT Lines: 46 Message-ID: <4katjv$sfu@huron.eel.ufl.edu> References: <4k7hg7$o0e@nadine.teleport.com> <4k8a3n$auv@huron.eel.ufl.edu> <4k919j$mnt@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: freenet4.afn.org X-Newsreader: NewsWerthy 1.71 (unregistered) In <4k919j$mnt@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) wrote: # Actually, MS-DOS Kermit is far from dead. That's what I wanted to hear :-). # You're right, it isn't going to be redone from scratch, but I # expect it to see continued development for some time to come. # While the user interface is not exactly what you might want to # foist upon a computer newcomer who expects everything to have # a slick graphical appearance and to happen by magic, Well, I'm not sure that internal configuration, a useful scrollback and log, integrated script and emulation, or a dialing directory are exactly "slick" and "magic." They're about 1985 technology, right? # it is ideal for many other applications, including those in # which an "expert" uses the powerful script language and # customization features to configure it for a particular use, # organization, or environment, where it is then used by "naive" # users, sometimes even without their knowledge. I agree 100%, and in fact, that's how I was introduced to MSK, in an institutional setting. # Meanwhile, I think I speak for everybody in acknowledging the # debt of gratitude that is owed by the world's millions (yes, # millions) of MS-DOS Kermit users to Professor Joe Doupnik of # Utah State University for his continued and unflagging # generosity, skill, and dedication in developing and supporting # this program over the past ten (yes, ten) years since he took # it over. Yes, if I remember correctly from the docs of the earliest MSK I used (around 1987), Joe was credited with volunteering to rewrite portions of the MSK code. Some volunteer effort! I hope he gets community service brownie points at USU. # Yes, there is some hope. Obviously, for reasons of survival, # Windows 95 and NT are our top priority, but we have not # forgotten about OS/2. Glad to hear that too. David Johns From news@columbia.edu Mon Apr 8 09:35:06 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA02213 for ; Mon, 8 Apr 1996 09:35:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id JAA06397 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 8 Apr 1996 09:35:01 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!news.dacom.co.kr!usenet.seri.re.kr!news.cais.net!news.jsums.edu!gatech!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!freenet4.afn.org!djohns From: djohns@freenet4.afn.org (David A. Johns) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit will not connect ???? Date: 8 Apr 1996 11:34:24 GMT Lines: 46 Message-ID: <4katk0$sg0@huron.eel.ufl.edu> References: <828388254.2362@intra.demon.co.uk> <1996Apr4.210656.77681@cc.usu.edu> <828896263.14273@intra.demon.co.uk> <4k9i46$62@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: freenet4.afn.org X-Newsreader: NewsWerthy 1.71 (unregistered) In <4k9i46$62@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) wrote: # You have other options too -- BBS programs and the # "pcAnywhere" type of remote access program, but each of these # is quite complex and/or quite expensive. One more option: the shareware program Doorway ($30). It comes with a little host program that will answer the phone and ask for a password. It will even listen for a single ring "signal" and answer the next call, or hang up and call a predetermined number before connecting. The host will then call the doorway program proper, which can give you complete access to DOS or any nongraphical program. Doorway also has a built-in file transfer program, but Kermit and ZModem work perfectly through the connection too. I bring this up here because it's one area in which MSK falls down. In order to use Doorway, you need to have a terminal program that sends PC scan codes to the host. Most of the common programs have "doorway mode," but MSK doesn't. To quote from kermit.upd: Kermit's ANSI emulation does nothing special with the keys; in particular, there is no attempt at "PCTERM" keyboard handling, in which unique key-down and key-up sequences are transmitted separately for every single IBM key (including Shift, Alt, etc), apparently needed for the SCO UNIX console terminal (also called "DOORWAY mode)", but evidently not needed for BBS's. Where Doorway is commonly used with BBSes is in allowing remote sysop access. The BBS shells (or "drops") to Doorway, which then allows the remote sysop to run configuration programs and even "ill-behaved" applications that write directly to the screen. # This, by the way, is becoming a Very Frequently Asked # Question. Users of PCs with Windows (and DOS) have a lot of # trouble understanding why they can't just call up (dial or # telnet) this kind of system "log in" to it using a terminal # program like Kermit. This was a design decision by the # company that invented DOS and Windows. Yes, but the popularity of such programs as PC-Anywhere suggest that as more and more people have computers both at home and at work, the demand for this access will rise. David Johns From news@columbia.edu Mon Apr 8 19:08:38 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA11669 for ; Mon, 8 Apr 1996 19:08:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id TAA21807 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 8 Apr 1996 19:08:34 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!hamblin.math.byu.edu!acs2.byu.edu!news.cuny.edu!caen!spool.mu.edu!munnari.OZ.AU!news.ecn.uoknor.edu!news.ysu.edu!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!agate!dog.ee.lbl.gov!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MSKermit 3.14 and WfW 3.11-Term Emul Probs Message-ID: <1996Apr8.092428.77838@cc.usu.edu> Date: 8 Apr 96 09:24:28 MDT References: <96092.192152U54294@uicvm.uic.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 22 In article <96092.192152U54294@uicvm.uic.edu>, writes: > Hi all- > I'm using 3.14 under WfW3.11 out of your average COM2 to a unix host > through a terminal server and ethernet. The hardware's a 386/SX-40 with > an 8250 UART. Under WfW, terminal emulation sessions invariably hang > and/or lose characters. I've tried everything suggested in the BWR file > that seems to fit (lock application in memory, increase priority, increase > memory available, removed SMARTDRIVE, lower speed), but no relief. The very > same hardware, settings, connections, user, etc., works just fine straight > from DOS, but start Kermit from Windows and I have problems. > What's the magic bullet?...Thanks...Nick G. ------------- It's fairly clear that Windows is the culprit in this story. You can try other Windows serial port drivers (see the Windows NEWS groups for advice on those available), a better UART, watch carefully what's run in Windows that may eat cpu time (print spooling, for example, and clocks), and so on. In addition, you may have to investigate how your terminal server deals with flow control and match it on the desktop. Kermit is seeing the serial port through Windows' emulation of it, and Windows is about as hostile an environment for communications as they come these days. Sigh. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Tue Apr 9 03:35:59 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id DAA23321 for ; Tue, 9 Apr 1996 03:35:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id DAA04910 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 9 Apr 1996 03:35:53 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!imci5!imci4!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!csnews!boulder!coopnews.coop.net!news.den.mmc.com!usenet From: Ernie Binder Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit95 and script files Date: Mon, 08 Apr 1996 21:54:26 -0400 Organization: Lockheed Martin Corp., M&DS Lines: 31 Message-ID: <3169C352.34F1@pogo.den.mmc.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 166.17.9.220 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Win95; I) Can someone help me, I am stumped. I have written a script to work with my new Kermit95 program, but I have a small problem. I have to record the password in the script file to make it work. I tried to place the UserId and Password in the K95 Dialer, login page, but the Password does not seem to be transfered (recognized). However, the UserId is recognized. The value of the \v(password) seems to be corrupted or not what I assigned it. The beginning of the script assigns the UserID and Password as follows: assign \%1 \v(userid) ; UserID is defined on the Login ; page of the K-95 Dialer assign \%2 \v(password) ; Password is defined on the Login ; page of the K-95 Dialer I then check the values of these variables and I get a correct UserId, but the Password is hosed. If I put the password in the script every thing works OK. To check the variable contents I used: echo \%1 echo \%2 To use the variables I used: output \%1 output \%2 Have I missed something? Ernie From news@columbia.edu Tue Apr 9 07:54:42 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA22153 for ; Tue, 9 Apr 1996 07:54:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id HAA15160 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 9 Apr 1996 07:54:35 -0400 (EDT) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.mindlink.net!van-bc!unixg.ubc.ca!info.ucla.edu!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!bhuber From: bhuber@netcom.com (Bud Huber) Subject: DOS Kermit under Win95 Message-ID: Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) Date: Mon, 8 Apr 1996 14:30:49 GMT Lines: 19 Sender: bhuber@netcom15.netcom.com I have run into a problem with Kermit ver 3.14 level 9, having now upgraded to Windows 95. Kermit works okay, but the problem is with the dialing. Under Win 3.1 I used a "dial" command to connect with my local POP. Included in the phone number of the dialing was a "70#,," (without the quotes) prefix to disable call waiting, per my local phone company service needs. Problem is that since upgrading to Win95, this same dialing string is not properly passed to the modem. Same Kermit 3.14, same hardware, same everything except for running at the DOS level of Win95. Ideas? Solution? Bud -- ----- Bud Huber From news@columbia.edu Tue Apr 9 10:50:34 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA08806 for ; Tue, 9 Apr 1996 10:50:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA01332 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 9 Apr 1996 10:50:30 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: DOS Kermit under Win95 Date: 9 Apr 1996 14:50:27 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 36 Message-ID: <4kdtfj$19h@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Bud Huber wrote: : I have run into a problem with Kermit ver 3.14 level 9, having now : upgraded to Windows 95. Kermit works okay, but the problem is with the : dialing. Under Win 3.1 I used a "dial" command to connect with my local : POP. Included in the phone number of the dialing was a "70#,," (without : the quotes) prefix to disable call waiting, per my local phone company : service needs. : : Problem is that since upgrading to Win95, this same dialing string is : not properly passed to the modem. Same Kermit 3.14, same hardware, same : everything except for running at the DOS level of Win95. : MS-DOS Kermit is not recommended for Windows 95 or NT. We support it for all versions of DOS, 2.0 through the latest, plus Windows 3.x, DesqView, etc, with every conceivable combination of hardware, networking, memory management configuration, and so on. In Windows 95, MS-DOS Kermit might work on a serial connection and it might not. You're on your own. It won't work on most kinds of network connections, and definitely not for TCP/IP connections. That's why we wrote Kermit 95: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html Having said that, I tried your scenario locally and the call-waiting suppression string (70#,,) was passed to the modem just fine (modem = USR Courier, speed = 57600, flow = RTS/CTS), no matter whether I used the DIAL command or typed it directly at the modem in CONNECT mode (same thing with Kermit 95). But then when I went to exit from MS-DOS Kermit, the window froze and Windows 95 threw up all sorts of alert boxes. The fix for this sort of thing is to switch to Kermit 95. Then if you have problems we can help you with them. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Apr 9 11:11:31 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA11264 for ; Tue, 9 Apr 1996 11:11:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA01869 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 9 Apr 1996 11:11:29 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit95 and script files Date: 9 Apr 1996 15:10:53 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 50 Message-ID: <4kdult$1q4@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3169C352.34F1@pogo.den.mmc.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3169C352.34F1@pogo.den.mmc.com>, Ernie Binder wrote: : I have written a script to work with my new Kermit95 program, but I : have a small problem. I have to record the password in the script : file to make it work. I tried to place the UserId and Password in : the K95 Dialer, login page, but the Password does not seem to be : transfered (recognized). However, the UserId is recognized. The : value of the \v(password) seems to be corrupted or not what I assigned : it. The beginning of the script assigns the UserID and Password as : follows: : : assign \%1 \v(userid) ; UserID is defined on the Login : ; page of the K-95 Dialer : assign \%2 \v(password) ; Password is defined on the Login : ; page of the K-95 Dialer : : I then check the values of these variables and I get a correct UserId, : but the Password is hosed. If I put the password in the script every : thing works OK. To check the variable contents I used: : : echo \%1 : echo \%2 : : To use the variables I used: : : output \%1 : output \%2 : You forgot the carriage return: output \%1\13 output \%2\13 : Have I missed something? : The last two paragraphs on page 42 of "Kermit 95" recommend that you NOT do this. Passwords should NEVER be stored on a disk. Nevertheless, if you run your script from the login page, i.e. you check "Script file name" and you enter its name in the accompanying text box, it should work correctly. See the SCRIPTS\LOGIN.KSC file that comes with Kermit 95 as a working example. But you can't mix and match passwords that are entered in the login page with scripts that are run at the K-95> command prompt. If you have further problems with this, send email to: kermit-support@columbia.edu - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Apr 9 11:52:10 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA16016 for ; Tue, 9 Apr 1996 11:52:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA02760 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 9 Apr 1996 11:52:07 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.mindlink.net!van-bc!unixg.ubc.ca!nntp.cs.ubc.ca!psgrain!nntp.teleport.com!usenet From: mkmcconn@teleport.com (Mark McConnell) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: modem won't respond to mskermit Date: 09 Apr 1996 00:46:39 -0700 Organization: Teleport - Internet Access -- 220-1016; Portland, Oregon, USA Lines: 48 Sender: mkmcconn@linda.teleport.com Message-ID: References: <4k904b$mc2@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Reply-To: mkmcconn@teleport.com NNTP-Posting-Host: linda.teleport.com In-reply-to: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu's message of 7 Apr 1996 18:04:59 GMT X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.0.15 >>>>> "fdc" == Frank da Cruz writes: fdc> In article , fdc> Mark McConnell wrote: [snip] fdc> : I can't get Kermit to DIAL. It wouldn't dial from the command line the fdc> : cursor just blinks at the end of the phone number (^c exits normally). fdc> : So, I SET CARRIER OFF and used CONNECT to type in the AT command to fdc> : dial. The modem would not acknowledge ATZ, ATH OR +++. SHOW MODEM says fdc> : that the modem is ready. DSR is on CD is off (I turned it off) CTS is fdc> : on. My AT commands echo normally to the screen, but nothing happens (It fdc> : doesn't return an OK to any commands). The HANGUP command produces the fdc> : message Modem or network should have disconnected (something like that). fdc> : fdc> : At that point, the "14.4" light goes out on my modem (so, the modem is fdc> : connected, just not listening). BTW, this is inaccurate. It is a light called "TR" that goes off. I doubt that it makes any difference to the problem. [snip] fdc> So why would the modem receive characters, echo them properly, but ignore fdc> them? fdc> If Kermit were set to an interface speed that is not supported by the fdc> modem, this would explain why the modem is ignoring your commands. But it fdc> does not explain why the modem is echoing them correctly. So speed is fdc> probably not a factor. [snip] fdc> - Frank Your description of the symptoms associated with a mismatched speed points in the direction of the solution, apparently. I am using a ZOOM VFX V.32bis modem. I had attempted to SET SPE 28800. When I changed to 38400, the modem responded. Also works at 57600 and 14400, but not 28.8. Anyway, although I'm not happy with the ambiguous fix, I AM connected. Thanks for your help. If you have an idea from this what the complete fix would be, I'd appreciate the help. But the urgency is past. Mark ----- -- Mark McConnell =-=-=-=-=-=-=-mkmcconn@teleport.com-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= From news@columbia.edu Tue Apr 9 13:22:43 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA27268 for ; Tue, 9 Apr 1996 13:22:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id NAA04822 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 9 Apr 1996 13:22:37 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!uwm.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!newsfeed.acns.nwu.edu!ftpbox!mothost!newdelph.cig.mot.com!reindeer!kreidler From: kreidler@reindeer.cig.mot.com (Joe Kreidler) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Alpha Numeric Paging Date: 9 Apr 96 13:37:14 GMT Organization: Motorola Cellular Infrastructure Group Lines: 19 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: reindeer.cig.mot.com Does anyone have a script or program for DOS 4.0 that uses a modem to transmit an alpha numeric page to a paging system? I think there is a standard protocol for transmitting text to these systems which then tramsmit the text to a pager. Thanks in advance, Joe --------------------------------------------------------------- Joe Kreidler PHONE: 847-632-4656 Motorola Cellular FAX: 847-632-6519 Infrastructure Group (CIG) INTERNET: kreidler@cig.mot.com 1501 W Shure Drive Room 1-J21 Arlington Heights, IL USA 60004 network: an advanced version of "connect the dots." --------------------------------------------------------------- From news@columbia.edu Tue Apr 9 17:34:15 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA27519 for ; Tue, 9 Apr 1996 17:34:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id RAA10981 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 9 Apr 1996 17:34:10 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.mindlink.net!van-bc!unixg.ubc.ca!info.ucla.edu!galaxy.ucr.edu!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!newshub.nosc.mil!kimlan From: kimlan@nosc.mil (Kimlan Huynh) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Params setting for serial line (HP9000/700) Date: 9 Apr 1996 16:51:34 GMT Organization: NCCOSC RDT&E Division, San Diego, CA 92147 Lines: 33 Message-ID: <4ke4im$hqm@poisson.nosc.mil> NNTP-Posting-Host: starfish.nosc.mil X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Hi, I try to use C-Kermit to send data over the serial line on HP9000/700 but have no success. The parameters for the transmission are: serial line: /dev/ttya baud rate: 75 data size: 5 parity bit: none stop bit: 1 data type: baudot RTS/CTS: Y/N serial line: /dev/ttya baud rate: 2400 data size: 8 parity bit: none stop bit: 1 data type: ascii RTS/CTS: Y/Y Does Kermit support the data size of 5 ? What are the commands for setting the data size, stop bit, and RTS/CTS ? I did create the modem line using the port 0. Thanks for any hint, Kimlan Huynh From news@columbia.edu Tue Apr 9 17:34:15 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA27517 for ; Tue, 9 Apr 1996 17:34:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id RAA10977 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 9 Apr 1996 17:34:09 -0400 (EDT) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!usenet.cis.ufl.edu!caen!uwm.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!news.decus.org!eisner.decus.org!hoehne From: hoehne@eisner.decus.org (Dale Hoehne) Subject: MSkermit/VAX server connection X-Nntp-Posting-User: HOEHNE Lines: 10 Organization: DECUServe Message-ID: <1996Apr9.070036.1@eisner.decus.org> X-Nntp-Posting-Host: eisner.decus.org Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 12:00:36 GMT Using Mskermit 3.13 (Dos)as a terminal emulator, connecting via serial comport, under windows 3.1 to a Decserver200mc/VAX system. My problem is that (on occasion) the terminal server hangs in a disconnecting state when the user signs off of the vax a returns to their local windows programs. This hung state requires a system logout of the server port to clear the disconnecting state. Any ideas as to why this situation occurs? Solutions? TIA. Dale Hoehne hoehne@eisner.decus.org From news@columbia.edu Tue Apr 9 17:34:15 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA27521 for ; Tue, 9 Apr 1996 17:34:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id RAA10979 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 9 Apr 1996 17:34:09 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!news.sol.net!daily-planet.execpc.com!homer.alpha.net!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!blanket.mitre.org!linus.mitre.org!usenet From: Matthew Kielec Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Looking for Kermit binary Date: Tue, 09 Apr 1996 12:22:04 -0400 Organization: The MITRE Corporation Lines: 17 Message-ID: <316A8EAC.41C67EA6@mitre.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: skidmark.mitre.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (X11; I; SunOS 4.1.3_U1 sun4m) Help, I am currently testing some software tools against the kermit interface. At the moment, I have 5A-188 on our system. This one has a few bugs and such. I am looking for an older or newer version to test my tool against. I know about Columbia's ftp, but I don't want to have to pay for this, I just want something to test against. Any help is greatly appreciated. -- *--------------------------------------------------------------------* | Matthew Kielec The MITRE Corporation | | mkielec@mitre.org 202 Burlington Road | | (617) 271-2098 Mailstop B007 | | Bedford, MA 01730 | | | | "Don't drink and park, accidents cause people." | *--------------------------------------------------------------------* From news@columbia.edu Tue Apr 9 19:06:59 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA07753 for ; Tue, 9 Apr 1996 19:06:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id TAA13170 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 9 Apr 1996 19:06:55 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: modem won't respond to mskermit Date: 9 Apr 1996 23:06:47 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 44 Message-ID: <4keqi7$crf@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4k904b$mc2@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Mark McConnell wrote: : ... : Your description of the symptoms associated with a mismatched speed points : in the direction of the solution, apparently. I am using a ZOOM VFX V.32bis : modem. I had attempted to SET SPE 28800. When I changed to 38400, the : modem responded. Also works at 57600 and 14400, but not 28.8. : ... : Thanks for your help. If you have an idea from this what the complete : fix would be, I'd appreciate the help. But the urgency is past. : OK, so we have a new gotcha to add to the long list. Your modem does not respond to commands at an interface speed of 28800 bps. Either this is a bug in (or "restriction" of) the modem, or else it is a documented feature. If you read the documentation of some modems (e.g. certain Telebit models), it says that the modem can recognize the transmission speed and adjust to it automatically, as long as the speed is at or below a certain level, such as 19200 bps, even though the modem does support higher speeds. Check your Zoom manual (I happen to have a fax of a Xerox of a fragment of a Zoom manual, but my copy doesn't shed any light on this topic -- Come to think of it, though, 28800 is not a speed which one finds supported on most V.32bis modems -- it only came into widespread use with V.34.) Above the maximum "autobauding" speed, the modem can be set to recognize commands at (usually) one higher speed. There is a factory setting that specifies this speed, and it is usually 38400 or 57600 bps. Usually you can change the setting by using a modem command, such as by setting a particular S register (which one varies with modem make and model). The interesting piece of this puzzle is why the modem appeared to echo its commmands correctly at a speed which it did not recognize. My theory is that, when the modem is offline and not reading and explicitly echoing the characters that it receives, that it acts as a kind of electrical mirror, in effect shorting its receive and transmit wires. A similar phenomenon is noted sometimes on unoccupied (empty), unterminated COM ports. A telltale sign of this syndrome is that carriage return (the Enter key) is echoed without a linefeed. If the modem is reading and echoing characters, it will echo a carriage return as a carriage return AND a linefeed. So, for example, when the device is simply bouncing signals back to you, and you type AT, the result on your screen are the letters AT, with the cursor on A, not one line below it. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Apr 9 19:12:15 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA08639 for ; Tue, 9 Apr 1996 19:12:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id TAA13311 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 9 Apr 1996 19:12:10 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Alpha Numeric Paging Date: 9 Apr 1996 23:11:45 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 75 Message-ID: <4keqrh$cvm@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Joe Kreidler wrote: : Does anyone have a script or program for DOS 4.0 that uses a modem to : transmit an alpha numeric page to a paging system? I think there is a : standard protocol for transmitting text to these systems which then : tramsmit the text to a pager. : >From the Kermit FAQ (this covers both numeric and alphanumeric pagers): http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.html ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.txt 16 HOW DO I WRITE A SCRIPT TO DIAL A PAGER? A numeric pager is one that can display a number -- usually the number to be called back. The number is entered by pressing Touch-Tone keys on your telephone, usually terminated by pressing the "#" or "*" key. Numeric pagers are not modems. Therefore when you dial one, it does not return a carrier signal. Therefore, the dialing modem will not say "CONNECT" or turn on its carrier signal. Therefore, DIAL commands will not succeed. You can type commands to your modem manually for testing. For example: ATDT7654321,,,,,8765432#; In this example we Tone-dial the phone number "7654321", then we pause for ten seconds (",,,,,") to give the pager time to answer the call, then we send "8765432" to be displayed on the pager, then we send the "#" tone, and then we return to command mode (";"). The modem should respond "OK". The details will vary with your modem, your telephone service, and the pager you are dialing. Let's assume we have a Hayes 2400 or higher compatible modem. Here's a sample command file to call a numeric pager: define \%a 7654321 ; Number to call define \%b 8765432 ; Number to display on pager set port xxxxxxx ; Select the communication device set speed 2400 ; Any speed supported by the modem output AT\13 ; Make sure it's in command mode input 3 OK ; ... if fail stop 1 Can't get your modem's attention output ATDT\%a,,,,,\%b#;\13 ; Make the call input 3 OK ; ... if fail stop 1 Can't place call You can turn this into a macro that accepts the numbers as arguments. See "Using MS-DOS Kermit" or "Using C-Kermit" for additional script programming instructions, and your modem manual and the pager manual for details of calling and paging. Hint - the commas might cause trouble in a macro, so you'll either have to quote them or break the modem dialing command into two, separated by an appropriate PAUSE. Hint #2 - Some modems might also support a "wait for quiet answer" feature, e.g. by using the at-sign "@" in the dialing string: ATDT7654321@8765432#; What about alphanumeric pagers? In the magazine, DEC Professional, columnist Kevin G. Barkes printed a C-Kermit script for OpenVMS to dial an alphanumeric pager. It was in the February 1995 issue, pages 43-46. You can make it as fancy as you want, but basically there's nothing to it: 1. Set up the call. 2. Make sure that DIAL succeeds (Alpha pagers, unlike numeric pagers, will send carrier back). 3. Send the text. Use OUTPUT or TRANSMIT for this. 4. Hang up. Some alpha pagers use a protocol with framing, checksums, message numbers, etc. One such protocol is called TAP. You can do this sort of thing in Kermit script language too, using INPUT and OUTPUT together with Kermit's built-in string, logical, and arithmetic functions. Just obtain the protocol specification from your pager service provider and start coding. From news@columbia.edu Tue Apr 9 19:15:45 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA09038 for ; Tue, 9 Apr 1996 19:15:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id TAA13448 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 9 Apr 1996 19:15:42 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Params setting for serial line (HP9000/700) Date: 9 Apr 1996 23:15:35 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 18 Message-ID: <4ker2n$d46@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4ke4im$hqm@poisson.nosc.mil> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4ke4im$hqm@poisson.nosc.mil>, Kimlan Huynh wrote: : I try to use C-Kermit to send data over the serial line on HP9000/700 but : have no success. : : The parameters for the transmission are: : : serial line: /dev/ttya : baud rate: 75 : data size: 5 : parity bit: none : stop bit: 1 : data type: baudot : RTS/CTS: Y/N : Five-bit data and Baudot encoding/modulation are not supported by Kermit, sorry. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Apr 9 22:01:55 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA25835 for ; Tue, 9 Apr 1996 22:01:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id WAA17485 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 9 Apr 1996 22:01:52 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!munnari.OZ.AU!news.ecn.uoknor.edu!solace!nntp.uio.no!news.cais.net!news.jsums.edu!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!panix!not-for-mail From: kjr@panix.com (Kurt Rosenhagen) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: DOS Kermit under Win95 Date: 9 Apr 1996 11:55:38 -0400 Organization: panix Lines: 58 Message-ID: <4ke19q$m04@panix2.panix.com> References: <4kdtfj$19h@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> According to Frank da Cruz: >In article , Bud Huber wrote: >: I have run into a problem with Kermit ver 3.14 level 9, having now >: upgraded to Windows 95. Kermit works okay, but the problem is with the >: dialing. Under Win 3.1 I used a "dial" command to connect with my local >: POP. Included in the phone number of the dialing was a "70#,," (without >: the quotes) prefix to disable call waiting, per my local phone company >: service needs. >: >: Problem is that since upgrading to Win95, this same dialing string is >: not properly passed to the modem. Same Kermit 3.14, same hardware, same >: everything except for running at the DOS level of Win95. >: >MS-DOS Kermit is not recommended for Windows 95 or NT. We support it for >all versions of DOS, 2.0 through the latest, plus Windows 3.x, DesqView, >etc, with every conceivable combination of hardware, networking, memory >management configuration, and so on. > For now I am using MS-DOS Kermit under Windows 95 with no problems. I probably will switch to Kermit-95 when I've had time to evaluate the situation. For now, I'm experiencing no problems. One thing I have noticed, which I'd like to be sure is not a problem with Kermit-95: When doing a file transfer, if the window is in the background, the local kermit doesn't seem to be acknowleding; paacket retries occur till the window is brought into foreground or the packet retry limit is reached. The transfer will work in background using Kermit-95? And using MS-DOS Kermit, I'm stuck with keeping it in foreground, right? I'd been thinking Kermit 95 seemed a little steep at $54, but I did buy the C-Kermit book for $40 and was happy. Does the price for Kermit-95 include a similiar manual? >In Windows 95, MS-DOS Kermit might work on a serial connection and it >might not. You're on your own. It won't work on most kinds of network >connections, and definitely not for TCP/IP connections. That's why we >wrote Kermit 95: > > http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html > >Having said that, I tried your scenario locally and the call-waiting >suppression string (70#,,) was passed to the modem just fine (modem = USR >Courier, speed = 57600, flow = RTS/CTS), no matter whether I used the DIAL >command or typed it directly at the modem in CONNECT mode (same thing with >Kermit 95). > >But then when I went to exit from MS-DOS Kermit, the window froze and >Windows 95 threw up all sorts of alert boxes. The fix for this sort of >thing is to switch to Kermit 95. Then if you have problems we can help >you with them. > >- Frank -- __________________________________________________________________ | | | Name: Kurt Rosenhagen Email: kjr@panix.com | |__________________________________________________________________| From news@columbia.edu Tue Apr 9 22:01:56 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA25838 for ; Tue, 9 Apr 1996 22:01:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id WAA17489 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 9 Apr 1996 22:01:52 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!munnari.OZ.AU!news.ecn.uoknor.edu!qns3.qns.com!imci4!imci5!pull-feed.internetmci.com!news.internetMCI.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.tamu.edu!news.utdallas.edu!news.starnet.net!news.tulane.edu!usenet From: jmcbray@mailhost.tcs.tulane.edu (Jason F. McBrayer) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Good shareware Term program w/Kermit? Date: 9 Apr 1996 16:19:19 GMT Organization: Tulane University Lines: 31 Message-ID: <4ke2m7$bbs@rs10.tcs.tulane.edu> References: <4k8a3n$auv@huron.eel.ufl.edu> <4k919j$mnt@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <4katjv$sfu@huron.eel.ufl.edu> Reply-To: jmcbray@mailhost.tcs.tulane.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: dialup53.tcs.tulane.edu X-Newsreader: TRN for OS/2 In article <4katjv$sfu@huron.eel.ufl.edu>, David A. Johns wrote: >In <4k919j$mnt@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da >Cruz) wrote: ># Yes, there is some hope. Obviously, for reasons of survival, ># Windows 95 and NT are our top priority, but we have not ># forgotten about OS/2. > >Glad to hear that too. I'm really very pleased with OS/2 C-Kermit 5A(191). It would have been very easy for the Columbia folks to rest on their laurels with 5A(190) and say "okay, there's a working C-Kermit on OS/2, our job is done." Instead, they have done a lot to take advantage of OS/2's features and make OS/2 C-Kermit better than the lowest-common-denominator between OS/2, Unix, and VMS (ie, jump scrolling, full-screen font selection). Right now, it's in a sort of limbo between VIO and PM, since it won't run in a totally text OS/2 environment (eg tshell) but isn't really PM either, but I'm sure that will get worked out eventually. Here's a possibility for future development: using the free InterViews toolkit to make an X-enabled version of C-Kermit (X-kermit??) for UNIX and a PM-version for OS/2 using the same codebase. Maybe? I don't know if there's a VMS version of InterViews, though. -- --------------------------------------------------------+ Jason F. McBrayer jmcbray@mailhost.tcs.tulane.edu | Cosmic indifference sure is a drag. -- Akbar (or Jeff) | From news@columbia.edu Tue Apr 9 22:01:59 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA25831 for ; Tue, 9 Apr 1996 22:01:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id WAA17488 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 9 Apr 1996 22:01:52 -0400 (EDT) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!info.ucla.edu!galaxy.ucr.edu!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!newshub.nosc.mil!news!monkfish!kimlan From: kimlan@monkfish.nosc.mil (Kimlan Huynh) Subject: Params setting for serial line (HP9000/700) ? Message-ID: <1996Apr9.161530.28134@nosc.mil> Sender: news@nosc.mil Organization: NCCOSC RDT&E Division, San Diego, CA X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 16:15:30 GMT Lines: 32 Hi, I try to use Kermit to transmit data to a serial line on HP9000/700. Following are the parameters I need to set: serial line: /dev/ttya baud rate: 75 data size: 5 parity bit: none stop bit: 1 file type: baudot or ascii RTS/CTS: Y/N I was not able to set the data size, the stop bit and the RTS/CTS. What are the commands for setting these parameters ? I did create the modem line using the port 0. The second set of parameters are: serial line: /dev/ttya baud rate: 2400 data size: 8 parity bit: none stop bit: 1 file type: ascii RTS/CTS: Y/Y Thanks for any help, Kimlan Huynh NRaD San Diego From news@columbia.edu Wed Apr 10 03:45:33 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id DAA24909 for ; Wed, 10 Apr 1996 03:45:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id DAA26186 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 10 Apr 1996 03:45:26 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!guitar.sound.net!echo!jr From: jr@echo.sound.net (Rock N Roll) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Multiple telnet's Date: 9 Apr 1996 20:20:45 GMT Organization: Sound Advice Limited's Internet Access for KC Lines: 15 Message-ID: <4kegqt$jln@guitar.sound.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: echo.sound.net X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] After downgrading to Kermit for DOS 3.13, I am able to use Kermit with EtherPPP. The annoying part is if I have more than one telnet going, they're not running simultaneously. When I switch from one session to another, all the output that was sent to the screen of the inactive session suddenly appears all at once like it was buffered. Is there a way around this or is it just a limitation of a non-multitasking OS? -- ---\ --- | \ |R| "Emptiness is loneliness |R|\ \ |O| And loneliness is cleanliness |O| \ \ |L| And cleanliness is godliness |C| \ \|L| And God is empty, just like me" |K| \ | --- \--- From news@columbia.edu Wed Apr 10 04:09:57 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id EAA26989 for ; Wed, 10 Apr 1996 04:09:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id EAA26631 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 10 Apr 1996 04:09:53 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!sgigate.sgi.com!sgiblab!daver!news.walltech.com!samba.rahul.net!rahul.net!a2i!dold.a2i!dold From: Clarence Dold Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: DOS Kermit under Win95 Date: 9 Apr 1996 19:33:55 GMT Organization: a2i network Lines: 19 Message-ID: <4kee33$382@samba.rahul.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: foxtrot.rahul.net NNTP-Posting-User: dold X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Bud Huber (bhuber@netcom.com) wrote: : I have run into a problem with Kermit ver 3.14 level 9, having now : upgraded to Windows 95. Kermit works okay, but the problem is with the : dialing. Under Win 3.1 I used a "dial" command to connect with my local : POP. Included in the phone number of the dialing was a "70#,," (without : the quotes) prefix to disable call waiting, per my local phone company : service needs. I ran MSKermit 3.14 under Win95 for a few months. I now have Kermit-95, but I had no dialing problems with MSKermit. Does eliminating the call waiting code allow dialing to proceed? Do you have any comm successfully using the port? How is it failing? -- --- Clarence A Dold - dold@rahul.net - Pope Valley & Napa CA. From news@columbia.edu Wed Apr 10 05:04:18 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id FAA00986 for ; Wed, 10 Apr 1996 05:04:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id FAA27406 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 10 Apr 1996 05:04:16 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!freenet4.afn.org!djohns From: djohns@freenet4.afn.org (David A. Johns) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Good shareware Term program w/Kermit? Date: 9 Apr 1996 23:28:46 GMT Lines: 34 Message-ID: <4kerre$rhb@huron.eel.ufl.edu> References: <4k8a3n$auv@huron.eel.ufl.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: freenet4.afn.org X-Newsreader: NewsWerthy 1.71 (unregistered) In <4k8a3n$auv@huron.eel.ufl.edu>, djohns@freenet4.afn.org (David A. Johns) wrote: # [*] Although if it came to that, I'd rather go with OS/2 and # use C-Kermit. Is there any hope that C-Kermit will ever be # rewritten as a modern application? In e-mail Jeff Altman took exception to my implication here that C-Kermit for OS/2 was not a modern application. I admit to having spoken out of ignorance, assuming that C-K was C-K, and the OS/2 version would look like the C-K I was used to in unix and VMS shell accounts. He suggested that I check out the promo on the Columbia web page. Well, it seems that C-Kermit for OS/2 has an internal dialing directory, and it also has a scrollback buffer with search, mark, and copy, presumably inherited from OS/2. These are Good Things (tm). But I missed any mention of an internal configuration program (essential for the average user, IMO), a plain-text log file, or script I/O piped through the active emulation (essential for script writing) -- all of which I would consider basic "modern" features. The promo was short, though, and I couldn't find any more complete docs, even in the download package. Maybe Mr. Altman could fill us in on how the OS/2 C-Kermit interface differs from that of MS-Kermit? By the way, let me make it perfectly clear, as I believe I have in previous messages, that I am in no way criticizing the *functionality* of any version of Columbia Kermit. There is no question whatsoever that *that* is cutting edge. The only issue is why more people don't use Kermit, particularly MS-Kermit, as their primary terminal program. David Johns From news@columbia.edu Wed Apr 10 06:10:47 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA05778 for ; Wed, 10 Apr 1996 06:10:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id GAA29135 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 10 Apr 1996 06:10:42 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!netaxs.com!news2.cais.net!news.cais.net!news.jsums.edu!gatech!udel!itchy.ee.udel.edu!kelleher From: kelleher@itchy.ee.udel.edu (Jason D. Kelleher) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: HELP: need return status of system command Date: 9 Apr 1996 21:16:04 GMT Organization: University of Delaware Lines: 22 Distribution: usa Message-ID: <4kek2k$918@louie.udel.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: itchy.ee.udel.edu Ok, here's my problem. After I download a data file with I need to verify that it is complete. The data file has a trailer, so I tried the following: # Check the validity of the file. run grep -s "TRAILER: \v(ndate)" \%f xif success {echo \%f appears valid.} - else {echo Error: \%f appears invalid., goto error} The xif seems to just test if the "run" succeeded. I want the return status of the grep. Any suggestions? Hopefully someone can tell me if this is possible, the manual leaves a bit to be desired when discussing the "run" command. (Or, the run command leaves a bit to be desired... :) --- Jason D. Kelleher Systems Administrator jasonk@susq.com Susquehanna Investment Group kelleher@eecis.udel.edu I work for 'em, don't speak for 'em. From news@columbia.edu Wed Apr 10 09:59:53 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA03132 for ; Wed, 10 Apr 1996 09:59:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id JAA21994 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 10 Apr 1996 09:59:50 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!netaxs.com!news2.cais.net!news.cais.net!news.jsums.edu!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!uwm.edu!psuvax1!news.math.psu.edu!news.cac.psu.edu!psuvm!hdk Organization: Penn State University Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 16:20:16 EDT From: "H. D. Knoble" Message-ID: <96100.162016HDK@psuvm.psu.edu> Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: DOS Kermit under Win95 References: Lines: 29 In article , bhuber@netcom.com (Bud Huber) says: >I have run into a problem with Kermit ver 3.14 level 9, having now >upgraded to Windows 95. Kermit works okay, but the problem is with the >dialing. Under Win 3.1 I used a "dial" command to connect with my local >POP. Included in the phone number of the dialing was a "70#,," (without >the quotes) prefix to disable call waiting, per my local phone company >service needs. >Problem is that since upgrading to Win95, this same dialing string is not >properly passed to the modem. Same Kermit 3.14, same hardware, same >everything except for running at the DOS level of Win95. >Ideas? Solution? This is not a problem with OS/2. One can run C-Kermit for OS/2; or in a DOS box or WIN-OS2 run MS-Kermit 3.14. If Windows 95 cannot run as well-behaved DOS COM program like MS-Kermit 3.14, then that's a Windows 95 problem, not a MS-Kermit one. (We licensed several copies of Kermit-95 for Windows 95 and it also works well). If any modem command happened to include Kermit reserved character(s), the Kermits that I used to know about allow an escape character to get around this in modem commands; e.g., an MS-Kermit modem initialization string may have to be: AT \92N4 to get the modem to issue: AT \N4 . | | + where these characters are Backslash+ In your case perhaps something like: AT 70\35,nnn-nnnn may work with MS-Kermit (Don't forget to add at least one comma after the cancel Call Waiting code so the phone system waits for cancel Call Waiting to "take" before the modem begins to dial the phone number. From news@columbia.edu Wed Apr 10 10:44:49 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA07830 for ; Wed, 10 Apr 1996 10:44:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA23229 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 10 Apr 1996 10:44:43 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Good shareware Term program w/Kermit? Date: 10 Apr 1996 14:44:35 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 64 Message-ID: <4kghgj$mlo@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4k8a3n$auv@huron.eel.ufl.edu> <4kerre$rhb@huron.eel.ufl.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4kerre$rhb@huron.eel.ufl.edu>, David A. Johns wrote: : In e-mail Jeff Altman took exception to my implication here that : C-Kermit for OS/2 was not a modern application. I admit to having : spoken out of ignorance, assuming that C-K was C-K, and the OS/2 : version would look like the C-K I was used to in unix and VMS shell : accounts. He suggested that I check out the promo on the Columbia web : page. : : Well, it seems that C-Kermit for OS/2 has an internal dialing : directory, and it also has a scrollback buffer with search, mark, and : copy, presumably inherited from OS/2. These are Good Things (tm). No. OS/2 C-Kermit's terminal emulator does not "inherit" anything from OS/2. C-Kermit uses a virtual terminal interface that allows Keyboard and Mouse based copy/paste to be configured by the user any way they wish. The System Clipboard is used to store the copied text so that it may be shared with other apps. : But I missed any mention of an internal configuration program : (essential for the average user, IMO), OS/2 C-Kermit's install script configures the program for most use. : a plain-text log file, or A post terminal processing log file can easily be created with one of the many Print/File options. : script I/O piped through the active emulation (essential for script : writing) -- all of which I would consider basic "modern" features. This is not available in 5a(191). It is already implemented in the next release. : The promo was short, though, and I couldn't find any more complete : docs, even in the download package. Maybe Mr. Altman could fill us in : on how the OS/2 C-Kermit interface differs from that of MS-Kermit? OS/2 C-Kermit is C-Kermit. The manual is "Using C-Kermit". The program comes with an extensive CKERMIT.INF doc file which details all of the OS/2 specific interfaces for networking, script programming, REXX, Work Place Shell, VT220/ANSI terminal emulation, SLIP/PPP interfaces, Extended Attribute file transfers, and much more. : By the way, let me make it perfectly clear, as I believe I have in : previous messages, that I am in no way criticizing the *functionality* : of any version of Columbia Kermit. There is no question whatsoever : that *that* is cutting edge. The only issue is why more people don't : use Kermit, particularly MS-Kermit, as their primary terminal program. The primary reason that I believe more people don't use Kermit products is that they are jack of all trades products. They don't make an attempt to simplify the concepts of communication because once you do, you have to compromise functionality. The resulting complexity intimidates many users. Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 * 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 * (212) 854-1344 C-Kermit 5A(191) for OS/2: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cko191.html Kermit 95 for Windows 95 : http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html From news@columbia.edu Wed Apr 10 11:31:22 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA13048 for ; Wed, 10 Apr 1996 11:31:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA24616 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 10 Apr 1996 11:31:17 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!netaxs.com!mhv.net!news.sprintlink.net!new-news.sprintlink.net!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Multiple telnet's Message-ID: <1996Apr9.180145.77944@cc.usu.edu> Date: 9 Apr 96 18:01:45 MDT References: <4kegqt$jln@guitar.sound.net> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 22 In article <4kegqt$jln@guitar.sound.net>, jr@echo.sound.net (Rock N Roll) writes: > After downgrading to Kermit for DOS 3.13, I am able to use Kermit with > EtherPPP. The annoying part is if I have more than one telnet going, > they're not running simultaneously. When I switch from one session to > another, all the output that was sent to the screen of the inactive session > suddenly appears all at once like it was buffered. Is there a way around > this or is it just a limitation of a non-multitasking OS? -------------- You are pretty close in your guess. MS-DOS Kermit is written for DOS. DOS is single tasking with no notion of multiple tasking. Proper terminal emulation requires not only state machines in software but also the physical details of the underlying hardware to constrain those state machine results. In short, it has to run to the real thing or it doesn't run. The buffering you see is in the TCP/IP stack, 4KB worth plus whatever the other side has queued up which can be delivered rapidly. I use MSK heavily (no surprize), and very often with two or more Telnet sessions at once (such as at this minute with Email from Frank da Cruz in session two and Unix activities in session three). The point is I don't want items occuring in the other sessions that I can't see when I wish to see them, and the scheme works well for me. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Wed Apr 10 11:40:45 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA14236 for ; Wed, 10 Apr 1996 11:40:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA24802 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 10 Apr 1996 11:40:38 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: HELP: need return status of system command Date: 10 Apr 1996 15:40:29 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 23 Distribution: usa Message-ID: <4kgkpd$o6t@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4kek2k$918@louie.udel.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4kek2k$918@louie.udel.edu>, Jason D. Kelleher wrote: : : Ok, here's my problem. After I download a data file with I need to : verify that it is complete. The data file has a trailer, so I tried : the following: : : # Check the validity of the file. : run grep -s "TRAILER: \v(ndate)" \%f : xif success {echo \%f appears valid.} - : else {echo Error: \%f appears invalid., goto error} : : The xif seems to just test if the "run" succeeded. I want the : return status of the grep. Any suggestions? Hopefully someone can : tell me if this is possible, the manual leaves a bit to be desired when : discussing the "run" command. (Or, the run command leaves a bit to be : desired... :) : This did not work in C-Kermit 5A(190) and earlier. Version 5B(192), now under development, fixes the problem, at least in most operating systems (including UNIX). - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Apr 10 12:04:10 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA16923 for ; Wed, 10 Apr 1996 12:04:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id MAA25287 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 10 Apr 1996 12:04:06 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: DOS Kermit under Win95 Date: 10 Apr 1996 16:03:56 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 22 Message-ID: <4kgm5c$om2@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4kdtfj$19h@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <4ke19q$m04@panix2.panix.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4ke19q$m04@panix2.panix.com>, Kurt Rosenhagen wrote: : For now I am using MS-DOS Kermit under Windows 95 with no problems. I : probably will switch to Kermit-95 when I've had time to evaluate the : situation. For now, I'm experiencing no problems. One thing I have noticed, : which I'd like to be sure is not a problem with Kermit-95: When doing a : file transfer, if the window is in the background, the local kermit doesn't : seem to be acknowleding; paacket retries occur till the window is brought : into foreground or the packet retry limit is reached. The transfer will : work in background using Kermit-95? And using MS-DOS Kermit, I'm stuck with : keeping it in foreground, right? : Right on both counts. : I'd been thinking Kermit 95 seemed a little steep at $54, but I did buy the : C-Kermit book for $40 and was happy. Does the price for Kermit-95 include : a similiar manual? : It includes a new Kermit 95 user manual (thin), plus a copy of "Using C-Kermit" as the technical reference manual. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Apr 10 12:11:10 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA17893 for ; Wed, 10 Apr 1996 12:11:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id MAA25438 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 10 Apr 1996 12:10:59 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MSkermit/VAX server connection Message-ID: <1996Apr9.201619.77952@cc.usu.edu> Date: 9 Apr 96 20:16:19 MDT References: <1996Apr9.070036.1@eisner.decus.org> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 16 In article <1996Apr9.070036.1@eisner.decus.org>, hoehne@eisner.decus.org (Dale Hoehne) writes: > Using Mskermit 3.13 (Dos)as a terminal emulator, connecting via serial > comport, under windows 3.1 to a Decserver200mc/VAX system. My problem > is that (on occasion) the terminal server hangs in a disconnecting state > when the user signs off of the vax a returns to their local windows > programs. This hung state requires a system logout of the server > port to clear the disconnecting state. Any ideas as to why this > situation occurs? Solutions? TIA. > > Dale Hoehne hoehne@eisner.decus.org ---------- Does the terminal server require hardware handshaking? If so you need to configure the Windows comms driver to support it. That is about the only piece of two way agreement between a serial device and the terminal server; there is no packet style protocol. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Wed Apr 10 13:06:19 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA24400 for ; Wed, 10 Apr 1996 13:06:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA26970 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 10 Apr 1996 13:06:11 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!munnari.OZ.AU!news.ecn.uoknor.edu!qns3.qns.com!imci4!newsfeed.internetmci.com!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!dish.news.pipex.net!pipex!news00.sunet.se!sunic!news99.sunet.se!news.funet.fi!news.joensuu.fi!news From: hounsell@cc.joensuu.fi (Paul Hounsell) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: modem won't respond to mskermit. Another problem: will not work above 1200 Date: 10 Apr 1996 07:13:04 GMT Organization: Joensuu University language Center Lines: 17 Message-ID: <4kfn20$ifq@cc.joensuu.fi> References: <4k904b$mc2@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <4keqi7$crf@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: kike6.joensuu.fi Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.7 Hi all Sorry to change thread but I have been having some weird problems with an "old" V.FAST/V.32bis modem I was given. Of course no manuals brand-name or anything like that. (If there is is a sock monster that eats your socks from the washing machine then there must be a computer manual monster that devours every manual in sight. 8-( ) The modem is an external modem and I bought a full RS232 cable to connect to it. I can connect with trouble at 1200 but when I try any higher speed the modem refuses to connect. I am trying to connect to a 9600 baud modem and it does not help to set the speed. The host modem answers (lots of noise) and then kermit fails with a "NO CARRIER" message. Should I use a null modem cable instead? Any help will be appreciated. TIA Paul From news@columbia.edu Wed Apr 10 13:50:26 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA29644 for ; Wed, 10 Apr 1996 13:50:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA28002 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 10 Apr 1996 13:50:15 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!netaxs.com!news2.cais.net!news.cais.net!news.jsums.edu!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Good shareware Term program w/Kermit? Message-ID: <1996Apr9.204620.77954@cc.usu.edu> Date: 9 Apr 96 20:46:20 MDT References: <4katjv$sfu@huron.eel.ufl.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 30 In article <4katjv$sfu@huron.eel.ufl.edu>, djohns@freenet4.afn.org (David A. Johns) writes: > In <4k919j$mnt@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da > Cruz) wrote: > > # Meanwhile, I think I speak for everybody in acknowledging the > # debt of gratitude that is owed by the world's millions (yes, > # millions) of MS-DOS Kermit users to Professor Joe Doupnik of > # Utah State University for his continued and unflagging > # generosity, skill, and dedication in developing and supporting > # this program over the past ten (yes, ten) years since he took > # it over. > > Yes, if I remember correctly from the docs of the earliest MSK I used > (around 1987), Joe was credited with volunteering to rewrite > portions of the MSK code. Some volunteer effort! I hope he gets > community service brownie points at USU. There was this rabbit hole just sitting there quietly, minding its own business, and I stepped into it. No end of consequences, as Alice is fond of reminding us. The powers that be at USU take a dim to dark view of these activities. Points are definitely not scored. Let's say that Kermit is one of the more misunderstood projects and products. Were the world run by such views we would be still eating off the ground with our hands, as we did for a very long time after the invention of marshmellow sticks, or spears as I think they later became known. (Sorry, it's been a very long day, and yet I've gotten some new features to finally work in the MSK parser despite everything else happening at nearly the same time.) Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Wed Apr 10 14:59:17 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA07482 for ; Wed, 10 Apr 1996 14:59:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA29827 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 10 Apr 1996 14:59:11 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!news.dacom.co.kr!usenet.seri.re.kr!news.cais.net!news.vbc.net!samba.rahul.net!rahul.net!a2i!dold.a2i!dold From: Clarence Dold Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: modem won't respond to mskermit Date: 10 Apr 1996 01:30:16 GMT Organization: a2i network Lines: 50 Message-ID: <4kf2v8$89p@samba.rahul.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: foxtrot.rahul.net NNTP-Posting-User: dold X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] : >>>>> "fdc" == Frank da Cruz writes: : fdc> If Kermit were set to an interface speed that is not supported by the : fdc> modem, this would explain why the modem is ignoring your commands. But i Frank, I don't think the modem cares as much as the serial port does. Mark McConnell (mkmcconn@teleport.com) wrote: : Your description of the symptoms associated with a mismatched speed points : in the direction of the solution, apparently. I am using a ZOOM VFX V.32bis : modem. I had attempted to SET SPE 28800. When I changed to 38400, the : modem responded. Also works at 57600 and 14400, but not 28.8. : Anyway, although I'm not happy with the ambiguous fix, I AM connected. Mark, this isn't an ambiguous fix. Many serial ports will not operate at the new, odd speeds that modems have chosen. Standard serial port speeds have always been multiples of the lower speeds. 300 1200 2400 4800 9600 19200 38400 57600 115200 have all been standard speeds, with the ones above 19200 being rare in older systems. Modems that operate at 12000, 14400, 21600, 26400, 28800 are based on the technology of the analog phone line, and do not correspond directly to the serial port interface speeds. I have several Intel 144I and 144E, all have run or are running MS-Kermit, and all have been quite happy, at standard serial port interface speeds. I run 38400 on a DOS machine, and 19200 on my UNIX machine to Intel modems currently. Neither machine will recognize a setting of 14400 (I never tried 28800). Kermit will set the proper bits to set the speed to that rate, but the serial port is likely sending _no_ intelligible data to the modem. The echo that you see is not an intelligent response from the modem. If an Intel (GVC) modem won't give you a status display with AT&V, it isn't working. With compressing modems (14.4 or 28.8), you want your serial port set faster than the connect speed. How much higher will produce any effective results depends on your environment, and the data being transferred. If you transfer primarily .zip files, there is probably no value to be seen with a speed greater than 19.2, which is enough to keep a 14.4 modem running at its maximum transfer speed of 1660 characters per second. -- --- Clarence A Dold - dold@rahul.net - Pope Valley & Napa CA. From news@columbia.edu Wed Apr 10 18:06:53 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA29548 for ; Wed, 10 Apr 1996 18:06:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA04247 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 10 Apr 1996 18:06:43 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: modem won't respond to mskermit Date: 10 Apr 1996 22:06:29 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 41 Message-ID: <4khbd5$44f@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4kf2v8$89p@samba.rahul.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4kf2v8$89p@samba.rahul.net>, Clarence Dold wrote: : : >>>>> "fdc" == Frank da Cruz writes: : : : fdc> If Kermit were set to an interface speed that is not supported by the : : fdc> modem, this would explain why the modem is ignoring your commands. .. : : Frank, I don't think the modem cares as much as the serial port does. : Right -- I should have prefaced all that with "assuming your serial port supports 28800 (or 14400) as a speed..." However, in theory, and I believe also in practice, Kermit won't let you set the serial port to a speed it does not support. MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 handles 14400 and 28800 bps just fine, as far as I know, by setting the UART's hardware "baud rate divisor" register to the appropriate value. C-Kermit depends on the underlying operating system, hardware, and drivers to do the same, and to report back accurately whether they have, in fact, done so. I grant you, there are cases where the underlying services fail to do these things properly so, yes, this too can be a consideration. : With compressing modems (14.4 or 28.8), you want your serial port set : faster than the connect speed. How much higher will produce any : effective results depends on your environment, and the data being : transferred. : Right, this is standard advice. I should not take it for granted that everybody knows this by now. Plus all the rest regarding flow-control, etc etc etc. : If you transfer primarily .zip files, there is probably : no value to be seen with a speed greater than 19.2, which is enough to : keep a 14.4 modem running at its maximum transfer speed of 1660 : characters per second. : True, but people who also use Kermit for terminal emulation will want to use the highest possible serial speed, because V.42bis compression tends to be very effective for plain text, which is generally what goes back and forth in terminal mode. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Apr 10 19:04:15 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA06546 for ; Wed, 10 Apr 1996 19:04:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA05470 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 10 Apr 1996 19:04:09 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!hamblin.math.byu.edu!acs2.byu.edu!news.cuny.edu!caen!newsxfer2.itd.umich.edu!gatech!news.mathworks.com!udel!itchy.ee.udel.edu!kelleher From: kelleher@itchy.ee.udel.edu (Jason D. Kelleher) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: HELP: need return status of system command Date: 10 Apr 1996 16:53:30 GMT Organization: University of Delaware Lines: 23 Distribution: usa Message-ID: <4kgp2a$jve@louie.udel.edu> References: <4kek2k$918@louie.udel.edu> <4kgkpd$o6t@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: itchy.ee.udel.edu In article <4kgkpd$o6t@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, Frank da Cruz wrote: >In article <4kek2k$918@louie.udel.edu>, >Jason D. Kelleher wrote: [my ramblings deleted] >This did not work in C-Kermit 5A(190) and earlier. Version 5B(192), now >under development, fixes the problem, at least in most operating systems >(including UNIX). > >- Frank Many thanks for the quick response! Now, time for my next question.... Any ideas when version 5B will be available? (Don't mean to rush you, and I'd be happy to beta test.) --- Jason D. Kelleher Systems Administrator jasonk@susq.com Susquehanna Investment Group kelleher@eecis.udel.edu I work for 'em, don't speak for 'em. From news@columbia.edu Wed Apr 10 22:19:32 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA23505 for ; Wed, 10 Apr 1996 22:19:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id WAA09936 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 10 Apr 1996 22:19:28 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!nntp.inet.fi!news.funet.fi!news.joensuu.fi!news From: hounsell@cc.joensuu.fi (Paul Hounsell) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Scripting question: How to capture the whole string from "input" query? Date: 10 Apr 1996 11:14:14 GMT Organization: Joensuu University language Center Lines: 46 Message-ID: <4kg566$82r@cc.joensuu.fi> NNTP-Posting-Host: kike6.joensuu.fi Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.7 Hi all I am trying to automate a procedure of connecting to one of our old printers which is on a serial port of a terminal server. Let give you give a quick idea of the process. When the user wants to connect to the printer say PRINTER1, they: 1: Start Kermit 2: Press "c" and a couple of ENTERs to connect to the terminal server. 3: type "connect PRINTER1" If they are the only person using the printer then they are connected. However there are a couple of other possiblities. 1. they are already connect to the printer 2. they are connect to another computer. 2a. they are connected to another computer at the wrong speed 3. somebody else is connected to the printer 4. the cable or server is not working. Most of the things I have work out but I can not figure out how to capture the whole line containing "PRINTER1". I need to do this for problem 1 in particular. But I can use the same solution for the other problems. What I do is issue the command "show sessions" and this command will show all sessions the user is connected to plus the session number. I can find out if the user is connected to the printer with the "input" command and if I could pass that line to the substring function then I could directly connect the printer instead of trying all sessions until the server says "connected to PRINTER1". Oh yes is there anyway to suppress all this output from the screen. Many of my users are very computer phobic and I would like not to bother them with unnecessary information. TIA Paul -- ======================================================================= Paul Hounsell |disclaimer: Joensuu University Language Center | Of course I have opinions, I am Joensuu Finland | just not responsible for them hounsell@cc.joensuu.fi | and neither is anybody else! ======================================================================= From news@columbia.edu Wed Apr 10 22:19:40 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA23504 for ; Wed, 10 Apr 1996 22:19:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id WAA09938 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 10 Apr 1996 22:19:28 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!daily-planet.execpc.com!news.sol.net!uniserve!van-bc!unixg.ubc.ca!rover.ucs.ualberta.ca!tribune.usask.ca!canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca!news From: walid@InfoMag.mb.ca (Walid Chamma) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Setting Modem S-registers Date: 10 Apr 1996 22:04:16 GMT Organization: InfoMagnetics Technologies Corp., Winnipeg, MB, CANADA Lines: 30 Distribution: world Message-ID: <4khb90$7at@canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca> Reply-To: walid@InfoMag.mb.ca NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.163.1.172 Greetings, Is it possible to set the S-registers of a modem by running kermit from a line command on a UNIX machine ( non-interactive). So that the command can be executed at specific time. e.g. answer after 5 rings ( S0=05 ) Thank you. Walid ----- ======================================== Walid Chamma Research Engineer Applied Electromagnetics Division InfoMagnetics Technologies Corporation 11-1329 Niakwa Road East Winnipeg, Manitoba CANADA R2J 3T4 Fax: (204) 989-4640 e-mail: walid@InfoMag.mb.ca ======================================== From news@columbia.edu Thu Apr 11 00:59:09 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA07635 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 1996 00:59:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id AAA14299 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 11 Apr 1996 00:59:05 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!netaxs.com!news2.cais.net!news.cais.net!news.jsums.edu!gatech!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!freenet4.afn.org!djohns From: djohns@freenet4.afn.org (David A. Johns) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Good shareware Term program w/Kermit? Date: 10 Apr 1996 13:16:49 GMT Lines: 19 Message-ID: <4kgcc1$38q@huron.eel.ufl.edu> References: <4katjv$sfu@huron.eel.ufl.edu> <1996Apr9.204620.77954@cc.usu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: freenet4.afn.org X-Newsreader: NewsWerthy 1.71 (unregistered) In <1996Apr9.204620.77954@cc.usu.edu>, jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) wrote: # There was this rabbit hole just sitting there quietly, # minding its own business, and I stepped into it. No end of # consequences, as Alice is fond of reminding us. # # The powers that be at USU take a dim to dark view of # these activities. Points are definitely not scored. Let's say # that Kermit is one of the more misunderstood projects and # products. Were the world run by such views we would be still # eating off the ground with our hands, as we did for a very # long time after the invention of marshmellow sticks, or spears # as I think they later became known. There must be a secret school for administrators where they learn such attitudes. They all seem to have them, yet they can't possibly arise from normal human interaction. David Johns From news@columbia.edu Thu Apr 11 11:03:09 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA06145 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 1996 11:03:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA13974 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 11 Apr 1996 11:02:57 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Scripting question: How to capture the whole string from "input" query? Date: 11 Apr 1996 15:02:48 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 42 Message-ID: <4kj6uo$dke@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4kg566$82r@cc.joensuu.fi> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4kg566$82r@cc.joensuu.fi>, Paul Hounsell wrote: : : I am trying to automate a procedure of connecting to one of : our old printers which is on a serial port of a terminal server. Let give : you give a quick idea of the process. When the user wants to connect to : the printer say PRINTER1, they: : : 1: Start Kermit : 2: Press "c" and a couple of ENTERs to connect to the : terminal server. : 3: type "connect PRINTER1" : : If they are the only person using the printer then they : are connected. However there are a couple of other possiblities. : : 1. they are already connect to the printer : 2. they are connect to another computer. : 2a. they are connected to another computer at the wrong speed : 3. somebody else is connected to the printer : 4. the cable or server is not working. : : Most of the things I have work out but I can not figure out : how to capture the whole line containing "PRINTER1". I need to do this : for problem 1 in particular. : Look on pages 280-281 of "Using C-Kermit". The variable containing the most recent 256 bytes read by INPUT commands is \v(input). You can clear it with CLEAR INPUT. There is also a new MINPUT command, documented in the ckcker.upd (ckermit.upd) file that comes with C-Kermit 5A(190), that lets you look for several strings at the same time. : Oh yes is there anyway to suppress all this output from the screen. : Many of my users are very computer phobic and I would like not to bother : them with unnecessary information. : Look on page 281 of "Using C-Kermit", read about the SET INPUT command. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Apr 11 11:11:35 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA07193 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 1996 11:11:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA14231 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 11 Apr 1996 11:11:31 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: HELP: need return status of system command Date: 11 Apr 1996 15:11:05 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 24 Distribution: usa Message-ID: <4kj7e9$dsb@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4kek2k$918@louie.udel.edu> <4kgkpd$o6t@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <4kgp2a$jve@louie.udel.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4kgp2a$jve@louie.udel.edu>, Jason D. Kelleher wrote: : In article <4kgkpd$o6t@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, : Frank da Cruz wrote: : ... : >This did not work in C-Kermit 5A(190) and earlier. Version 5B(192), now : >under development, fixes the problem, at least in most operating systems : >(including UNIX). : > : Many thanks for the quick response! Now, time for my next : question.... Any ideas when version 5B will be available? (Don't mean : to rush you, and I'd be happy to beta test.) : There will be a new source set available in the kermit/test area within a few days, barring unforeseen circumstances. There have been enormous changes recently, and so it will need a lot of testing on many platforms. Anybody who wants to receive direct notifications of new edits, let me know. The more testers the better, on all varieties of UNIX, plus VMS, AOS/VS, and Stratus VOS. If we're lucky, maybe even the Macintosh too. Then when it seems to be stable enough, I'll announce an open Beta testing period on this newsgroup. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Apr 11 11:29:15 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA09200 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 1996 11:29:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA14637 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 11 Apr 1996 11:29:09 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Setting Modem S-registers Date: 11 Apr 1996 15:28:56 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 48 Message-ID: <4kj8fo$e95@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4khb90$7at@canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4khb90$7at@canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca>, Walid Chamma wrote: : : Is it possible to set the S-registers of a modem by running kermit : from a line command on a UNIX machine ( non-interactive). : So that the command can be executed at specific time. : : e.g. answer after 5 rings ( S0=05 ) : As explained on page 315 of the user manual, "Using C-Kermit", you can put one or more interactive-mode commands on the C-Kermit command line using the -C (uppercase) option, e.g.: kermit -C "command, command, command, ..." so in your case: kermit -C "set line /dev/blah, set speed 19200, output ats0=5\13" And now a word from your sponsor (not directed at this particular poster): A great many of the questions that are posted to this newsgroup are already answered in the published manuals. If you purchase the appropriate manual: . You won't need to post your question here, if it is already answered there, and therefore you won't have to wait several days to get an answer, and you won't have to suffer through the "please purchase the manual" lecture :-) . You'll be helping to support the Kermit Project, since sales of these manuals is what pays for the software you are using. . You'll be freeing up the time of the developers and support people to work on new releases, fix bugs, and troubleshoot problems that are not covered in the manuals, so that new and better releases of the software and updated editions of the manuals are available to you in a more timely fashion. . You might enjoy it :-) To find out what manuals are available and how to get them: . On the Web: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/manuals.html . By ftp: kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/e, file booklist.doc (or .ps if you prefer PostScript). - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Apr 11 12:39:05 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA17247 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 1996 12:39:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA16327 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 11 Apr 1996 12:38:57 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!csn!news-1.csn.net!decwrl!amd!netcomsv!uu4news.netcom.com!compat!coopnews.coop.net!news.den.mmc.com!news.vf.mmc.com!cnn.motown.ge.com!unilab!rfullert From: rfullert@unilab (Robert Keith Fullerton) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Good shareware Term program w/Kermit? Date: 10 Apr 1996 14:48:41 GMT Organization: Martin Marietta, Moorestown NJ Lines: 49 Message-ID: <4kgho9$cep@cnn.motown.lmco.com> References: <1996Apr9.204620.77954@cc.usu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: unilab.motown.ge.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9] Joe Doupnik (jrd@cc.usu.edu) wrote: : In article <4katjv$sfu@huron.eel.ufl.edu>, djohns@freenet4.afn.org (David A. Johns) writes: : > In <4k919j$mnt@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da : > Cruz) wrote: : : > : > # Meanwhile, I think I speak for everybody in acknowledging the : > # debt of gratitude that is owed by the world's millions (yes, : > # millions) of MS-DOS Kermit users to Professor Joe Doupnik of : > # Utah State University for his continued and unflagging : > # generosity, skill, and dedication in developing and supporting : > # this program over the past ten (yes, ten) years since he took : > # it over. : > : > Yes, if I remember correctly from the docs of the earliest MSK I used : > (around 1987), Joe was credited with volunteering to rewrite : > portions of the MSK code. Some volunteer effort! I hope he gets : > community service brownie points at USU. : There was this rabbit hole just sitting there quietly, minding : its own business, and I stepped into it. No end of consequences, as Alice : is fond of reminding us. : The powers that be at USU take a dim to dark view of these : activities. Points are definitely not scored. Let's say that Kermit is : one of the more misunderstood projects and products. Were the world run : by such views we would be still eating off the ground with our hands, : as we did for a very long time after the invention of marshmellow sticks, : or spears as I think they later became known. (Sorry, it's been a very : long day, and yet I've gotten some new features to finally work in the : MSK parser despite everything else happening at nearly the same time.) : Joe D. Your droll reference to Alice and your implication of the topsy-turvy effects on your personal and professional life notwithstanding, the taking up of the Kermit torch has brought favorable recognition to USU and can do nothing but show the University in a shining light. We who use Kermit are a small but influential community and in this day when competition for high quality students is fierce, I would think that the powers at USU would appreciate the inexpensive but well placed advertising. That would be especially true here in the East where Utah State is not well known. Your work is just as if not more important than publication and we all appreciate what you and Frank give. Thanks again, _______________________________________________________________________________ R. Keith Fullerton | "If you fall in love with someone | with low self esteem, they think Standard disclaimer ... | that you're crazy." rkf From news@columbia.edu Thu Apr 11 14:55:57 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA03285 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 1996 14:55:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA19706 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 11 Apr 1996 14:55:51 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.mindlink.net!van-bc!unixg.ubc.ca!info.ucla.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!freenet4.afn.org!djohns From: djohns@freenet4.afn.org (David A. Johns) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: modem won't respond to mskermit Date: 11 Apr 1996 11:18:11 GMT Lines: 51 Message-ID: <4kippj$f8i@huron.eel.ufl.edu> References: <4k904b$mc2@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <4keqi7$crf@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: freenet4.afn.org X-Newsreader: NewsWerthy 1.71 (unregistered) In <4keqi7$crf@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) wrote: # Above the maximum "autobauding" speed, the modem can be set to # recognize commands at (usually) one higher speed. There is a # factory setting that specifies this speed, and it is usually # 38400 or 57600 bps. Usually you can change the setting by # using a modem command, such as by setting a particular S # register (which one varies with modem make and model). I just ran into this problem with a USR Sportster (age unknown). The manual says it should work up to 115200, and also that the way you make sure it's working is to give it some AT commands. I set this one at 115200, issued ATDT, and the letters echoed but I didn't get a dial tone. I lowered the speed to 57600, and everything worked. Apparently the manual covered several models, and this one didn't have the higher DTE speed. I also tried this with a Wal-Mart special Zoom V32.bis (14,400), and the behavior was identical. Its manual is one of those generic ones, with no indication of what brand it covers. The manual never mentions DTE speed at all. # The interesting piece of this puzzle is why the modem appeared # to echo its commmands correctly at a speed which it did not # recognize. My theory is that, when the modem is offline and # not reading and explicitly echoing the characters that it # receives, that it acts as a kind of electrical mirror, in # effect shorting its receive and transmit wires. A similar # phenomenon is noted sometimes on unoccupied (empty), # unterminated COM ports. # # A telltale sign of this syndrome is that carriage return (the # Enter key) is echoed without a linefeed. If the modem is # reading and echoing characters, it will echo a carriage return # as a carriage return AND a linefeed. So, for example, when # the device is simply bouncing signals back to you, and you # type AT, the result on your screen are the letters AT, # with the cursor on A, not one line below it. Both the USR and the Zoom behave this way at all speeds; if you issue a command, the cursor goes back to the beginning of the same line. The CR seems to be part of the response, not echoed from the command. You can see this best with ATDT, which gives no printed response. By the way, I also ran into another quirk with the USR which might be useful for your files: the factory default (at&f) is *no flow control*. This was giving me garbled screen input and canceled transfers until I realized I had to give it at&f1 to set hardware FC. David Johns From news@columbia.edu Thu Apr 11 14:55:58 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA03296 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 1996 14:55:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA19703 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 11 Apr 1996 14:55:51 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.mindlink.net!van-bc!unixg.ubc.ca!info.ucla.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!freenet4.afn.org!djohns From: djohns@freenet4.afn.org (David A. Johns) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: The value of the Kermit program Date: 11 Apr 1996 11:18:00 GMT Lines: 30 Message-ID: <4kipp8$f8g@huron.eel.ufl.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: freenet4.afn.org X-Newsreader: NewsWerthy 1.71 (unregistered) I had another instance yesterday of being able to solve a problem using MS-Kermit and its document files. What happened was that our applications person had received a new computer from Compaq. It had an ethernet card and a bunch of net software, and was supposed to work as delivered. But she couldn't get it to work on our network, and with all the software preloaded, didn't know where to start. As the cost of site licenses these days seems to be no manuals, she had spent all day on the phone with the Compaq distributor, who apparently knew no more than she did. When I heard of this, I brought in a disk with MSK and the MSK setup.doc. The file showed us that TCP and ODI files had been loaded willy-nilly by the installation programs for the various software packages (or by incompetent Compaq distributor folk). We were able to start from scratch, load the proper packet driver, and connect with Kermit in less than half an hour. Once we had done that, we could get winsock and the rest of the programs working. Unfortunately, this site has no use for a DOS terminal program (its net interests are popmail and web surfing), and I'm sure it won't switch to Windows 95 for years, so the Columbia project will never be rewarded for the good it has done. But without the clear instructions and "open architecture" program that MSK provides (as compared to typical Windows programs), our not-very-expert staff would have thrashed away many hours trying to solve a simple problem. If only you could get royalties on such services! David Johns From news@columbia.edu Thu Apr 11 17:36:05 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA22140 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 1996 17:36:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA23687 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 11 Apr 1996 17:36:02 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!netaxs.com!news2.cais.net!news.cais.net!news1.erols.com!imci5!pull-feed.internetmci.com!news.internetMCI.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!howland.reston.ans.net!news-e2a.gnn.com!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: brownj6361@aol.com (BrownJ6361) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Script Tutorial msKermit Date: 10 Apr 1996 20:22:27 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 7 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <4khjc3$5s4@newsbf02.news.aol.com> Reply-To: brownj6361@aol.com (BrownJ6361) NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com Does the book availible from digital have much on scripting? Could someone recommend something with some simple exp. Thanks J. Brown From news@columbia.edu Thu Apr 11 20:33:50 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA12118 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 1996 20:33:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id UAA27928 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 11 Apr 1996 20:33:44 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Script Tutorial msKermit Date: 12 Apr 1996 00:33:33 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 12 Message-ID: <4kk8ct$r8k@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4khjc3$5s4@newsbf02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4khjc3$5s4@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, BrownJ6361 wrote: : Does the book availible from digital have much on scripting? : Could someone recommend something with some simple exp. : "Using MS-DOS Kermit" has a whole chapter on scripting, with lots of simple examples. "Using C-Kermit" has *three* whole chapters on it. Also with lots of examples. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Apr 12 01:59:15 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA10397 for ; Fri, 12 Apr 1996 01:59:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id BAA06591 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 12 Apr 1996 01:59:12 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!netaxs.com!chesco.com!en.com!news.his.com!news.akorn.net!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit will not connect ???? Message-ID: <1996Apr11.170013.78079@cc.usu.edu> Date: 11 Apr 96 17:00:13 MDT References: <828388254.2362@intra.demon.co.uk> <828896263.14273@intra.demon.co.uk> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 59 In article <828896263.14273@intra.demon.co.uk>, paul@intra.demon.co.uk (Paul) writes: > jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) wrote: > >>In article <828388254.2362@intra.demon.co.uk>, paul@intra.demon.co.uk (Paul) writes: >>> I have been trying to connect two 486 PCs using Kermit 3.14. >>> >>> When I type 'c' to connect, I get a frozen screen. I am using a null > >> Forzen? If you mean you don't see your own keystrokes then its >>because normally "the other side" echos them as a mainframe to terminal >>arrangment. SET LOCAL ECHO ON solves that. Otherwise you have installation >>problems and the first step is to carefully review the release documentation >>on the many problems aflicting PCs. > I trust you mean "set local on" not "set local echo on" as Kermit 3.14 > will not allow me to use the word echo. > Having "set local on" the screen is now "unfrozen", and I can see what > is being typed on both PC's. > However what I want to do is run programs on the server from the > "terminal". > I have used this facility before to link a 486 running dos to a 386 > server running a unix Accounts program. I hasten to add it was not me > who set up the system. When typing "C" to connect on the 486 it logged > directly into the 386 and behaved as a full terminal and allowed access > to all the Accounts software. Is there something special about unix > which allows this link, if not, how do I connect to dos programs running > on a 486 server from a 486 "terminal". > > TIA > > Paul > >>> modem cable which has 2 9pin and 2 25pin connectors (which allows >>> connection to com1 or com2). I have checked the cable using Dos >>> Interlnk. >>> I have set the port speeds on both PC's using the Dos mode command to >>> 9600 and then set the port speeds in Kermit to 9600. I have tried both >>> com ports with no luck. >>> >>> Do both PC's need to be running Kermit ? > >> No. > >>> I have successfully used Kermit to dial out through my modem but I just >>> get a blank screen when I try to connect to the other PC. >>> Any ideas what I am doing wrong ? >> Joe D. ---------- My turn again. I *think* I understand the problem. DOS does not run remotely. It has no 'terminal handler' or login nor anything vaguely like that. The machine *is* the terminal, every last bit of it. DOS and Windows programs very very often go directly to hardware for performance and have little to no provision for ASCII commands and responses. What the person wants is PC Anywhere or similar which is a keyboard stuffer (observer's machine to target machine) and going the other way it's a "report changes to the screen" mechanism. PC Anywhere is not expensive and it has matured to be a desirable product. Kermit is not in that business. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Fri Apr 12 15:30:34 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA09479 for ; Fri, 12 Apr 1996 15:30:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA12772 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 12 Apr 1996 15:30:18 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.eecs.umich.edu!news.lsa.umich.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!ncar!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!info.ucla.edu!psgrain!nntp.teleport.com!usenet From: mkmcconn@teleport.com (Mark McConnell) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: modem won't respond to mskermit Date: 11 Apr 1996 16:01:34 -0700 Organization: Teleport - Internet Access -- 220-1016; Portland, Oregon, USA Lines: 45 Sender: mkmcconn@julie.teleport.com Message-ID: References: <4k904b$mc2@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <4keqi7$crf@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Reply-To: mkmcconn@teleport.com NNTP-Posting-Host: julie.teleport.com In-reply-to: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu's message of 9 Apr 1996 23:06:47 GMT X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.0.15 >>>>> "fdc" == Frank da Cruz writes: fdc> In article , fdc> Mark McConnell wrote: fdc> : ... fdc> : Your description of the symptoms associated with a mismatched speed points fdc> : in the direction of the solution, apparently. I am using a ZOOM VFX V.32bis fdc> : modem. I had attempted to SET SPE 28800. When I changed to 38400, the fdc> : modem responded. Also works at 57600 and 14400, but not 28.8. [snip] fdc> OK, so we have a new gotcha to add to the long list. Your modem does not fdc> respond to commands at an interface speed of 28800 bps. Either this is a fdc> bug in (or "restriction" of) the modem, or else it is a documented feature. [snip] fdc> The interesting piece of this puzzle is why the modem appeared to echo its fdc> commmands correctly at a speed which it did not recognize. My theory is fdc> that, when the modem is offline and not reading and explicitly echoing the fdc> characters that it receives, that it acts as a kind of electrical mirror, fdc> in effect shorting its receive and transmit wires. A similar phenomenon is fdc> noted sometimes on unoccupied (empty), unterminated COM ports. fdc> A telltale sign of this syndrome is that carriage return (the Enter key) is fdc> echoed without a linefeed. If the modem is reading and echoing characters, fdc> it will echo a carriage return as a carriage return AND a linefeed. So, fdc> for example, when the device is simply bouncing signals back to you, and fdc> you type AT, the result on your screen are the letters AT, with the fdc> cursor on A, not one line below it. fdc> - Frank Frank, In case it is helpful, this is exactly the behavior I saw. There is no line-feed, but the characters echoed are not gibberish. The screen shows what I typed, except the carriage return does not send the cursor to a new line. Mark Mc ----- -- Mark McConnell =-=-=-=-=-=-=-mkmcconn@teleport.com-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= From news@columbia.edu Fri Apr 12 18:48:38 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA00909 for ; Fri, 12 Apr 1996 18:48:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA17255 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 12 Apr 1996 18:48:36 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!netnews.worldnet.att.net!newsadm From: cjk@worldnet.att.net (Chris Kunath) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Setting Modem S-registers Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 06:10:40 GMT Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 64 Message-ID: <4kks4l$2k9@mtinsc01-mgt.ops.worldnet.att.net> References: <4khb90$7at@canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: 137.chicago-3.il.dial-access.att.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 walid@InfoMag.mb.ca (Walid Chamma) wrote: > Is it possible to set the S-registers of a modem by running kermit > from a line command on a UNIX machine ( non-interactive). > So that the command can be executed at specific time. Sure, I do this all the time! Here's a sample for a Practical Peripherals 14400 FSX (hint: if you take out the error checking, it's MUCH faster, which might be a factor if you're setting up 64 modems at a shot): set line /dev/modem13 set speed 38400 set take echo off set take error off script ~0 AT~r OK ATL0F0~r OK if success echo Reset to factory defaults... if failure echo Modem not answering! script ~0 ATM0~r OK if success echo Turned speaker off... if failure echo Failed disabling speaker! script ~0 ATT~r OK if success echo Use DTMF dialing... if failure echo Failed enabling tone dial! script ~0 ATW0~r OK if success echo Disabled negotiation messages... if failure echo Failed disabling negotiation messages! script ~0 AT&C1~r OK if success echo Tracking DCD from remote modem... if failure echo Failed configuring DCD! script ~0 AT&D3~r OK if success echo Reset upon DTR transition... if failure echo Failed configuring DTR! script ~0 AT&S1~r OK if success echo Inhibit DSR at hangup... if failure echo Failed configuring DSR! script ~0 ATS11=65~r OK if success echo Set DTMF tone duration... if failure echo Failed setting DTMF tone duration! script ~0 ATS37=11~r OK if success echo Attempt initial connect at 14400... if failure echo Failed setting initial connect speed! script ~0 ATS38=0~r OK if success echo No delay before hangup... if failure echo Failed setting hangup delay! script ~0 ATS95=47~r OK if success echo Enable negotiation messages... if failure echo Failed setting negotiation messages! echo All Done! From news@columbia.edu Fri Apr 12 20:52:06 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA24076 for ; Fri, 12 Apr 1996 20:52:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id UAA19939 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 12 Apr 1996 20:52:04 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!netaxs.com!news2.cais.net!news.cais.net!news.jsums.edu!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.creative.net!CREATIVE.NET From: bmorgan@creative.net Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: How to do this in Ckermit? Date: Thu, 11 Apr 96 22:40:17 Organization: BBS Systems - San Francisco Lines: 14 Message-ID: <4kktp1$bvn@cyberE.creative.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: port27.creative.net X-Newsreader: IBM WebExplorer DLL I have a routine in ProComm Windows Aspect which I would like to port to CKermit (OS/2, if it matters), so that I don't have to run Windows. The answer is probably contained in "Using C-Kermit", but I can't find it. The part I can't figure is how to control the input buffer on a character by character basis, which looks like this in PW Aspect: Set Aspect $RXDATA ON integer A comreadc A ; Read a charcter from the comm port ;Now I can do whatever I like with "A" TIA, Byron Morgan San Francisco From news@columbia.edu Fri Apr 12 21:36:05 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA27554 for ; Fri, 12 Apr 1996 21:36:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id VAA20983 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 12 Apr 1996 21:36:03 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!netaxs.com!news2.cais.net!news.cais.net!news.jsums.edu!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!newsserver.jvnc.net!raffles.technet.sg!usenet From: Robert Ong Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Diamond Stealth 2001 card & 132-Column mode Date: 12 Apr 1996 07:00:06 GMT Organization: Pacific Internet, Singapore Lines: 16 Message-ID: <4kkv1m$cqi@raffles.technet.sg> NNTP-Posting-Host: max82ppp133.pacific.net.sg Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.2 (Windows; I; 16bit) Need Help Quick! We are using the Diamond Stealth 2001 card, and don't seem to be able to get to 132-column mode. Kermit is 3.14. This is possible with the other Cirrus-Logic 542x cards. Any suggestions??? Help needed quickly. Thanks Robert From news@columbia.edu Sat Apr 13 10:01:20 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA06305 for ; Sat, 13 Apr 1996 10:01:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA25583 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 13 Apr 1996 10:01:17 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: How to do this in Ckermit? Date: 13 Apr 1996 14:01:06 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 28 Message-ID: <4koc32$ov2@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4kktp1$bvn@cyberE.creative.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4kktp1$bvn@cyberE.creative.net>, wrote: : I have a routine in ProComm Windows Aspect which I would like to port to : CKermit (OS/2, if it matters), so that I don't have to run Windows. The : answer is probably contained in "Using C-Kermit", but I can't find it. : Thank you for looking :-) Actually, it is in there, in the INPUT command discussion, on page 279, bottom half. : The part I can't figure is how to control the input buffer on a : character by character basis, which looks like this in PW Aspect: : : Set Aspect $RXDATA ON : integer A : comreadc A ; Read a charcter from the comm port : ;Now I can do whatever I like with "A" : Use the INPUT command with a blank target: INPUT 10 IF FAIL ... This tells it to read one character -- any character. If it succeeds, i.e. if a character arrives within the timeout period (10 seconds in this example), it is available in the \v(inchar) variable. There, now you can switch to OS/2. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sat Apr 13 20:05:43 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA09435 for ; Sat, 13 Apr 1996 20:05:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id UAA07888 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 13 Apr 1996 20:05:39 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!netaxs.com!news2.cais.net!news.cais.net!news.jsums.edu!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Diamond Stealth 2001 card & 132-Column mode Message-ID: <1996Apr12.222401.78165@cc.usu.edu> Date: 12 Apr 96 22:24:01 MDT References: <4kkv1m$cqi@raffles.technet.sg> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 16 In article <4kkv1m$cqi@raffles.technet.sg>, Robert Ong writes: > Need Help Quick! > > We are using the Diamond Stealth 2001 card, and don't seem to be able to > get to 132-column mode. Kermit is 3.14. > > This is possible with the other Cirrus-Logic 542x cards. > > Any suggestions??? > > Help needed quickly. ------------- Because there is no direct support for that board. VESA complaint modes are supported, if it has them or if you can add them via a Bios supplement. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sun Apr 14 16:03:34 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA26991 for ; Sun, 14 Apr 1996 16:03:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA19501 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 14 Apr 1996 16:03:30 -0400 (EDT) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!umcc.umich.edu!edcen!dexter!jsr From: jsr@dexter.mi.org (Jay S. Rouman) Subject: Redirect comm port to winsock Message-ID: Organization: Private System, Mt. Pleasant, MI, USA Date: Sun, 14 Apr 1996 14:57:24 GMT Lines: 11 A while back, somebody (probably Joe) mentioned a shareware program that would redirect a PC comm port to a Winsock telnet connection. Naturally, I didn't save the post. Could someone refresh my memory? TIA! While I've got the connection open, I'd like to add my thanks to Frank, Joe, and everybody on the Kermit team for the great job they have done and continue to do. Kermit is truly a fastastic project. -- Jay Rouman (jsr@dexter.mi.org jsr@umcc.umich.edu NIC Handle: JSR) System Administrator, Education Central/REMCen (jsr@edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu) From news@columbia.edu Sun Apr 14 20:42:00 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA23676 for ; Sun, 14 Apr 1996 20:41:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id UAA25740 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 14 Apr 1996 20:41:58 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!imci5!imci4!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!uwm.edu!news.sol.net!uniserve!van-bc!news.rmii.com!rainbow.rmii.com!not-for-mail From: hcbarth@rainbow.rmii.com (Bart Bartholomew) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Need commercial source of Kermit Date: 14 Apr 1996 14:47:37 -0600 Organization: Rocky Mountain Internet, Inc Lines: 28 Message-ID: <4kro99$o12@rainbow.rmii.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: rainbow.rmii.com I just found this newsgroup, and what timing! At work the policy is to allow software such as Kermit to come in only through commercial (purchased) sources. In the past, Kermit was available from Columbia on tapes and such. I need a copy of Kermit for Solaris on either cdrom or Exabyte tape. We have a special hookup using a Sparc-5 as a console for a Sparc 2000E via the serial ports. Currently, a script called 'gocon' uses 'cu' as a terminal driver, but I would like to replace that with Kermit. Sources? ---------------- Personally, I have another problem. I really did rtfm, but in spite of very many years with kermit, I have been unable to get kerm314 to work with Trumpet winsock. Now it becomes important, because I need ppp connections for dialin access to work. Other win3 terminals are too awkward to be practical. Please give explicit, step-by-step instructions. I really wish all the people out there (obviously not on this newsgroup) had a clue that kermit the program is not the same as kermit the protocol; in a related topic, I wish those programs that claim to do kermit transfers would do a proper job of it. Kermit gets a bad rap because of ignorant users and sloppy programmers who only impliment a subset of the protocol. Sigh. Maybe in the next life... TIA Bart Bartholomew hcbarth@rmii.com -- The best evidence for intelligent life in the Universe Is the lack of contact. From news@columbia.edu Sun Apr 14 21:24:11 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA27642 for ; Sun, 14 Apr 1996 21:24:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id VAA26586 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 14 Apr 1996 21:24:06 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!lamont.ldeo.columbia.edu!news.er.usgs.gov!stc06.ctd.ornl.gov!fnnews.fnal.gov!uwm.edu!cs.utexas.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!freenet4.afn.org!djohns From: djohns@freenet4.afn.org (David A. Johns) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Need commercial source of Kermit Date: 14 Apr 1996 23:45:46 GMT Lines: 14 Message-ID: <4ks2na$mhb@huron.eel.ufl.edu> References: <4kro99$o12@rainbow.rmii.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: freenet4.afn.org X-Newsreader: NewsWerthy 1.71 (unregistered) In <4kro99$o12@rainbow.rmii.com>, hcbarth@rainbow.rmii.com (Bart Bartholomew) wrote: # Personally, I have another problem. I really did rtfm, # but in spite of very many years with kermit, I have been # unable to get kerm314 to work with Trumpet winsock. You should be forgiven for having missed a critical part of tfm, the setup.doc in the networks subdirectory. Its humble name gives little indication of the gold mine contained within. In any case, you can't run MSK over winsock. The file explains why. David Johns From news@columbia.edu Mon Apr 15 11:18:31 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA23115 for ; Mon, 15 Apr 1996 11:18:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA03049 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 15 Apr 1996 11:18:25 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Need commercial source of Kermit Date: 15 Apr 1996 15:17:55 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 17 Message-ID: <4ktpb3$2v1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4kro99$o12@rainbow.rmii.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4kro99$o12@rainbow.rmii.com>, Bart Bartholomew wrote: : I just found this newsgroup, and what timing! : At work the policy is to allow software such as Kermit to come in : only through commercial (purchased) sources. : Just order it from the Kermit Project on the medium of your choice, complete with professionally published documentation. Full information on our Web site: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ If you don't have a Web browser, you can pick up a copy of our catalog and order form via anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/a, file aaxfly.doc (ASCII) or aaxfly.ps (PostScript). Transfer in text mode. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Apr 15 11:18:57 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA23164 for ; Mon, 15 Apr 1996 11:18:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA03057 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 15 Apr 1996 11:18:54 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!lamont.ldeo.columbia.edu!news.er.usgs.gov!stc06.ctd.ornl.gov!fnnews.fnal.gov!muir.math.niu.edu!mp.cs.niu.edu!corn.cso.niu.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!globe.indirect.com!monty From: monty@indirect.com (Jim Monty) Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: [Q] HP48GX Kermit <> MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Transfers Date: 15 Apr 1996 05:54:16 GMT Organization: Internet Direct, Inc. Lines: 35 Message-ID: <4ksoa8$f75@globe.indirect.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: bud.indirect.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.sys.hp48:48423 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:5085 [Article cross-posted to comp.protocols.kermit.misc and comp.sys.hp48] I've successfully connected an HP48GX calculator to my MS-DOS PC via a null modem cable manufactured by Hewlett-Packard. I'm satisfied that the difficulty I'm having is not due to a problem with the physical serial connection (i.e., the cable, connectors, and plugs) or to a COM port/IRQ conflict. I'm running MS-DOS Kermit Version 3.14 PL8 under MS-DOS Version 6.22. I've carefully followed the instructions provided on pp. 27-8 through 27-11 of the _HP 48G Series User's Guide_ (Hewlett-Packard Company, 1993) and have read the pertinent chapters in _Using MS-DOS Kermit: Connecting Your PC to the Electronic World_, Second Edition (Digital Press, 1992). When I initiate a file transfer either by placing the PC in SERVER mode and SENDing a file from the HP48GX, or by placing the calculator in SERVER mode and starting the file transfer from the PC, it fails. The file transfer seems to start, but then retries several times unsuccessfully and eventually times out. I've experimented with innumerable combinations of I/O settings, but have gotten the same result each time. Any clues or suggestions? I was unable to find any specific information about getting Kermit file transfers to work in the HP48 FAQ. Is there a generic "modem" configuration file available for setting MS-DOS Kermit to transfer data to and from an HP48-series calculator? As I've mentioned, I tried various combinations of communications and protocol settings and have carefully matched them between both the PC and the calculator. I obviously have not yet identified the magick combination. Any help will be greatly appreciated. Thanks! --- Jim Monty monty@indirect.com Tempe, Arizona USA From news@columbia.edu Mon Apr 15 11:29:49 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA25083 for ; Mon, 15 Apr 1996 11:29:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA03297 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 15 Apr 1996 11:29:45 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: [Q] HP48GX Kermit <> MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Transfers Date: 15 Apr 1996 15:29:26 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 147 Message-ID: <4ktq0m$36u@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4ksoa8$f75@globe.indirect.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.sys.hp48:48424 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:5086 In article <4ksoa8$f75@globe.indirect.com>, Jim Monty wrote: : [Article cross-posted to comp.protocols.kermit.misc and comp.sys.hp48] : : I've successfully connected an HP48GX calculator to my MS-DOS PC via : a null modem cable manufactured by Hewlett-Packard. I'm satisfied that : the difficulty I'm having is not due to a problem with the physical : serial connection (i.e., the cable, connectors, and plugs) or to a COM : port/IRQ conflict. : : I'm running MS-DOS Kermit Version 3.14 PL8 under MS-DOS Version 6.22. : I've carefully followed the instructions provided on pp. 27-8 through 27-11 : of the _HP 48G Series User's Guide_ (Hewlett-Packard Company, 1993) and have : read the pertinent chapters in _Using MS-DOS Kermit: Connecting Your PC to : the Electronic World_, Second Edition (Digital Press, 1992). When I initiate : a file transfer either by placing the PC in SERVER mode and SENDing a file : from the HP48GX, or by placing the calculator in SERVER mode and starting : the file transfer from the PC, it fails. The file transfer seems to start, : but then retries several times unsuccessfully and eventually times out. I've : experimented with innumerable combinations of I/O settings, but have gotten : the same result each time. : : Any clues or suggestions? I was unable to find any specific information : about getting Kermit file transfers to work in the HP48 FAQ. Is there a : generic "modem" configuration file available for setting MS-DOS Kermit to : transfer data to and from an HP48-series calculator? As I've mentioned, I : tried various combinations of communications and protocol settings and have : carefully matched them between both the PC and the calculator. I obviously : have not yet identified the magick combination. : : Any help will be greatly appreciated. Thanks! : : Jim Monty : monty@indirect.com : Tempe, Arizona USA This question comes up rather often, and I'd add it to our FAQ if I actually knew the answer. Below are several contradictory messages which might or might not help. The important thing to note is that some people have file transfer between the HP-48 and MS-DOS Kermit working just fine. Maybe the discrepencies in opinions and experience can be explained by different HP-48 models having different communications characteristics. From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Problem with HP-48 and Kermit Date: 19 Mar 1996 21:56:26 GMT Organization: Columbia University In article <4imua9$7rf@news.internetmci.com>, <0002016821@mcimail.com> wrote: : I am having difficulty sending a file larger than about 12k : to my HP-48 using kermit. Any suggestions on why this might : be happening ? : Using which Kermit? Which version? If it is MS-DOS Kermit (current version 3.14), you will need to configure it specially for connection to the HP-48. First of all, the HP-48 doesn't support any kind of flow control, so tell Kermit to: SET FLOW NONE Secondly, the HP-48 serial port is unable to receive characters for a fraction of a second when it is switching from sending to receiving. But since it does not support flow control, it doesn't have any way of telling your PC not to send during that time. So you have to tell Kermit to pause after each packet. Try one or both of these: set send pause 1000 set receive pause 1000 The number is milliseconds, so 1000 of them = 1 second. You might be able to make it smaller, or you might have to make it bigger. - Frank From: randyd@crl.com (Randy Ding) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Problem with HP-48 and Kermit Date: 19 Mar 1996 15:25:48 -0800 Organization: CRL Network Services (415) 705-6060 [Login: guest] In article <4imua9$7rf@news.internetmci.com>, <0002016821@mcimail.com> wrote: >I am having difficulty sending a file larger than about 12k >to my HP-48 using kermit. Any suggestions on why this might >be happening ? > You are not giving much info here. Be sure to: set con p all for transferrs to the hp48. also be sure you: set flow xon Tell us exactly what your settings are on both hp and kermit, and what version of kermit you are using. Randy. randyd@crl.com From: randyd@crl.com (Randy Ding) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Problem with EOF Date: 27 Mar 1996 18:27:30 -0800 Organization: CRL Network Services (415) 705-6060 [Login: guest] In article <4jckum$6p4@news.internetmci.com>, <0002016821@mcimail.com> wrote: >I have recently used version 3.14 to send a file to my HP-48. >With flow control set to none and send pause = 1000, I was not able >to finish receiving the file on the HP-48 side. The pc screen >shows 100% sent but the last 3 packets (more or less) never seem >to get to the HP-48. Actually, the hp does use xon/xoff. Also, you MUST set con p all. Below is what I have always used, put it in your k95custom.ini. Omit the line that says set protocol if you are using 3.14. Don't need to mess with the send pause. Note: If the following does not work, then you have another problem.. possibly with your cable or something. ; ------------------------------------------- ; hp48 binary and text file transfer commands ; Macros for transferring files in text and binary mode... define bsend binary,send \%1 \%2 ; SEND in binary mode define tsend text,send \%1 \%2 ; SEND in text mode define bget binary,get \%1 ; GET in binary mode define tget text,get \%1 ; GET in text mode define hpsetup,- set port com1,- set speed 9600,- set protocol kermit,- set flow xon,- set parity none,- set con p all define bgethp hpsetup,- set file type binary,- get \%1 define btohp hpsetup, do bsend \%1 \%2 define tohp hpsetup, do tsend \%1 \%2 define frhp hpsetup, receive \%1 (End) From news@columbia.edu Mon Apr 15 12:26:11 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA02843 for ; Mon, 15 Apr 1996 12:26:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA04627 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 15 Apr 1996 12:25:58 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!lamont.ldeo.columbia.edu!news.er.usgs.gov!stc06.ctd.ornl.gov!fnnews.fnal.gov!uwm.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!dish.news.pipex.net!pipex!news.be.innet.net!INbe.net!usenet From: olverdic@innet.be Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Tech Protocol Definition Date: Mon, 15 Apr 1996 11:44:47 +0200 Organization: INnet NV (post doesn't reflect views of INnet NV) Lines: 11 Message-ID: <31721A8F.2EB3@innet.be> NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.7.106.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (WinNT; I) I'im new to this newsgroup, Does anyone know where can i find the tech spec of Kermit file transfer over tcp/ip. I've captures of Kermit, but i can't understand control pakkets (wich begin with 01 23 ... in hex) Any help would be appreciate olverdic@bacob.be From news@columbia.edu Mon Apr 15 14:32:12 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA19434 for ; Mon, 15 Apr 1996 14:32:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA07885 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 15 Apr 1996 14:32:10 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!lamont.ldeo.columbia.edu!zombie.ncsc.mil!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!gems.vcu.edu!agnew From: agnew@gems.vcu.edu (Brainwave Surfer) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Good shareware Term program w/Kermit? Message-ID: <1996Apr15.092110.2238@gems.vcu.edu> Date: 15 Apr 96 09:21:10 -0400 References: <4katjv$sfu@huron.eel.ufl.edu> <1996Apr9.204620.77954@cc.usu.edu> <4kgcc1$38q@huron.eel.ufl.edu> Organization: Medical College of Virginia Lines: 36 In article <4kgcc1$38q@huron.eel.ufl.edu>, djohns@freenet4.afn.org (David A. Johns) writes: > In <1996Apr9.204620.77954@cc.usu.edu>, jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) wrote: > > # There was this rabbit hole just sitting there quietly, > # minding its own business, and I stepped into it. No end of > # consequences, as Alice is fond of reminding us. > # > # The powers that be at USU take a dim to dark view of > # these activities. Points are definitely not scored. Let's say > # that Kermit is one of the more misunderstood projects and > # products. Were the world run by such views we would be still > # eating off the ground with our hands, as we did for a very > # long time after the invention of marshmellow sticks, or spears > # as I think they later became known. > > There must be a secret school for administrators where they learn such > attitudes. They all seem to have them, yet they can't possibly arise > from normal human interaction. > > David Johns -- There is an EXCELLENT passage in C. S. Lewis' "The Screwtape Letters" (I think that's where it is.) where the demon Screwtape is explaining to his understudy about the evil people do in back rooms in quiet voices, not raising them... give me a honest redneck any day... J. /^^^\ \ / Jim Agnew | AGNEW@JADE.VCU.EDU NOTICE: Adding me to / > || Neurosurgery, | a commercial mailing list is prohibited. /\_/ ' \ / MCV-VCU | License will be $100.00, agreed to by /________________> Richmond, Va | adding me. THIS WILL BE ENFORCED!!! From news@columbia.edu Tue Apr 16 08:24:37 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA09449 for ; Tue, 16 Apr 1996 08:24:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id IAA21704 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 16 Apr 1996 08:24:30 -0400 (EDT) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!hamblin.math.byu.edu!acs2.byu.edu!news.cuny.edu!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!murdoch!usenet From: ghp5h@virginia.edu (George H. Payne) Subject: K95 script crawling X-Nntp-Posting-Host: ghp5hpc.law.virginia.edu Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII Message-ID: Sender: usenet@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU Organization: University of Virginia School of Law X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.7 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 15 Apr 1996 18:35:09 GMT Lines: 34 The script below is basically a loop that looks for begin-print and end-print print-through escape sequences and captures the stuff that is supposed to be printing to a file, post.tmp. Under msdos kermit, this script runs at reasonable, if not terribly amazing, speed (it processes a line per second or so). Under K95 on a better computer running winNT with nothing else running, it CRAWLS (one line every couple of minutes). Do I need to set some kind of polling parameter or something? Thanks for any help. set input timeout-action proceed input 10 ____________________ if failure goto locked :loop input 40 \{27}[5i if failure goto endloop log session post.tmp input 40 \{27}[4i if failure goto noendprint close session goto loop :endloop ; Out of loop -- George H. Payne Law Information Technology and Communications UVa Law School From news@columbia.edu Tue Apr 16 08:24:37 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA09447 for ; Tue, 16 Apr 1996 08:24:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id IAA21708 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 16 Apr 1996 08:24:30 -0400 (EDT) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!murdoch!usenet From: ghp5h@virginia.edu (George H. Payne) Subject: Re: K95 script crawling X-Nntp-Posting-Host: ghp5hpc.law.virginia.edu Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII Message-ID: Sender: usenet@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU Organization: University of Virginia School of Law X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.7 References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 15 Apr 1996 20:49:01 GMT Lines: 39 In article , ghp5h@virginia.edu says... Forgot to mention: this is over a telnet connection to a local unix box. > >The script below is basically a loop that looks for begin-print and end-print >print-through escape sequences and captures the stuff that is supposed to be >printing to a file, post.tmp. Under msdos kermit, this script runs at >reasonable, if not terribly amazing, speed (it processes a line per second or >so). Under K95 on a better computer running winNT with nothing else running, >it CRAWLS (one line every couple of minutes). > >Do I need to set some kind of polling parameter or something? > >Thanks for any help. > > >set input timeout-action proceed >input 10 ____________________ >if failure goto locked > > >:loop >input 40 \{27}[5i >if failure goto endloop >log session post.tmp >input 40 \{27}[4i >if failure goto noendprint >close session >goto loop >:endloop > >; Out of loop -- George H. Payne Law Information Technology and Communications UVa Law School From news@columbia.edu Tue Apr 16 08:24:37 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA09450 for ; Tue, 16 Apr 1996 08:24:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id IAA21706 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 16 Apr 1996 08:24:30 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!spool.mu.edu!munnari.OZ.AU!news.mel.connect.com.au!wantree.com.au!nevyn.realize.com.au!bruce From: bruce@nevyn.realize.com.au (Bruce Cook) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit-95 and terminal reset Date: Mon, 15 Apr 1996 12:09:58 GMT Organization: AusSTEP Consultants Lines: 19 Sender: bruce@nevyn.realize.com.au Message-ID: Reply-To: bcook@wantree.com.au NNTP-Posting-Host: a1-dialin4.wantree.com.au X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.1 I seem to be having a problem with terminal reset under kermit-95 1.1.3(192). When I exit a telnet session with kermit, it doesn't seem to completely reset it's terminal. The problem occurs when I run somthing that uses ncurses which gets terminal size wrong (I'm using 96/40). It sets up a scroll region on line 24, which stuffs up later programs being run. While I realize that this is an ncurses problem, and am willing to put up with it, it becomes a bit of a problem when I terminate the session, and then have to exit Kermit-95, because the problem will be carried onto the next telnet session I start. Is this a bug or feature. Is there a way I can manually reset these scroll regions between sessions ? From news@columbia.edu Tue Apr 16 12:20:20 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA06504 for ; Tue, 16 Apr 1996 12:20:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA27232 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 16 Apr 1996 12:20:19 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: K95 script crawling Date: 16 Apr 1996 16:20:11 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 45 Message-ID: <4l0hbr$qij@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , George H. Payne wrote: : The script below is basically a loop that looks for begin-print and : end-print print-through escape sequences and captures the stuff that is : supposed to be printing to a file, post.tmp. Under msdos kermit, this : script runs at reasonable, if not terribly amazing, speed (it processes : a line per second or so). Under K95 on a better computer running winNT : with nothing else running, it CRAWLS (one line every couple of minutes). : : :loop : input 40 \{27}[5i : if failure goto endloop : log session post.tmp : input 40 \{27}[4i : if failure goto noendprint : close session : goto loop : :endloop : Rewriting the script as shown below makes it go plenty fast -- many lines per second. "XXXX" from host makes it exit: set input echo off :loop minput 10 {\10} {\{27}[5i} {\{27}[4i} {XXXX} if success forward \v(minput) goto loop :1 write screen \v(input) ; Got a line, echo it. clear input ; Clear the line from the buffer. goto loop ; Go back and get another. :2 log session x.tmp ; Got "start printer" echo CAPTURING... goto loop :3 close session ; Got "stop printer" echo END CAPTURE... clear input goto loop :4 end ; Got XXXX - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Apr 16 12:44:30 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA10317 for ; Tue, 16 Apr 1996 12:44:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA27761 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 16 Apr 1996 12:44:27 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: K95 script crawling Date: 16 Apr 1996 16:44:16 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 18 Message-ID: <4l0ip0$r3b@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , George H. Payne wrote: : In article , ghp5h@virginia.edu says... : : Forgot to mention: this is over a telnet connection to a local unix box. : Here's an even faster alternative. This takes advantage of the fact that Kermit 95's terminal emulator is active during INPUT commands: set printer post.tmp input 5000 XXXX That's the whole thing. The INPUT command waits for the termination string, XXXX. If, while reading incoming characters, the printer-on sequence is encountered, subsequent bytes are automatically routed to the SET PRINTER device (or in this case, file), until a printer-off sequence comes. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Apr 16 12:53:20 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA11565 for ; Tue, 16 Apr 1996 12:53:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA27981 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 16 Apr 1996 12:53:11 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.mindlink.net!van-bc!unixg.ubc.ca!rover.ucs.ualberta.ca!alberta!usenet From: Vladimir Alexiev Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: is it possible to use the 25-th line in MS kermit? Date: 15 Apr 1996 20:41:54 -0600 Organization: University of Alberta, Computing Science Lines: 3 Sender: vladimir@tees.cs.ualberta.ca Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: tees.cs.ualberta.ca X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.0.15 I don't use the kermit modeline and I'd like to use the 25-th screen line for output. Is this possible? I'm on a CGA, and I have a little program that can fake the CGA having 26 lines, if this can help. From news@columbia.edu Tue Apr 16 13:59:35 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA20517 for ; Tue, 16 Apr 1996 13:59:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA29548 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 16 Apr 1996 13:59:31 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit-95 and terminal reset Date: 16 Apr 1996 17:59:19 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 40 Message-ID: <4l0n5n$sr9@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Bruce Cook wrote: : I seem to be having a problem with terminal reset under : kermit-95 1.1.3(192). : : When I exit a telnet session with kermit, it doesn't : seem to completely reset it's terminal. This was a poor design decision. It will be corrected in the next release. : The problem occurs when I run somthing that uses ncurses : which gets terminal size wrong (I'm using 96/40). : : It sets up a scroll region on line 24, which stuffs up : later programs being run. While I realize that this is : an ncurses problem, and am willing to put up with it, it : becomes a bit of a problem when I terminate the session, : and then have to exit Kermit-95, because the problem : will be carried onto the next telnet session I start. You can use the Reset Kverb (Alt-R) to perform a reset at any time to clear the scroll region. : Is this a bug or feature. Is there a way I can manually : reset these scroll regions between sessions ? There is no way to currently reset the session from the command prompt. However, there is a workaround. Between sessions use the VIEW command to enter terminal mode. Then use the RESET Kverb to reset the terminal. Exit back to command mode, and then make your new connection. Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 * 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 * (212) 854-1344 C-Kermit 5A(191) for OS/2: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cko191.html Kermit 95 for Windows 95 : http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html From news@columbia.edu Tue Apr 16 14:44:20 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA26504 for ; Tue, 16 Apr 1996 14:44:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA00725 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 16 Apr 1996 14:44:17 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!news.sol.net!uniserve!van-bc!unixg.ubc.ca!info.ucla.edu!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: is it possible to use the 25-th line in MS kermit? Message-ID: <1996Apr16.111115.78365@cc.usu.edu> Date: 16 Apr 96 11:11:15 MDT References: Organization: Utah State University Lines: 8 In article , Vladimir Alexiev writes: > I don't use the kermit modeline and I'd like to use the 25-th screen line for > output. Is this possible? I'm on a CGA, and I have a little program that can > fake the CGA having 26 lines, if this can help. -------- Not possible. DEC uses line 25 for status, not as part of the regular scrolling screen. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Tue Apr 16 23:35:01 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA25515 for ; Tue, 16 Apr 1996 23:35:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id XAA13480 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 16 Apr 1996 23:34:56 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!lamont.ldeo.columbia.edu!news.er.usgs.gov!stc06.ctd.ornl.gov!fnnews.fnal.gov!uwm.edu!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: modem won't respond to mskermit. Another problem: will not work Message-ID: <1996Apr16.111023.78364@cc.usu.edu> Date: 16 Apr 96 11:10:23 MDT References: <4kfn20$ifq@cc.joensuu.fi> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 23 In article <4kfn20$ifq@cc.joensuu.fi>, hounsell@cc.joensuu.fi (Paul Hounsell) writes: > Hi all > > Sorry to change thread but I have been having some weird problems > with an "old" V.FAST/V.32bis modem I was given. Of course no manuals > brand-name or anything like that. (If there is is a sock monster that eats > your socks from the washing machine then there must be a computer manual > monster that devours every manual in sight. 8-( ) The modem is an > external modem and I bought a full RS232 cable to connect to it. I can > connect with trouble at 1200 but when I try any higher speed the modem > refuses to connect. I am trying to connect to a 9600 baud modem and it does > not help to set the speed. The host modem answers (lots of noise) and then > kermit fails with a "NO CARRIER" message. Should I use a null modem cable > instead? Any help will be appreciated. > > TIA > Paul ---------- You're kind of stuck then. The NO CARRIER message means the modems failed to negotiate a connection, and that's that. Clearly Kermit isn't part of that process. Given the price of modems these days your funds might be better invested in a known replacment unit. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Tue Apr 16 23:35:40 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA25585 for ; Tue, 16 Apr 1996 23:35:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id XAA13532 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 16 Apr 1996 23:35:39 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!lamont.ldeo.columbia.edu!news.er.usgs.gov!stc06.ctd.ornl.gov!fnnews.fnal.gov!uwm.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Tech Protocol Definition Message-ID: <1996Apr16.111447.78366@cc.usu.edu> Date: 16 Apr 96 11:14:47 MDT References: <31721A8F.2EB3@innet.be> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 21 In article <31721A8F.2EB3@innet.be>, olverdic@innet.be writes: > I'im new to this newsgroup, > > Does anyone know where can i find the tech spec of Kermit file > transfer over tcp/ip. > > I've captures of Kermit, but i can't understand control pakkets > (wich begin with 01 23 ... in hex) > > Any help would be appreciate > > olverdic@bacob.be ------------ Kermit can run over Telnet (uses TCP). The specs on Telnet and TCP are the many RFCs (Request for Comment), which are the formal specs of those protocols. You can find them archived all over the world, including at nic.ddn.mil. Kermit packets themselves are defined in the book "Kermit, a file transfer protocol" by Frank da Cruz. Please contact Columbia for ordering information. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Wed Apr 17 10:25:49 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA28476 for ; Wed, 17 Apr 1996 10:25:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA15192 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 17 Apr 1996 10:25:45 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!lamont.ldeo.columbia.edu!news.er.usgs.gov!stc06.ctd.ornl.gov!fnnews.fnal.gov!uwm.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!newsjunkie.ans.net!newsfeeds.ans.net!lehi.kuentos.guam.net!saba.kuentos.guam.net!sdh From: sdh@saba.kuentos.guam.net (Steven D. Hildebrand) Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: [Q] HP48GX Kermit <> MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Transfers Followup-To: comp.sys.hp48,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Date: 16 Apr 1996 23:10:24 GMT Organization: Kuentos Communications Inc. Lines: 19 Message-ID: <4l19d1$o0p@lehi.kuentos.guam.net> References: <4ksoa8$f75@globe.indirect.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: saba.kuentos.guam.net X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.sys.hp48:48501 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:5099 I have just been reading the message traffic on the problems with Kermit transfers using HP48 to PC. I've managed to get Kermit transfers with the older and the newer versions of Kermit (DOS), but usually have to fiddle around with it for a bit to get the right. I tried using ProCommPlus a couple of times and always caused a Windows GPF. I tried QmodemPro for Win95 and could never get a file transfer in the Kermit mode. I had to set the protocol to ASCII to transfer data from my HP48. Surprizingly the little terminal program that comes with Windows 3.1 is the one that seems to be the easiest to use and most effective method of the bunch. -- Steven D. Hildebrand Inarajan, Guam U.S.A. CompuServe 74301,3654 steven.hildebrand@kuentos.guam.net From news@columbia.edu Wed Apr 17 13:20:37 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA20950 for ; Wed, 17 Apr 1996 13:20:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA19372 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 17 Apr 1996 13:20:33 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!csn!news-1.csn.net!torn!newshost.uwo.ca!usenet From: Kevin Long Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: [Q] HP48GX Kermit <> MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Transfers Date: Wed, 17 Apr 1996 00:51:42 -0400 Organization: Chemical Engineering, UWO Lines: 20 Message-ID: <317478DE.2229@mustang.uwo.ca> References: <4ksoa8$f75@globe.indirect.com> <4l19d1$o0p@lehi.kuentos.guam.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ts3-73.slip.uwo.ca Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Authenticated: jrhall@ts3-73.slip.uwo.ca X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win95; I) Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.sys.hp48:48507 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:5100 > > I have just been reading the message traffic on the problems with Kermit > transfers using HP48 to PC. I've managed to get Kermit transfers with > the older and the newer versions of Kermit (DOS), but usually have to > fiddle around with it for a bit to get the right. I tried using > ProCommPlus a couple of times and always caused a Windows GPF. I tried > QmodemPro for Win95 and could never get a file transfer in the Kermit > mode. I had to set the protocol to ASCII to transfer data from my > HP48. Surprizingly the little terminal program that comes with Windows > 3.1 is the one that seems to be the easiest to use Try using HyperTerminal that comes with Win 95......I use it all the time and I have never had any probs! Kevin University of Western Ontario London, Ontario Canada klong@mustang.uwo.ca From news@columbia.edu Wed Apr 17 14:05:18 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA27107 for ; Wed, 17 Apr 1996 14:05:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA20447 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 17 Apr 1996 14:05:14 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: [Q] HP48GX Kermit <> MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Transfers Date: 17 Apr 1996 18:04:50 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 13 Message-ID: <4l3bs2$ju4@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4ksoa8$f75@globe.indirect.com> <4l19d1$o0p@lehi.kuentos.guam.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.sys.hp48:48509 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:5101 In article <4l19d1$o0p@lehi.kuentos.guam.net>, Steven D. Hildebrand wrote: : I have just been reading the message traffic on the problems with Kermit : transfers using HP48 to PC. I've managed to get Kermit transfers with : the older and the newer versions of Kermit (DOS), but usually have to : fiddle around with it for a bit to get the right. : So exactly what was the fiddling? This is the kind of info that Kermit users are looking for. Thanks! - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Apr 17 16:23:43 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA13494 for ; Wed, 17 Apr 1996 16:23:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA23713 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 17 Apr 1996 16:23:40 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!lamont.ldeo.columbia.edu!news.er.usgs.gov!stc06.ctd.ornl.gov!fnnews.fnal.gov!uwm.edu!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!news.palantir.com!news.IntNet.net!dss From: dss@IntNet.net (Diverse Software Solutions) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: How to make Kermit as a Server? Date: 17 Apr 1996 00:04:20 GMT Organization: Intelligence Network Online, Inc. Lines: 5 Message-ID: <4l1ci4$n5s@mercury.IntNet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: xcalibur.intnet.net X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Would like to know how can a put kermit for os2 in a server mode so I can call into my computer to grap files, etc...? thanks, Jeff From news@columbia.edu Wed Apr 17 16:54:10 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA17311 for ; Wed, 17 Apr 1996 16:54:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA24497 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 17 Apr 1996 16:54:05 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: How to make Kermit as a Server? Date: 17 Apr 1996 20:53:54 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 22 Message-ID: <4l3lp2$nta@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4l1ci4$n5s@mercury.IntNet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4l1ci4$n5s@mercury.IntNet.net>, Diverse Software Solutions wrote: : Would like to know how can a put kermit for os2 in a server mode so I can : call into my computer to grap files, etc...? Set your modem to autoanswer. Place Kermit into SERVER mode. Call your computer. Complete details in "Using C-Kermit" available from Columbia University. See http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ for complete ordering info. Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 * 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 * (212) 854-1344 C-Kermit 5A(191) for OS/2: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cko191.html Kermit 95 for Windows 95 : http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html From news@columbia.edu Wed Apr 17 17:40:40 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA23113 for ; Wed, 17 Apr 1996 17:40:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA25765 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 17 Apr 1996 17:40:33 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!lamont.ldeo.columbia.edu!news.er.usgs.gov!stc06.ctd.ornl.gov!fnnews.fnal.gov!uwm.edu!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!nntp.inet.fi!news.funet.fi!news.cs.hut.fi!news From: Markus Aalto Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MSKermit Send problems Date: Wed, 17 Apr 1996 12:08:48 +0300 Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, CS lab Lines: 35 Distribution: world Message-ID: <3174B520.7FF1@vipunen.hut.fi> NNTP-Posting-Host: vipunen.hut.fi Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (WinNT; I) Hi! I don't know if this question has been asked before as I don't read this newsgroup reqularly. I have a problem with MSKermit 3.14 (18 Jan 1995) I have connected to remote system with a kermit-script and the kermit script tries to use a Send command. After Send-command kermit gives me two lines of text: _________________________________________________ Use one of the following words in this position: ?More parameters are needed __________________________________________________ After these lines kermit freezes. The command used in a script is something like this: Send \m(sf) Where sf is a parameter defined in a script and describing the file to send. I know the filename in sf is valid as I have printed it to screen and it seems OK. The problem happens only one machine configuration. The same kermit version and scripts are used in many other configurations and it works fine. So has anybody seen something like this before or knows what's the problem? From news@columbia.edu Wed Apr 17 18:47:13 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA01105 for ; Wed, 17 Apr 1996 18:47:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA01142 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 17 Apr 1996 18:47:10 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.boxhill.com!news.sprintlink.net!news.celestar.com!nntp.et.byu.edu!africa.nicoh.com!cwis.isu.edu!mica.inel.gov!pmafire!news-relay.us.dell.com!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!info.ucla.edu!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!munnari.OZ.AU!hobyah.cc.uq.oz.au!bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!sol.ccs.deakin.edu.au!usenet From: rmstephe@deakin.edu.au (Robin Stephens) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: k95 and pcmcia modem Date: 17 Apr 1996 12:41:42 GMT Organization: Integritas Lines: 5 Distribution: world Message-ID: <4l2ou7$lpo@sol.ccs.deakin.edu.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: pc21-slip.ccs-stub.deakin.edu.au X-Newsreader: News for Windows NT X1.0-80 Kermit 95 does not recognize my PCMCIA modem. Does not think the com port exists. Any thoughts? Robin. From news@columbia.edu Wed Apr 17 19:44:27 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA06601 for ; Wed, 17 Apr 1996 19:44:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA02725 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 17 Apr 1996 19:44:18 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!lamont.ldeo.columbia.edu!news.er.usgs.gov!stc06.ctd.ornl.gov!fnnews.fnal.gov!uwm.edu!cs.utexas.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!torn!news.ryerson.ca!hopper.acs.ryerson.ca!aaab From: aaab@acs.ryerson.ca (Al Aab - CNED/W94) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: K95 script crawling Date: 17 Apr 1996 09:25:31 GMT Organization: Ryerson Polytechnic University Lines: 6 Message-ID: <4l2deb$1onb@ns2.ryerson.ca> References: <4l0hbr$qij@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: hopper.acs.ryerson.ca X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] wouldn't b faster to use one of those many shareware little utilities ? they redirect printer output -> disk files. SIMTEL is chockfull of them. From news@columbia.edu Wed Apr 17 19:55:51 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA07726 for ; Wed, 17 Apr 1996 19:55:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA03085 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 17 Apr 1996 19:55:46 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: k95 and pcmcia modem Date: 17 Apr 1996 23:45:33 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 24 Message-ID: <4l3vqt$305@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4l2ou7$lpo@sol.ccs.deakin.edu.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4l2ou7$lpo@sol.ccs.deakin.edu.au>, Robin Stephens wrote: : Kermit 95 does not recognize my PCMCIA modem. Does not : think the com port exists. Any thoughts? : Robin: This is a known limitation of Windows 95 Plug and Play code. When a PCMCIA modem is installed, the COM driver is not initialized for that device. The driver is only initialized after a TAPI application uses the modem device. Execute HyperTerm and the port will register in Kermit 95. This will be fixed in Kermit 95 when the GUI version is released. Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 * 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 * (212) 854-1344 C-Kermit 5A(191) for OS/2: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cko191.html Kermit 95 for Windows 95 : http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html From news@columbia.edu Wed Apr 17 21:38:30 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA16317 for ; Wed, 17 Apr 1996 21:38:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id VAA06350 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 17 Apr 1996 21:38:27 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!lamont.ldeo.columbia.edu!news.er.usgs.gov!stc06.ctd.ornl.gov!fnnews.fnal.gov!uwm.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!EU.net!chsun!news.eunet.ch!usenet From: Alan Paterson Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Getting started with Kermit 95 Date: Wed, 17 Apr 1996 11:20:34 +0200 Organization: Not Netscape Communications Lines: 46 Message-ID: <3174B7E2.430@dial.eunet.ch> NNTP-Posting-Host: dyna-be-18.dial.eunet.ch Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01Gold (WinNT; I) I received the complete package of Kermit 95 a few days ago, but as yet have had no luck in getting the K95dial program to work with dial-up connections. Before I explain what doesn't work, let me list the things that DO work: - Starting K95 directly and using CONNECT to talk to my modem. I can then dial out. - Using K95dial to connect via Internet/TCP-IP My problem looks like this: Duting Installation, I discovered that my modem was not one of those known to Kermit. I just picked one more or less at random. When I try to use the 'Quick' facility to dial out, Kermit tries to initialise the modem and fails. So, I can see a few possible ways out: - I try to find out if one of the supported types will do for me. But, how can I do this? Assuming I find one, how can I inform Kermit about the change? - If I cannot find a match, there would seem to be two further possibilities. Either I use type UNKNOWN, but this results in a whole bunch of error messages with dial failure, or I use type USER-DEFINED. However, to do this, I have to input (somewhere) a whole bunch of SET MODEM commands and this has evidently nothing to do with K95DIAL but with the main K95 program instead. I must confess to being totally confused. I can't figure out the connection between K95DIAL and K95 and cannot see how to tell Kermit the details of my modem. There is a reference in the book "Kermit 95", page 15, which says "...check that your modem and dialing properties are configured correctly in Windows". Sorry, but I have Windows NT and I am unaware of whether NT is interested in knowing about modems. I would be grateful for a few pointers. -- Alan Paterson Berne, Switzerland paterson@dial.eunet.ch From news@columbia.edu Wed Apr 17 22:38:32 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA21086 for ; Wed, 17 Apr 1996 22:38:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id WAA07821 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 17 Apr 1996 22:38:29 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!lamont.ldeo.columbia.edu!news.er.usgs.gov!stc06.ctd.ornl.gov!fnnews.fnal.gov!unixhub!lll-winken.llnl.gov!venus.sun.com!ames!merlin.arc.nasa.gov!RAGOSTA From: ragosta@merlin.arc.nasa.gov Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit for OpenVMS Date: 17 Apr 1996 17:19:35 GMT Organization: Aeroflightdynamics Directorate Lines: 20 Message-ID: <4l3977$p2f@news.arc.nasa.gov> References: Reply-To: ragosta@merlin.arc.nasa.gov NNTP-Posting-Host: merlin.arc.nasa.gov In article , ggonter@together.net (Geof Gonter) writes: >Wondering if we have Kermit users out there who deal with Kermit on MSDOS >machines, using a open VMS system. We want to place a computer in the home ... >some commware with Kermit and VT320 emulation? Yes, this will work just fine. Kermit 3.14 for DOS does a good VT320 emulation. The best version for VMS is C Kermit 5A. > >Also, what is the best way to get Open­VMS Kermit into the machine? Can we >download it to a machine (MS or Mac DOS) and then copy it, via a ... VMS Kermit is available on the 2.0 Freeware CD (which you get if you have s/w maintenance on VMS). You can also download it free from a number of web sites. You can start with the DEC site (WWW.DIGITAL.COM/INFO/VMS-FREEWARE.HTML). Art Ragosta From news@columbia.edu Thu Apr 18 01:34:42 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA10405 for ; Thu, 18 Apr 1996 01:34:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id BAA12437 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 18 Apr 1996 01:34:35 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!xmission!news.cc.utah.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MSKermit Send problems Message-ID: <1996Apr17.204857.78472@cc.usu.edu> Date: 17 Apr 96 20:48:57 MDT References: <3174B520.7FF1@vipunen.hut.fi> Distribution: world Organization: Utah State University Lines: 40 In article <3174B520.7FF1@vipunen.hut.fi>, Markus Aalto writes: > Hi! > > I don't know if this question has been asked before as I don't > read this newsgroup reqularly. > > I have a problem with MSKermit 3.14 (18 Jan 1995) > > I have connected to remote system with a kermit-script > and the kermit script tries to use a Send command. After Send-command > kermit gives me two lines of text: > > _________________________________________________ > > Use one of the following words in this position: > > ?More parameters are needed > > __________________________________________________ > > After these lines kermit freezes. > > The command used in a script is something like this: > > Send \m(sf) > > Where sf is a parameter defined in a script and describing the > file to send. I know the filename in sf is valid as I have printed > it to screen and it seems OK. > > The problem happens only one machine configuration. The same > kermit version and scripts are used in many other configurations and > it works fine. > > So has anybody seen something like this before or knows what's the > problem? ---------- We can't tell from that description. What would help is knowing what is in macro sf, both working and non-working versions if possible. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Thu Apr 18 12:49:33 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA16999 for ; Thu, 18 Apr 1996 12:49:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA14382 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 18 Apr 1996 12:49:20 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!lamont.ldeo.columbia.edu!news.er.usgs.gov!stc06.ctd.ornl.gov!fnnews.fnal.gov!muir.math.niu.edu!mp.cs.niu.edu!corn.cso.niu.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!apollo.hp.com!lf.hp.com!news.dtc.hp.com!col.hp.com!news.corp.hp.com!news From: Frank Rocchio Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: query Date: Wed, 17 Apr 1996 16:11:17 -0400 Organization: CNS-Customer Services Atlanta Lines: 4 Message-ID: <31755065.4EA0@atl.hp.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: g3125fnr.atl.hp.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (X11; I; HP-UX A.09.01 9000/715) Do you need to register to become an active participant in this newsgroup ? Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Apr 18 18:31:30 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA23767 for ; Thu, 18 Apr 1996 18:31:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA23183 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 18 Apr 1996 18:31:28 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Getting started with Kermit 95 Date: 18 Apr 1996 22:30:58 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 64 Message-ID: <4l6fr2$mk7@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3174B7E2.430@dial.eunet.ch> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3174B7E2.430@dial.eunet.ch>, Alan Paterson wrote: : I received the complete package of Kermit 95 a few days ago, : but as yet have had no luck in getting the K95dial program : to work with dial-up connections. : : Before I explain what doesn't work, let me list the things : that DO work: : : - Starting K95 directly and using CONNECT to talk : to my modem. I can then dial out. : : - Using K95dial to connect via Internet/TCP-IP : : My problem looks like this: : : Duting Installation, I discovered that my modem was not one : of those known to Kermit. I just picked one more or less at : random. When I try to use the 'Quick' facility to dial out, : Kermit tries to initialise the modem and fails. : Because every make and model of modem uses different commands for the same things. If you give Modem A's commands to Modem B, it causes an error. : So, I can see a few possible ways out: : : - I try to find out if one of the supported types will do : for me. But, how can I do this? : It is not easy. You have to know what commands your modem uses for such things as enabling error correction and detection, BREAK transparency, flow control, and so on, and then look through Kermit's built-in modem types to see if any of them match. This is probably not worth the trouble, because by the time you have found out what your modem's commands are, you can install support for your modem directly in Kermit. : Assuming I find one, how can I inform Kermit about the change? : Change the SET MODEM TYPE command in your K95CUSTOM.INI file to be the appropriate modem type. : - If I cannot find a match, there would seem to be two : further possibilities. Either I use type UNKNOWN, but this : results in a whole bunch of error messages with dial : failure... : The dialing procedure for modem type UNKNOWN is to include the entire dialing command in the phone number, for example: set modem type unk dial atdt7654321 : ... or I use type USER-DEFINED. However, to do this, : I have to input (somewhere) a whole bunch of SET MODEM : commands and this has evidently nothing to do with K95DIAL : but with the main K95 program instead. : Right. All of this is explained in the file DOCS\MODEMS.DOC. If you would like to send us the command summary for you modem, we will be glad to do this for you. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Apr 18 18:44:18 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA25166 for ; Thu, 18 Apr 1996 18:44:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA23510 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 18 Apr 1996 18:44:15 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit for OpenVMS Date: 18 Apr 1996 22:44:08 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 58 Message-ID: <4l6gjo$muj@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4l3977$p2f@news.arc.nasa.gov> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4l3977$p2f@news.arc.nasa.gov>, wrote: : In article , : ggonter@together.net (Geof Gonter) writes: : >Wondering if we have Kermit users out there who deal with Kermit on MSDOS : >machines, using a open VMS system. We want to place a computer in the home : ... : >some commware with Kermit and VT320 emulation? : : Yes, this will work just fine. Kermit 3.14 for DOS does a good VT320 : emulation. The best version for VMS is C Kermit 5A. : >Also, what is the best way to get Open­VMS Kermit into the machine? Can we : >download it to a machine (MS or Mac DOS) and then copy it, via a : ... : : VMS Kermit is available on the 2.0 Freeware CD (which you get if you have : s/w maintenance on VMS). You can also download it free from a number of web : sites. You can start with the DEC site : (WWW.DIGITAL.COM/INFO/VMS-FREEWARE.HTML). : We don't mind when people download C-Kermit and put it on their computers; after all, that's what it is for. However, we like them to download it from Columbia University. The Digital "Freeware CD" contains a copy of C-Kermit that was put there without permission, in violation of our copyright notice, and therefore illegally. Kermit users need to realize that nobody pays us to be here working full-time for you, except you yourselves. The way we like you to help pay for the Kermit Project is to purchase the appropriate user manuals, such as "Using C-Kermit". This is relatively painless, and it's a good investment because it shows you how to get the most out of your software, how to cope with problems, and so on. When companies like Digital put our software on their "Freeware CDROMs", they rarely, if ever, take the pains that we do ourselves to get the message across about purchasing the manuals. That is one of the reasons we like you to come to us for the software: so you will see the message. Another reason is that we have the definitive and up-to-date Kermit software. If you get it from another source, you don't know if it's complete and up to date, or if it has been modified in some way, or has viruses. In any case, we can't support it. Furthermore, when our software is distributed without our permission in this way: . It cuts into our mail order income. . It increases our tech support burden. So please do obtain Kermit software in the proper manner, from Columbia University -- by Web, FTP, or mail order -- and please do purchase the manuals. For full information on the Kermit Project and what's available from it, see our Web site: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Apr 18 19:38:48 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA00825 for ; Thu, 18 Apr 1996 19:38:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA25091 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 18 Apr 1996 19:38:47 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!lamont.ldeo.columbia.edu!news.er.usgs.gov!stc06.ctd.ornl.gov!fnnews.fnal.gov!uwm.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!newsfeed.acns.nwu.edu!ftpbox!mothost!news-in.cig.mot.com!motcig!bridge From: bridge@cig.mot.com (Francis R Bridge) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: DOS-kermit 3.14 problem with Linux color ls Date: 18 Apr 1996 16:32:08 GMT Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group Lines: 36 Message-ID: References: <4jfcgh$r60@news.ccit.arizona.edu> <4jpaal$ijb@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> <1996Apr5.153047.77727@cc.usu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: gerbil.cig.mot.com In-reply-to: jrd@cc.usu.edu's message of 5 Apr 96 15:30:47 MDT In article <1996Apr5.153047.77727@cc.usu.edu> jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: > In article <4jpaal$ijb@watsun.cc.columbia.edu>, fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: > > In article <4jfcgh$r60@news.ccit.arizona.edu>, > > Joseph Y Chen wrote: > > : I'm having color problem with color ls command in linux. When I log on > > : into my linux box which uses color ls, the terminal of DOS-kermit 3.14 is > > : messed up with colors. I have to go back to use DOS-kermit 3.01 to avoid > > : the mess. No matter which terminal emulator. > > : > > Please send a uuencoded session log of an ls listing that demonstrates the > > problem. Tell MS-DOS Kermit to "log session". Then log in to Linux and > > run a color ls command. Then tell MS-DOS Kermit to "close session", and then > > upload the resulting session.log file in binary mode. Then uuencode it and > > email it to kermit@columbia.edu. > ---------- > Following up here for the benefit of list readers. We received > the uuencoded session log, and it looks like normal Linux screen coloring > of directory listings. My guess is "messed up" translates into "uses" and > thus it's not a Kermit problem but rather a Linux design feature. > Joe D. I'm running a similar configuration: MS-Kermit 3.14 running on a XT with a CGA monitor connected to a Linux box. When I issue a "ls -la" command, the file name changes colors as expected. However the following line keeps also maintains that color until another file extension causes it to change again. When the ls command is complete, the shell prompt and all characters entered or echoed by the shell keep that last color. Issuing the "reset" command restores proper colors until the next ls command is issued. -Frank Bridge From news@columbia.edu Thu Apr 18 23:36:35 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA22257 for ; Thu, 18 Apr 1996 23:36:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id XAA00644 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 18 Apr 1996 23:36:33 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!lamont.ldeo.columbia.edu!news.er.usgs.gov!stc06.ctd.ornl.gov!fnnews.fnal.gov!uwm.edu!cs.utexas.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!dog.ee.lbl.gov!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: DOS-kermit 3.14 problem with Linux color ls Message-ID: <1996Apr18.181143.78552@cc.usu.edu> Date: 18 Apr 96 18:11:43 MDT References: <4jfcgh$r60@news.ccit.arizona.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 39 In article , bridge@cig.mot.com (Francis R Bridge) writes: > In article <1996Apr5.153047.77727@cc.usu.edu> jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: > >> In article <4jpaal$ijb@watsun.cc.columbia.edu>, fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: >> > In article <4jfcgh$r60@news.ccit.arizona.edu>, >> > Joseph Y Chen wrote: >> > : I'm having color problem with color ls command in linux. When I log on >> > : into my linux box which uses color ls, the terminal of DOS-kermit 3.14 is >> > : messed up with colors. I have to go back to use DOS-kermit 3.01 to avoid >> > : the mess. No matter which terminal emulator. >> > : >> > Please send a uuencoded session log of an ls listing that demonstrates the >> > problem. Tell MS-DOS Kermit to "log session". Then log in to Linux and >> > run a color ls command. Then tell MS-DOS Kermit to "close session", and then >> > upload the resulting session.log file in binary mode. Then uuencode it and >> > email it to kermit@columbia.edu. >> ---------- >> Following up here for the benefit of list readers. We received >> the uuencoded session log, and it looks like normal Linux screen coloring >> of directory listings. My guess is "messed up" translates into "uses" and >> thus it's not a Kermit problem but rather a Linux design feature. >> Joe D. > > > I'm running a similar configuration: MS-Kermit 3.14 running on a XT with a > CGA monitor connected to a Linux box. When I issue a "ls -la" command, the > file name changes colors as expected. However the following line keeps also > maintains that color until another file extension causes it to change again. > When the ls command is complete, the shell prompt and all characters entered > or echoed by the shell keep that last color. Issuing the "reset" command > restores proper colors until the next ls command is issued. > > -Frank Bridge --------- Suggestions: a) SET TERM COLOR 20 to change how "reset video attributes" ESC [ m deals with color. DEC makes no mention of the matter. b) Talk with the Linux people about how to write colored displays. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Fri Apr 19 09:14:21 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA18822 for ; Fri, 19 Apr 1996 09:14:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA01219 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 19 Apr 1996 09:14:17 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!lamont.ldeo.columbia.edu!news.er.usgs.gov!stc06.ctd.ornl.gov!fnnews.fnal.gov!uwm.edu!news.moneng.mei.com!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!senator-bedfellow.mit.edu!davis From: davis@space.mit.edu (John E. Davis) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: DOS-kermit 3.14 problem with Linux color ls Date: 19 Apr 1996 04:42:41 GMT Organization: Center for Space Research Lines: 38 Message-ID: References: <4jfcgh$r60@news.ccit.arizona.edu> <1996Apr18.181143.78552@cc.usu.edu> Reply-To: davis@space.mit.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: wiwaxia.mit.edu X-Newsreader: slrn (0.8.8 UNIX) On 18 Apr 96 18:11:43 MDT, Joe Doupnik wrote: : b) Talk with the Linux people about how to write colored displays. : Joe D. I do not know exactly what you are referring to but, in my opinion, the linux console handles color correctly. It, like `rxvt' and the new version of color xterm (unreleased, in beta test) uses the so-called ``new-color model'' where the CURRENT background color is used for erasing by escape sequences that clear various regions of the screen (e.g., clear screen, erase to end of line, etc). To my knowledge, MS-Kermit uses the old color model where the screen is erased using the DEFAULT background color. This distinction has a very important impact on efficiency. For example, suppose that default background color is BLUE and, for whatever reason, some program wants to turn the screen RED. How can this be done? If the terminal erases using the CURRENT background color, this can be achieved by setting the background color to RED and then clearing the screen, e.g., ESC [ 4 1 m ESC [ 2 J which means that only 9 characters are needed to do this. If the terminal erases using the DEFAULT background color and, as in this example, that color is BLUE, this method will not work because the screen will be erased using BLUE. As a result, if the terminal does not support an escape sequence to set the DEFAULT background color, the program will have to set the CURRENT color to red ESC [ 4 1 m and then write 24 x 80 = 1920 space characters for a 24x80 screen!!! -- John E. Davis Center for Space Research/AXAF Science Center 617-258-8119 MIT 37-662c, Cambridge, MA 02139 http://space.mit.edu/~davis From news@columbia.edu Fri Apr 19 11:40:20 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA08361 for ; Fri, 19 Apr 1996 11:40:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA04504 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 19 Apr 1996 11:40:16 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!lamont.ldeo.columbia.edu!news.er.usgs.gov!stc06.ctd.ornl.gov!fnnews.fnal.gov!uwm.edu!cs.utexas.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!EU.net!Belgium.EU.net!news From: Lieven Tomme Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.sys.m6809 Subject: Looking for flex 6809 kermit version Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 10:30:49 +0100 Organization: LVD Company n.v. Lines: 11 Message-ID: <31775D49.202ACD19@lvd.be> NNTP-Posting-Host: 193.74.13.254 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0b2 (X11; I; Linux 1.1.59 i486) Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:5117 comp.sys.m6809:2481 Hello, I could use a kermit version under the flex operating system, running on a Motorola 6809 processor. I did not found a binary version yet (thats what I finally want). I appreciate any hints/pointers ... Thank you. Lieven From news@columbia.edu Fri Apr 19 13:32:56 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA23291 for ; Fri, 19 Apr 1996 13:32:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA07110 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 19 Apr 1996 13:32:51 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.sys.m6809 Subject: Re: Looking for flex 6809 kermit version Date: 19 Apr 1996 17:32:29 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 18 Message-ID: <4l8ind$6u0@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <31775D49.202ACD19@lvd.be> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:5118 comp.sys.m6809:2483 In article <31775D49.202ACD19@lvd.be>, Lieven Tomme wrote: : I could use a kermit version under the flex operating system, : running on a Motorola 6809 processor. : I did not found a binary version yet (thats what I finally want). : I appreciate any hints/pointers ... : We have two versions in 6809 assembler, and one in C, all three dating from the 1986-87 era. We also have another version in C for UniFlex, which is several years newer. But we don't have any binaries. All of the files related to these versions -- source, documentation, etc -- are available via anonymous ftp from kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/c, files fl*.* (Flex) and uf*.* (UniFlex). Among these files you might be able to find contact information for the authors, who, if they are still reachable, might be able to furnish binaries. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Apr 19 20:31:22 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA07703 for ; Fri, 19 Apr 1996 20:31:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id UAA16662 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 19 Apr 1996 20:31:20 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!lamont.ldeo.columbia.edu!news.er.usgs.gov!stc06.ctd.ornl.gov!fnnews.fnal.gov!uwm.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!torn!nott!nrcnet0.nrc.ca!NewsWatcher!user From: peter.orban@nrc.ca (Peter Orban) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.sys.m6809 Subject: Re: Looking for flex 6809 kermit version Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 09:35:44 -0400 Organization: NRC Lines: 28 Message-ID: References: <31775D49.202ACD19@lvd.be> NNTP-Posting-Host: 132.246.72.31 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:5119 comp.sys.m6809:2484 In article <31775D49.202ACD19@lvd.be>, Lieven Tomme wrote: > Hello, > > I could use a kermit version under the flex operating system, > running on a Motorola 6809 processor. > I did not found a binary version yet (thats what I finally > want). Columbia University is the official site for Kermit: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ I looked at it a couple of years ago, and at that time there was three versions of Kermit for the 6809. One for the COCO, basic routines in assembly, another for flex, based on the COCO version, but added some features. It was set up to communicate with a VAX/VMS kermit server. Only text transmission though. You needed to recompile (assembly) the code to change port addresses. It did compile for me with SWTC assembler on a Gimix and with the Motorola freeware assemblers. The third version is Unix based and is for OS9. They may have been some newer additions since then. Good luck, Peter -- Peter Orban National Research Council of Canada peter.orban@nrc.ca From news@columbia.edu Sat Apr 20 12:28:05 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA03288 for ; Sat, 20 Apr 1996 12:28:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA24657 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 20 Apr 1996 12:28:00 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!lamont.ldeo.columbia.edu!news.er.usgs.gov!stc06.ctd.ornl.gov!fnnews.fnal.gov!uwm.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!globe.indirect.com!monty From: monty@indirect.com (Jim Monty) Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: [Q] HP48GX Kermit <> MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Transfers Followup-To: comp.sys.hp48,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Date: 19 Apr 1996 22:46:57 GMT Lines: 56 Message-ID: <4l9551$99s@globe.indirect.com> References: <4ksoa8$f75@globe.indirect.com> <4ktq0m$36u@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: bud.indirect.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.sys.hp48:48631 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:5120 On 15 Apr 1996 15:29:26 GMT, Frank da Cruz (fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: > In article <4ksoa8$f75@globe.indirect.com>, > Jim Monty wrote: > : [Article cross-posted to comp.protocols.kermit.misc and comp.sys.hp48] > : [...] > This question comes up rather often, and I'd add it to our FAQ if I > actually knew the answer. Below are several contradictory messages which > might or might not help. [...] Thank you, Frank, for posting those suggestions. They quickly solved my problem. (You're a pro!) Because I have an HP48GX (i.e., not an HP48S/SX), and because I know _it_ (the GX model) uses XON/XOFF flow control signals, I used Randy Ding's (randyd@crl.com) suggestions that included SET FLOW-CONTROL XON/XOFF and SET CONTROL-CHARACTER PREFIXED ALL. I also pirated his idea to define a macro. This is what I added to my C:\KERMIT\MSCUSTOM.INI file: ; HP48GX setup macro ; define hp48setup - set port com2,- set speed 9600,- set flow-control xon/xoff,- set parity none,- set control-character prefixed all I also put a simple MS-DOS batch file in the C:\KERMIT directory (which is in my PATH) named HP48.BAT to launch MS-DOS Kermit Version 3.14 with the necessary configuration and start SERVER mode: @echo off rem rem C:\KERMIT\HP48.BAT rem c:\kermit\kermit hp48setup, server, stay echo. Thanks to everyone who contributed suggestions or sent me files. --- Jim Monty monty@indirect.com Tempe, Arizona USA From news@columbia.edu Sun Apr 21 12:38:50 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA01565 for ; Sun, 21 Apr 1996 12:38:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA18356 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 21 Apr 1996 12:38:46 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!lamont.ldeo.columbia.edu!news.er.usgs.gov!stc06.ctd.ornl.gov!fnnews.fnal.gov!uwm.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.ac.net!news.serv.net!news.alt.net!news1.alt.net!news.aros.net!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: DOS-kermit 3.14 problem with Linux color ls Message-ID: <1996Apr20.172409.78653@cc.usu.edu> Date: 20 Apr 96 17:24:09 MDT References: <4jfcgh$r60@news.ccit.arizona.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 44 In article , davis@space.mit.edu (John E. Davis) writes: > On 18 Apr 96 18:11:43 MDT, Joe Doupnik > wrote: > : b) Talk with the Linux people about how to write colored displays. > : Joe D. > > I do not know exactly what you are referring to but, in my opinion, the > linux console handles color correctly. It, like `rxvt' and the new version > of color xterm (unreleased, in beta test) uses the so-called ``new-color > model'' where the CURRENT background color is used for erasing by escape > sequences that clear various regions of the screen (e.g., clear screen, > erase to end of line, etc). To my knowledge, MS-Kermit uses the old color > model where the screen is erased using the DEFAULT background color. > > This distinction has a very important impact on efficiency. For example, > suppose that default background color is BLUE and, for whatever reason, some > program wants to turn the screen RED. How can this be done? > > If the terminal erases using the CURRENT background color, this can be > achieved by setting the background color to RED and then clearing the > screen, e.g., > > ESC [ 4 1 m ESC [ 2 J > > which means that only 9 characters are needed to do this. If the terminal > erases using the DEFAULT background color and, as in this example, that > color is BLUE, this method will not work because the screen will be erased > using BLUE. As a result, if the terminal does not support an escape > sequence to set the DEFAULT background color, the program will have to set > the CURRENT color to red > > ESC [ 4 1 m > > and then write 24 x 80 = 1920 space characters for a 24x80 screen!!! > -- > John E. Davis Center for Space Research/AXAF Science Center > 617-258-8119 MIT 37-662c, Cambridge, MA 02139 > http://space.mit.edu/~davis ------------- While I understand the efficiency aspect, "new" meaning still wet from painting often strikes me as advocacy rather than compatibility. But if you guys would please look at MSK v3.14, under SET TERMINAL, see ERASE, and the two options it provides: normal-background, current-color. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sun Apr 21 17:36:32 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA25258 for ; Sun, 21 Apr 1996 17:36:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA26201 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 21 Apr 1996 17:36:31 -0400 (EDT) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!lamont.ldeo.columbia.edu!news.er.usgs.gov!stc06.ctd.ornl.gov!fnnews.fnal.gov!uwm.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!uchinews!maclean-56.rh.uchicago.edu!user From: atassi.1@osu.edu (Don Atassi) Subject: i should've gotten the manual, i know X-Nntp-Posting-Host: maclean-56.rh.uchicago.edu Message-ID: Sender: news@midway.uchicago.edu (News Administrator) Organization: Ohio State University Date: Sun, 21 Apr 1996 03:37:54 GMT Lines: 6 Hi. I intend to use OS/2 Kermit 190 (I think that's the version) for a one-time transfer of a couple of directory trees between two machines. I know I should buy the manual, but it's sort of expensive for a one-shot deal: so could someone either direct me to an FAQ or tell me how to initiate a connection between the two computers and then transfer an OS/2 directory tree (extended attributes and all)? Thanks so much. From news@columbia.edu Sun Apr 21 19:22:44 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA04647 for ; Sun, 21 Apr 1996 19:22:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA29689 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 21 Apr 1996 19:22:42 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: i should've gotten the manual, i know Date: 21 Apr 1996 23:22:25 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 16 Message-ID: <4lefvh$svk@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Don Atassi wrote: : Hi. I intend to use OS/2 Kermit 190 (I think that's the version) for a : one-time transfer of a couple of directory trees between two machines. I : know I should buy the manual, but it's sort of expensive for a one-shot : deal: so could someone either direct me to an FAQ or tell me how to : initiate a connection between the two computers and then transfer an OS/2 : directory tree (extended attributes and all)? Thanks so much. Please start by reading the CKERMIT.INF file that comes with cko191.zip. Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 * 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 * (212) 854-1344 C-Kermit 5A(191) for OS/2: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cko191.html Kermit 95 for Windows 95 : http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html From news@columbia.edu Mon Apr 22 08:13:05 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA16588 for ; Mon, 22 Apr 1996 08:12:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id IAA12218 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 22 Apr 1996 08:12:45 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!munnari.OZ.AU!news.mel.connect.com.au!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!sol.ccs.deakin.edu.au!usenet From: rmstephe@deakin.edu.au (Robin Stephens) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Getting started with Kermit 95 Date: 21 Apr 1996 11:36:38 GMT Organization: Integritas Lines: 40 Distribution: world Message-ID: <4ld6k6$q62@sol.ccs.deakin.edu.au> References: <3174B7E2.430@dial.eunet.ch> <4l6fr2$mk7@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: pc21-slip.ccs-stub.deakin.edu.au X-Newsreader: News for Windows NT X1.0-80 In article <4l6fr2$mk7@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) wrote: > : ... or I use type USER-DEFINED. However, to do this, > : I have to input (somewhere) a whole bunch of SET MODEM > : commands and this has evidently nothing to do with K95DIAL > : but with the main K95 program instead. > : > Right. All of this is explained in the file DOCS\MODEMS.DOC. > If you would like to send us the command summary for you modem, > we will be glad to do this for you. > > - Frank I have same problem, I have read modems.doc and can find no reference to where I am to put custom modem commands. I tried to add these set modem commands to K95CUSTOM.INI only to find I am still getting the same errors when I use the dialer. Following is the set modem commands for my "NetComm SmartModem M7F" set modem dial-command ATD%s\13 set modem command autoanswer on ATS0=1\13 set modem command autoanswer off ATS0=0\13 set modem command compression on AT%C3\13 set modem command compression off AT%C0\13 set modem command error-correction on AT\\N3\13 set modem command error-correction off AT\\N0\13 set modem command hangup-command ATH0\13 set modem command hardware-flow AT&K3\13 set modem command software-flow AT&K4\13 set modem command no-flow-control AT&K0\13 set modem command init-string ATM0\13 set modem command pulse ATP\13 set modem command tone ATT\13 I think these are right Robin Stephens. From news@columbia.edu Mon Apr 22 08:13:10 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA16610 for ; Mon, 22 Apr 1996 08:13:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id IAA12224 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 22 Apr 1996 08:13:08 -0400 (EDT) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!ncar!uchinews!maclean-56.rh.uchicago.edu!user From: atassi.1@osu.edu (Don Atassi) Subject: Re: i should've gotten the manual, i know X-Nntp-Posting-Host: maclean-56.rh.uchicago.edu Message-ID: Sender: news@midway.uchicago.edu (News Administrator) Organization: Ohio State University References: <4le5p8$3kf@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> <4le89t$5rm@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 00:09:54 GMT Lines: 11 In article <4le89t$5rm@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu>, rmshair@uiuc.edu (Bob Shair) wrote: > >The way I like to transfer a directory tree is: > ... deleted ... > Or you could use the XSEND.CMD, which comes with CKOkermit, and is: > /* XSEND.CMD - A C-Kermit Rexx program to transmit an entire > /* directory tree from one computer to another. Will this take care of initiating the connection and the like? I am probably just going to end up buying the manual, as this seems to be a program I want to keep around. Thanks. From news@columbia.edu Mon Apr 22 08:13:16 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA16616 for ; Mon, 22 Apr 1996 08:13:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id IAA12225 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 22 Apr 1996 08:13:10 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.mindlink.net!van-bc!unixg.ubc.ca!info.ucla.edu!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!ux2.cso.uiuc.edu!shair From: rmshair@uiuc.edu (Bob Shair) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: i should've gotten the manual, i know Date: 21 Apr 1996 20:28:24 GMT Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 29 Message-ID: <4le5p8$3kf@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: ux2.cso.uiuc.edu Originator: shair@ux2.cso.uiuc.edu atassi.1@osu.edu (Don Atassi) writes: >Hi. I intend to use OS/2 Kermit 190 (I think that's the version) for a >one-time transfer of a couple of directory trees between two machines. I >know I should buy the manual, but it's sort of expensive for a one-shot >deal: so could someone either direct me to an FAQ or tell me how to >initiate a connection between the two computers and then transfer an OS/2 >directory tree (extended attributes and all)? Thanks so much. The way I like to transfer a directory tree is: tar cvf /tmp/filename directory compress /tmp/filename ckermit -i -l 1 -b 115200 -s /tmp/filename.Z On the receiving system ckermit -l 1 -b 115200 -r uncompress /tmp/filename cd tar xvf /tmp/filename I came to OS/2 from UNIX. Those who came from DOS might prefer to use PKZIP for the same function. (Neither PKZIP nor tar/compress comes with OS/2) -- Bob Shair Open Systems Consultant 1018 W. Springfield Avenue rmshair@uiuc.edu Champaign, IL 61821 217/356-2684 From news@columbia.edu Mon Apr 22 08:24:09 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA17543 for ; Mon, 22 Apr 1996 08:24:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id IAA12398 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 22 Apr 1996 08:24:05 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: i should've gotten the manual, i know Date: 22 Apr 1996 12:23:41 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 26 Message-ID: <4lftod$c39@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4le5p8$3kf@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> <4le89t$5rm@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Don Atassi wrote: : In article <4le89t$5rm@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu>, rmshair@uiuc.edu (Bob Shair) wrote: : : > >The way I like to transfer a directory tree is: : > ... deleted ... : > Or you could use the XSEND.CMD, which comes with CKOkermit, and is: : > /* XSEND.CMD - A C-Kermit Rexx program to transmit an entire : > /* directory tree from one computer to another. : : Will this take care of initiating the connection and the like? I am : probably just going to end up buying the manual, as this seems to be a : program I want to keep around. Thanks. No. The XSEND REXX script is used just like SEND, MSEND, MOVE, MMOVE, ... You first need to make your connection. Instructions for use are in the XSEND.CMD file. Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 * 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 * (212) 854-1344 C-Kermit 5A(191) for OS/2: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cko191.html Kermit 95 for Windows 95 : http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html From news@columbia.edu Mon Apr 22 12:17:39 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA16725 for ; Mon, 22 Apr 1996 12:17:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA20256 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 22 Apr 1996 12:17:34 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!lamont.ldeo.columbia.edu!news.er.usgs.gov!stc06.ctd.ornl.gov!fnnews.fnal.gov!uwm.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!ux2.cso.uiuc.edu!shair From: rmshair@uiuc.edu (Bob Shair) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: i should've gotten the manual, i know Date: 21 Apr 1996 21:11:25 GMT Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 24 Message-ID: <4le89t$5rm@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> References: <4le5p8$3kf@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: ux2.cso.uiuc.edu Originator: shair@ux2.cso.uiuc.edu rmshair@uiuc.edu (Bob Shair) writes: >atassi.1@osu.edu (Don Atassi) writes: > >>Hi. I intend to use OS/2 Kermit 190 (I think that's the version) for a >>one-time transfer of a couple of directory trees between two machines. I >>know I should buy the manual, but it's sort of expensive for a one-shot >>deal: so could someone either direct me to an FAQ or tell me how to >>initiate a connection between the two computers and then transfer an OS/2 >>directory tree (extended attributes and all)? Thanks so much. > >The way I like to transfer a directory tree is: ... deleted ... Or you could use the XSEND.CMD, which comes with CKOkermit, and is: /* XSEND.CMD - A C-Kermit Rexx program to transmit an entire /* directory tree from one computer to another. Amazing what you can find if you look! -- Bob Shair Open Systems Consultant 1018 W. Springfield Avenue rmshair@uiuc.edu Champaign, IL 61821 217/356-2684 From news@columbia.edu Mon Apr 22 12:26:36 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA17797 for ; Mon, 22 Apr 1996 12:26:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA20595 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 22 Apr 1996 12:26:34 -0400 (EDT) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!lamont.ldeo.columbia.edu!news.er.usgs.gov!stc06.ctd.ornl.gov!fnnews.fnal.gov!uwm.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!uchinews!maclean-56.rh.uchicago.edu!user From: atassi.1@osu.edu (Don Atassi) Subject: Re: i should've gotten the manual, i know X-Nntp-Posting-Host: maclean-56.rh.uchicago.edu Message-ID: Sender: news@midway.uchicago.edu (News Administrator) Organization: Ohio State University References: <4lefvh$svk@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 00:07:17 GMT Lines: 7 In article <4lefvh$svk@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) wrote: > Please start by reading the CKERMIT.INF file that comes with cko191.zip. Have done so, thanks. It seemed to cover only things that the manual purportedly omitted. From news@columbia.edu Mon Apr 22 12:35:53 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA19167 for ; Mon, 22 Apr 1996 12:35:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA20843 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 22 Apr 1996 12:35:51 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!lamont.ldeo.columbia.edu!news.er.usgs.gov!stc06.ctd.ornl.gov!fnnews.fnal.gov!uwm.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!ux2.cso.uiuc.edu!shair From: rmshair@uiuc.edu (Bob Shair) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: i should've gotten the manual, i know Date: 22 Apr 1996 01:54:33 GMT Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 23 Message-ID: <4leosp$mov@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> References: <4le5p8$3kf@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> <4le89t$5rm@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: ux2.cso.uiuc.edu Originator: shair@ux2.cso.uiuc.edu atassi.1@osu.edu (Don Atassi) writes: >In article <4le89t$5rm@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu>, rmshair@uiuc.edu (Bob Shair) wrote: > >> >The way I like to transfer a directory tree is: >> ... deleted ... >> Or you could use the XSEND.CMD, which comes with CKOkermit, and is: >> /* XSEND.CMD - A C-Kermit Rexx program to transmit an entire >> /* directory tree from one computer to another. > >Will this take care of initiating the connection and the like? No, this would assume that you have a connection. I don't use it myself, just because I'm used to doing it the other way. >I am probably just going to end up buying the manual, as this seems to be a >program I want to keep around. Thanks. Not only is it a great program, it's a good manual. -- Bob Shair Open Systems Consultant 1018 W. Springfield Avenue rmshair@uiuc.edu Champaign, IL 61821 217/356-2684 From news@columbia.edu Mon Apr 22 17:05:24 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA28369 for ; Mon, 22 Apr 1996 17:05:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA29379 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 22 Apr 1996 17:05:20 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Getting started with Kermit 95 Date: 22 Apr 1996 21:05:06 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 49 Message-ID: <4lgsa2$sl2@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3174B7E2.430@dial.eunet.ch> <4l6fr2$mk7@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <4ld6k6$q62@sol.ccs.deakin.edu.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4ld6k6$q62@sol.ccs.deakin.edu.au>, Robin Stephens wrote: : In article <4l6fr2$mk7@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> : fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) wrote: : > : ... or I use type USER-DEFINED. However, to do this, : > : I have to input (somewhere) a whole bunch of SET MODEM : > : commands and this has evidently nothing to do with K95DIAL : > : but with the main K95 program instead. : > : : > Right. All of this is explained in the file DOCS\MODEMS.DOC. : > If you would like to send us the command summary for you modem, : > we will be glad to do this for you. : > : > - Frank : : I have same problem, I have read modems.doc and can find no : reference to where I am to put custom modem commands. I tried to : add these set modem commands to K95CUSTOM.INI only to find I : am still getting the same errors when I use the dialer. : : Following is the set modem commands for my "NetComm SmartModem M7F" : : set modem dial-command ATD%s\13 : set modem command autoanswer on ATS0=1\13 : set modem command autoanswer off ATS0=0\13 : set modem command compression on AT%C3\13 : set modem command compression off AT%C0\13 : set modem command error-correction on AT\\N3\13 : set modem command error-correction off AT\\N0\13 : set modem command hangup-command ATH0\13 : set modem command hardware-flow AT&K3\13 : set modem command software-flow AT&K4\13 : set modem command no-flow-control AT&K0\13 : set modem command init-string ATM0\13 : set modem command pulse ATP\13 : set modem command tone ATT\13 : Towards the end of your K95CUSTOM.INI file, you will see a label: :MYPREFERENCES Below this label, insert the command: set modem type user-defined and then below that command, include all of those "set modem" commands quoted above. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Apr 22 20:31:55 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA20896 for ; Mon, 22 Apr 1996 20:31:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id UAA04152 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 22 Apr 1996 20:31:49 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!ux2.cso.uiuc.edu!shair From: rmshair@uiuc.edu (Bob Shair) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.os.os2.comm Subject: Re: Mapping ^] in Ckermit 191 for OS/2 ? Date: 22 Apr 1996 23:02:07 GMT Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 17 Message-ID: <4lh35f$886@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> References: <4lgp9a$e1@gaia.ns.utk.edu> <4lgvbh$237@gaia.ns.utk.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: ux2.cso.uiuc.edu Originator: shair@ux2.cso.uiuc.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:5132 comp.os.os2.comm:6741 sad@utkux.utcc.utk.edu (Deutscher) writes: >Hi, > I deserve an egg in the face: It is right there: Hitting ^] >twice does the job, and hitting ^] and ? (as stated in the >online help) even shows this. Sorry, sorry (repeating 20 times). The easiest way to do this is to tell Kermit "Set Escape 0", and use the hard-coded ALT-X sequence for escape. That should leave ^] free for vi. -- Bob Shair Open Systems Consultant 1018 W. Springfield Avenue rmshair@uiuc.edu Champaign, IL 61821 217/356-2684 From news@columbia.edu Mon Apr 22 20:32:27 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA20935 for ; Mon, 22 Apr 1996 20:32:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id UAA04164 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 22 Apr 1996 20:32:25 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!lamont.ldeo.columbia.edu!news.er.usgs.gov!stc06.ctd.ornl.gov!fnnews.fnal.gov!uwm.edu!news.moneng.mei.com!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!senator-bedfellow.mit.edu!davis From: davis@space.mit.edu (John E. Davis) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: DOS-kermit 3.14 problem with Linux color ls Date: 22 Apr 1996 17:49:07 GMT Organization: Center for Space Research Lines: 15 Message-ID: References: <4jfcgh$r60@news.ccit.arizona.edu> <1996Apr20.172409.78653@cc.usu.edu> Reply-To: davis@space.mit.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: wiwaxia.mit.edu X-Newsreader: slrn (0.8.8 UNIX) On 20 Apr 96 17:24:09 MDT, Joe Doupnik wrote: : But if you guys would please look at MSK v3.14, under SET TERMINAL, : see ERASE, and the two options it provides: normal-background, current-color. I will look at v3.14 soon. If it has this capability, I will certainly recommend it to users of my programs. When I used to use DOS/Windows, MS-Kermit was my favorite communications program. Now I am using C-Kermit under Linux. Thanks, -- John E. Davis Center for Space Research/AXAF Science Center 617-258-8119 MIT 37-662c, Cambridge, MA 02139 http://space.mit.edu/~davis From news@columbia.edu Mon Apr 22 20:49:06 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA22417 for ; Mon, 22 Apr 1996 20:49:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id UAA04510 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 22 Apr 1996 20:49:01 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.os.os2.comm Subject: Re: Mapping ^] in Ckermit 191 for OS/2 ? Date: 23 Apr 1996 00:48:52 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 20 Message-ID: <4lh9dk$4cq@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4lgp9a$e1@gaia.ns.utk.edu> <4lgvbh$237@gaia.ns.utk.edu> <4lh35f$886@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:5134 comp.os.os2.comm:6742 In article <4lh35f$886@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu>, Bob Shair wrote: : sad@utkux.utcc.utk.edu (Deutscher) writes: : : >Hi, : > I deserve an egg in the face: It is right there: Hitting ^] : >twice does the job, and hitting ^] and ? (as stated in the : >online help) even shows this. Sorry, sorry (repeating 20 times). : : The easiest way to do this is to tell Kermit "Set Escape 0", : and use the hard-coded ALT-X sequence for escape. That should leave ^] : free for vi. But then you can't use things like Telnet AYT, IP, ... What's wrong with pressing the ESC key when you want to send escape? Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 * 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 * (212) 854-1344 C-Kermit 5A(191) for OS/2: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cko191.html Kermit 95 for Windows 95 : http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html From news@columbia.edu Mon Apr 22 21:28:40 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA25783 for ; Mon, 22 Apr 1996 21:28:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id VAA05525 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 22 Apr 1996 21:28:37 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!lamont.ldeo.columbia.edu!news.er.usgs.gov!stc06.ctd.ornl.gov!fnnews.fnal.gov!uwm.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!swrinde!sdd.hp.com!hplabs!hplntx!news.dtc.hp.com!col.hp.com!news.corp.hp.com!news From: Frank Rocchio Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit with Classic MPE machines Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 14:50:03 -0400 Organization: CNS-Customer Services Atlanta Lines: 7 Message-ID: <317BD4DB.6A0B@atl.hp.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: g3125fnr.atl.hp.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (X11; I; HP-UX A.09.01 9000/715) I am looking for success stories using Kermit with old MPE HP 3000 (classic) machines. Specifically doing file transfers to/from hp unix running a Kermit version 5A(190) ? Thanks ahead of time... Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Apr 22 21:38:42 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA26773 for ; Mon, 22 Apr 1996 21:38:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id VAA05728 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 22 Apr 1996 21:38:38 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!lamont.ldeo.columbia.edu!news.er.usgs.gov!stc06.ctd.ornl.gov!cs.utk.edu!gaia.ns.utk.edu!utkux4!sad From: sad@utkux.utcc.utk.edu (Deutscher) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.os.os2.comm Subject: Mapping ^] in Ckermit 191 for OS/2 ? Date: 22 Apr 1996 20:13:30 GMT Organization: University of Tennessee, Knoxville Lines: 34 Message-ID: <4lgp9a$e1@gaia.ns.utk.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: utkux4.utcc.utk.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:5136 comp.os.os2.comm:6745 Hi, I just discovered the wonderful use of tags / ctags in vi, just one problem I have: the key to find a particular function definition is ^] (\29) and this is also C-Kermit's connect mode escape key. This works fine when using NCSA telnet in a DOS box, probably also when using the native OS/2 telnet, but I just happen to _love_ using ckermit. So: Is there a way to re-map this in some script file? I just tried it the easy way and that failed: [F:\] C-Kermit>set key Press key to be defined: Key code \29 => Character: \29 (self, no translation) Sorry, 29 is the CONNECT-mode escape character [F:\] C-Kermit> If it's in the book just tell me so, I have it at home but I am at work right now. I'd rather not remap it in vi, unless I have to, since I am not the only one using the machines. Thanks a bunch! Stefan -- ========================================================================== Stefan A. Deutscher, sad@utk.edu, (001)-423-[522-7845|974-7838|574-5897] home^ UTK^ ORNL^ ========================================================================== If there is software you'd like to have in a native version, visit the: OS/2 E-mail Campaign Page http://www.andrews.edu/~boyko/email.html -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From news@columbia.edu Mon Apr 22 22:32:10 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA01354 for ; Mon, 22 Apr 1996 22:32:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id WAA07918 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 22 Apr 1996 22:32:08 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!lamont.ldeo.columbia.edu!news.er.usgs.gov!stc06.ctd.ornl.gov!cs.utk.edu!gaia.ns.utk.edu!utkux4!sad From: sad@utkux.utcc.utk.edu (Deutscher) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.os.os2.comm Subject: Re: Mapping ^] in Ckermit 191 for OS/2 ? Followup-To: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.os.os2.comm Date: 22 Apr 1996 21:57:05 GMT Organization: University of Tennessee, Knoxville Lines: 40 Message-ID: <4lgvbh$237@gaia.ns.utk.edu> References: <4lgp9a$e1@gaia.ns.utk.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: utkux4.utcc.utk.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:5137 comp.os.os2.comm:6747 Hi, I deserve an egg in the face: It is right there: Hitting ^] twice does the job, and hitting ^] and ? (as stated in the online help) even shows this. Sorry, sorry (repeating 20 times). Stefan Deutscher (sad@utkux.utcc.utk.edu) wrote: : Hi, : I just discovered the wonderful use of tags / ctags in vi, just : one problem I have: the key to find a particular function definition : is ^] (\29) and this is also C-Kermit's connect mode escape key. : This works fine when using NCSA telnet in a DOS box, probably also : when using the native OS/2 telnet, but I just happen to _love_ : using ckermit. So: : Is there a way to re-map this in some script file? : I just tried it the easy way and that failed: : [F:\] C-Kermit>set key : Press key to be defined: : Key code \29 => Character: \29 (self, no translation) : Sorry, 29 is the CONNECT-mode escape character : [F:\] C-Kermit> : If it's in the book just tell me so, I have it at home but I am at : work right now. : I'd rather not remap it in vi, unless I have to, since I am not the only : one using the machines. ========================================================================== Stefan A. Deutscher, sad@utk.edu, (001)-423-[522-7845|974-7838|574-5897] home^ UTK^ ORNL^ ========================================================================== If there is software you'd like to have in a native version, visit the: OS/2 E-mail Campaign Page http://www.andrews.edu/~boyko/email.html -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From news@columbia.edu Mon Apr 22 23:41:16 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA07411 for ; Mon, 22 Apr 1996 23:41:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id XAA10936 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 22 Apr 1996 23:41:14 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.os.os2.comm Subject: Re: Mapping ^] in Ckermit 191 for OS/2 ? Date: 23 Apr 1996 03:41:08 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 17 Message-ID: <4lhjgk$alm@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4lgp9a$e1@gaia.ns.utk.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:5138 comp.os.os2.comm:6749 In article <4lgp9a$e1@gaia.ns.utk.edu>, Deutscher wrote: : Hi, : I just discovered the wonderful use of tags / ctags in vi, just : one problem I have: the key to find a particular function definition : is ^] (\29) and this is also C-Kermit's connect mode escape key. : This works fine when using NCSA telnet in a DOS box, probably also : when using the native OS/2 telnet, but I just happen to _love_ : using ckermit. So: : SET ESCAPE x Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 * 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 * (212) 854-1344 C-Kermit 5A(191) for OS/2: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cko191.html Kermit 95 for Windows 95 : http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html From news@columbia.edu Tue Apr 23 21:25:36 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA11119 for ; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 21:25:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id VAA05787 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 21:25:33 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!lamont.ldeo.columbia.edu!news.er.usgs.gov!stc06.ctd.ornl.gov!fnnews.fnal.gov!uwm.edu!lll-winken.llnl.gov!ames!news.tulane.edu!usenet From: jmcbray@mailhost.tcs.tulane.edu (Jason F. McBrayer) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: i should've gotten the manual, i know Date: 23 Apr 1996 15:35:07 GMT Organization: Tulane University Lines: 33 Message-ID: <4litbb$slc@rs10.tcs.tulane.edu> References: <4le5p8$3kf@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> Reply-To: jmcbray@mailhost.tcs.tulane.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: dialup29.tcs.tulane.edu X-Newsreader: TRN for OS/2 In article <4le5p8$3kf@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu>, Bob Shair wrote: >atassi.1@osu.edu (Don Atassi) writes: > >>Hi. I intend to use OS/2 Kermit 190 (I think that's the version) for a >>one-time transfer of a couple of directory trees between two machines. I >>know I should buy the manual, but it's sort of expensive for a one-shot >>deal: so could someone either direct me to an FAQ or tell me how to >>initiate a connection between the two computers and then transfer an OS/2 >>directory tree (extended attributes and all)? Thanks so much. > >The way I like to transfer a directory tree is: >tar cvf /tmp/filename directory >compress /tmp/filename >ckermit -i -l 1 -b 115200 -s /tmp/filename.Z [snip] > >I came to OS/2 from UNIX. Those who came from DOS might prefer to use >PKZIP for the same function. (Neither PKZIP nor tar/compress comes with OS/2) > Better to use Info-ZIP, since it supports Extended Attributes and HPFS long file names. Alternately, you could SET FILE TYPE LABELLED on ckermit to preserve EA's, and use the XSEND command to send the directory tree. Both of those commands are documented in the updates file CKERMIT.INF. The original poster may need to upgrade to C-Kermit 5A(191), first. -- --------------------------------------------------------+ Jason F. McBrayer jmcbray@mailhost.tcs.tulane.edu | Cosmic indifference sure is a drag. -- Akbar (or Jeff) | From news@columbia.edu Tue Apr 23 21:30:33 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA11797 for ; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 21:30:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id VAA05892 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 21:30:30 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!lamont.ldeo.columbia.edu!news.er.usgs.gov!stc06.ctd.ornl.gov!fnnews.fnal.gov!uwm.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!EU.net!sun4nl!Leiden.NL.net!chagall.cti-software.nl!chagall.cti-software.nl!not-for-mail From: pim@chagall.cti-software.nl (Pim Zandbergen) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: can K95 run in fullscreen mode ? Date: 23 Apr 1996 15:51:48 +0200 Organization: CTI Software BV, The Hague, the Netherlands Lines: 9 Message-ID: <4lin9k$41v@chagall.cti-software.nl> NNTP-Posting-Host: chagall.cti-software.nl X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 CURRENT #4 Can K95 run in fullscreen text mode ? Like it were a fullscreen DOS app ? If this would work for Win95, would it work for NT too ? -- E-mail : Pim Zandbergen S-mail : Laan Copes van Cattenburch 70, 2585 GD The Hague, The Netherlands Phone : +31 70 3542302 Fax : +31 70 3512837 From news@columbia.edu Tue Apr 23 21:30:33 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA11796 for ; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 21:30:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id VAA05895 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 21:30:30 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!lamont.ldeo.columbia.edu!news.er.usgs.gov!stc06.ctd.ornl.gov!fnnews.fnal.gov!uwm.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!EU.net!sun4nl!Leiden.NL.net!chagall.cti-software.nl!chagall.cti-software.nl!not-for-mail From: pim@chagall.cti-software.nl (Pim Zandbergen) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Can K95 do faithful SCO ansi or AT386 emulation ? Date: 23 Apr 1996 15:54:36 +0200 Organization: CTI Software BV, The Hague, the Netherlands Lines: 9 Message-ID: <4lines$43v@chagall.cti-software.nl> NNTP-Posting-Host: chagall.cti-software.nl X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 CURRENT #4 Can K95 be configured to faithfully emulate an SCO Unix console (SCO ansi) or a UnixWare/Interactive Unix console (AT386). -- E-mail : Pim Zandbergen S-mail : Laan Copes van Cattenburch 70, 2585 GD The Hague, The Netherlands Phone : +31 70 3542302 Fax : +31 70 3512837 From news@columbia.edu Wed Apr 24 00:41:35 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA00892 for ; Wed, 24 Apr 1996 00:41:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id AAA10670 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 24 Apr 1996 00:41:32 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: can K95 run in fullscreen mode ? Date: 24 Apr 1996 04:41:26 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 13 Message-ID: <4lkbdm$ad8@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4lin9k$41v@chagall.cti-software.nl> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4lin9k$41v@chagall.cti-software.nl>, Pim Zandbergen wrote: : Can K95 run in fullscreen text mode ? Like it were a fullscreen DOS app ? : : If this would work for Win95, would it work for NT too ? Yes to both. Just press Alt-Enter to toggle between Window and Full Screen. Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 * 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 * (212) 854-1344 C-Kermit 5A(191) for OS/2: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cko191.html Kermit 95 for Windows 95 : http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html From news@columbia.edu Wed Apr 24 00:43:32 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA01261 for ; Wed, 24 Apr 1996 00:43:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id AAA10702 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 24 Apr 1996 00:43:31 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Can K95 do faithful SCO ansi or AT386 emulation ? Date: 24 Apr 1996 04:43:27 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 15 Message-ID: <4lkbhf$aec@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4lines$43v@chagall.cti-software.nl> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4lines$43v@chagall.cti-software.nl>, Pim Zandbergen wrote: : Can K95 be configured to faithfully emulate an SCO Unix console : (SCO ansi) or a UnixWare/Interactive Unix console (AT386). K95 is a faithful ANSI terminal. However, it does not provide PCTERM keyboard support. In other words, it does not send the raw UP/DOWN keystroke sequences desired by SCO Unix. Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 * 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 * (212) 854-1344 C-Kermit 5A(191) for OS/2: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cko191.html Kermit 95 for Windows 95 : http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html From news@columbia.edu Wed Apr 24 01:01:04 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA03473 for ; Wed, 24 Apr 1996 01:01:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id BAA11114 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 24 Apr 1996 01:01:01 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.corpcomm.net!newstand.syr.edu!usenet From: vefatica@syr.edu (Vincent Fatica) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: can K95 run in fullscreen mode ? Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 00:51:14 GMT Organization: Syracuse University Lines: 23 Message-ID: <317d7a8b.194356319@128.230.1.4> References: <4lin9k$41v@chagall.cti-software.nl> Reply-To: vefatica@syr.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: sudial6-236.syr.edu X-Newsreader: Forte Agent .99d/32.182 pim@chagall.cti-software.nl (Pim Zandbergen) wrote: >Can K95 run in fullscreen text mode ? Like it were a fullscreen DOS app ? Pim, I was wrong in my earlier email. When I got home from work, I tried it; it works. Once started in a console window (from a PIF or not) you can go switch to/from full screen with . If you'd like it to start in full screen mode, you can specify this on the "Screen" page of the PIF's properties. Thanks for the good question. I'll have to mention it among the "tidbits". - Vince ___ Vincent Fatica Syracuse University Mathematics vefatica@syr.edu http://barnyard.syr.edu/~vefatica/ From news@columbia.edu Wed Apr 24 15:07:06 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA04534 for ; Wed, 24 Apr 1996 15:07:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA17218 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 24 Apr 1996 15:07:03 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.os.vms,comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.os.ms-windows.win95.misc,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.misc Subject: Re: which is the best soft. Kermit95, Relfection, KEA ?? Date: 24 Apr 1996 19:06:22 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 60 Message-ID: <4llu3e$gpu@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <96042308432572@arcv01.gra.acr.gmeds.com> <1996Apr23.122245.1@eisner> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Keywords: Kermit 95 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.os.vms:125717 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:5145 comp.os.ms-windows.win95.misc:133090 comp.os.ms-windows.nt.misc:123672 In article <1996Apr23.122245.1@eisner>, Excellence is an attitude wrote: : In article <96042308432572@arcv01.gra.acr.gmeds.com>, : nguyen@arcv01.gra.acr.gmeds.com writes: : > Any one who uses these softs. please comment on this. I have not : > used Kermit95 but Reflection and KEA. I like Reflection but a little : > overprice, I think $360 back in 9/95. : > : We have been using KEAterm for the past few years and are generally : happy with it. When we began upgrading our PC systems to Windows 95 we : decided to give Kermit 95 a try. We have been VERY pleased with Kermit : 95 both in terms of performance and features. Given the far lower cost : for Kermit 95, the price/performance ratio favors Kermit 95 very much. : : The only two features in KEA that we currently miss in Kermit 95 are : true underline display and a graphic keyboard display for mapping keys. : Kermit 95 has a very powerful way to map keys so the loss of the graphic : keyboard map is not all that painful for us. I believe the folks at : Columbia will have underline support in the next release. : In the forthcoming GUI release, we will provide true underline, true blink, and true double-wide and double-high characters just like a real VT terminal (but in techicolor :-) There might be another minor release or two of the console version before the GUI version is ready. : My personal favorite feature in Kermit 95 is the ability to have screen : sizes larger than 24 by 80 characters. Having 49 lines on the PC screen : is really nice for reading text. I am not aware that either of the more : expensive products provide this feature. : And the forthcoming GUI version will support arbitrary screen sizes, not just the standard 24 x 80 or 132, 49 x 80 or 132, 55 x 80 or 132, etc. It will also allow you to change the screen size OR the font size by dragging the window corner, with automatic notification of the host (on Telnet or Rlogin connections) of the new screen dimensions. : Kermit 95 supports virtually all the file transfer protocols such as XMODEM, : YMODEM, YMODEM-G, ZMODEM and, of course, KERMIT. : : Kermit 95 provides very nice screen rollback facility. Navigation in the : rollback is easy. Use of the PC mouse is very natural and easy. : Right. In the most recent release, 1.1.4, we added searching and bookmark capabilities for the scrollback buffer too. Also note that you can make the scrollback buffer as big as you want, up to about 2 million lines, as long as your PC has the memory and swap space to handle it. Most other packages have an artificial limit on the amount of scrollback. : We are most pleased with Kermit 95. : : Just a satisfied customer, : don : Thanks! Btw, full information about Kermit 95 is available on the Web at: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Apr 24 18:57:58 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA03429 for ; Wed, 24 Apr 1996 18:57:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA22918 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 24 Apr 1996 18:57:55 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!news.new-york.net!news.iag.net!news.math.psu.edu!news.cac.psu.edu!news.cse.psu.edu!uwm.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!plug.news.pipex.net!pipex!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!dprmp3.dataprompt.com!dprmp3.dataprompt.com!not-for-mail From: dpss@dprmp3.dataprompt.com (Shujaat Siddiqui) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: C-Kermit Script is not quitting after it sends the Page Date: 24 Apr 1996 16:22:44 -0400 Organization: Data-Prompt, Inc. Lines: 64 Message-ID: <4lm2ik$4kn@dprmp3.dataprompt.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: dprmp3.dataprompt.com Hello, I am working on simple Kermit script to page the Sysyem Administrators if any Production Machine goes down. We have Linux sitting on a P.C. which is a firewall connection to the internet. I am using that machine also to check the Main Production machines out. Since we have only numaric pagers provided by our company, I am using the following Kermit Script to send the pager out. ****************** BEGINNIG OF SCRIPT ****************** set line /dev/modem ; Set for second serial port on a SPARCstation die set modem hayes ; Set for Hayes modem set local-echo on ; Echo local (doesn't seem to work) set duplex full ; Echo local (doesn't seem to work) set parity even ; Should set us to 7e1 set speed 19200 ; 1200 is max speed AirTouch seems to accept ;set output pacing 1 ; Seems needed to work with AirTouch define \%a 9,5109443 define \%b 8765432 output AT\13 input 3 OK if fail stop 1 Can't get your modem's attention output ATDT\%a,,,,,\%b##;\13 input 3 OK if fail stop 1 Can't place call output exit\13 pause 5 hangup stop 0 Script succeeded *************** END OF SCRIPT ************************* The problem I am having, is that above script does the job, which pages sends the message correctly, but it never hangup and quit the Kermit session. Could someone please give me hint to achieve it. Thanks in Advance. Also if someone could give me some hints how to get variables outside of the script instead of hard coding it in my Kermit script, so that I would be able page more than one person at time. I am using C-kermit, which is Linux. ** ******************************************************************** * Shujaat H. Siddiqui Phone: (301)622-0900 Ext: 306 * * ELM Adress: dpss@dprmp3.dataprompt.com * ******************************************************************** * * * A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds. Emerson * * * ******************************************************************** From news@columbia.edu Wed Apr 24 20:17:45 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA12473 for ; Wed, 24 Apr 1996 20:17:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id UAA25257 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 24 Apr 1996 20:17:42 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!uwm.edu!news.cse.psu.edu!news.cc.swarthmore.edu!netnews.upenn.edu!Lehigh.EDU!Lehigh.EDU!not-for-mail From: jmt7@Lehigh.EDU Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: K95 GUI? Date: 24 Apr 1996 13:47:40 -0400 Lines: 15 Message-ID: <4llpfs$36ua@ns5-1.CC.Lehigh.EDU> NNTP-Posting-Host: ns5-1.cc.lehigh.edu What is the ETA for the full-GUI release of K95? If a university puchases a site license for the current K95 version will there be an additional upgrade cost for the GUI or will this upgrade will be included in the license fee? Thanks! --------------------------------------------------------------------- John M. Troiano phone: (610)758-5060 Lehigh University Computing Center fax: (610)974-6436 Bethlehem, PA internet: jmt7@lehigh.edu From news@columbia.edu Wed Apr 24 22:13:40 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA22298 for ; Wed, 24 Apr 1996 22:13:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id WAA28555 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 24 Apr 1996 22:13:36 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!news.new-york.net!news.iag.net!news.math.psu.edu!news.cse.psu.edu!uwm.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!swrinde!sdd.hp.com!hplabs!hplntx!news.dtc.hp.com!col.hp.com!fc.hp.com!billm From: billm@fc.hp.com (Bill McKinney) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Is there a new version of Kermit for HP-UX Date: 24 Apr 1996 20:37:16 GMT Organization: Hewlett-Packard Fort Collins Site Lines: 8 Message-ID: <4lm3ds$chu@fcnews.fc.hp.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: elway.fc.hp.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2.2] Help... Does anybody know of a newer version of Kermit for HP-UX than 5A (190) for 9.x systems? Thanks, Bill McKinney 970-229-6731 Billm@fc.hp.com From news@columbia.edu Wed Apr 24 22:22:12 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA23071 for ; Wed, 24 Apr 1996 22:22:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id WAA28884 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 24 Apr 1996 22:22:09 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!lamont.ldeo.columbia.edu!zombie.ncsc.mil!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!scanner.worldgate.com!alpha3!Russell_Schulz Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.networking.misc,comp.os.netware.connectivity,comp.unix.aix,comp.protocols.kermit.misc X-Original-Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.networking.misc,comp.os.netware.connectivity,comp.unix.aix Followup-To: comp.protocols.kermit.misc From: Russell_Schulz@locutus.ofB.ORG (Russell Schulz) Reply-To: Russell_Schulz@locutus.ofB.ORG (Russell Schulz) Subject: kermit for AS/400 (was Re: Multi-platform File Transfer) Message-ID: <960424.001900.1g0.rnr.w164w_-_@locutus.ofB.ORG> Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 00:19:00 -0600 References: <31727860.2781@tkg.com> <4l43sd$550@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Organization: Private System, Edmonton, AB, Canada X-Newsreader: rnr v2.15 Lines: 13 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.os.ms-windows.networking.misc:12425 comp.os.netware.connectivity:13062 comp.unix.aix:87167 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:5149 jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) writes: > : Naw, check out Kermit... > > I would love to recommend Kermit, but we don't have Kermit for AS/400. > Many times people ask us if they can port Kermit to OS/400. And then > we never hear from them again. > So it can't be too easy. how much pain is it to write a simple kermit, if you force everything even slightly suspicious to be escaped? -- Russell_Schulz@locutus.ofB.ORG Shad 86c From news@columbia.edu Thu Apr 25 09:30:05 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA28961 for ; Thu, 25 Apr 1996 09:30:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA00205 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 25 Apr 1996 09:30:01 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: kermit for AS/400 (was Re: Multi-platform File Transfer) Date: 25 Apr 1996 13:29:23 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 75 Message-ID: <4lnunj$68@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <31727860.2781@tkg.com> <4l43sd$550@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <960424.001900.1g0.rnr.w164w_-_@locutus.ofB.ORG> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <960424.001900.1g0.rnr.w164w_-_@locutus.ofB.ORG>, Russell Schulz wrote: : jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) writes: : > : Naw, check out Kermit... : > : > I would love to recommend Kermit, but we don't have Kermit for AS/400. : > Many times people ask us if they can port Kermit to OS/400. And then : > we never hear from them again. : > So it can't be too easy. : : how much pain is it to write a simple kermit, if you force everything : even slightly suspicious to be escaped? : -- : Be my guest :-) Among the problems to be considered are: 1. Terminal i/o for the AS/400 is unlike anything else on earth. Synchronous, half-duplex, block-mode, twinaxial cable 5250 and associated controllers. 2. The file system is based on EBCDIC rather than ASCII. Granted, these problems are solvable (soluble?) since, indeed, we solved similar problems at the very beginning when designing the Kermit protocol to be "IBM-mainframe friendly". See pages 108-113 of "Kermit, A File Transfer Protocol". First, you need a way to defeat the 5250ness of the terminal (or Telnet) connection by putting it into "transparent mode". Does anybody know how to do that? Note that there is probably not just one way to do this, but "n" different ways, where "n" is the number of different 5250 control units and/or protocol converters on the market, both from IBM and from third parties. Of course, we might still be able to get through a controller even when it is not transparent using the infamous "Doomsday Kermit" extensions introduced a few years and described in Kermit News #5, June 1993, but "DDK" transfers are necessarily quite slow. (Kermit News #5 is available on the Web as http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/newsn5.html.) In any case, I would not be surprised if the APIs to the i/o subsystem are hideously complex and obscure -- nothing like "read a character, write a character" that most of us are accustomed to -- more like fill in seventeen control blocks with mysterious control words, write a channel program in assembly language and load it into the controller, start an asynchronous i/o operation, and then wait for some interrupt to happen. Just a guess. Of course, if you are an AS/400 programmer, this is your bread and butter. Second, there are numerous problems stemming from the EBCDIC file-system orientation, beginning with the program source code itself (e.g. if you were to try to port C-Kermit), which more or less assumes the ASCII collating sequence, to communications i/o (in which, for example, packet checksums or CRCs are based upon the ASCII values of the characters in the packet), not to mention the fact that any communications to the "outside" (i.e. non-5250) world is going to be translating everything between EBCDIC and ASCII... So think about it -- textual is read from the disk in EBCDIC, translated to ASCII so the checksum can be formed, the packet is then translated from ASCII back to EBCDIC so that the communications subsystem can translate back to ASCII (again)... Third... Do you also want it to be able to initiate connections? Dial out or Telnet? How would you dial out? Where is the modem? And consider how you, sitting at a block-mode 5250 terminal, would have an interactive terminal session with, say, UNIX or a BBS. The list goes on. It's not impossible, but it appears to be hard enough that nobody has yet been able to do it -- and this goes back to the System 34/36/38 days more than a decade ago, a time when we had more than a small handful of volunteer programmers eager to crank out new Kermit implementations. Go ahead, make my day :-) - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Apr 25 09:34:10 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA29548 for ; Thu, 25 Apr 1996 09:34:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA00302 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 25 Apr 1996 09:34:06 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: K95 GUI? Date: 25 Apr 1996 13:33:27 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 16 Message-ID: <4lnuv7$94@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4llpfs$36ua@ns5-1.CC.Lehigh.EDU> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4llpfs$36ua@ns5-1.CC.Lehigh.EDU>, wrote: : What is the ETA for the full-GUI release of K95? : It is still a few months off. We're working on it full-time. Current licensees will be notified as soon as a Beta version is ready for testing. : If a university puchases a site license for the current K95 version will : there be an additional upgrade cost for the GUI or will this upgrade : will be included in the license fee? : There will be no additional upgrade fee for the GUI software to any site or bulk licensee. However, any desired copies of the new manuals that will accompany the GUI version have to be purchased. - Frank