From dold@XReXXXBoot.usenet.us.com Tue Sep 26 08:33:49 2006 Path: reader2.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.media.kyoto-u.ac.jp!news-xfer.nntp.sonic.net!192.160.13.7.MISMATCH!wasp.rahul.net!192.160.13.20.MISMATCH!rahul.net!azure.rahul.net!dold From: dold@XReXXXBoot.usenet.us.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: "Boot>" prompt from a USR modem. Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2006 19:14:20 +0000 (UTC) Organization: "a2i network" Lines: 34 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: azure.rahul.net X-Trace: blue.rahul.net 1159211660 21877 192.160.13.38 (25 Sep 2006 19:14:20 GMT) X-Complaints-To: support@rahul.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2006 19:14:20 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: tin/1.6.2-20030910 ("Pabbay") (UNIX) (Linux/2.6.9-34.0.2.EL (i686)) X-Comment: Encoded From: line allows replies that preserve original subject Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15571 Igor Sobrado wrote: > dold@xxbootxxxp.usenet.us.com wrote: > > I have a US Robotics internal PCI modem, circa 2000. > > This is noted in WinXP msinfo as a > > Modem type: U.S. Robotics 56K Voice PCI > You should start looking at: > http://support.dell.com/support/edocs/comm/2513e/ Is it your modem? Looks like it, but no help there about the "Boot>" mode. I really didn't even know if it was a WinModem. I'm only running Windows on this box, it came pre-installed, and it works with various programs, including Kermit. > I guess (I do not own that modem as I am using NetBSD and OpenBSD > exclusively on all my Dell computers) that you can use the "ATGM" > command to exit the "Boot>" prompt and return to the normal mode. Aha! atgm Modem Code Corrupt ERROR That message looks like a firmware flash would help. I'm trying to get Dell to tell me if there is a firmware flash available, or if I should just throw this modem away and get a new modem. -- thanks. -- --- Clarence A Dold - Hidden Valley Lake, CA, USA GPS: 38.8,-122.5 From fdc@panix.com Tue Sep 26 08:38:05 2006 Path: reader2.panix.com!panix!not-for-mail From: Frank da Cruz Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Quick question on patch v2.2 Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 12:37:53 +0000 (UTC) Organization: PANIX Public Access Internet and UNIX, NYC Lines: 14 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: fdc@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: panix3.panix.com X-Trace: reader2.panix.com 1159274273 7915 166.84.1.3 (26 Sep 2006 12:37:53 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@panix.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 12:37:53 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0 (NetBSD) Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15572 On 2006-09-21, Scott Caissie wrote: : How does the cost work with the patch? : I currently have a site licence of 125. Is the cost 125 x $75 or just $75? : If you have a Bulk License, and your company has been paying the annual maintenance fee, then you can download and apply the upgrade patch at no cost. If your maintenance payments are not current, you either have to catch them up or else buy a new license: http://kermit.columbia.edu/k95pricing.html#bulk Direct business inquiries to kermit@columbia.edu. - Frank From igor@nospam.invalid Thu Sep 28 08:44:41 2006 Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.media.kyoto-u.ac.jp!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!newsfeed.ision.net!newsfeed2.easynews.net!ision!kanaga.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.rediris.es!newsfeed.uniovi.es!zap!not-for-mail From: Igor Sobrado Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: "Boot>" prompt from a USR modem. Date: 26 Sep 2006 16:24:00 +0200 Organization: University of Oviedo Lines: 40 Sender: igor@string1.ciencias.uniovi.es Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: string1.ciencias.uniovi.es X-Trace: localhost.localdomain 1159280642 1933 156.35.97.40 (26 Sep 2006 14:24:02 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@si.uniovi.es NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 14:24:02 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: tin/1.8.2-20060425 ("Shillay") (UNIX) (Linux/2.2.26 (i586)) Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15573 dold@xrexxxboot.usenet.us.com wrote: > Igor Sobrado wrote: > >> You should start looking at: >> http://support.dell.com/support/edocs/comm/2513e/ Is it your modem? > > Looks like it, but no help there about the "Boot>" mode. > I really didn't even know if it was a WinModem. I'm only running Windows > on this box, it came pre-installed, and it works with various programs, > including Kermit. I was only looking for a confirmation on the modem you are using. I believe that you have a winmodem, these are not very bad news in your case, though, as you have a "software" problem. But I am not sure, as Unix user I never managed winmodems. >> I guess (I do not own that modem as I am using NetBSD and OpenBSD >> exclusively on all my Dell computers) that you can use the "ATGM" >> command to exit the "Boot>" prompt and return to the normal mode. > > Aha! > atgm > Modem Code Corrupt > > ERROR > > That message looks like a firmware flash would help. > I'm trying to get Dell to tell me if there is a firmware flash available, > or if I should just throw this modem away and get a new modem. My suggestion is reading this URL: http://www.modemsite.com/56k/flashback.asp In the case of U.S. Robotics modems, there are three methods to flash firmware (to hardware modems!!!). In the case of winmodems you should try either flashing them again (if these devices have an EEPROM that can be reflashed) or reinstalling the software. Good luck! Igor. From gerberb@zenez.com Thu Sep 28 08:45:02 2006 Path: reader1.panix.com!reader2.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.media.kyoto-u.ac.jp!newscon04.news.prodigy.net!prodigy.net!newsfeed.telusplanet.net!newsfeed.telus.net!xmission!nnrp.xmission!xenau.zenez.com!gerberb From: Boyd Lynn Gerber Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit - internet - kermit - com port connection. Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 06:37:31 -0600 Organization: XMission http://www.xmission.com/ Lines: 39 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: zenez.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Trace: news.xmission.com 1159360654 15690 166.70.62.2 (27 Sep 2006 12:37:34 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@xmission.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 12:37:34 +0000 (UTC) Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15574 Hello, It has been a long time since I have had to do this and I am not doing something right. I have a linux system that uses kermit over the internet to connect to an ms kermit in server mode. What I need to do is on the ms kermit get files and send them to the main kermit system. When on the MS kermit I do the following. set port 1 set baud 9600 remote login Account get data file.name ... exit What I need to do is from the internet connect to the ms kermit and run the above providing the various file names. I have 100 different files to retrieve on 30 different systems. I want one main system to run a script and connect to each of the various systems and get/run various commands to each of the cash registers that I connect to using the above. Ideally I would like to be able to see/detect a change in the files being accessed from the MS Kermit. I have the MS Kermit in Server mode but it does not want to do the commands I am trying to send it. What does work is get files from the local drive on the MS kermit machine. I am really sure I have used a kermit to kermit connection to do this. Could any one assist with some ideas. Usually I script this, but I seem to be missing something. Thanks, -- Boyd Gerber ZENEZ 1042 East Fort Union #135, Midvale Utah 84047 From fdc@panix.com Thu Sep 28 08:53:32 2006 Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!not-for-mail From: Frank Da Cruz Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit - internet - kermit - com port connection. Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 12:53:21 +0000 (UTC) Organization: PANIX Public Access Internet and UNIX, NYC Lines: 43 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: fdc@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: panix1.panix.com X-Trace: reader1.panix.com 1159448001 16686 166.84.1.1 (28 Sep 2006 12:53:21 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@panix.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 12:53:21 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0 (NetBSD) Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15575 On 2006-09-27, Boyd Lynn Gerber wrote: : It has been a long time since I have had to do this and I am not doing : something right. : : I have a linux system that uses kermit over the internet to connect to an : ms kermit in server mode. What I need to do is on the ms kermit get : files and send them to the main kermit system. : : When on the MS kermit I do the following. : : set port 1 : set baud 9600 : remote login Account : get data file.name : ... : exit : : What I need to do is from the internet connect to the ms kermit and run : the above providing the various file names. I have 100 different files to : retrieve on 30 different systems. I want one main system to run a script : and connect to each of the various systems and get/run various commands to : each of the cash registers that I connect to using the above. Ideally I : would like to be able to see/detect a change in the files being accessed : from the MS Kermit. : : I have the MS Kermit in Server mode but it does not want to do the : commands I am trying to send it. What does work is get files from the : local drive on the MS kermit machine. I am really sure I have used a : kermit to kermit connection to do this. Could any one assist with some : ideas. Usually I script this, but I seem to be missing something. : Let's see if I understand. You have a DOS PC that is on a network. You want to make a connection to it over the network from a Linux system and then you want the DOS system to make a serial-port connection to a third system? I'm not sure I'm seeing the picture. MS-DOS Kermit can receive incoming connections over the Internet, e.g. on TCP port 3000: set port tcp/ip * 3000 or it can make connections, but it can't do both at once; that is, it can't act as a relay. Is that what you're looking for? - Frank From gerberb@zenez.com Wed Oct 18 13:13:51 2006 Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!news.maxwell.syr.edu!postnews.google.com!m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: gerberb@zenez.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit - internet - kermit - com port connection. Date: 17 Oct 2006 13:14:18 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 73 Message-ID: <1161116058.833122.189000@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.60.105.213 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Trace: posting.google.com 1161116064 11158 127.0.0.1 (17 Oct 2006 20:14:24 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 20:14:24 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.8.0.7) Gecko/20060911 SUSE/1.0.5-1.1 SeaMonkey/1.0.5,gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com; posting-host=198.60.105.213; posting-account=dcuIBwwAAACGYdN6_x6P-BpuEmzQrAjs Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15576 Frank Da Cruz wrote: > On 2006-09-27, Boyd Lynn Gerber wrote: > : It has been a long time since I have had to do this and I am not doing > : something right. > : > : I have a linux system that uses kermit over the internet to connect to an > : ms kermit in server mode. What I need to do is on the ms kermit get > : files and send them to the main kermit system. > : > : When on the MS kermit I do the following. > : > : set port 1 > : set baud 9600 > : remote login Account > : get data file.name > : ... > : exit ... > Let's see if I understand. You have a DOS PC that is on a network. > You want to make a connection to it over the network from a Linux system > and then you want the DOS system to make a serial-port connection to > a third system? I'm not sure I'm seeing the picture. MS-DOS Kermit can > receive incoming connections over the Internet, e.g. on TCP port 3000: > > set port tcp/ip * 3000 > > or it can make connections, but it can't do both at once; that is, it > can't act as a relay. Is that what you're looking for? Thanks, that is what I was trying to do. I was trying to do both. I setup ssh on the different MS boxes. They had purchased MS Kermit 3.16. I am able to ssh to the box and then after I have scp the mskermit.ini file do cd c:/kermit/backoffice/ ./kermit And it connects to the port and I am able to get all the files from the registers. ssh -luser 192.168.0.200 cd c:/kermit/backoffice/ ./kermit All the text for the files to download. but if I use ssh to execute it as a remote command... ssh -luser 192.168.0.200 c:/kermit/backoffice/kermit gives me this.... c://kermit/hbboys/backoffice/kermit IBM-PC MS-DOS Kermit: 3.16 4 May 1999 Copyright (C) Trustees of Columbia University 1982, 1999. Type ? or HELP for help MS-Kermit>^A^A^A ?Text exceeded available buffer capacity MS-Kermit> Instead of the download. Is there something that I can do to get it to run via ssh with commands? Any ideas? on what I can do to achive this? Thanks, Boyd Gerber gerberb@zenez.com From gerberb@zenez.com Wed Oct 18 13:14:29 2006 Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.media.kyoto-u.ac.jp!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!newsfeed.ision.net!newsfeed2.easynews.net!ision!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!nntp.infostrada.it!xmission!nnrp.xmission!xenau.zenez.com!gerberb From: Boyd Lynn Gerber Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Running Kermit 3.16 via copSSH on Windows XP or older Windows connected serial devices Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 14:23:41 -0600 Organization: XMission http://www.xmission.com/ Lines: 64 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: zenez.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Trace: news.xmission.com 1161116642 6418 166.70.62.2 (17 Oct 2006 20:24:02 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@xmission.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 20:24:02 +0000 (UTC) Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15577 Hello, I can not seem to remember how I used to do this. The machines with some version of MS Windows, most have Windows XP. I use kermit to talk with their store registers. The machines have a purchased copy of MS Kermit 3.16. My mskermit.ini file on these machines has set port 1 set baud 9600 PAUSE 2 REMOTE LOGIN RAIS PAUSE 2 GET datafile PAUSE 2 GET datafile1 ... EXIT till I have all the files. I thought I could use kermit via ssh to talk to the machines and directly transfer the files. Did not work. I then setup cygwin and copSSH. I am able to ssh to the machines and then I use scp to copy a mskermit.ini with the commands I need it to run. I then am able to ssh 192.168.0.200 cd /directory/files ./kermit ... and all the files are downloaded to the machine and I am able to scp them to the remote box or use scp on the remote box to get the files after kermit has run. But I am not able to get my scripts to remotely run kermit to download and then scp the files. When I try to run ssh -luser 192.168.0.200 c:/kermit/backoffice/kermit user@192.168.5.200's password: IBM-PC MS-DOS Kermit: 3.16 4 May 1999 Copyright (C) Trustees of Columbia University 1982, 1999. Type ? or HELP for help MS-Kermit>^A^A^A ?Text exceeded available buffer capacity MS-Kermit> And I am back at the prompt on the remote box and it has not run the mskermit.ini file. There has to be a way with either kermit-kermit-serial port transfer files or via ssh and run the kermit on the MS Windows machines and then scp the files. The only step I have been uable to get working is to run kermit remotely and get the files to the MS machine. Any ideas. I know I have done this in the past but I can not seem to remember how and all my googleing has not brought up a solutions. Any ideas? Thanks, -- Boyd Gerber ZENEZ 1042 East Fort Union #135, Midvale Utah 84047 From fdc@panix.com Wed Oct 18 13:23:46 2006 Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!not-for-mail From: Frank da Cruz Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Running Kermit 3.16 via copSSH on Windows XP or older Windows connected serial devices Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 17:23:17 +0000 (UTC) Organization: PANIX Public Access Internet and UNIX, NYC Lines: 57 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: fdc@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: panix2.panix.com X-Trace: reader2.panix.com 1161192197 29824 166.84.1.2 (18 Oct 2006 17:23:17 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@panix.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 17:23:17 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0 (NetBSD) Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15578 Hi Boyd. On 2006-10-17, Boyd Lynn Gerber wrote: : Hello, : : I can not seem to remember how I used to do this. The machines with some : version of MS Windows, most have Windows XP. I use kermit to talk with : their store registers. The machines have a purchased copy of MS Kermit : 3.16. : For the record: MS-DOS Kermit is just plain not supported on Windows XP. It was never intended for that platform. Kermit 95 is the supported Kermit software for Windows 95 and later. Whoever is selling software package for Windows 95 or later that includes MS-DOS Kermit instead of Kermit 95, purchased or not, is selling a misconfigured and mostly likely nonfunctional package. But if the serial-port access works OK (which can happen only on certain hardware configurations), fine. : I thought I could use kermit via ssh to talk to the machines and directly : transfer the files. Did not work. I then setup cygwin and copSSH. I am : able to ssh to the machines and then I use scp to copy a mskermit.ini with : the commands I need it to run. I then am able to : : ssh 192.168.0.200 : cd /directory/files : ./kermit : ... : : and all the files are downloaded to the machine and I am able to scp them : to the remote box or use scp on the remote box to get the files after : kermit has run. But I am not able to get my scripts to remotely run : kermit to download and then scp the files. : : When I try to run ssh -luser 192.168.0.200 c:/kermit/backoffice/kermit : : user@192.168.5.200's password: : IBM-PC MS-DOS Kermit: 3.16 4 May 1999 : Copyright (C) Trustees of Columbia University 1982, 1999. : : Type ? or HELP for help : : MS-Kermit>^A^A^A : ?Text exceeded available buffer capacity : MS-Kermit> : Why don't you use Kermit as your ssh client. Then you can script it to make the connection to the Windows ssh server, start MS-DOS Kermit and interact with it, and then use Kermit protocol to transfer files back to where you want them. It's a two-step process but it can all be done in a single script. http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ssh.html - Frank From fdc@panix.com Wed Oct 18 13:24:30 2006 Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!not-for-mail From: Frank da Cruz Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Running Kermit 3.16 via copSSH on Windows XP or older Windows connected serial devices Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 17:23:17 +0000 (UTC) Organization: PANIX Public Access Internet and UNIX, NYC Lines: 57 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: fdc@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: panix2.panix.com X-Trace: reader2.panix.com 1161192197 29824 166.84.1.2 (18 Oct 2006 17:23:17 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@panix.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 17:23:17 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0 (NetBSD) Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15578 Hi Boyd. On 2006-10-17, Boyd Lynn Gerber wrote: : Hello, : : I can not seem to remember how I used to do this. The machines with some : version of MS Windows, most have Windows XP. I use kermit to talk with : their store registers. The machines have a purchased copy of MS Kermit : 3.16. : For the record: MS-DOS Kermit is just plain not supported on Windows XP. It was never intended for that platform. Kermit 95 is the supported Kermit software for Windows 95 and later. Whoever is selling software package for Windows 95 or later that includes MS-DOS Kermit instead of Kermit 95, purchased or not, is selling a misconfigured and mostly likely nonfunctional package. But if the serial-port access works OK (which can happen only on certain hardware configurations), fine. : I thought I could use kermit via ssh to talk to the machines and directly : transfer the files. Did not work. I then setup cygwin and copSSH. I am : able to ssh to the machines and then I use scp to copy a mskermit.ini with : the commands I need it to run. I then am able to : : ssh 192.168.0.200 : cd /directory/files : ./kermit : ... : : and all the files are downloaded to the machine and I am able to scp them : to the remote box or use scp on the remote box to get the files after : kermit has run. But I am not able to get my scripts to remotely run : kermit to download and then scp the files. : : When I try to run ssh -luser 192.168.0.200 c:/kermit/backoffice/kermit : : user@192.168.5.200's password: : IBM-PC MS-DOS Kermit: 3.16 4 May 1999 : Copyright (C) Trustees of Columbia University 1982, 1999. : : Type ? or HELP for help : : MS-Kermit>^A^A^A : ?Text exceeded available buffer capacity : MS-Kermit> : Why don't you use Kermit as your ssh client. Then you can script it to make the connection to the Windows ssh server, start MS-DOS Kermit and interact with it, and then use Kermit protocol to transfer files back to where you want them. It's a two-step process but it can all be done in a single script. http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ssh.html - Frank From gerberb@zenez.com Mon Oct 23 08:40:24 2006 Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.media.kyoto-u.ac.jp!border2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!postnews.google.com!m7g2000cwm.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: gerberb@zenez.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Running Kermit 3.16 via copSSH on Windows XP or older Windows connected serial devices Date: 18 Oct 2006 12:10:08 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 157 Message-ID: <1161198608.243145.251630@m7g2000cwm.googlegroups.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.60.105.213 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Trace: posting.google.com 1161198613 26867 127.0.0.1 (18 Oct 2006 19:10:13 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 19:10:13 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.8.0.7) Gecko/20060911 SUSE/1.0.5-1.1 SeaMonkey/1.0.5,gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: m7g2000cwm.googlegroups.com; posting-host=198.60.105.213; posting-account=dcuIBwwAAACGYdN6_x6P-BpuEmzQrAjs Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15579 Frank da Cruz wrote: > On 2006-10-17, Boyd Lynn Gerber wrote: .> : I can not seem to remember how I used to do this. The machines with some > : version of MS Windows, most have Windows XP. I use kermit to talk with > : their store registers. The machines have a purchased copy of MS Kermit > : 3.16. > : > For the record: MS-DOS Kermit is just plain not supported on Windows XP. It > was never intended for that platform. Kermit 95 is the supported Kermit > software for Windows 95 and later. They were purchased around the year 2000. +/- a year or two. > But if the serial-port access works OK (which can happen only on certain > hardware configurations), fine. They have been using this setup to talk to their registers since 1992/4. They have used many different version of kermit. > : ssh 192.168.0.200 > : cd /directory/files > : ./kermit > : ... > : > : and all the files are downloaded to the machine and I am able to scp them > : to the remote box or use scp on the remote box to get the files after > : kermit has run. But I am not able to get my scripts to remotely run > : kermit to download and then scp the files. > : I know kermit can use ssh, So I get the same thing. But to eliminate scripting errors.. On linux I type kermit linux-aostester:/zenez/work # kermit C-Kermit 8.0.211, 10 Apr 2004, for Linux Copyright (C) 1985, 2004, Trustees of Columbia University in the City of New York. Type ? or HELP for help. (/zenez/work/) C-Kermit> ssh boyd@192.168.5.200 Closing connection Connecting via command "ssh -e none boyd@192.168.5.200" Escape character: Ctrl-\ (ASCII 28, FS): enabled Type the escape character followed by C to get back, or followed by ? to see other options. ---------------------------------------------------- boyd@192.168.5.200's password: Last login: Tue Oct 17 12:10:02 2006 from 192.168.5.125 boyd@pos1 ~ $ cd c:/kermit/hbboys/backoffice boyd@pos1 /cygdrive/c/kermit/hbboys/backoffice $ ./kermit IBM-PC MS-DOS Kermit: 3.16 4 May 1999 Copyright (C) Trustees of Columbia University 1982, 1999. Type ? or HELP for help MS-DOS Kermit: 3.16 4 May 1999 patch level 0 File name: File type: Current path: KBytes transferred: Number of packets: Packet length: Number of retries: 0 Last error: Last message: Receiving: In progress 113 2 12 113 2DATA01.SDFTEXT, Transparent to CP43794 30 451 6789102 .... till all the files are done. The same happens with ssh to the machine. $ exit logout Connection to 192.168.5.200 closed. Communications disconnect (Back at linux-aostester.aos) ---------------------------------------------------- (/zenez/work/) C-Kermit>ssh boyd@192.168.5.200 c:/kermit/hbboys/backoffice/kermit Closing connection Connecting via command "ssh -e none boyd@192.168.5.200 c:/kermit/hbboys/backoffice/kermit" Escape character: Ctrl-\ (ASCII 28, FS): enabled Type the escape character followed by C to get back, or followed by ? to see other options. ---------------------------------------------------- boyd@192.168.5.200's password: IBM-PC MS-DOS Kermit: 3.16 4 May 1999 Copyright (C) Trustees of Columbia University 1982, 1999. Type ? or HELP for help MS-Kermit>^A^A^A ?Text exceeded available buffer capacity MS-Kermit> Communications disconnect (Back at linux-aostester.aos) ---------------------------------------------------- (/zenez/work/) C-Kermit> So I really did not gain anything. It does not matter whether I use ssh or kermit to talk to the machine I always get the same ... > :When I try to run ssh -luser 192.168.0.200 c:/kermit/backoffice/kermit > : > : user@192.168.5.200's password: > : IBM-PC MS-DOS Kermit: 3.16 4 May 1999 > : Copyright (C) Trustees of Columbia University 1982, 1999. > : > : Type ? or HELP for help > : > : MS-Kermit>^A^A^A > : ?Text exceeded available buffer capacity > : MS-Kermit> > : > Why don't you use Kermit as your ssh client. Then you can script it > to make the connection to the Windows ssh server, start MS-DOS Kermit > and interact with it, and then use Kermit protocol to transfer files > back to where you want them. It's a two-step process but it can all be > done in a single script. I tried and I still have the same problem. That is why I thought I should eliminate kermit ssh to kermit. Some of these machine are still running DOS with ancient ssh 1 server. I am trying to get them to replace upgrade all the machines. They will not give up MS OS's on these machines. I have almost convinced them to buy new machines and Kermit 95, but they insiston my proving to them over a 90 day test trial that updated Kermit will work. I see that I can only get a 21 day test trial. Unfortunately on the machine I have available I demo-ed kermit 95 a year ago and I can not get a new installation to work. I removed Kermit 95 7 days before the trial was over but I guess something stays on the machine so I am unable to try it to see if just replacing the MS Kermit with Kermit 95 will work. They also have the 90 demo mandated. All have the exact same problem trying to automate them. My original intention was to use kermit for everything. I have to talk to about 30 different locations all connected via CISCO VPN's > http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ssh.html Thanks, Boyd Gerber gerberb@zenez.com From gerberb@zenez.com Mon Oct 23 08:40:48 2006 Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.media.kyoto-u.ac.jp!border2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!postnews.google.com!h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: gerberb@zenez.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Running Kermit 3.16 via copSSH on Windows XP or older Windows connected serial devices Date: 18 Oct 2006 15:22:29 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 33 Message-ID: <1161210149.297901.23150@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> References: <1161198608.243145.251630@m7g2000cwm.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.60.105.213 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Trace: posting.google.com 1161210154 24387 127.0.0.1 (18 Oct 2006 22:22:34 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 22:22:34 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: <1161198608.243145.251630@m7g2000cwm.googlegroups.com> User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.8.0.7) Gecko/20060911 SUSE/1.0.5-1.1 SeaMonkey/1.0.5,gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com; posting-host=198.60.105.213; posting-account=dcuIBwwAAACGYdN6_x6P-BpuEmzQrAjs Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15580 gerberb@zenez.com wrote: > Frank da Cruz wrote: > > On 2006-10-17, Boyd Lynn Gerber wrote: > .> : I can not seem to remember how I used to do this. The machines > with some > > : version of MS Windows, most have Windows XP. I use kermit to talk with > > : their store registers. The machines have a purchased copy of MS Kermit > > : 3.16. > > : > > For the record: MS-DOS Kermit is just plain not supported on Windows XP. It > > was never intended for that platform. Kermit 95 is the supported Kermit > > software for Windows 95 and later. > > They were purchased around the year 2000. +/- a year or two. > > > But if the serial-port access works OK (which can happen only on certain > > hardware configurations), fine. k95 errors and dies every time. On the REMOTE LOGIN RAIS k95 wants to send an error report to Microsoft. I am unable to establish a remote connection. On the sysetm I enter k95 I always have to enter try. I am unable to even run it from kermit on linux. Given what I am seeing I would avoid Kermit 95 like the plague. From jaltman2@nyc.rr.com Mon Oct 23 08:41:41 2006 Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newspeer1.nwr.nac.net!newspeer.monmouth.com!news-east.rr.com!news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com!news-feed-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com!news.rr.com!news-out.nyc.rr.com!news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail From: Jeffrey Altman User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (Windows/20060909) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Running Kermit 3.16 via copSSH on Windows XP or older Windows connected serial devices References: <1161198608.243145.251630@m7g2000cwm.googlegroups.com> <1161210149.297901.23150@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> In-Reply-To: <1161210149.297901.23150@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 52 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 23:43:35 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.175.91.105 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com 1161215015 68.175.91.105 (Wed, 18 Oct 2006 19:43:35 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 19:43:35 EDT Organization: Road Runner High Speed Online http://www.rr.com Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15581 gerberb@zenez.com wrote: > gerberb@zenez.com wrote: >> Frank da Cruz wrote: >>> On 2006-10-17, Boyd Lynn Gerber wrote: >> .> : I can not seem to remember how I used to do this. The machines >> with some >>> : version of MS Windows, most have Windows XP. I use kermit to talk with >>> : their store registers. The machines have a purchased copy of MS Kermit >>> : 3.16. >>> : >>> For the record: MS-DOS Kermit is just plain not supported on Windows XP. It >>> was never intended for that platform. Kermit 95 is the supported Kermit >>> software for Windows 95 and later. >> They were purchased around the year 2000. +/- a year or two. >> >>> But if the serial-port access works OK (which can happen only on certain >>> hardware configurations), fine. > > k95 errors and dies every time. > > On the REMOTE LOGIN RAIS > > k95 wants to send an error report to Microsoft. I am unable to > establish a remote connection. > > On the sysetm > > I enter k95 > I always have to enter try. > > I am unable to even run it from kermit on linux. Given what I am > seeing I would avoid Kermit 95 like the plague. I doubt that you can do what you want with Kermit 95. You are trying to run an ssh server on Windows and execute Kermit 95 as a subprocess of the ssh server and use it as if it were a remote kermit file transfer engine. That is not what Kermit 95 is designed to do. Kermit 95 assumes it has control over a GUI window or a Console window. Under the ssh server it has neither. I'm not surprised it crashes. I wouldn't waste my time with it either under this scenario. If you are using the cygwin ssh server even more so because the cygwin environment is a bit special. You really need to run programs compiled with the cygwin runtime under the cygwin ssh server. If I were you I would compile gkermit under cygwin and use that under the ssh kermit. Kermit 95 is a perfectly good ssh client but it should not be used on the server side. Jeffrey Altman From fdc@panix.com Mon Oct 23 15:22:59 2006 Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!not-for-mail From: Frank da Cruz Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Running Kermit 3.16 via copSSH on Windows XP or older Windows connected serial devices Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 14:53:30 +0000 (UTC) Organization: PANIX Public Access Internet and UNIX, NYC Lines: 26 Message-ID: References: <1161198608.243145.251630@m7g2000cwm.googlegroups.com> <1161210149.297901.23150@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> Reply-To: fdc@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: panix1.panix.com X-Trace: reader2.panix.com 1161615210 15477 166.84.1.1 (23 Oct 2006 14:53:30 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@panix.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 14:53:30 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0 (NetBSD) Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15582 On 2006-10-18, Jeffrey Altman wrote: : I doubt that you can do what you want with Kermit 95. You are : trying to run an ssh server on Windows and execute Kermit 95 as a : subprocess of the ssh server and use it as if it were a remote kermit : file transfer engine. That is not what Kermit 95 is designed to do. : Kermit 95 assumes it has control over a GUI window or a Console window. : Under the ssh server it has neither. I'm not surprised it crashes. : I wouldn't waste my time with it either under this scenario. : : If you are using the cygwin ssh server even more so because the cygwin : environment is a bit special. You really need to run programs compiled : with the cygwin runtime under the cygwin ssh server. : : If I were you I would compile gkermit under cygwin and use that under : the ssh kermit. : : Kermit 95 is a perfectly good ssh client but it should not be used : on the server side. : Another idea: Do you have to use SSH? If you could use Telnet instead, then you could have Kermit 95 on the remote end in its Internet Kermit Service guise: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/wiksd.html - Frank From slash_dev_slash_null_2000@yahoo.com Mon Oct 30 09:04:24 2006 Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.media.kyoto-u.ac.jp!newsfeed.icl.net!proxad.net!216.239.36.134.MISMATCH!postnews.google.com!e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: "Mark Sapiro" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit - internet - kermit - com port connection. Date: 27 Oct 2006 07:56:21 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 18 Message-ID: <1161960981.261637.300710@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com> References: <1161116058.833122.189000@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.183.193.239 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Trace: posting.google.com 1161960987 3321 127.0.0.1 (27 Oct 2006 14:56:27 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 14:56:27 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.5) Gecko/20060912 Netscape/8.1.2,gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com; posting-host=68.183.193.239; posting-account=iQNWIg0AAAAD2fStXNC9nwGlPdSqjWrI Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15583 gerberb@zenez.com wrote: > > but if I use ssh to execute it as a remote command... > > ssh -luser 192.168.0.200 c:/kermit/backoffice/kermit Have you tried ssh -enone -luser 192.168.0.200 c:/kermit/backoffice/kermit -- (for email use this address please - you can figure it out) Mark Sapiro msapiro at value net Any clod can have the facts; San Francisco Bay Area, California having opinions is an art. - C. McCabe, The Fearless Spectator From scottac@nb.sympatico.ca Wed Nov 8 10:41:47 2006 Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!logbridge.uoregon.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!News.Dal.Ca!ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca!53ab2750!not-for-mail From: "Scott Caissie" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: list of built in macros? Lines: 7 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Original Message-ID: <6VW3h.15660$cz.253545@ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca> Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2006 07:50:26 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 142.167.32.152 X-Complaints-To: abuse@aliant.net X-Trace: ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca 1162885826 142.167.32.152 (Tue, 07 Nov 2006 03:50:26 AST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2006 03:50:26 AST Organization: Aliant Internet Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15584 Simple question. Is there a list of built in macros which can be configured? ON_EXIT, and ON_UNKNOWN_ERROR are the types that I'm referring to. I currently use K95 2.1.3 - Scott From fdc@panix.com Wed Nov 8 10:41:53 2006 Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!not-for-mail From: Frank Da Cruz Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: list of built in macros? Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 15:41:27 +0000 (UTC) Organization: PANIX Public Access Internet and UNIX, NYC Lines: 27 Message-ID: References: <6VW3h.15660$cz.253545@ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca> Reply-To: fdc@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: panix1.panix.com X-Trace: reader2.panix.com 1163000487 14637 166.84.1.1 (8 Nov 2006 15:41:27 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@panix.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 15:41:27 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0 (NetBSD) Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15585 On 2006-11-07, Scott Caissie wrote: : Simple question. Is there a list of built in macros which can be configured? : ON_EXIT, and ON_UNKNOWN_ERROR are the types that I'm referring to. : I currently use K95 2.1.3 : If you start Kermit 95 or C-Kermit in such a way that it does not execute its initialization file (e.g. "kermit -Y") and then type "do ?" at the prompt, you'll get a list of the predefined macros, which are: cautious fatal manual fast ibm-linemode robust The ON_blah macros are not predefined, but their names are "well known", such that if a given event occurs, and the corresponding macro is defined, it is executed automatically. At present, these are: Name: When executed: ON_CD whenever a CD command is given ON_CLOSE any time a connection is closed ON_CTRLC upon Ctrl-C (interruption from keyboard) ON_EXIT when Kermit exits ON_LOGOUT upon logout (Internet Kermit Service only) ON_OPEN any time a connection is opened ON_UNKNOWN_COMMAND whenever an unknown top-level command is given - Frank From scottac@nb.sympatico.ca Wed Nov 8 17:07:00 2006 Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!logbridge.uoregon.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!News.Dal.Ca!ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca!53ab2750!not-for-mail From: "Scott Caissie" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: SSH Timeout help Lines: 31 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Original Message-ID: Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2006 21:07:48 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 142.167.32.152 X-Complaints-To: abuse@aliant.net X-Trace: ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca 1163020068 142.167.32.152 (Wed, 08 Nov 2006 17:07:48 AST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2006 17:07:48 AST Organization: Aliant Internet Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15586 We just moved over to SSH. Using K95 2.1.3. We are now suddenly having issues with idle timeouts. Specifically 1 hour. Times you out even on active sessions. I'm having problems finding an SSH setting that relates to that. Been looking around as to how to fix that. The Set Terminal Idle-Timeout/Action doesn't seem to have any role in this. I was looking at the patch notes (Jeffrey's v2.2), and the answer seems to be there. (listed below). Any info or clues related to SSH timeouts would be greatly appricated. ---------------------------------- 760. NEW FEATURE: SSH Heartbeats to maintain connections through NAT/Firewalls A new command SET SSH HEARTBEAT-INTERVAL has been added to the next release to allow the SSH to be maintained during long idle periods. This is similar to the SET TERMINAL IDLE-ACTION TELNET-NOP SET TERMINAL IDLE-TIMEOUT which can be used to preserve TELNET connections without actually sending data to the host applications. From fdc@panix.com Wed Nov 8 17:25:19 2006 Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!not-for-mail From: Frank da Cruz Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: SSH Timeout help Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 22:20:47 +0000 (UTC) Organization: PANIX Public Access Internet and UNIX, NYC Lines: 35 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: fdc@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: panix2.panix.com X-Trace: reader2.panix.com 1163024447 2605 166.84.1.2 (8 Nov 2006 22:20:47 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@panix.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 22:20:47 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0 (NetBSD) Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15587 On 2006-11-08, Scott Caissie wrote: : We just moved over to SSH. Using K95 2.1.3. : We are now suddenly having issues with idle timeouts. Specifically 1 hour. : Times you out even on active sessions. : I'm having problems finding an SSH setting that relates to that. : There isn't one in version 2.1.3. : Been looking around as to how to fix that. The Set Terminal : Idle-Timeout/Action doesn't seem to have any role in this. : For the present, you can use SET TERMINAL IDLE-ACTION OUTPUT xxx for this, together with a suitable SET TERMINAL IDLE-TIMEOUT. xxx would be one or more characters that is/are likely to be ignored by or at least relatively harmless to whatever application is running on the host. Such as a Space or a Nul character. : I was looking at the patch notes (Jeffrey's v2.2), and the answer seems to : be there. (listed below). Any info or clues related to SSH timeouts would : be greatly appricated. : SET SSH HEARTBEAT-INTERVAL will indeed be in the next release. I have been working almost nonstop for more than year to get authorization for this release. It so happens that we are at a critical juncture in the negotiations right now. (I'm not talking about Jeff, this is internal university stuff.) Some words of encouragement from institutional or corporate clients as to the value of K95 to their organizations, and its continued viability through the next 3-5 years could be helpful in this connection. Address these directly to me if you wish to keep them private. - Frank fdc@columbia.edu From fdc@panix.com Wed Nov 8 17:25:25 2006 Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!not-for-mail From: Frank Da Cruz Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: SSH Timeout help Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 22:25:09 +0000 (UTC) Organization: PANIX Public Access Internet and UNIX, NYC Lines: 15 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: fdc@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: panix2.panix.com X-Trace: reader2.panix.com 1163024709 2605 166.84.1.2 (8 Nov 2006 22:25:09 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@panix.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 22:25:09 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0 (NetBSD) Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15588 On 2006-11-08, Scott Caissie wrote: : We just moved over to SSH. Using K95 2.1.3. : We are now suddenly having issues with idle timeouts. Specifically 1 hour. : Times you out even on active sessions. : Addressing this one sepately... Who/what is closing the session? Obviously it's not Kermit. It's either the host you're ssh'd to, or it's a NAT or router or somesuch in between. I use K95 SSH all day every day and have never seen a problem like this, but then I'm not dealing with firewalls or NATs either. You should begin by finding out where this 1-hour timer is set. Maybe the place where this occurs does not care if the session is idle, it's simply an elapsed-time limit on the session. But it's not in Kermit. - Frank From dold@XReXXSSHXT.usenet.us.com Thu Nov 9 10:44:54 2006 Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!logbridge.uoregon.edu!tethys.csu.net!newshub.sdsu.edu!newsfeed.news2me.com!nntp1.phx1.gblx.net!nntp.gblx.net!nntp.gblx.net!wasp.rahul.net!192.160.13.20.MISMATCH!rahul.net!azure.rahul.net!dold From: dold@XReXXSSHXT.usenet.us.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: SSH Timeout help Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 00:07:12 +0000 (UTC) Organization: "a2i network" Lines: 23 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: azure.rahul.net X-Trace: blue.rahul.net 1163030832 28013 192.160.13.38 (9 Nov 2006 00:07:12 GMT) X-Complaints-To: support@rahul.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 00:07:12 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: tin/1.6.2-20030910 ("Pabbay") (UNIX) (Linux/2.6.9-34.0.2.EL (i686)) X-Comment: Encoded From: line allows replies that preserve original subject Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15589 Frank Da Cruz wrote: > Addressing this one sepately... Who/what is closing the session? Obviously > it's not Kermit. It's either the host you're ssh'd to, or it's a NAT or > router or somesuch in between. I use K95 SSH all day as well, with many sessions open. Some of the sessions stay open for days with no activity. Two of the sessions consistently close during a period of inactivity. One is to a ksh prompt on a Unix server that is supposed to be very secure, and probably has various timeouts set. The other is out through a firewall. In both cases, I have little reason to suspect that it is kermit, since connecting to the outside server from the outside, without going through the firewall, can sit idle for hours. In both cases, I think it is aggressive "security" tuning by the same network admins. -- --- Clarence A Dold - Hidden Valley Lake, CA, USA GPS: 38.8,-122.5 From arthur.marsh@internode.on.net Thu Nov 9 10:45:21 2006 Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.media.kyoto-u.ac.jp!ken-transit.news.telstra.net!lon-in.news.telstra.net!news.telstra.net!news-server.bigpond.net.au!53ab2750!not-for-mail From: Arthur Marsh User-Agent: Icedove 1.5.0.7 (X11/20061013) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: SSH Timeout help References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: Lines: 44 Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2006 01:27:26 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 124.178.205.28 X-Complaints-To: abuse@bigpond.net.au X-Trace: news-server.bigpond.net.au 1163035646 124.178.205.28 (Thu, 09 Nov 2006 12:27:26 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2006 12:27:26 EST Organization: BigPond Internet Services Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15590 Frank da Cruz wrote, On 2006-11-09 08:50: > On 2006-11-08, Scott Caissie wrote: > : We just moved over to SSH. Using K95 2.1.3. > : We are now suddenly having issues with idle timeouts. Specifically 1 hour. > : Times you out even on active sessions. > : I'm having problems finding an SSH setting that relates to that. > : > There isn't one in version 2.1.3. > > : Been looking around as to how to fix that. The Set Terminal > : Idle-Timeout/Action doesn't seem to have any role in this. > : > For the present, you can use SET TERMINAL IDLE-ACTION OUTPUT xxx for this, > together with a suitable SET TERMINAL IDLE-TIMEOUT. xxx would be one > or more characters that is/are likely to be ignored by or at least relatively > harmless to whatever application is running on the host. Such as a Space > or a Nul character. > > : I was looking at the patch notes (Jeffrey's v2.2), and the answer seems to > : be there. (listed below). Any info or clues related to SSH timeouts would > : be greatly appricated. > : > SET SSH HEARTBEAT-INTERVAL will indeed be in the next release. > > I have been working almost nonstop for more than year to get authorization > for this release. It so happens that we are at a critical juncture in the > negotiations right now. (I'm not talking about Jeff, this is internal > university stuff.) Some words of encouragement from institutional or > corporate clients as to the value of K95 to their organizations, and its > continued viability through the next 3-5 years could be helpful in this > connection. "Preaching from the choir" here but having K95 available for Windows XX with all its features (e.g. from scripting that is compatible with C-Kermit scripting to more obscure security options like SRP over SSH) is a great way not to get trapped in Windows. > > Address these directly to me if you wish to keep them private. > > - Frank > fdc@columbia.edu Arthur. From scottac@nb.sympatico.ca Thu Nov 9 10:46:47 2006 Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!logbridge.uoregon.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!News.Dal.Ca!ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca!53ab2750!not-for-mail From: "Scott Caissie" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc References: Subject: Re: SSH Timeout help Lines: 35 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Original Message-ID: Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2006 07:01:59 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 142.167.32.152 X-Complaints-To: abuse@aliant.net X-Trace: ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca 1163055719 142.167.32.152 (Thu, 09 Nov 2006 03:01:59 AST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2006 03:01:59 AST Organization: Aliant Internet Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15591 The 1 hour issue is what we're trying to track down. Didn't occur until we upgraded the logon security. We've got a number of clues from various tests. Could be network, or server, related and not Kermit as a client related. Relavent commands we have so far that worked fine before: Set Terminal Idle-Timeout 0 Set Terminal Idle-Action Return But this feedback does help eliminate K95 as the cause. But if so, then perhaps the patch fix won't help in this regard. - Scott "Frank Da Cruz" wrote in message news:slrnel4ma5.lfs.fdc@panix2.panix.com... > On 2006-11-08, Scott Caissie wrote: > : We just moved over to SSH. Using K95 2.1.3. > : We are now suddenly having issues with idle timeouts. Specifically 1 > hour. > : Times you out even on active sessions. > : > Addressing this one sepately... Who/what is closing the session? > Obviously > it's not Kermit. It's either the host you're ssh'd to, or it's a NAT or > router or somesuch in between. I use K95 SSH all day every day and have > never > seen a problem like this, but then I'm not dealing with firewalls or NATs > either. You should begin by finding out where this 1-hour timer is set. > Maybe the place where this occurs does not care if the session is idle, > it's simply an elapsed-time limit on the session. But it's not in Kermit. > > - Frank > From mortier@locean-ipsl.upmc.fr Mon Nov 20 11:09:08 2006 Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!news.maxwell.syr.edu!postnews.google.com!b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: "mortier" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: ringing Date: 19 Nov 2006 05:05:55 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 11 Message-ID: <1163941555.189342.180010@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 81.57.18.151 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Trace: posting.google.com 1163941560 15331 127.0.0.1 (19 Nov 2006 13:06:00 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2006 13:06:00 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; fr; rv:1.8.0.3) Gecko/20060426 Firefox/1.5.0.3,gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com; posting-host=81.57.18.151; posting-account=jw5YvA0AAAA0Aej0_tk88B_XbXa4B4dO Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15592 Hello, I'm a beginner as a kermit user so my question may be already answered in the FAQ but I could find it. I use kermit to communicate with a sea robot by iridium phone. How to make my terminal ringing (an audible ring lasting for while in order to wake up a person) when the robot calls the terminal ? Thank you very much, Laurent From fdc@panix.com Mon Nov 20 11:26:14 2006 Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!not-for-mail From: Frank da Cruz Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: ringing Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 16:26:06 +0000 (UTC) Organization: PANIX Public Access Internet and UNIX, NYC Lines: 29 Message-ID: References: <1163941555.189342.180010@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> Reply-To: fdc@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: panix1.panix.com X-Trace: reader2.panix.com 1164039966 3307 166.84.1.1 (20 Nov 2006 16:26:06 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@panix.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 16:26:06 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0 (NetBSD) Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15593 On 2006-11-19, mortier wrote: : I'm a beginner as a kermit user so my question may be already answered : in the FAQ but I could find it. : : I use kermit to communicate with a sea robot by iridium phone. How to : make my terminal ringing (an audible ring lasting for while in order to : wake up a person) when the robot calls the terminal ? : So you have a Kermit script running on your computer, and this script contains an ANSWER command? You could do something like this: set ask-timer 2 if success { local x set quiet on echo YOU HAVE A CALL at \v(time). echo Press any key to start session... while true { getc x \7\7\7\7\7\7\7\7\7\7 if success break sleep 1 } } set ask-timer 0 connect - Frank From texasredleg@gmail.com Fri Dec 1 16:43:05 2006 Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.media.kyoto-u.ac.jp!newsfeed.news2me.com!news-out.readnews.com!news-xxxfer.readnews.com!postnews.google.com!j44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: texasredleg@gmail.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: How many licenses? Date: 1 Dec 2006 08:20:34 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 12 Message-ID: <1164990034.617350.125360@j44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 67.153.206.82 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Trace: posting.google.com 1164990040 1725 127.0.0.1 (1 Dec 2006 16:20:40 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2006 16:20:40 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.8.0.8) Gecko/20061025 Firefox/1.5.0.8,gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: j44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com; posting-host=67.153.206.82; posting-account=gXc1tgwAAABXI_WcLjR_AnnXqczn0rH2 Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15594 Hello from South Texas: I think I intuitively know the answer to this....but: If I'm transferring data from 3 distant servers to one target server using Kermit 95, how many licenses do I need? 3 or 4? Thank you, John T. San Antonio, Texas USA From jaltman2@nyc.rr.com Fri Dec 1 16:43:12 2006 Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newspeer1.nwr.nac.net!newspeer.monmouth.com!news-east.rr.com!news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com!news-feed-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com!news.rr.com!news-out.nyc.rr.com!news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail From: Jeffrey Altman User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.8 (Windows/20061025) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: How many licenses? References: <1164990034.617350.125360@j44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> In-Reply-To: <1164990034.617350.125360@j44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 15 Message-ID: <%O%bh.23284$tb6.12159@news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com> Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2006 19:57:47 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.175.91.105 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com 1165003067 68.175.91.105 (Fri, 01 Dec 2006 14:57:47 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2006 14:57:47 EST Organization: Road Runner High Speed Online http://www.rr.com Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15595 You need one license per machine that Kermit 95 is installed on. texasredleg@gmail.com wrote: > Hello from South Texas: > > I think I intuitively know the answer to this....but: > > If I'm transferring data from 3 distant servers to one target server > using Kermit 95, how many licenses do I need? 3 or 4? > > Thank you, > > John T. > San Antonio, Texas USA > From texasredleg@gmail.com Fri Dec 1 16:43:05 2006 Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.media.kyoto-u.ac.jp!newsfeed.news2me.com!news-out.readnews.com!news-xxxfer.readnews.com!postnews.google.com!j44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: texasredleg@gmail.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: How many licenses? Date: 1 Dec 2006 08:20:34 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 12 Message-ID: <1164990034.617350.125360@j44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 67.153.206.82 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Trace: posting.google.com 1164990040 1725 127.0.0.1 (1 Dec 2006 16:20:40 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2006 16:20:40 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.8.0.8) Gecko/20061025 Firefox/1.5.0.8,gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: j44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com; posting-host=67.153.206.82; posting-account=gXc1tgwAAABXI_WcLjR_AnnXqczn0rH2 Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15594 Hello from South Texas: I think I intuitively know the answer to this....but: If I'm transferring data from 3 distant servers to one target server using Kermit 95, how many licenses do I need? 3 or 4? Thank you, John T. San Antonio, Texas USA From jaltman2@nyc.rr.com Fri Dec 1 16:43:12 2006 Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newspeer1.nwr.nac.net!newspeer.monmouth.com!news-east.rr.com!news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com!news-feed-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com!news.rr.com!news-out.nyc.rr.com!news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail From: Jeffrey Altman User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.8 (Windows/20061025) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: How many licenses? References: <1164990034.617350.125360@j44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> In-Reply-To: <1164990034.617350.125360@j44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 15 Message-ID: <%O%bh.23284$tb6.12159@news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com> Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2006 19:57:47 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.175.91.105 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com 1165003067 68.175.91.105 (Fri, 01 Dec 2006 14:57:47 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2006 14:57:47 EST Organization: Road Runner High Speed Online http://www.rr.com Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15595 You need one license per machine that Kermit 95 is installed on. texasredleg@gmail.com wrote: > Hello from South Texas: > > I think I intuitively know the answer to this....but: > > If I'm transferring data from 3 distant servers to one target server > using Kermit 95, how many licenses do I need? 3 or 4? > > Thank you, > > John T. > San Antonio, Texas USA > From fdc@panix.com Tue Dec 12 13:06:19 2006 Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!not-for-mail From: Frank da Cruz Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit FTP site problems Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 18:05:47 +0000 (UTC) Organization: PANIX Public Access Internet and UNIX, NYC Lines: 53 Message-ID: Reply-To: fdc@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: panix1.panix.com X-Trace: reader2.panix.com 1165946747 29487 166.84.1.1 (12 Dec 2006 18:05:47 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@panix.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 18:05:47 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0 (NetBSD) Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15598 As many of you have reported, downloads from the Kermit FTP site are hanging and rarely complete successfully. This started happening about 7 Dec 2006 when a new release (or a patch to) Columbia's Cisco Content Switching Modules (CSMs) was installed. Connections to the FTP server seem normal (except that sometimes you reach an empty file system, but that's a different problem). But then a GET or an MGET, in either passive or active mode, generally results in a hung session after downloading all or most of the file. My theory is that the TCP RST packet that is sent when the FTP server closes the data connection is not being forwarded by the CSM because it's a "runt", but who knows. The server believes the transfer was successful and sends "226 Transfer complete." on the control connection. So depending on how your FTP client is coded, it might accept an incomplete file as if it was complete. Anyway the problem has been reported to Cisco, and our sysadmins (I'm not one any more) are looking into a workaround. In the meantime, I've enabled HTTP (Web) access to all the files in the FTP archive: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ftp/ Any files downloaded with FTP from Columbia since Thursday are likely to be corrupt, and that includes files in any and all sites that mirror the Columbia's FTP site. Watch this space for further news, and/or the Kermit Project home page: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ Meanwhile, I took advantage of the situation to add a crude but effective timeout mechanism to C-Kermit's FTP client: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckdaily.html So far it works only for GET and MGET, not for PUT or MPUT, and not for operations on the control connection like DIR, but at least now you can time out of hung GETs: set ftp timeout 20 get x.tar.gz The timeout value is in seconds. It applies not to the whole tranfer, but to each attempt to read from the data connection, kind of like Kermit protocol per-packet timeouts. This feature works in consort with SET FTP ERROR-ACTION and SET FILE INCOMPLETE, so you can decide what should happen if there is a timeout -- keep the incomplete file or delete it; go on to the next one (if MGET'ing) or stop dead. Remember, you are downloading in binary mode and the file is incomplete, in most cases (depending on the server) you can REGET it rather than starting over. - Frank From wesley.baker@west.com Tue Dec 12 17:29:57 2006 Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.media.kyoto-u.ac.jp!newshub.sdsu.edu!postnews.google.com!16g2000cwy.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: "Wesley Baker" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit 95 dialstatus Date: 12 Dec 2006 12:21:49 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 40 Message-ID: <1165954909.794452.7260@16g2000cwy.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 199.38.51.134 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Trace: posting.google.com 1165954915 4461 127.0.0.1 (12 Dec 2006 20:21:55 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 20:21:55 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; SV1; .NET CLR 1.1.4322; InfoPath.1; .NET CLR 2.0.50727),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: 16g2000cwy.googlegroups.com; posting-host=199.38.51.134; posting-account=e6lq9g0AAAC5ZP3ZkPBpNl5NjQkeUjSI Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15599 Hello all - I am a complete newbie to Kermit and have been tooling around with it the past few days trying to write a script that will call a set of numbers and return the status of each. The problem I keep running in to is the limited information I am getting back from dialstatus. If I use the pdial function to dial the numbers, it will return a status 11 (OK) every time, whether it is a good number or not. If I use the dial function, I get a successful BUSY test, but it will return NO ANSWER, even if the call was picked up. Frank suggested earlier that I read up on the pager example on the Kermit website at http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/pagers.html, but I run into the same problems. The absolute bare minimum this script has to accomplish is to be able to tell whether a human voice answers the line, whether a triple tone is detected, a busy signal, or no answer. Is Kermit capable of this? Here is the script I've been testing. Any help or direction would be much appreciated: #set modem hangup-method modem-command set modem type generic-high-speed set port com5 set speed 2400 set flow rts/cts set dial retries 0 #set dial timeout 30 set dial display on .number := "99032222222@" dial \m(number) .result1 := \v(dialstatus) .result2 := \v(status) echo Dial status: \m(result1) echo Status: \m(result2) pause 2 hangup From fdc@panix.com Tue Dec 12 17:30:31 2006 Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!not-for-mail From: Frank da Cruz Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit 95 dialstatus Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 22:29:54 +0000 (UTC) Organization: PANIX Public Access Internet and UNIX, NYC Lines: 29 Message-ID: References: <1165954909.794452.7260@16g2000cwy.googlegroups.com> Reply-To: fdc@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: panix1.panix.com X-Trace: reader2.panix.com 1165962594 11318 166.84.1.1 (12 Dec 2006 22:29:54 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@panix.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 22:29:54 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0 (NetBSD) Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15600 On 2006-12-12, Wesley Baker wrote: : I am a complete newbie to Kermit and have been tooling around with it : the past few days trying to write a script that will call a set of : numbers and return the status of each. The problem I keep running in : to is the limited information I am getting back from dialstatus. If I : use the pdial function to dial the numbers, it will return a status 11 : (OK) every time, whether it is a good number or not. If I use the dial : function, I get a successful BUSY test, but it will return NO ANSWER, : even if the call was picked up. : NO ANSWER is the modem's response when when the phone was not answered by another modem and carrier successfully negotiated. : Frank suggested earlier that I read up on the pager example on the : Kermit website at http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/pagers.html, but I run : into the same problems. : : The absolute bare minimum this script has to accomplish is to be able : to tell whether a human voice answers the line, whether a triple tone : is detected, a busy signal, or no answer. Is Kermit capable of this? : That's not a question about Kermit, it's a question about the modem you are dialing with. If you dial it by hand, what response codes does it produce in each case? All Kermit can do is read the response code and act on them if it understands them. If they are new and strange response codes, Kermit can be scripted to dial the modem and handle them in any desired way. - Frank From fdc@panix.com Tue Dec 12 17:43:41 2006 Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!not-for-mail From: Frank da Cruz Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit FTP site OK again Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 22:43:21 +0000 (UTC) Organization: PANIX Public Access Internet and UNIX, NYC Lines: 7 Message-ID: Reply-To: fdc@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: panix1.panix.com X-Trace: reader2.panix.com 1165963401 19233 166.84.1.1 (12 Dec 2006 22:43:21 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@panix.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 22:43:21 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0 (NetBSD) Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15601 As of 5:30pm, 12 December 2006, the Kermit FTP site is functioning normally again after working around the actual problem (which still is not fixed) by reconfiguring the network to avoid it. The new HTTP access remains available too. Sorry for the inconvience. If anybody sees any more problems, please report them right away to kermit-support@columbia.edu. Thanks. - Frank From fdc@panix.com Thu Dec 14 13:16:29 2006 Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!not-for-mail From: Frank da Cruz Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Next release of Kermit 95 Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 18:16:15 +0000 (UTC) Organization: PANIX Public Access Internet and UNIX, NYC Lines: 26 Message-ID: Reply-To: fdc@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: panix1.panix.com X-Trace: reader2.panix.com 1166120175 23667 166.84.1.1 (14 Dec 2006 18:16:15 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@panix.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 18:16:15 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0 (NetBSD) Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15602 As most of you know, I've been working ever since 2003 to try to convince Columbia University management to authorize spending some money to produce a new release of Kermit 95 for Windows. With Windows Vista on the horizon and galloping towards us, the matter takes on a new urgency. As far as I can tell: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95faq.html#vista K95 2.1.3 works OK on Vista: but there are some bumps, and I did not have the opportunity to test every little thing. In any case, it's not just Vista. I've written a little sketch of some of the issues and of what Kermit 95 3.0 might look like here: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95next.html and I put up a survey to collect some info from K95 users here: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95survey.html I'd appreciate it if all K95 users would take the time to fill it out. It's anonymous and all answers are optional. The new management here needs some convincing, and in the end the marketplace speaks loudest. Thanks. - Frank From fdc@panix.com Thu Dec 14 13:16:29 2006 Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!not-for-mail From: Frank da Cruz Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Next release of Kermit 95 Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 18:16:15 +0000 (UTC) Organization: PANIX Public Access Internet and UNIX, NYC Lines: 26 Message-ID: Reply-To: fdc@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: panix1.panix.com X-Trace: reader2.panix.com 1166120175 23667 166.84.1.1 (14 Dec 2006 18:16:15 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@panix.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 18:16:15 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0 (NetBSD) Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15602 As most of you know, I've been working ever since 2003 to try to convince Columbia University management to authorize spending some money to produce a new release of Kermit 95 for Windows. With Windows Vista on the horizon and galloping towards us, the matter takes on a new urgency. As far as I can tell: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95faq.html#vista K95 2.1.3 works OK on Vista: but there are some bumps, and I did not have the opportunity to test every little thing. In any case, it's not just Vista. I've written a little sketch of some of the issues and of what Kermit 95 3.0 might look like here: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95next.html and I put up a survey to collect some info from K95 users here: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95survey.html I'd appreciate it if all K95 users would take the time to fill it out. It's anonymous and all answers are optional. The new management here needs some convincing, and in the end the marketplace speaks loudest. Thanks. - Frank From scottac@nb.sympatico.ca Tue Dec 19 10:08:51 2006 Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.litech.org!News.Dal.Ca!ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca!53ab2750!not-for-mail From: "Scott Caissie" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Macro: Terminal -> Command -> Terminal -> Command? Lines: 38 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Original Message-ID: Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 09:45:01 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 156.34.45.151 X-Complaints-To: abuse@aliant.net X-Trace: ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca 1166521501 156.34.45.151 (Tue, 19 Dec 2006 05:45:01 AST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 05:45:01 AST Organization: Aliant Internet Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15604 I'm trying to find any possible way to allow a Macro to revert back to the COMMAND window "after" CONNECTing. Step #1 Terminal --> Command Set Key \96 \Ktest Define test { ; various commands CONNECT } While in the TERMINAL, the key will bring you to the COMMAND window where the macro is processed. Step #2 Command --> Terminal Define test { ; various commands CONNECT } One the script is done, the CONNECT command goes to the TERMINAL. Step #3 ?? Terminal --> Command Now heres my question. Can a macro issue a command through OUTPUT or TRIGGER that will cause you to return back to the COMMAND window? I know you can't OUTPUT \Kexit. I'm not sure if TRIGGER is buggy or not but it loses its trigger in a certain situations without actually "triggering" you back to the COMMAND window. I'm not having much luck in getting OUTPUT and TRIGGER to work together. Example: SET TERMINAL TRIGGER TEST OUTPUT TEST CONNECT * Trigger is used up, but didn't actually trigger anything. - Scott From jaltman2@nyc.rr.com Tue Dec 19 10:09:55 2006 Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.media.kyoto-u.ac.jp!newshub.sdsu.edu!cyclone1.gnilink.net!gnilink.net!news-feed-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com!news.rr.com!news-out.nyc.rr.com!news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail From: Jeffrey Altman User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.8 (Windows/20061025) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Macro: Terminal -> Command -> Terminal -> Command? References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 30 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 14:45:37 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.175.93.48 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com 1166539537 68.175.93.48 (Tue, 19 Dec 2006 09:45:37 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 09:45:37 EST Organization: Road Runner High Speed Online http://www.rr.com Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15605 Scott Caissie wrote: > Example: > SET TERMINAL TRIGGER TEST > OUTPUT TEST > CONNECT > * Trigger is used up, but didn't actually trigger anything. Triggers work on INPUT not on OUTPUT. If the host echo's the data back, then the trigger can be triggered. If the host doesn't echo the data back, then there is nothing to trigger on. If your terminal is in local-echo mode, then the host is not sending any data and the local-echo would have been processed when the OUTPUT command was executed. In that case, the trigger would not go off because you were not in CONNECT mode when the INPUT was processed. Scripts cannot control operations that are performed while the "terminal" is displayed to the end-user. The CONNECT command specifically gives control to the end-user and pauses the execution of scripts. The only exceptions are idle actions, triggers, and host driven events (file transfers, APCs, ...). Kermit does not have a mode that permits the command processor and the terminal to operate simultaneously because the command processor is not thread safe. Adding thread safety to the command processor will require a complete re-write. Jeffrey Altman From scottac@nb.sympatico.ca Wed Dec 20 09:12:34 2006 Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed-00.mathworks.com!NNTP.WPI.EDU!elk.ncren.net!newsflash.concordia.ca!News.Dal.Ca!ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca!53ab2750!not-for-mail From: "Scott Caissie" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc References: Subject: Re: Macro: Terminal -> Command -> Terminal -> Command? Lines: 55 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Original Message-ID: Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 10:56:07 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 156.34.45.151 X-Complaints-To: abuse@aliant.net X-Trace: ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca 1166612167 156.34.45.151 (Wed, 20 Dec 2006 06:56:07 AST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 06:56:07 AST Organization: Aliant Internet Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15606 I see. I've been testing this out all day, and it works pretty much the way I was aiming for. I was never referred to using the INPUT command before, and to be honest, I don't understand it 100% yet. I'm basically mirroring my actions. I do have a question. Is there restrictions about using INPUT 0 ? This example works fine, but if I use INPUT 0 etc, it won't. I check to see if it works by using \Fscrnstr(y,x,n) on a large scale. SET INPUT TERMINAL ON set input echo off clear input-buffer define vega { .LZ_PRO := \Fscrnstr(0,6,8) OUTPUT \5\5\5\5\5\5\5\5\57\49\13\49\52\13\m(LZ_PRO)\24 INPUT 1 \5\5\5\5\5\5\5\5\57\49\13\49\52\13\m(LZ_PRO)\24 for \%t 1 24 1 { echo \Fscrnstr(\%t,0,79) } } "Jeffrey Altman" wrote in message news:lWShh.32651$tb6.31529@news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com... > Scott Caissie wrote: > >> Example: >> SET TERMINAL TRIGGER TEST >> OUTPUT TEST >> CONNECT >> * Trigger is used up, but didn't actually trigger anything. > > Triggers work on INPUT not on OUTPUT. If the host echo's the > data back, then the trigger can be triggered. If the host doesn't > echo the data back, then there is nothing to trigger on. > > If your terminal is in local-echo mode, then the host is not > sending any data and the local-echo would have been processed > when the OUTPUT command was executed. In that case, the trigger > would not go off because you were not in CONNECT mode when the > INPUT was processed. > > Scripts cannot control operations that are performed while the > "terminal" is displayed to the end-user. The CONNECT command > specifically gives control to the end-user and pauses the execution > of scripts. The only exceptions are idle actions, triggers, and > host driven events (file transfers, APCs, ...). > > Kermit does not have a mode that permits the command processor > and the terminal to operate simultaneously because the command > processor is not thread safe. Adding thread safety to the command > processor will require a complete re-write. > > Jeffrey Altman From fdc@panix.com Wed Dec 20 09:47:35 2006 Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!not-for-mail From: Frank da Cruz Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Macro: Terminal -> Command -> Terminal -> Command? Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 14:47:28 +0000 (UTC) Organization: PANIX Public Access Internet and UNIX, NYC Lines: 50 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: fdc@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: panix1.panix.com X-Trace: reader2.panix.com 1166626048 1735 166.84.1.1 (20 Dec 2006 14:47:28 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@panix.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 14:47:28 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0 (NetBSD) Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15607 On 2006-12-20, Scott Caissie wrote: : I see. I've been testing this out all day, and it works pretty much the way : I was aiming for. I was never referred to using the INPUT command before, : and to be honest, I don't understand it 100% yet. I'm basically mirroring my : actions. : I try to explain it succinctly here: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckscripts.html#tut : I do have a question. Is there restrictions about using INPUT 0 ? : This example works fine, but if I use INPUT 0 etc, it won't. I check to see : if it works by using \Fscrnstr(y,x,n) on a large scale. : As far as I know, INPUT 0 should work OK in K95 2.1.3. I tested it just now, briefly, and it behaved as expected: succeeds if the text has already arrived but has not yet been processed, fails if the text is not there. I don't see anything in my notes about problems with or fixes to this. Incidentally, INPUT has a bunch of related variables that you might find useful. You can see them by typing "show var ^in" (show all the builtin variables whose names start with "in"): \v(input) = The current INPUT buffer contents (circular) \v(inchar) = The character most recently read by INPUT \v(incount) = 0 How many chars were read by the most recent INPUT \v(inmatch) = The string that the INPUT command matched \v(instatus) = -1 Status of last INPUT command \v(intime) = -1 Elapsed time for the most recent INPUT to complete \v(inwait) = 0 Time limit specified for most recent INPUT \v(inmatch) is useful with MINPUT, when you are looking for any of a number of strings to show up, so you know which one you got. This result is typically used as a SWITCH control, to process the event. It's also useful when using INPUT with \fpattern() to search for a pattern rather than a literal string, to know what the string was that matched the pattern. \v(instatus) is: 0 if INPUT succeeded 1 if the INPUT command timed out 2 if the user interrupted the INPUT command from the keyboard 3 (internal error, shouldn't happen) 4 i/o error or connection lost. 5 Kermit server active (INPUT attempted with WIKSD). For more information about the INPUT command, type HELP SET INPUT at the K-95> prompt. - Frank From jaltman2@nyc.rr.com Fri Dec 22 10:34:13 2006 Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed-00.mathworks.com!kanaga.switch.ch!switch.ch!keepthis.news.telefonica.de!telefonica.de!ndsoftware.com!nx02.iad01.newshosting.com!newshosting.com!post01.iad01!roadrunner.com!not-for-mail Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 16:51:31 -0500 From: Jeffrey Altman Organization: Send private replies to jaltman at mit dot edu User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Macro: Terminal -> Command -> Terminal -> Command? References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 25 Message-ID: <4589b00f$0$16922$4c368faf@roadrunner.com> X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15608 Scott Caissie wrote: > I see. I've been testing this out all day, and it works pretty much the way > I was aiming for. I was never referred to using the INPUT command before, > and to be honest, I don't understand it 100% yet. I'm basically mirroring my > actions. > I do have a question. Is there restrictions about using INPUT 0 ? > This example works fine, but if I use INPUT 0 etc, it won't. I check to see > if it works by using \Fscrnstr(y,x,n) on a large scale. > > SET INPUT TERMINAL ON > set input echo off > clear input-buffer > define vega { > ..LZ_PRO := \Fscrnstr(0,6,8) > OUTPUT \5\5\5\5\5\5\5\5\57\49\13\49\52\13\m(LZ_PRO)\24 > INPUT 1 \5\5\5\5\5\5\5\5\57\49\13\49\52\13\m(LZ_PRO)\24 > for \%t 1 24 1 { > echo \Fscrnstr(\%t,0,79) > } > } If you use "INPUT 0 " you are not reading any data from the connection. You must use a timeout greater than 0 in order to process data. Jeffrey Altman From scottac@nb.sympatico.ca Fri Dec 22 10:36:54 2006 Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed-00.mathworks.com!NNTP.WPI.EDU!elk.ncren.net!newsflash.concordia.ca!News.Dal.Ca!ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca!53ab2750!not-for-mail From: "Scott Caissie" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc References: <4589b00f$0$16922$4c368faf@roadrunner.com> Subject: Re: Macro: Terminal -> Command -> Terminal -> Command? Lines: 50 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Original Message-ID: Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 08:13:26 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 156.34.45.151 X-Complaints-To: abuse@aliant.net X-Trace: ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca 1166688806 156.34.45.151 (Thu, 21 Dec 2006 04:13:26 AST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 04:13:26 AST Organization: Aliant Internet Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15610 That is what my tests today showed. With this, I'll have macros that will be running in a loop for about 50-200 times. For each, I need only one "INPUT 1" statement at the end to update the screen. Up until that point, using a multitude of INPUT 0s works fine. 1 of my projects will need to update the screen twice. I ran one today a few times in a loop of 119 times. Worked perfectly. Though I wish you could allow for fractions of a second. Or an instaneous forced update command. That would be my wish list for Version 3.0. But this so far has helped me a lot. Thanks. - Scott "Jeffrey Altman" wrote in message news:4589b00f$0$16922$4c368faf@roadrunner.com... > Scott Caissie wrote: >> I see. I've been testing this out all day, and it works pretty much the >> way >> I was aiming for. I was never referred to using the INPUT command >> before, >> and to be honest, I don't understand it 100% yet. I'm basically mirroring >> my >> actions. >> I do have a question. Is there restrictions about using INPUT 0 ? >> This example works fine, but if I use INPUT 0 etc, it won't. I check to >> see >> if it works by using \Fscrnstr(y,x,n) on a large scale. >> >> SET INPUT TERMINAL ON >> set input echo off >> clear input-buffer >> define vega { >> ..LZ_PRO := \Fscrnstr(0,6,8) >> OUTPUT \5\5\5\5\5\5\5\5\57\49\13\49\52\13\m(LZ_PRO)\24 >> INPUT 1 \5\5\5\5\5\5\5\5\57\49\13\49\52\13\m(LZ_PRO)\24 >> for \%t 1 24 1 { >> echo \Fscrnstr(\%t,0,79) >> } >> } > > If you use "INPUT 0 " you are not reading any data from the > connection. You must use a timeout greater than 0 in order to process > data. > > Jeffrey Altman From jaltman2@nyc.rr.com Fri Dec 22 10:37:24 2006 Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.media.kyoto-u.ac.jp!nx02.iad01.newshosting.com!newshosting.com!post02.iad01!roadrunner.com!not-for-mail Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 09:36:47 -0500 From: Jeffrey Altman Organization: Send private replies to jaltman at mit dot edu User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Macro: Terminal -> Command -> Terminal -> Command? References: <4589b00f$0$16922$4c368faf@roadrunner.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 58 Message-ID: <458a9baa$0$5926$4c368faf@roadrunner.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.175.93.48 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15611 The value is a "timeout" period not a time-you-must-wait-for period. You could put 1000 there and it wouldn't make a different provided that the data you are looking for actually arrives. The value is "how long should I wait if the pattern I was given does not find a match on the incoming data stream?" Scott Caissie wrote: > That is what my tests today showed. > With this, I'll have macros that will be running in a loop for about 50-200 > times. > For each, I need only one "INPUT 1" statement at the end to update the > screen. Up until that point, using a multitude of INPUT 0s works fine. 1 of > my projects will need to update the screen twice. > I ran one today a few times in a loop of 119 times. Worked perfectly. > > Though I wish you could allow for fractions of a second. Or an instaneous > forced update command. > That would be my wish list for Version 3.0. > > But this so far has helped me a lot. Thanks. > > - Scott > > "Jeffrey Altman" wrote in message > news:4589b00f$0$16922$4c368faf@roadrunner.com... >> Scott Caissie wrote: >>> I see. I've been testing this out all day, and it works pretty much the >>> way >>> I was aiming for. I was never referred to using the INPUT command >>> before, >>> and to be honest, I don't understand it 100% yet. I'm basically mirroring >>> my >>> actions. >>> I do have a question. Is there restrictions about using INPUT 0 ? >>> This example works fine, but if I use INPUT 0 etc, it won't. I check to >>> see >>> if it works by using \Fscrnstr(y,x,n) on a large scale. >>> >>> SET INPUT TERMINAL ON >>> set input echo off >>> clear input-buffer >>> define vega { >>> ..LZ_PRO := \Fscrnstr(0,6,8) >>> OUTPUT \5\5\5\5\5\5\5\5\57\49\13\49\52\13\m(LZ_PRO)\24 >>> INPUT 1 \5\5\5\5\5\5\5\5\57\49\13\49\52\13\m(LZ_PRO)\24 >>> for \%t 1 24 1 { >>> echo \Fscrnstr(\%t,0,79) >>> } >>> } >> If you use "INPUT 0 " you are not reading any data from the >> connection. You must use a timeout greater than 0 in order to process >> data. >> >> Jeffrey Altman > > From JDanSkinner@JDanSkinner.com Fri Dec 22 10:37:56 2006 Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.media.kyoto-u.ac.jp!newsfeed.icl.net!proxad.net!216.239.36.134.MISMATCH!postnews.google.com!f1g2000cwa.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: "jdanskinner" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: New version of K95 Date: 20 Dec 2006 18:52:22 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 20 Message-ID: <1166669542.173233.278370@f1g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.159.192.106 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Trace: posting.google.com 1166669547 29907 127.0.0.1 (21 Dec 2006 02:52:27 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 02:52:27 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.8.1) Gecko/20061010 Firefox/2.0,gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: f1g2000cwa.googlegroups.com; posting-host=24.159.192.106; posting-account=5JPUcQwAAAB6TGKSwwkRxsWxWFx0QQ_3 Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15609 Back in April 2006 Jeff Altman mentioned the issue with later versions of ssh servers and compression. I thought I'd seen another reference, but Google search produced nothing. Just to add to the bank of knowledge we are in the process of migrating our server package from SuSE 8.1 to SuSE 10.2. SSH connections with old kermit scripts to the 10.2 server yield following: no matching comp found: client zlib server none,zlib@openssh.com login failed ?Unable to connect to 192.168.1.7 Adding the following line results in usable connection: set ssh compression off I hope this is useful to others and perhaps will help with reasons for a next version of K95 Regards...Dan. From JDanSkinner@JDanSkinner.com Fri Dec 22 10:40:29 2006 Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.media.kyoto-u.ac.jp!newsfeed.icl.net!proxad.net!216.239.36.134.MISMATCH!postnews.google.com!i12g2000cwa.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: "jdanskinner" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: New version of K95 Date: 21 Dec 2006 18:47:00 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 21 Message-ID: <1166755620.389170.297920@i12g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> References: <1166669542.173233.278370@f1g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <20061221173016.27142842@zooty> NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.159.192.106 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Trace: posting.google.com 1166755625 17320 127.0.0.1 (22 Dec 2006 02:47:05 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2006 02:47:05 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: <20061221173016.27142842@zooty> User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.8.1) Gecko/20061010 Firefox/2.0,gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: i12g2000cwa.googlegroups.com; posting-host=24.159.192.106; posting-account=5JPUcQwAAAB6TGKSwwkRxsWxWFx0QQ_3 Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15613 Tom Horsley wrote: > On 20 Dec 2006 18:52:22 -0800 > "jdanskinner" wrote: > > > Adding the following line results in usable connection: > > set ssh compression off > > > > I hope this is useful to others and perhaps will help with reasons for > > a next version of K95 > > If you control the sshd_config, you can also fix the problem by > changing the Compression parameter back to the default "yes" it > formerly had before the openssh folks added "delayed" as the new > default. Tom; We do, and you are right. Thanks. Regards...Dan. From robt@publicans.com Fri Dec 22 16:59:40 2006 Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!news.maxwell.syr.edu!postnews.google.com!80g2000cwy.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: "robt" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: ftp check usage Date: 22 Dec 2006 12:41:58 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 5 Message-ID: <1166820118.724272.114490@80g2000cwy.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.110.79.11 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Trace: posting.google.com 1166820124 14592 127.0.0.1 (22 Dec 2006 20:42:04 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2006 20:42:04 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; SunOS sun4u; en-US; rv:1.8.0.1) Gecko/20060206 Firefox/1.5.0.1,gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) X-HTTP-Via: 1.1 INFOSERVER10 Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: 80g2000cwy.googlegroups.com; posting-host=216.110.79.11; posting-account=LlNh-Q0AAABA3BnBY08hckoBokNL9gNw Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15614 I have recently downloaded c-kermit 8.0.211 for solaris and am having a problem using the 'ftp check' command. I always receive a successful return status whether the file exists on the remote server or not. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. From fdc@panix.com Fri Dec 22 17:06:40 2006 Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!not-for-mail From: Frank da Cruz Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: ftp check usage Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2006 22:06:32 +0000 (UTC) Organization: PANIX Public Access Internet and UNIX, NYC Lines: 47 Message-ID: References: <1166820118.724272.114490@80g2000cwy.googlegroups.com> Reply-To: fdc@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: panix3.panix.com X-Trace: reader2.panix.com 1166825192 13210 166.84.1.3 (22 Dec 2006 22:06:32 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@panix.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2006 22:06:32 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0 (NetBSD) Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15615 On 2006-12-22, robt wrote: : I have recently downloaded c-kermit 8.0.211 for solaris and am having a : problem using the 'ftp check' command. I always receive a successful : return status whether the file exists on the remote server or not. Any : help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. : Use SET FTP DEBUG ON to see what's happening. Here's what happens when the connection and the FTP server are functioning properly. First we make the connection, CD, and enable debugging: C-Kermit>ftp open kermit.columbia.edu /anonymous Connected to kermit.columbia.edu. C-Kermit>cd kermit/a C-Kermit>set ftp debug on Now we try FTP CHECK for a file known to exist: C-Kermit>ftp check aavers.txt ---> TYPE A 200 Type set to A. ---> PASV 227 Entering Passive Mode (128,59,29,214,202,133) ---> NLST aavers.txt 150 Opening ASCII mode data connection for file list. 226 Transfer complete. LISTFILE: /tmp/ckOPaOze [aavers.txt] C-Kermit>status SUCCESS C-Kermit> And now for a file known not to exist: C-Kermit>ftp check lkjlkjlkj ---> TYPE A 200 Type set to A. ---> PASV 227 Entering Passive Mode (128,59,29,214,202,153) ---> NLST lkjlkjlkj 550 lkjlkjlkj: No such file or directory. C-Kermit>status FAILURE C-Kermit> Works OK here! - Frank From jaltman2@nyc.rr.com Sat Dec 23 10:18:51 2006 Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!news.maxwell.syr.edu!postnews.google.com!news4.google.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nx01.iad01.newshosting.com!newshosting.com!post01.iad01!roadrunner.com!not-for-mail Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2006 00:30:17 -0500 From: Jeffrey Altman Organization: Send private replies to jaltman at mit dot edu User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Next release of Kermit 95 References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 70 Message-ID: <458cbe92$0$5253$4c368faf@roadrunner.com> X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15616 Frank da Cruz wrote: > As most of you know, I've been working ever since 2003 to try to convince > Columbia University management to authorize spending some money to produce > a new release of Kermit 95 for Windows. With Windows Vista on the horizon > and galloping towards us, the matter takes on a new urgency. As far as I > can tell: > > http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95faq.html#vista I do not foresee major issues on 32-bit Windows Vista. Where there will be issues are support for the 64-bit Windows Vista platforms. While Kermit 95 will run as a 32-bit application in the WOW64 environment, there will be issues. Windows Vista requires applications to be digitally signed if they are going to be permitted to make outbound internet connections or accept incoming connections. The existing Kermit 95 release is not digitally signed. The binaries I distribute as updates to registered users are signed. The Windows Internet Kermit Service is unlikely to work on Vista. The private interfaces that Kermit 95 uses to generate authentication tokens for incoming connections were removed as part of the increased security of Vista. > K95 2.1.3 works OK on Vista: but there are some bumps, and I did not have > the opportunity to test every little thing. In any case, it's not just > Vista. I've written a little sketch of some of the issues and of what > Kermit 95 3.0 might look like here: > > http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95next.html > > and I put up a survey to collect some info from K95 users here: > > http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95survey.html > > I'd appreciate it if all K95 users would take the time to fill it out. > It's anonymous and all answers are optional. The new management here > needs some convincing, and in the end the marketplace speaks loudest. The most important questions that I would ask if I were Columbia University management are: * how many existing users would pay for an update? * how much would they pay? Free updates to existing Kermit 95 users will not generate revenues sufficient to underwrite the development costs. To give users some idea of the costs of software development. Secure Endpoints Inc. has developed the Network Identity Manager which is distributed as part of MIT Kerberos for Windows version 3.1. This application cost more than $225,000 to design and implement. The AFS and K.X509 plug-ins for Network Identity Manager cost about $35,000 each. Kermit 95 is in many ways a much more complex tool to develop and support than Network Identity Manager. It utilizes many more Windows APIs and has a much more challenging user interface. The development costs associated with the upgrade that Frank da Cruz is proposing will require approximately $65,000 to be invested in the short term. At $25 an upgrade license would require 2600 users just to break even. I encourage you to assist Frank da Cruz make his case to management. I believe the best way to do so is to publicly state what you are willing to pay to see a future release of Kermit 95 from Columbia University. Jeffrey Altman Secure Endpoints Inc. http://www.secure-endpoints.com From slash_dev_slash_null_2000@yahoo.com Mon Dec 25 09:30:10 2006 Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.media.kyoto-u.ac.jp!postnews.google.com!h40g2000cwb.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: "Mark Sapiro" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Next release of Kermit 95 Date: 24 Dec 2006 14:23:37 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 19 Message-ID: <1166999017.571135.240980@h40g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> References: <458cbe92$0$5253$4c368faf@roadrunner.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.183.193.239 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Trace: posting.google.com 1166999021 28001 127.0.0.1 (24 Dec 2006 22:23:41 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2006 22:23:41 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.5) Gecko/20060912 Netscape/8.1.2,gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: h40g2000cwb.googlegroups.com; posting-host=68.183.193.239; posting-account=iQNWIg0AAAAD2fStXNC9nwGlPdSqjWrI Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15617 Jeffrey Altman wrote: > > I encourage you to assist Frank da Cruz make his case to management. I > believe the best way to do so is to publicly state what you are willing > to pay to see a future release of Kermit 95 from Columbia University. OK, I'll jump in. I license K-95 for two machines (two licenses). I am willing to pay up to $100. to upgrade (that's $50. ea, $100. total), particularly if there might be a third edition of _Using C-Kermit_ in the works. I'd buy the book in any case if it were available. -- (for email use this address please - you can figure it out) Mark Sapiro msapiro at value net Any clod can have the facts; San Francisco Bay Area, California having opinions is an art. - C. McCabe, The Fearless Spectator From robt@publicans.com Wed Dec 27 15:49:53 2006 Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.media.kyoto-u.ac.jp!newshub.sdsu.edu!postnews.google.com!48g2000cwx.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: "robt" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: ftp check usage Date: 27 Dec 2006 06:28:14 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 46 Message-ID: <1167229694.435877.237650@48g2000cwx.googlegroups.com> References: <1166820118.724272.114490@80g2000cwy.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.110.79.11 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Trace: posting.google.com 1167229700 5940 127.0.0.1 (27 Dec 2006 14:28:20 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2006 14:28:20 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; SunOS sun4u; en-US; rv:1.8.0.1) Gecko/20060206 Firefox/1.5.0.1,gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) X-HTTP-Via: 1.1 INFOSERVER10 Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: 48g2000cwx.googlegroups.com; posting-host=216.110.79.11; posting-account=LlNh-Q0AAABA3BnBY08hckoBokNL9gNw Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15618 This is what I receive on my system: (/usr2/prod/home/oracle/scripts/system/) C-Kermit>set ftp debug on (/usr2/prod/home/oracle/scripts/system/) C-Kermit>ftp open tartarus Connected to tartarus. 220 tartarus FTP server (SunOS 5.8) ready. Name (tartarus:oracle): oracle ---> USER oracle 331 Password required for oracle. Password: ---> PASS XXXX 230 User oracle logged in. Switching LOCUS for file-management commands to REMOTE. ---> REST 0 502 REST command not implemented. ---> SYST 215 UNIX Type: L8 Version: SUNOS Remote system type is UNIX. ---> TYPE I 200 Type set to I. Default transfer mode is BINARY ---> MODE S 200 MODE S ok. ---> STRU F 200 STRU F ok. ---> FEAT 500 'FEAT': command not understood. (/usr2/prod/home/oracle/scripts/system/) C-Kermit>cd scripts ---> CWD scripts 250 CWD command successful. (/usr2/prod/home/oracle/scripts/system/) C-Kermit>ftp check tst ---> TYPE A 200 Type set to A. ---> PASV 227 Entering Passive Mode (192,168,7,175,241,21) ---> NLST tst 150 ASCII data connection for /bin/ls (192.168.7.99,38074) (0 bytes). 226 ASCII Transfer complete. LISTFILE: /tmp/ckT9ayfB [/bin/ls: tst: No such file or directory] (/usr2/prod/home/oracle/scripts/system/) C-Kermit>status SUCCESS (/usr2/prod/home/oracle/scripts/system/) C-Kermit> You'll notice that even though the file 'tst' does not exist, I still am getting a 'SUCCESS' status. From jaltman2@nyc.rr.com Wed Dec 27 15:50:29 2006 Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed-00.mathworks.com!newscon06.news.prodigy.net!prodigy.net!nx01.iad01.newshosting.com!newshosting.com!post02.iad01!roadrunner.com!not-for-mail Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2006 10:09:15 -0500 From: Jeffrey Altman Organization: Send private replies to jaltman at mit dot edu User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: ftp check usage References: <1166820118.724272.114490@80g2000cwy.googlegroups.com> <1167229694.435877.237650@48g2000cwx.googlegroups.com> In-Reply-To: <1167229694.435877.237650@48g2000cwx.googlegroups.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 40 Message-ID: <45928c3e$0$4877$4c368faf@roadrunner.com> X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15619 robt wrote: > 227 Entering Passive Mode (192,168,7,175,241,21) > ---> NLST tst > 150 ASCII data connection for /bin/ls (192.168.7.99,38074) (0 bytes). > 226 ASCII Transfer complete. > LISTFILE: /tmp/ckT9ayfB > [/bin/ls: tst: No such file or directory] > (/usr2/prod/home/oracle/scripts/system/) C-Kermit>status > SUCCESS > (/usr2/prod/home/oracle/scripts/system/) C-Kermit> > > You'll notice that even though the file 'tst' does not exist, I still > am getting a 'SUCCESS' status. > What I believe is happening here is that the FTP server is returning [/bin/ls: tst: No such file or directory] as part of the LISTFILE output. If you examine the /tmp/ckT9ayfB file you should see it. If that is in fact the case, then when C-Kermit parses the LISTFILE searching for the specified pattern it does in fact find it. If I was debugging this problem I would request that you LOG DEBUG SET FTP DEBUG ON SET FTP VERBOSE ON repeat the test CLOSE DEBUG and then send the ftp debug output, the temporary LISTFILE, and the debug log output for analysis. From fdc@panix.com Wed Dec 27 16:09:33 2006 Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!not-for-mail From: Frank da Cruz Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: ftp check usage Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2006 21:09:22 +0000 (UTC) Organization: PANIX Public Access Internet and UNIX, NYC Lines: 68 Message-ID: References: <1166820118.724272.114490@80g2000cwy.googlegroups.com> <1167229694.435877.237650@48g2000cwx.googlegroups.com> <45928c3e$0$4877$4c368faf@roadrunner.com> <1167238425.623478.174680@48g2000cwx.googlegroups.com> Reply-To: fdc@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: panix3.panix.com X-Trace: reader2.panix.com 1167253762 27588 166.84.1.3 (27 Dec 2006 21:09:22 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@panix.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2006 21:09:22 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0 (NetBSD) Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15621 On 2006-12-27, robt wrote: : Here's the LISTFILE output: : /bin/ls: tst: No such file or directory : When Jeff suggested that you get a debug log, he didn't mean you should post it to the newsgroup. That's what kermit-support@columbia.edu is for. : This is the ftp session: : ... : (/usr2/prod/home/oracle/scripts/system/) C-Kermit>ftp check tst : ---> TYPE A : 200 Type set to A. : ---> PASV : 227 Entering Passive Mode (192,168,7,175,141,252) : ---> NLST tst : 150 ASCII data connection for /bin/ls (192.168.7.99,40546) (0 bytes). : 226 ASCII Transfer complete. : LISTFILE: /tmp/ck9naiav : [/bin/ls: tst: No such file or directory] : (/usr2/prod/home/oracle/scripts/system/) C-Kermit>status : SUCCESS : : This is the logfile: : It would have been more useful to enclose the listfile itself, which in this case was /tmp/ck9naiav. : CMD(P)[ftp check tst] : ftp remote_files mgetmethod[NLST] : ftp remote_files whicharg[tst] : ftp recvrequest cmd[NLST]=0 : ftp recvrequest local [/tmp/ck9naiav] : zchko entry[/tmp/ck9naiav] : zchko len[/tmp/ck9naiav]=13 : zchko zchkod[/tmp/ck9naiav]=0 : ... : FTP SENT [NLST tst] : FTP RCVD [150 ASCII data connection for /bin/ls (192.168.7.99,40546) (0 : bytes).]ftp getreply[150 ASCII data connection for /bin/ls : (192.168.7.99,40546) (0 bytes).]=1 : HEXDUMP: ftp secure_getc recv (16 bytes) : 2f 62 69 6e 2f 6c 73 3a | 20 74 73 74 3a 20 4e 6f /bin/ls: tst: No... : FTP RCVD [226 ASCII Transfer complete.] : ftp getreply[226 ASCII Transfer complete.]=2 : remote_files name[/bin/ls: tst: No such file or directory] : This shows that "NLST tst" resulted in the FTP sending back the following text on the data channel: /bin/ls: tst: No such file or directory Quoting from RFC959, the File Transfer Protocol (FTP) specification: NAME LIST (NLST) This command causes a directory listing to be sent from server to user site. The pathname should specify a directory or other system-specific file group descriptor; a null argument implies the current directory. The server will return a stream of names of files and no other information. The server is clearly in the wrong. If it followed the protocol, there would be no problem. However I can see that Kermit could defend itself better in this case. I'll add this to the list. - Frank From jaltman2@nyc.rr.com Thu Dec 28 12:33:51 2006 Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!news.maxwell.syr.edu!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nx02.iad01.newshosting.com!newshosting.com!post02.iad01!roadrunner.com!not-for-mail Message-ID: <4592EB8D.2050307@nyc.rr.com> Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2006 16:54:21 -0500 From: Jeffrey Altman Organization: Send private replies to jaltman at mit dot edu User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: ftp check usage References: <1166820118.724272.114490@80g2000cwy.googlegroups.com> <1167229694.435877.237650@48g2000cwx.googlegroups.com> <45928c3e$0$4877$4c368faf@roadrunner.com> <1167238425.623478.174680@48g2000cwx.googlegroups.com> In-Reply-To: <1167238425.623478.174680@48g2000cwx.googlegroups.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 39 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15622 There definitely is a bug here. FTP CHECK is implemented as: case FTP_CHK: /* Check if remote file(s) exist(s) */ if ((x = cmtxt("remote filename", "", &s, xxstring)) < 0) return(x); CHECKCONN(); success = remote_files(1,(CHAR *)s,NULL,0) ? 1 : 0; return(success); The problem is that remote_files() returns a CHAR * not a success or failure value. In this case, because no pattern parameter is being specified, the return value is a pointer to the static buffer containing /bin/ls: tst: No such file or directory This is because in remote_files() the NLST case doesn't handle the situation where the server returns an error string instead of the file name. if (mgetmethod == SND_NLS) { /* NLST... */ if (pattern) { if (!ckmatch((char *)pattern,p,(servertype == SYS_UNIX),1)) goto again; } } The end result is that the non-NULL return is being treated as a success value. This could be fixed by treating by using the 'arg' as the 'pattern' in the NLST case if 'pattern' is not specified or by passing in 'arg' as the 'pattern' into the remote_files() call in the FTP_CHK block. Jeffrey Altman Secure Endpoints Inc. From arthur.marsh@internode.on.net Sat Jan 13 13:54:46 2007 Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.media.kyoto-u.ac.jp!newsfeeds.ihug.co.nz!ihug.co.nz!ken-transit.news.telstra.net!lon-in.news.telstra.net!news.telstra.net!news-server.bigpond.net.au!53ab2750!not-for-mail From: Arthur Marsh User-Agent: Icedove 1.5.0.9 (X11/20061220) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: HELP DATE - NOW not documented? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: Lines: 15 Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2007 15:37:04 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 124.177.239.13 X-Complaints-To: abuse@bigpond.net.au X-Trace: news-server.bigpond.net.au 1168702624 124.177.239.13 (Sun, 14 Jan 2007 02:37:04 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 02:37:04 EST Organization: BigPond Internet Services Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15623 Hi, I just needed to display the current UTC date and time at the C-Kermit prompt (using the current nightly build on Debian unstable) and looked at the options using HELP DATE. Although it wasn't (apparently) documented, I tried: DATE NOW UTC and obtained the desired result. Could the "NOW" keyword be documented in the "HELP DATE" text please? Regards, Arthur. From arthur.marsh@internode.on.net Sat Jan 13 13:55:32 2007 Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.media.kyoto-u.ac.jp!newsfeeds.ihug.co.nz!ihug.co.nz!ken-transit.news.telstra.net!lon-transit.news.telstra.net!lon-in.news.telstra.net!news.telstra.net!news-server.bigpond.net.au!53ab2750!not-for-mail From: Arthur Marsh User-Agent: Icedove 1.5.0.9 (X11/20061220) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: HELP DATE - NOW not documented? References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: Lines: 30 Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2007 16:22:03 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 124.177.239.13 X-Complaints-To: abuse@bigpond.net.au X-Trace: news-server.bigpond.net.au 1168705323 124.177.239.13 (Sun, 14 Jan 2007 03:22:03 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 03:22:03 EST Organization: BigPond Internet Services Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15624 Arthur Marsh wrote, On 14/01/07 02:07: > Hi, I just needed to display the current UTC date and time at the > C-Kermit prompt (using the current nightly build on Debian unstable) and > looked at the options using HELP DATE. > > Although it wasn't (apparently) documented, I tried: > > DATE NOW UTC > > and obtained the desired result. > > Could the "NOW" keyword be documented in the "HELP DATE" text please? > > Regards, > > Arthur. Correction, DATE NOW UTC gave me a didn't give me the correct time, it ADDED 10:30 to the local time instead of subtracting it (My current local timezone is UTC+10:30): date 20070114 02:22:51 (/home/amarsh04/) C-Kermit>date now 20070114 02:22:53 (/home/amarsh04/) C-Kermit>date now utc 20070114 12:52:57 (/home/amarsh04/) C-Kermit>date now -10:30 20070113 15:53:08 (/home/amarsh04/) C-Kermit> From fdc@panix.com Sat Jan 13 14:25:36 2007 Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!not-for-mail From: Frank da Cruz Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: HELP DATE - NOW not documented? Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2007 19:25:31 +0000 (UTC) Organization: PANIX Public Access Internet and UNIX, NYC Lines: 49 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: fdc@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: panix2.panix.com X-Trace: reader2.panix.com 1168716331 1696 166.84.1.2 (13 Jan 2007 19:25:31 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@panix.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2007 19:25:31 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0 (NetBSD) Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15625 On 2007-01-13, Arthur Marsh wrote: : Arthur Marsh wrote, On 14/01/07 02:07: :> Hi, I just needed to display the current UTC date and time at the :> C-Kermit prompt (using the current nightly build on Debian unstable) and :> looked at the options using HELP DATE. :> :> Although it wasn't (apparently) documented, I tried: :> :> DATE NOW UTC :> :> and obtained the desired result. :> :> Could the "NOW" keyword be documented in the "HELP DATE" text please? : OK, on my list. : Correction, DATE NOW UTC gave me a didn't give me the correct time, it : ADDED 10:30 to the local time instead of subtracting it (My current : local timezone is UTC+10:30): : : date : 20070114 02:22:51 : (/home/amarsh04/) C-Kermit>date now : 20070114 02:22:53 : (/home/amarsh04/) C-Kermit>date now utc : 20070114 12:52:57 : (/home/amarsh04/) C-Kermit>date now -10:30 : 20070113 15:53:08 : (/home/amarsh04/) C-Kermit> : DATE 20070114 02:22:53 UTC indicates a date/time at the Greenwich Meridian. The keyword NOW is substituted by the current local date/time; so "DATE NOW UTC" is kind of a mixed bag. It means, "if this is what the clock says in Greenwich, then what time would it be here?", which is the opposite of what you wanted; see: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckermit80.html#x8.13.3 The way to do what you want is: echo \futcdate(now) or simply: echo \futcdate() I admit, this could be documented better. On my list! - Frank From scottac@nb.sympatico.ca Fri Jan 19 11:22:26 2007 Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!news.linkpendium.com!news.linkpendium.com!newscon04.news.prodigy.net!prodigy.net!newshub.sdsu.edu!msrtrans!News.Dal.Ca!ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca!53ab2750!not-for-mail From: "Scott Caissie" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc References: <4589b00f$0$16922$4c368faf@roadrunner.com> <458a9baa$0$5926$4c368faf@roadrunner.com> Subject: Re: Macro: Terminal -> Command -> Terminal -> Command? Lines: 101 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Original Message-ID: Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 07:03:36 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 156.34.63.9 X-Complaints-To: abuse@aliant.net X-Trace: ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca 1169190216 156.34.63.9 (Fri, 19 Jan 2007 03:03:36 AST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 03:03:36 AST Organization: Aliant Internet Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15626 Its a pity that it can't be made faster. 1 second is too long when I have a macro using this numerous times per account. Anyway, I discovered an oddity. Is there a problem with INPUT & Kverbs? On of my macros is trying to use F6 (opens a window for me) but it doesn't function if it is by itself. I have 3 scenarios listed below. Scenario #1 (my original simple setup) OUTPUT \Kdecf06 INPUT 1 \Kdecf06 The terminal won't update. In fact it acts like INPUT 0 \Kdecf06. Theres no actual pause using 1 rather than 0. Scenario #2 OUTPUT \Klfarr\Kdecf06 INPUT 1 \Klfarr\Kdecf06 This also doesn't work....still no actual pause or updating. Scenario #3 OUTPUT \8\Kdecf06 INPUT 1 \8\Kdecf06 This works. I was wondering if Kverbs had complications with this. I had another macro which uses OUTPUT/INPUT very intensely and occassionally it loses it's place, and I think this might be the reason why. The terminal doesn't seem to always update when it should. Its going to take me about an hour to verify if all my statements are being processed correctly, but before I do that, I want to know precisely what I'm looking for. "Jeffrey Altman" wrote in message news:458a9baa$0$5926$4c368faf@roadrunner.com... > The value is a "timeout" period not a time-you-must-wait-for period. > You could put 1000 there and it wouldn't make a different provided that > the data you are looking for actually arrives. The value is "how long > should I wait if the pattern I was given does not find a match on the > incoming data stream?" > > > > Scott Caissie wrote: >> That is what my tests today showed. >> With this, I'll have macros that will be running in a loop for about >> 50-200 >> times. >> For each, I need only one "INPUT 1" statement at the end to update the >> screen. Up until that point, using a multitude of INPUT 0s works fine. 1 >> of >> my projects will need to update the screen twice. >> I ran one today a few times in a loop of 119 times. Worked perfectly. >> >> Though I wish you could allow for fractions of a second. Or an instaneous >> forced update command. >> That would be my wish list for Version 3.0. >> >> But this so far has helped me a lot. Thanks. >> >> - Scott >> >> "Jeffrey Altman" wrote in message >> news:4589b00f$0$16922$4c368faf@roadrunner.com... >>> Scott Caissie wrote: >>>> I see. I've been testing this out all day, and it works pretty much the >>>> way >>>> I was aiming for. I was never referred to using the INPUT command >>>> before, >>>> and to be honest, I don't understand it 100% yet. I'm basically >>>> mirroring >>>> my >>>> actions. >>>> I do have a question. Is there restrictions about using INPUT 0 ? >>>> This example works fine, but if I use INPUT 0 etc, it won't. I check to >>>> see >>>> if it works by using \Fscrnstr(y,x,n) on a large scale. >>>> >>>> SET INPUT TERMINAL ON >>>> set input echo off >>>> clear input-buffer >>>> define vega { >>>> ..LZ_PRO := \Fscrnstr(0,6,8) >>>> OUTPUT \5\5\5\5\5\5\5\5\57\49\13\49\52\13\m(LZ_PRO)\24 >>>> INPUT 1 \5\5\5\5\5\5\5\5\57\49\13\49\52\13\m(LZ_PRO)\24 >>>> for \%t 1 24 1 { >>>> echo \Fscrnstr(\%t,0,79) >>>> } >>>> } >>> If you use "INPUT 0 " you are not reading any data from the >>> connection. You must use a timeout greater than 0 in order to process >>> data. >>> >>> Jeffrey Altman >> >> From jaltman2@nyc.rr.com Fri Jan 19 11:23:18 2007 Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed-00.mathworks.com!newscon02.news.prodigy.net!prodigy.net!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nx01.iad01.newshosting.com!newshosting.com!post01.iad01!roadrunner.com!not-for-mail Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 08:22:39 -0500 From: Jeffrey Altman Organization: Send private replies to jaltman at mit dot edu User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Macro: Terminal -> Command -> Terminal -> Command? References: <4589b00f$0$16922$4c368faf@roadrunner.com> <458a9baa$0$5926$4c368faf@roadrunner.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 118 Message-ID: <45b0c5ad$0$7740$4c368faf@roadrunner.com> X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15628 What are you expecting OUTPUT \Kdecf06 INPUT \Kdecf06 to do? Since keyboard escape sequences are not going to be echo'd back to the terminal for input processing, it is the equivalent of INPUT "some string that is never ever going to come" You use the INPUT command to wait for the sequence that the host sends in response to the sequence you sent with OUTPUT. Scott Caissie wrote: > Its a pity that it can't be made faster. 1 second is too long when I have a > macro using this numerous times per account. > > Anyway, I discovered an oddity. > Is there a problem with INPUT & Kverbs? > > On of my macros is trying to use F6 (opens a window for me) but it doesn't > function if it is by itself. > I have 3 scenarios listed below. > > Scenario #1 (my original simple setup) > OUTPUT \Kdecf06 > INPUT 1 \Kdecf06 > The terminal won't update. In fact it acts like INPUT 0 \Kdecf06. Theres no > actual pause using 1 rather than 0. > > Scenario #2 > OUTPUT \Klfarr\Kdecf06 > INPUT 1 \Klfarr\Kdecf06 > This also doesn't work....still no actual pause or updating. > > Scenario #3 > OUTPUT \8\Kdecf06 > INPUT 1 \8\Kdecf06 > This works. I was wondering if Kverbs had complications with this. > > > I had another macro which uses OUTPUT/INPUT very intensely and occassionally > it loses it's place, and I think this might be the reason why. The terminal > doesn't seem to always update when it should. Its going to take me about an > hour to verify if all my statements are being processed correctly, but > before I do that, I want to know precisely what I'm looking for. > > > > > "Jeffrey Altman" wrote in message > news:458a9baa$0$5926$4c368faf@roadrunner.com... >> The value is a "timeout" period not a time-you-must-wait-for period. >> You could put 1000 there and it wouldn't make a different provided that >> the data you are looking for actually arrives. The value is "how long >> should I wait if the pattern I was given does not find a match on the >> incoming data stream?" >> >> >> >> Scott Caissie wrote: >>> That is what my tests today showed. >>> With this, I'll have macros that will be running in a loop for about >>> 50-200 >>> times. >>> For each, I need only one "INPUT 1" statement at the end to update the >>> screen. Up until that point, using a multitude of INPUT 0s works fine. 1 >>> of >>> my projects will need to update the screen twice. >>> I ran one today a few times in a loop of 119 times. Worked perfectly. >>> >>> Though I wish you could allow for fractions of a second. Or an instaneous >>> forced update command. >>> That would be my wish list for Version 3.0. >>> >>> But this so far has helped me a lot. Thanks. >>> >>> - Scott >>> >>> "Jeffrey Altman" wrote in message >>> news:4589b00f$0$16922$4c368faf@roadrunner.com... >>>> Scott Caissie wrote: >>>>> I see. I've been testing this out all day, and it works pretty much the >>>>> way >>>>> I was aiming for. I was never referred to using the INPUT command >>>>> before, >>>>> and to be honest, I don't understand it 100% yet. I'm basically >>>>> mirroring >>>>> my >>>>> actions. >>>>> I do have a question. Is there restrictions about using INPUT 0 ? >>>>> This example works fine, but if I use INPUT 0 etc, it won't. I check to >>>>> see >>>>> if it works by using \Fscrnstr(y,x,n) on a large scale. >>>>> >>>>> SET INPUT TERMINAL ON >>>>> set input echo off >>>>> clear input-buffer >>>>> define vega { >>>>> ..LZ_PRO := \Fscrnstr(0,6,8) >>>>> OUTPUT \5\5\5\5\5\5\5\5\57\49\13\49\52\13\m(LZ_PRO)\24 >>>>> INPUT 1 \5\5\5\5\5\5\5\5\57\49\13\49\52\13\m(LZ_PRO)\24 >>>>> for \%t 1 24 1 { >>>>> echo \Fscrnstr(\%t,0,79) >>>>> } >>>>> } >>>> If you use "INPUT 0 " you are not reading any data from the >>>> connection. You must use a timeout greater than 0 in order to process >>>> data. >>>> >>>> Jeffrey Altman >>> > > From scottac@nb.sympatico.ca Fri Jan 19 11:23:56 2007 Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!news2.wam.umd.edu!elk.ncren.net!newsflash.concordia.ca!News.Dal.Ca!ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca!53ab2750!not-for-mail From: "Scott Caissie" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: fixed character length with a non-consistant variable length Lines: 42 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Original Message-ID: Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 07:34:46 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 156.34.63.9 X-Complaints-To: abuse@aliant.net X-Trace: ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca 1169192086 156.34.63.9 (Fri, 19 Jan 2007 03:34:46 AST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 03:34:46 AST Organization: Aliant Internet Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15627 I'm looking for a "simplier" way to force a variable of mixed character length to a fixed character length. For this project, I always want to have MORE characters than the actual variable's size. So I'm trying to add in spaces. Thats my problem. Making it less is easy. Example from my project: .q_formatted := \fstripx(\fsubstr(\m(getdata),1,13),\9) The saved value has up to 13 characters, but mostly it has less. For testing purposes, I'm trying to fixate the saved character length to 20. The reasoning for doing this, is that I want to save a multitude of values into 1 entry within an Array. And by it's character position, other macros can determine what the value is represents. The end result would be: Characters 1-20 = First value Characters 21-25 = Second value Characters 26-30 = Thrid value Characters 31-32 = Forth value Characters 33-36 = Fifth value Characters 37-40 = Sixth value Characters 41-44 = Seveth value I can technically do it, but I'm sure I'm going about it the wrong way. Below is an example I just typed up. It wasn't tested yet. All it does (or should do), is check for the length difference and use the repeat function to add in spaces for the remainder. .q_formatted := \fstripx(\fsubstr(\m(getdata),1,13),\9) if < \flength(\fstripx(\fsubstr(\m(getdata),1,13),\9)) 20 { .q_formatted := \m(q_formatted)\frepeat(\32,\feval(20-\flength(\fstripx(\fsubstr(\m(getdata),1,13),\9)))) } * I'm not at a computer which has the K95 system on it right now so that example I just gave might have improper syntax. I can't recall if its \frepeat(text,integer) or \frepeat(integer,text). - Scott From fdc@panix.com Fri Jan 19 13:28:41 2007 Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!not-for-mail From: Frank da Cruz Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: fixed character length with a non-consistant variable length Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 18:28:31 +0000 (UTC) Organization: PANIX Public Access Internet and UNIX, NYC Lines: 42 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: fdc@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: panix2.panix.com X-Trace: reader2.panix.com 1169231311 16272 166.84.1.2 (19 Jan 2007 18:28:31 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@panix.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 18:28:31 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0 (NetBSD) Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15629 On 2007-01-19, Scott Caissie wrote: : : I'm looking for a "simplier" way to force a variable of mixed character : length to a fixed character length. : : For this project, I always want to have MORE characters than the actual : variable's size. So I'm trying to add in spaces. Thats my problem. Making : it less is easy. : : Example from my project: : .q_formatted := \fstripx(\fsubstr(\m(getdata),1,13),\9) : The saved value has up to 13 characters, but mostly it has less. For : testing purposes, I'm trying to fixate the saved character length to 20. : You can use \flpad() ("Left Pad") and/or \frpad() ("Right Pad") for this. For example, suppose that if a string "foo" is less than 20 bytes long, you want to fill it out on the right with underscores: .foo := .\frpad(\m(foo),20,_) If the string already is 20 or more bytes long, nothing happens to it. To fill the string out with spaces, use either one of these forms: .foo := .\frpad(\m(foo),20,\32) .foo := .\frpad(\m(foo),20) : The reasoning for doing this, is that I want to save a multitude of values : into 1 entry within an Array. And by it's character position, other macros : can determine what the value is represents. : You might find some of the programming and data-type extensions presented here to be useful: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckscripts.html#oops For example this one: ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/scripts/ckermit/matrix shows how to create and use multidimensional arrays. - Frank From scottac@nb.sympatico.ca Fri Jan 19 17:34:22 2007 Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!news2.wam.umd.edu!elk.ncren.net!newsflash.concordia.ca!News.Dal.Ca!ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca!53ab2750!not-for-mail From: "Scott Caissie" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc References: <4589b00f$0$16922$4c368faf@roadrunner.com> <458a9baa$0$5926$4c368faf@roadrunner.com> <45b0c5ad$0$7740$4c368faf@roadrunner.com> Subject: Re: Macro: Terminal -> Command -> Terminal -> Command? Lines: 145 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Original Message-ID: Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 20:51:57 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 156.34.63.9 X-Complaints-To: abuse@aliant.net X-Trace: ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca 1169239917 156.34.63.9 (Fri, 19 Jan 2007 16:51:57 AST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 16:51:57 AST Organization: Aliant Internet Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15630 I expect these commands to send and process the F6 key to the Terminal. The Terminal (for me) recognizes this as the Function Key for opening up various windows. And the command does in fact work. It sends out the F6 command to be processed by the Terminal.... but not when its alone. Its works as expected when its proceeded by a non-\Kverb. So I just throw in non-harmful keys in front of some of my sequences to guarantee that it will run properly. That sounds very much like a bug. "Jeffrey Altman" wrote in message news:45b0c5ad$0$7740$4c368faf@roadrunner.com... > What are you expecting > > OUTPUT \Kdecf06 > INPUT \Kdecf06 > > to do? > > Since keyboard escape sequences are not going to be echo'd back to the > terminal for input processing, it is the equivalent of > > INPUT "some string that is never ever going to come" > > You use the INPUT command to wait for the sequence that the host sends > in response to the sequence you sent with OUTPUT. > > > > Scott Caissie wrote: >> Its a pity that it can't be made faster. 1 second is too long when I have >> a >> macro using this numerous times per account. >> >> Anyway, I discovered an oddity. >> Is there a problem with INPUT & Kverbs? >> >> On of my macros is trying to use F6 (opens a window for me) but it >> doesn't >> function if it is by itself. >> I have 3 scenarios listed below. >> >> Scenario #1 (my original simple setup) >> OUTPUT \Kdecf06 >> INPUT 1 \Kdecf06 >> The terminal won't update. In fact it acts like INPUT 0 \Kdecf06. Theres >> no >> actual pause using 1 rather than 0. >> >> Scenario #2 >> OUTPUT \Klfarr\Kdecf06 >> INPUT 1 \Klfarr\Kdecf06 >> This also doesn't work....still no actual pause or updating. >> >> Scenario #3 >> OUTPUT \8\Kdecf06 >> INPUT 1 \8\Kdecf06 >> This works. I was wondering if Kverbs had complications with this. >> >> >> I had another macro which uses OUTPUT/INPUT very intensely and >> occassionally >> it loses it's place, and I think this might be the reason why. The >> terminal >> doesn't seem to always update when it should. Its going to take me about >> an >> hour to verify if all my statements are being processed correctly, but >> before I do that, I want to know precisely what I'm looking for. >> >> >> >> >> "Jeffrey Altman" wrote in message >> news:458a9baa$0$5926$4c368faf@roadrunner.com... >>> The value is a "timeout" period not a time-you-must-wait-for period. >>> You could put 1000 there and it wouldn't make a different provided that >>> the data you are looking for actually arrives. The value is "how long >>> should I wait if the pattern I was given does not find a match on the >>> incoming data stream?" >>> >>> >>> >>> Scott Caissie wrote: >>>> That is what my tests today showed. >>>> With this, I'll have macros that will be running in a loop for about >>>> 50-200 >>>> times. >>>> For each, I need only one "INPUT 1" statement at the end to update the >>>> screen. Up until that point, using a multitude of INPUT 0s works fine. >>>> 1 >>>> of >>>> my projects will need to update the screen twice. >>>> I ran one today a few times in a loop of 119 times. Worked perfectly. >>>> >>>> Though I wish you could allow for fractions of a second. Or an >>>> instaneous >>>> forced update command. >>>> That would be my wish list for Version 3.0. >>>> >>>> But this so far has helped me a lot. Thanks. >>>> >>>> - Scott >>>> >>>> "Jeffrey Altman" wrote in message >>>> news:4589b00f$0$16922$4c368faf@roadrunner.com... >>>>> Scott Caissie wrote: >>>>>> I see. I've been testing this out all day, and it works pretty much >>>>>> the >>>>>> way >>>>>> I was aiming for. I was never referred to using the INPUT command >>>>>> before, >>>>>> and to be honest, I don't understand it 100% yet. I'm basically >>>>>> mirroring >>>>>> my >>>>>> actions. >>>>>> I do have a question. Is there restrictions about using INPUT 0 >>>>>> ? >>>>>> This example works fine, but if I use INPUT 0 etc, it won't. I check >>>>>> to >>>>>> see >>>>>> if it works by using \Fscrnstr(y,x,n) on a large scale. >>>>>> >>>>>> SET INPUT TERMINAL ON >>>>>> set input echo off >>>>>> clear input-buffer >>>>>> define vega { >>>>>> ..LZ_PRO := \Fscrnstr(0,6,8) >>>>>> OUTPUT \5\5\5\5\5\5\5\5\57\49\13\49\52\13\m(LZ_PRO)\24 >>>>>> INPUT 1 \5\5\5\5\5\5\5\5\57\49\13\49\52\13\m(LZ_PRO)\24 >>>>>> for \%t 1 24 1 { >>>>>> echo \Fscrnstr(\%t,0,79) >>>>>> } >>>>>> } >>>>> If you use "INPUT 0 " you are not reading any data from the >>>>> connection. You must use a timeout greater than 0 in order to process >>>>> data. >>>>> >>>>> Jeffrey Altman >>>> >> >> From scottac@nb.sympatico.ca Fri Jan 19 17:34:22 2007 Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!news2.wam.umd.edu!elk.ncren.net!newsflash.concordia.ca!News.Dal.Ca!ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca!53ab2750!not-for-mail From: "Scott Caissie" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc References: <4589b00f$0$16922$4c368faf@roadrunner.com> <458a9baa$0$5926$4c368faf@roadrunner.com> <45b0c5ad$0$7740$4c368faf@roadrunner.com> Subject: Re: Macro: Terminal -> Command -> Terminal -> Command? Lines: 145 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Original Message-ID: Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 20:51:57 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 156.34.63.9 X-Complaints-To: abuse@aliant.net X-Trace: ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca 1169239917 156.34.63.9 (Fri, 19 Jan 2007 16:51:57 AST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 16:51:57 AST Organization: Aliant Internet Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15630 I expect these commands to send and process the F6 key to the Terminal. The Terminal (for me) recognizes this as the Function Key for opening up various windows. And the command does in fact work. It sends out the F6 command to be processed by the Terminal.... but not when its alone. Its works as expected when its proceeded by a non-\Kverb. So I just throw in non-harmful keys in front of some of my sequences to guarantee that it will run properly. That sounds very much like a bug. "Jeffrey Altman" wrote in message news:45b0c5ad$0$7740$4c368faf@roadrunner.com... > What are you expecting > > OUTPUT \Kdecf06 > INPUT \Kdecf06 > > to do? > > Since keyboard escape sequences are not going to be echo'd back to the > terminal for input processing, it is the equivalent of > > INPUT "some string that is never ever going to come" > > You use the INPUT command to wait for the sequence that the host sends > in response to the sequence you sent with OUTPUT. > > > > Scott Caissie wrote: >> Its a pity that it can't be made faster. 1 second is too long when I have >> a >> macro using this numerous times per account. >> >> Anyway, I discovered an oddity. >> Is there a problem with INPUT & Kverbs? >> >> On of my macros is trying to use F6 (opens a window for me) but it >> doesn't >> function if it is by itself. >> I have 3 scenarios listed below. >> >> Scenario #1 (my original simple setup) >> OUTPUT \Kdecf06 >> INPUT 1 \Kdecf06 >> The terminal won't update. In fact it acts like INPUT 0 \Kdecf06. Theres >> no >> actual pause using 1 rather than 0. >> >> Scenario #2 >> OUTPUT \Klfarr\Kdecf06 >> INPUT 1 \Klfarr\Kdecf06 >> This also doesn't work....still no actual pause or updating. >> >> Scenario #3 >> OUTPUT \8\Kdecf06 >> INPUT 1 \8\Kdecf06 >> This works. I was wondering if Kverbs had complications with this. >> >> >> I had another macro which uses OUTPUT/INPUT very intensely and >> occassionally >> it loses it's place, and I think this might be the reason why. The >> terminal >> doesn't seem to always update when it should. Its going to take me about >> an >> hour to verify if all my statements are being processed correctly, but >> before I do that, I want to know precisely what I'm looking for. >> >> >> >> >> "Jeffrey Altman" wrote in message >> news:458a9baa$0$5926$4c368faf@roadrunner.com... >>> The value is a "timeout" period not a time-you-must-wait-for period. >>> You could put 1000 there and it wouldn't make a different provided that >>> the data you are looking for actually arrives. The value is "how long >>> should I wait if the pattern I was given does not find a match on the >>> incoming data stream?" >>> >>> >>> >>> Scott Caissie wrote: >>>> That is what my tests today showed. >>>> With this, I'll have macros that will be running in a loop for about >>>> 50-200 >>>> times. >>>> For each, I need only one "INPUT 1" statement at the end to update the >>>> screen. Up until that point, using a multitude of INPUT 0s works fine. >>>> 1 >>>> of >>>> my projects will need to update the screen twice. >>>> I ran one today a few times in a loop of 119 times. Worked perfectly. >>>> >>>> Though I wish you could allow for fractions of a second. Or an >>>> instaneous >>>> forced update command. >>>> That would be my wish list for Version 3.0. >>>> >>>> But this so far has helped me a lot. Thanks. >>>> >>>> - Scott >>>> >>>> "Jeffrey Altman" wrote in message >>>> news:4589b00f$0$16922$4c368faf@roadrunner.com... >>>>> Scott Caissie wrote: >>>>>> I see. I've been testing this out all day, and it works pretty much >>>>>> the >>>>>> way >>>>>> I was aiming for. I was never referred to using the INPUT command >>>>>> before, >>>>>> and to be honest, I don't understand it 100% yet. I'm basically >>>>>> mirroring >>>>>> my >>>>>> actions. >>>>>> I do have a question. Is there restrictions about using INPUT 0 >>>>>> ? >>>>>> This example works fine, but if I use INPUT 0 etc, it won't. I check >>>>>> to >>>>>> see >>>>>> if it works by using \Fscrnstr(y,x,n) on a large scale. >>>>>> >>>>>> SET INPUT TERMINAL ON >>>>>> set input echo off >>>>>> clear input-buffer >>>>>> define vega { >>>>>> ..LZ_PRO := \Fscrnstr(0,6,8) >>>>>> OUTPUT \5\5\5\5\5\5\5\5\57\49\13\49\52\13\m(LZ_PRO)\24 >>>>>> INPUT 1 \5\5\5\5\5\5\5\5\57\49\13\49\52\13\m(LZ_PRO)\24 >>>>>> for \%t 1 24 1 { >>>>>> echo \Fscrnstr(\%t,0,79) >>>>>> } >>>>>> } >>>>> If you use "INPUT 0 " you are not reading any data from the >>>>> connection. You must use a timeout greater than 0 in order to process >>>>> data. >>>>> >>>>> Jeffrey Altman >>>> >> >> From trosien@gmail.com Wed Jan 24 14:09:14 2007 Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed-00.mathworks.com!newsfeed2.dallas1.level3.net!news.level3.com!postnews.google.com!l53g2000cwa.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: trosien@gmail.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Simple ESC sequences send a lowercase letter instead of uppercase when using ibm3151 emulation Date: 24 Jan 2007 10:53:17 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 26 Message-ID: <1169664795.638855.108790@l53g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.179.147.18 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Trace: posting.google.com 1169664812 29044 127.0.0.1 (24 Jan 2007 18:53:32 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 18:53:32 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.8.1.1) Gecko/20061204 Firefox/2.0.0.1,gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: l53g2000cwa.googlegroups.com; posting-host=198.179.147.18; posting-account=s_A_ng0AAAAZot8BVlSBlT2AZhbukKIy Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15633 I have Kermit v2.1.3 and have notice that when using the ibm3151 emulation that when trying to send an ESC X where X is any capital letter, that what gets transmitted is actually the lowercase of the same letter. I was trying to map the Gray Delete key to send \{27}\{81} i.e. (ESCQ) which is what a host is expecting to see for DEL as opposed to the Kermit default of \{127}. When sending ESCQ what actually gets sent on the wire is ESCq with any single letter coming after the ESC getting translated to lowercase. Any ideas why the case conversion occurs? other emulations I tried seem to be fine, but not ibm3151. This occurs with any simple uppercase ESC X call thought other more complex calls are fine. An attempt to send ESCQQ which transmits as ESCQQ so my workaround right now is to map the del to use an artificially complex sequence by adding offsetting right and left cursor moves to get it to work. set term key ibm3151 /literal \4398 \{27}\{81}\krtarr\klfarr Hope this helps someone and perhaps the reason for this can be discovered and or fixed should another release of Kermit be issued. Hope this helps someone. anyone have any ideas why it happens tho? Have a GREAT day! From fdc@panix.com Wed Jan 24 14:23:19 2007 Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!not-for-mail From: Frank Da Cruz Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Simple ESC sequences send a lowercase letter instead of uppercase when using ibm3151 emulation Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 19:23:14 +0000 (UTC) Organization: PANIX Public Access Internet and UNIX, NYC Lines: 39 Message-ID: References: <1169664795.638855.108790@l53g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Reply-To: fdc@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: panix1.panix.com X-Trace: reader2.panix.com 1169666594 22459 166.84.1.1 (24 Jan 2007 19:23:14 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@panix.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 19:23:14 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0 (NetBSD) Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15634 On 2007-01-24, trosien@gmail.com wrote: : I have Kermit v2.1.3 and have notice that when using the ibm3151 : emulation that when trying to send an ESC X where X is any capital : letter, that what gets transmitted is actually the lowercase of the : same letter. : : I was trying to map the Gray Delete key to send \{27}\{81} i.e. : (ESCQ) which is what a host is expecting to see for DEL as opposed to : the Kermit default of \{127}. When sending ESCQ what actually gets : sent on the wire is ESCq with any single letter coming after the ESC : getting translated to lowercase. : : Any ideas why the case conversion occurs? other emulations I tried : seem to be fine, but not ibm3151. This occurs with any simple : uppercase ESC X call thought other more complex calls are fine. An : attempt to send ESCQQ which transmits as ESCQQ so my workaround right : now is to map the del to use an artificially complex sequence by adding : offsetting right and left cursor moves to get it to work. : : set term key ibm3151 /literal \4398 \{27}\{81}\krtarr\klfarr : : Hope this helps someone and perhaps the reason for this can be : discovered and or fixed should another release of Kermit be issued. : Hope this helps someone. anyone have any ideas why it happens tho? : We've known about this bug for some time; it's listed in: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ftp/k95/newbugs.txt as Bug #723. As noted there, it is fixed in the next release; which is discussed here: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95next.html A copy of K95 patched to fix this bug is available as described here: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/support.html - Frank From arthur.marsh@internode.on.net Tue Jan 30 14:13:31 2007 Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.media.kyoto-u.ac.jp!newsfeeds.ihug.co.nz!ihug.co.nz!ken-transit.news.telstra.net!lon-in.news.telstra.net!news.telstra.net!news-server.bigpond.net.au!53ab2750!not-for-mail From: Arthur Marsh User-Agent: Icedove 1.5.0.9 (X11/20061220) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: C-Kermit example: querying a news server Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: Lines: 53 Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 13:18:36 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 124.177.207.179 X-Complaints-To: abuse@bigpond.net.au X-Trace: news-server.bigpond.net.au 1169990316 124.177.207.179 (Mon, 29 Jan 2007 00:18:36 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 00:18:36 EST Organization: BigPond Internet Services Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15635 Please respond if you see this posting. I've been using C-Kermit to query my ISP's news server. My local timezone is 10 hours and 30 minutes ahead of UTC. Once connected, I hit enter once, then issue the command date then enter, then quit then enter, to return back to the C-Kermit prompt: C-Kermit 8.0.212 Dev.26, 20 Dec 2006, for Linux Copyright (C) 1985, 2006, Trustees of Columbia University in the City of New York. Type ? or HELP for help. (/home/amarsh04/) C-Kermit>set telnet wait off (/home/amarsh04/) C-Kermit>date -10:30 20070128 12:33:13 (/home/amarsh04/) C-Kermit>telnet news.bigpond.com nntp DNS Lookup... Trying 61.9.191.5... Reverse DNS Lookup... (OK) Connecting to host news-server.bigpond.net.au:119 Escape character: Ctrl-\ (ASCII 28, FS): enabled Type the escape character followed by C to get back, or followed by ? to see other options. ---------------------------------------------------- 200 Welcome to BigPond Broadband - http://www.telstra.com/ (Typhoon v2.0.4.336) 500 Syntax Error or Unknown Command date 111 20070128130858 quit 205 GoodBye Communications disconnect (Back at localhost) ---------------------------------------------------- (/home/amarsh04/) C-Kermit>date -10:30 20070128 12:33:33 (/home/amarsh04/) C-Kermit>q amarsh04@victoria:~$ [end quote] This illustrates that the news server's clock is running about 35 minutes fast. Arthur. From dlewis@dawsoncollege.qc.ca Tue Jan 30 14:14:11 2007 Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed-00.mathworks.com!newscon02.news.prodigy.net!prodigy.net!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!local01.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.clg.qc.ca!news.clg.qc.ca.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 08:31:17 -0600 From: "Don Lewis" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: record length translate Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 09:31:42 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Original X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Message-ID: Lines: 14 NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.168.50.26 X-Trace: sv3-P7X3a076xHaUmPjp5rBiz5dCLqXzGOQIUI+adVzB0KNqEX6+2LCUMISG78O58/IKzF07HBg4MHoj0OT!ZSoyq5pwqAsOxKVTeAW6mK6YTbU1JZ9eJv/yI0UvBtsQUPo8ZPU5gcxwHVhABFEbGcW5wxAUVJ3r!whb3WVQ= X-Complaints-To: abuse@clg.qc.ca X-DMCA-Complaints-To: abuse@clg.qc.ca X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.32 Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15636 I'm using Kermit 8.0.209 under VMS 7.3-2 I receive a ziped archive of files which are created on a system using code page 850. I need the data to be iso-latin1. Kermit translates the characters correctly using the command translate source-file cp850 latin1-iso translated-file. The problem is that Kermit breaks up records that are longer than 254 bytes into multiple 254 byte records. The incoming file is defined as stream_lf with carriage return carriage control. I can convert the file to variable with a declared record length, but Kermit still breaks up long records. Is there a setting to change this behavior, or is 254 bytes a Kermit limitation? Thanks, Don Lewis From fdc@panix.com Tue Jan 30 14:20:19 2007 Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!not-for-mail From: Frank da Cruz Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: record length translate Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 19:20:11 +0000 (UTC) Organization: PANIX Public Access Internet and UNIX, NYC Lines: 23 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: fdc@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: panix2.panix.com X-Trace: reader2.panix.com 1170184811 5016 166.84.1.2 (30 Jan 2007 19:20:11 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@panix.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 19:20:11 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0 (NetBSD) Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15637 On 2007-01-29, Don Lewis wrote: : I'm using Kermit 8.0.209 under VMS 7.3-2 : I receive a ziped archive of files which are created on a system using code : page 850. I need the data to be iso-latin1. Kermit translates the : characters correctly using the command translate source-file cp850 : latin1-iso translated-file. The problem is that Kermit breaks up records : that are longer than 254 bytes into multiple 254 byte records. The incoming : file is defined as stream_lf with carriage return carriage control. I can : convert the file to variable with a declared record length, but Kermit still : breaks up long records. Is there a setting to change this behavior, or is : 254 bytes a Kermit limitation? : I believe it's just that, in the TRANSLATE command (as in the COPY command), Kermit just uses regular C library i/o, rather than RMS. If you transferred the files unzipped, Kermit could convert the character sets on the fly ("set file character-set", "set transfer character-set") and store them in a sensible record format. There might be a way to force matters using some crazy syntax in the destination filename, but I don't remember enough about VMS to say for sure. Of course, any VMS programmers are welcome to take a look at this and jump in. - Frank From arthur.marsh@internode.on.net Tue Jan 30 14:13:31 2007 Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.media.kyoto-u.ac.jp!newsfeeds.ihug.co.nz!ihug.co.nz!ken-transit.news.telstra.net!lon-in.news.telstra.net!news.telstra.net!news-server.bigpond.net.au!53ab2750!not-for-mail From: Arthur Marsh User-Agent: Icedove 1.5.0.9 (X11/20061220) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: C-Kermit example: querying a news server Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: Lines: 53 Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 13:18:36 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 124.177.207.179 X-Complaints-To: abuse@bigpond.net.au X-Trace: news-server.bigpond.net.au 1169990316 124.177.207.179 (Mon, 29 Jan 2007 00:18:36 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 00:18:36 EST Organization: BigPond Internet Services Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15635 Please respond if you see this posting. I've been using C-Kermit to query my ISP's news server. My local timezone is 10 hours and 30 minutes ahead of UTC. Once connected, I hit enter once, then issue the command date then enter, then quit then enter, to return back to the C-Kermit prompt: C-Kermit 8.0.212 Dev.26, 20 Dec 2006, for Linux Copyright (C) 1985, 2006, Trustees of Columbia University in the City of New York. Type ? or HELP for help. (/home/amarsh04/) C-Kermit>set telnet wait off (/home/amarsh04/) C-Kermit>date -10:30 20070128 12:33:13 (/home/amarsh04/) C-Kermit>telnet news.bigpond.com nntp DNS Lookup... Trying 61.9.191.5... Reverse DNS Lookup... (OK) Connecting to host news-server.bigpond.net.au:119 Escape character: Ctrl-\ (ASCII 28, FS): enabled Type the escape character followed by C to get back, or followed by ? to see other options. ---------------------------------------------------- 200 Welcome to BigPond Broadband - http://www.telstra.com/ (Typhoon v2.0.4.336) 500 Syntax Error or Unknown Command date 111 20070128130858 quit 205 GoodBye Communications disconnect (Back at localhost) ---------------------------------------------------- (/home/amarsh04/) C-Kermit>date -10:30 20070128 12:33:33 (/home/amarsh04/) C-Kermit>q amarsh04@victoria:~$ [end quote] This illustrates that the news server's clock is running about 35 minutes fast. Arthur. From dlewis@dawsoncollege.qc.ca Tue Jan 30 14:14:11 2007 Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed-00.mathworks.com!newscon02.news.prodigy.net!prodigy.net!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!local01.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.clg.qc.ca!news.clg.qc.ca.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 08:31:17 -0600 From: "Don Lewis" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: record length translate Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 09:31:42 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Original X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Message-ID: Lines: 14 NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.168.50.26 X-Trace: sv3-P7X3a076xHaUmPjp5rBiz5dCLqXzGOQIUI+adVzB0KNqEX6+2LCUMISG78O58/IKzF07HBg4MHoj0OT!ZSoyq5pwqAsOxKVTeAW6mK6YTbU1JZ9eJv/yI0UvBtsQUPo8ZPU5gcxwHVhABFEbGcW5wxAUVJ3r!whb3WVQ= X-Complaints-To: abuse@clg.qc.ca X-DMCA-Complaints-To: abuse@clg.qc.ca X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.32 Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15636 I'm using Kermit 8.0.209 under VMS 7.3-2 I receive a ziped archive of files which are created on a system using code page 850. I need the data to be iso-latin1. Kermit translates the characters correctly using the command translate source-file cp850 latin1-iso translated-file. The problem is that Kermit breaks up records that are longer than 254 bytes into multiple 254 byte records. The incoming file is defined as stream_lf with carriage return carriage control. I can convert the file to variable with a declared record length, but Kermit still breaks up long records. Is there a setting to change this behavior, or is 254 bytes a Kermit limitation? Thanks, Don Lewis From fdc@panix.com Tue Jan 30 14:20:19 2007 Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!not-for-mail From: Frank da Cruz Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: record length translate Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 19:20:11 +0000 (UTC) Organization: PANIX Public Access Internet and UNIX, NYC Lines: 23 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: fdc@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: panix2.panix.com X-Trace: reader2.panix.com 1170184811 5016 166.84.1.2 (30 Jan 2007 19:20:11 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@panix.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 19:20:11 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0 (NetBSD) Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15637 On 2007-01-29, Don Lewis wrote: : I'm using Kermit 8.0.209 under VMS 7.3-2 : I receive a ziped archive of files which are created on a system using code : page 850. I need the data to be iso-latin1. Kermit translates the : characters correctly using the command translate source-file cp850 : latin1-iso translated-file. The problem is that Kermit breaks up records : that are longer than 254 bytes into multiple 254 byte records. The incoming : file is defined as stream_lf with carriage return carriage control. I can : convert the file to variable with a declared record length, but Kermit still : breaks up long records. Is there a setting to change this behavior, or is : 254 bytes a Kermit limitation? : I believe it's just that, in the TRANSLATE command (as in the COPY command), Kermit just uses regular C library i/o, rather than RMS. If you transferred the files unzipped, Kermit could convert the character sets on the fly ("set file character-set", "set transfer character-set") and store them in a sensible record format. There might be a way to force matters using some crazy syntax in the destination filename, but I don't remember enough about VMS to say for sure. Of course, any VMS programmers are welcome to take a look at this and jump in. - Frank From arthur.marsh@internode.on.net Tue Jan 30 14:13:31 2007 Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.media.kyoto-u.ac.jp!newsfeeds.ihug.co.nz!ihug.co.nz!ken-transit.news.telstra.net!lon-in.news.telstra.net!news.telstra.net!news-server.bigpond.net.au!53ab2750!not-for-mail From: Arthur Marsh User-Agent: Icedove 1.5.0.9 (X11/20061220) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: C-Kermit example: querying a news server Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: Lines: 53 Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 13:18:36 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 124.177.207.179 X-Complaints-To: abuse@bigpond.net.au X-Trace: news-server.bigpond.net.au 1169990316 124.177.207.179 (Mon, 29 Jan 2007 00:18:36 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 00:18:36 EST Organization: BigPond Internet Services Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15635 Please respond if you see this posting. I've been using C-Kermit to query my ISP's news server. My local timezone is 10 hours and 30 minutes ahead of UTC. Once connected, I hit enter once, then issue the command date then enter, then quit then enter, to return back to the C-Kermit prompt: C-Kermit 8.0.212 Dev.26, 20 Dec 2006, for Linux Copyright (C) 1985, 2006, Trustees of Columbia University in the City of New York. Type ? or HELP for help. (/home/amarsh04/) C-Kermit>set telnet wait off (/home/amarsh04/) C-Kermit>date -10:30 20070128 12:33:13 (/home/amarsh04/) C-Kermit>telnet news.bigpond.com nntp DNS Lookup... Trying 61.9.191.5... Reverse DNS Lookup... (OK) Connecting to host news-server.bigpond.net.au:119 Escape character: Ctrl-\ (ASCII 28, FS): enabled Type the escape character followed by C to get back, or followed by ? to see other options. ---------------------------------------------------- 200 Welcome to BigPond Broadband - http://www.telstra.com/ (Typhoon v2.0.4.336) 500 Syntax Error or Unknown Command date 111 20070128130858 quit 205 GoodBye Communications disconnect (Back at localhost) ---------------------------------------------------- (/home/amarsh04/) C-Kermit>date -10:30 20070128 12:33:33 (/home/amarsh04/) C-Kermit>q amarsh04@victoria:~$ [end quote] This illustrates that the news server's clock is running about 35 minutes fast. Arthur. From dlewis@dawsoncollege.qc.ca Tue Jan 30 14:14:11 2007 Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed-00.mathworks.com!newscon02.news.prodigy.net!prodigy.net!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!local01.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.clg.qc.ca!news.clg.qc.ca.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 08:31:17 -0600 From: "Don Lewis" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: record length translate Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 09:31:42 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Original X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Message-ID: Lines: 14 NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.168.50.26 X-Trace: sv3-P7X3a076xHaUmPjp5rBiz5dCLqXzGOQIUI+adVzB0KNqEX6+2LCUMISG78O58/IKzF07HBg4MHoj0OT!ZSoyq5pwqAsOxKVTeAW6mK6YTbU1JZ9eJv/yI0UvBtsQUPo8ZPU5gcxwHVhABFEbGcW5wxAUVJ3r!whb3WVQ= X-Complaints-To: abuse@clg.qc.ca X-DMCA-Complaints-To: abuse@clg.qc.ca X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.32 Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15636 I'm using Kermit 8.0.209 under VMS 7.3-2 I receive a ziped archive of files which are created on a system using code page 850. I need the data to be iso-latin1. Kermit translates the characters correctly using the command translate source-file cp850 latin1-iso translated-file. The problem is that Kermit breaks up records that are longer than 254 bytes into multiple 254 byte records. The incoming file is defined as stream_lf with carriage return carriage control. I can convert the file to variable with a declared record length, but Kermit still breaks up long records. Is there a setting to change this behavior, or is 254 bytes a Kermit limitation? Thanks, Don Lewis From fdc@panix.com Tue Jan 30 14:20:19 2007 Path: reader2.panix.com!reader1.panix.com!panix!not-for-mail From: Frank da Cruz Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: record length translate Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 19:20:11 +0000 (UTC) Organization: PANIX Public Access Internet and UNIX, NYC Lines: 23 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: fdc@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: panix2.panix.com X-Trace: reader2.panix.com 1170184811 5016 166.84.1.2 (30 Jan 2007 19:20:11 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@panix.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 19:20:11 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0 (NetBSD) Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15637 On 2007-01-29, Don Lewis wrote: : I'm using Kermit 8.0.209 under VMS 7.3-2 : I receive a ziped archive of files which are created on a system using code : page 850. I need the data to be iso-latin1. Kermit translates the : characters correctly using the command translate source-file cp850 : latin1-iso translated-file. The problem is that Kermit breaks up records : that are longer than 254 bytes into multiple 254 byte records. The incoming : file is defined as stream_lf with carriage return carriage control. I can : convert the file to variable with a declared record length, but Kermit still : breaks up long records. Is there a setting to change this behavior, or is : 254 bytes a Kermit limitation? : I believe it's just that, in the TRANSLATE command (as in the COPY command), Kermit just uses regular C library i/o, rather than RMS. If you transferred the files unzipped, Kermit could convert the character sets on the fly ("set file character-set", "set transfer character-set") and store them in a sensible record format. There might be a way to force matters using some crazy syntax in the destination filename, but I don't remember enough about VMS to say for sure. Of course, any VMS programmers are welcome to take a look at this and jump in. - Frank From gquiring@gmail.com Thu Feb 15 12:05:43 2007 Path: reader2.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.media.kyoto-u.ac.jp!newsfeed.gamma.ru!Gamma.RU!postnews.google.com!v45g2000cwv.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: "Gary Quiring" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: SSL Solaris 9 compile errors Date: 14 Feb 2007 09:36:13 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 28 Message-ID: <1171474573.115000.277200@v45g2000cwv.googlegroups.com> References: <1171461754.452734.293090@a75g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 67.84.124.177 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Trace: posting.google.com 1171474588 13893 127.0.0.1 (14 Feb 2007 17:36:28 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 17:36:28 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 7.0; Windows NT 5.1; Avant Browser; .NET CLR 1.1.4322; .NET CLR 2.0.50727; InfoPath.1),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: v45g2000cwv.googlegroups.com; posting-host=67.84.124.177; posting-account=FQhNKw0AAABpZoI-99pbw0OCE1cm_48O Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15642 On Feb 14, 10:47 am, Frank Da Cruz wrote: > On 2007-02-14, Gary Quiring wrote: > : I am trying to compile kermit 8.0.211 with Solaris 9 (Sparc). My > : openssl ver is 0.9.8d > : > : Makeline: make solaris9g+openssl+shadow+pam+zlib > :... > : /usr/local/ssl/include/openssl/rsa.h:336: error: parse error before > : numeric constant > : > Like it says in the makefile in the comments on that makefile target: > > #Add -DOPENSSL_097 for OpenSSL 0.9.7 or later. > > So use: > > make solaris9g+openssl+shadow+pam+zlib KFLAGS=-DOPENSSL_097 > > If somebody knows a way to get the OpenSSL version number from the shell > command line, we could have the makefile figure this out automatically. > > - Frank I tried the above make line but I get the exact same error. Thanks Gary From scottac@nb.sympatico.ca Thu Feb 15 12:23:21 2007 Path: reader2.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.media.kyoto-u.ac.jp!newshub.sdsu.edu!msrtrans!News.Dal.Ca!ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca!53ab2750!not-for-mail From: "Scott Caissie" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Interfacing with Excel documents Lines: 12 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Original Message-ID: Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 07:19:41 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 156.34.33.239 X-Complaints-To: abuse@aliant.net X-Trace: ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca 1171523981 156.34.33.239 (Thu, 15 Feb 2007 03:19:41 AST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 03:19:41 AST Organization: Aliant Internet Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15643 Hi, I was wondering if the K95 2.1.3 system has any commands that can make any sense of Excel documents. At the very least, being able to properly detect rows & columns, and possibly the page number. For the time being I have been copy and pasting from Excel into Notepad then running a macro through it using \fsplit() to delimit using tabs (\9) to get data off the proper columns. This process works but is problematic. - Scott From arthur.marsh@internode.on.net Thu Feb 15 12:23:37 2007 Path: reader2.panix.com!panix!news.linkpendium.com!news.linkpendium.com!newsfeeds.ihug.co.nz!ihug.co.nz!ken-transit.news.telstra.net!lon-in.news.telstra.net!news.telstra.net!news-server.bigpond.net.au!53ab2750!not-for-mail From: Arthur Marsh User-Agent: Icedove 1.5.0.9 (X11/20061220) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Interfacing with Excel documents References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <5hrda4-qrf.ln1@CPE-138-217-213-250.sa.bigpond.net.au> Lines: 19 Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 11:08:05 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 143.238.193.171 X-Complaints-To: abuse@bigpond.net.au X-Trace: news-server.bigpond.net.au 1171537685 143.238.193.171 (Thu, 15 Feb 2007 22:08:05 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 22:08:05 EST Organization: BigPond Internet Services Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15644 Scott Caissie wrote, On 15/02/07 17:49: > Hi, I was wondering if the K95 2.1.3 system has any commands that can make > any sense of Excel documents. > At the very least, being able to properly detect rows & columns, and > possibly the page number. > > For the time being I have been copy and pasting from Excel into Notepad then > running a macro through it using \fsplit() to delimit using tabs (\9) to get > data off the proper columns. This process works but is problematic. > > - Scott > > I would try using OpenOffice.org's command-line options to export from an .xls spreadsheet to some decent delimited text format, then import it into K95. Arthur. From fdc@panix.com Thu Feb 15 12:23:46 2007 Path: reader2.panix.com!panix!not-for-mail From: Frank da Cruz Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: SSL Solaris 9 compile errors Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 17:22:53 +0000 (UTC) Organization: PANIX Public Access Internet and UNIX, NYC Lines: 52 Message-ID: References: <1171461754.452734.293090@a75g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> <1171474573.115000.277200@v45g2000cwv.googlegroups.com> Reply-To: fdc@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: panix2.panix.com X-Trace: reader2.panix.com 1171560173 17884 166.84.1.2 (15 Feb 2007 17:22:53 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@panix.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 17:22:53 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0 (NetBSD) Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15645 On 2007-02-14, Gary Quiring wrote: : On Feb 14, 10:47 am, Frank da Cruz wrote: :> On 2007-02-14, Gary Quiring wrote: :> : I am trying to compile kermit 8.0.211 with Solaris 9 (Sparc). My :> : openssl ver is 0.9.8d :> : :> : Makeline: make solaris9g+openssl+shadow+pam+zlib :> :... :> : /usr/local/ssl/include/openssl/rsa.h:336: error: parse error before :> : numeric constant :> : :> Like it says in the makefile in the comments on that makefile target: :> :> #Add -DOPENSSL_097 for OpenSSL 0.9.7 or later. :> :> So use: :> :> make solaris9g+openssl+shadow+pam+zlib KFLAGS=-DOPENSSL_097 :> :> If somebody knows a way to get the OpenSSL version number from the shell :> command line, we could have the makefile figure this out automatically. :> :> - Frank : : I tried the above make line but I get the exact same error. : I have Solaris 9 here, with OpenSSL 0.9.8d, and "It Works For Me" (TM). To build C-Kermit with OpenSSL, you need to use one of the appropriate makefile targets (which you did), plus: . If the OpenSSL version is 0.9.7 or greater (a point where the API changed), you have to add -DOPENSSL_097 to CFLAGS (which can be done as shown above); . If the OpenSSL header files are not in /usr/local/ssl/include, you have to change or override the definitions of "prefix" or "sslroot" or SSLINCL in the makefile. . If the OpenSSL libraries are not in /usr/local/ssl/lib, you have to change or override the definitions of "prefix" or "sslroot" or SSLLIB in the makefile. At Columbia, we have to do all these things, because around here (or maybe in Solaris in general) "/usr/local" is "deprecated": Here is the procedure: export SSLINC=-I/opt/openssl-0.9.8d/include export SSLLIB=-L/opt/openssl-0.9.8d/lib export "KFLAGS=-DOPENSSL_097 -DCK_FORWARD_X -D_FILE_OFFSET_BITS=64" make -e solaris9g+openssl+shadow+pam+zlib - Frank From gquiring@gmail.com Fri Feb 16 15:34:40 2007 Path: reader2.panix.com!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews.google.com!v33g2000cwv.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: "Gary Quiring" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: SSL Solaris 9 compile errors Date: 15 Feb 2007 16:20:54 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 157 Message-ID: <1171585254.113397.40400@v33g2000cwv.googlegroups.com> References: <1171461754.452734.293090@a75g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> <1171474573.115000.277200@v45g2000cwv.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 67.84.124.177 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Trace: posting.google.com 1171585278 31717 127.0.0.1 (16 Feb 2007 00:21:18 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 00:21:18 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 7.0; Windows NT 5.1; Avant Browser; .NET CLR 1.1.4322; .NET CLR 2.0.50727; InfoPath.1),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: v33g2000cwv.googlegroups.com; posting-host=67.84.124.177; posting-account=FQhNKw0AAABpZoI-99pbw0OCE1cm_48O Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15646 On Feb 15, 12:22 pm, Frank da Cruz wrote: > On 2007-02-14, Gary Quiring wrote: > : On Feb 14, 10:47 am, Frank da Cruz wrote: > :> On 2007-02-14, Gary Quiring wrote: > :> : I am trying to compile kermit 8.0.211 with Solaris 9 (Sparc). My > :> : openssl ver is 0.9.8d > :> : > :> : Makeline: make solaris9g+openssl+shadow+pam+zlib > :> :... > :> : /usr/local/ssl/include/openssl/rsa.h:336: error: parse error before > :> : numeric constant > :> : > :> Like it says in the makefile in the comments on that makefile target: > :> > :> #Add -DOPENSSL_097 for OpenSSL 0.9.7 or later. > :> > :> So use: > :> > :> make solaris9g+openssl+shadow+pam+zlib KFLAGS=-DOPENSSL_097 > :> > :> If somebody knows a way to get the OpenSSL version number from the shell > :> command line, we could have the makefile figure this out automatically. > :> > :> - Frank > : > : I tried the above make line but I get the exact same error. > : > I have Solaris 9 here, with OpenSSL 0.9.8d, and "It Works For Me" (TM). > > To build C-Kermit with OpenSSL, you need to use one of the appropriate > makefile targets (which you did), plus: > > . If the OpenSSL version is 0.9.7 or greater (a point where the API > changed), you have to add -DOPENSSL_097 to CFLAGS (which can be > done as shown above); > > . If the OpenSSL header files are not in /usr/local/ssl/include, you > have to change or override the definitions of "prefix" or "sslroot" > or SSLINCL in the makefile. > > . If the OpenSSL libraries are not in /usr/local/ssl/lib, you > have to change or override the definitions of "prefix" or "sslroot" > or SSLLIB in the makefile. > > At Columbia, we have to do all these things, because around here (or maybe in > Solaris in general) "/usr/local" is "deprecated": Here is the procedure: > > export SSLINC=-I/opt/openssl-0.9.8d/include > export SSLLIB=-L/opt/openssl-0.9.8d/lib > export "KFLAGS=-DOPENSSL_097 -DCK_FORWARD_X -D_FILE_OFFSET_BITS=64" > make -e solaris9g+openssl+shadow+pam+zlib > > - Frank Still no luck. My SSL location is /usr/local/ssl. I set the following: export SSLINC="-l/usr/local/ssl/include" export SSLLIB="-L/usr/local/ssl/lib" export KFLAGS="-DOPENSSL_097 -DCK_FORWARD_X -D_FILE_OFFSET_BITS=64" Why is ck_ssl.h hardcoded for openssl directory? I made a link for openssl -> ssl in /usr/local but it still didn't work. Thanks Gary make -e solaris9g+openssl+shadow+pam+zlib make "MAKE=make" solaris2xg+openssl+zlib+pam+shadow \ KTARGET=${KTARGET:-solaris9g+openssl+shadow+pam+zlib} \ "KFLAGS=-DSOLARIS9 -DHDBUUCP -DDIRENT -DZLIB -DCK_PAM -DCK_SHADOW \ -DLIBDES -DOPENSSL_097 -DCK_FORWARD_X -D_FILE_OFFSET_BITS=64" "LIBS= - lpam -ldes 425 -lz " make[1]: Entering directory `/u/local/src/kermitssl' Making C-Kermit "8.0.211" for Solaris 2.x with gcc, OpenSSL... Please read the comments that accompany the solaris2xg target. make xermit KTARGET=${KTARGET:-solaris2xg+openssl+zlib+pam+shadow} CC=gcc CC2=gc c \ "CFLAGS = -g -O -Usun -DSVR4 -DSOLARIS -DSTERMIOX -DSELECT -DFNFLOAT \ -DCK_CURSES -DCK_NEWTERM -DDIRENT -DHDBUUCP -DTCPSOCKET \ -DCK_AUTHENTICATION -DCK_SSL -DCK_PAM -DCK_SHADOW -DZLIB \ -DBIGBUFOK -l/usr/local/ssl/include -DSOLARIS9 -DHDBUUCP -DDIRENT - DZLIB -DCK_PA M -DCK_SHADOW -DLIBDES -DOPENSSL_097 -DCK_FORWARD_X - D_FILE_OFFSET_BITS=64" \ "LIBS= -L/usr/local/ssl/lib -ltermlib \ -lsocket -lnsl -lm -lresolv -lssl -lcrypto -lpam -lz" make[2]: Entering directory `/u/local/src/kermitssl' gcc -g -O -Usun -DSVR4 -DSOLARIS -DSTERMIOX -DSELECT -DFNFLOAT - DCK_CURSES -DCK _NEWTERM -DDIRENT -DHDBUUCP -DTCPSOCKET -DCK_AUTHENTICATION -DCK_SSL - DCK_PAM - DCK_SHADOW -DZLIB -DBIGBUFOK -l/usr/local/ssl/include -DSOLARIS9 - DHDBUUCP -DD IRENT -DZLIB -DCK_PAM -DCK_SHADOW -DLIBDES -DOPENSSL_097 - DCK_FORWARD_X -D_FILE _OFFSET_BITS=64 -DKTARGET=\"solaris9g+openssl+shadow+pam+zlib\" -c ckcmai.c In file included from ckcmai.c:607: ck_ssl.h:35:26: openssl/comp.h: No such file or directory ck_ssl.h:42:25: openssl/des.h: No such file or directory ck_ssl.h:43:25: openssl/ssl.h: No such file or directory ck_ssl.h:44:28: openssl/x509v3.h: No such file or directory ck_ssl.h:45:26: openssl/rand.h: No such file or directory ck_ssl.h:46:30: openssl/x509_vfy.h: No such file or directory ck_ssl.h:47:25: openssl/err.h: No such file or directory ck_ssl.h:48:25: openssl/pem.h: No such file or directory ck_ssl.h:49:24: openssl/bn.h: No such file or directory ck_ssl.h:50:30: openssl/blowfish.h: No such file or directory ck_ssl.h:51:24: openssl/dh.h: No such file or directory ck_ssl.h:52:25: openssl/rc4.h: No such file or directory ck_ssl.h:53:26: openssl/cast.h: No such file or directory ck_ssl.h:54:25: openssl/dsa.h: No such file or directory ck_ssl.h:55:25: openssl/rsa.h: No such file or directory ck_ssl.h:56:25: openssl/md5.h: No such file or directory ck_ssl.h:57:25: openssl/sha.h: No such file or directory ck_ssl.h:58:25: openssl/evp.h: No such file or directory ck_ssl.h:59:26: openssl/hmac.h: No such file or directory In file included from ckcmai.c:607: ck_ssl.h:64: error: parse error before '*' token ck_ssl.h:64: warning: data definition has no type or storage class ck_ssl.h:65: error: parse error before '*' token ck_ssl.h:65: warning: data definition has no type or storage class ck_ssl.h:66: error: parse error before '*' token ck_ssl.h:66: warning: data definition has no type or storage class ck_ssl.h:90: error: parse error before '*' token ck_ssl.h:90: warning: data definition has no type or storage class ck_ssl.h:91: error: parse error before '*' token ck_ssl.h:91: warning: data definition has no type or storage class ck_ssl.h:95: error: parse error before '*' token ck_ssl.h:95: warning: data definition has no type or storage class ck_ssl.h:98: error: parse error before '*' token ck_ssl.h:98: warning: data definition has no type or storage class ck_ssl.h:99: error: parse error before '*' token ck_ssl.h:99: warning: data definition has no type or storage class ck_ssl.h:109: error: parse error before '*' token ck_ssl.h:110: error: parse error before "X509_STORE_CTX" ck_ssl.h:111: error: parse error before "X509_STORE_CTX" ck_ssl.h:116: error: parse error before '*' token ck_ssl.h:117: error: parse error before '*' token ck_ssl.h:118: error: parse error before '*' token ck_ssl.h:119: error: parse error before '*' token ck_ssl.h:120: error: parse error before '*' token ck_ssl.h:124: error: parse error before '*' token ck_ssl.h:125: error: parse error before '*' token ck_ssl.h:126: error: parse error before '*' token ck_ssl.h:127: error: parse error before "X509_STORE_CTX" ck_ssl.h:129: error: parse error before '*' token ck_ssl.h:130: error: parse error before '*' token make[2]: *** [ckcmai.o] Error 1 make[2]: Leaving directory `/u/local/src/kermitssl' make[1]: *** [solaris2xg+openssl+zlib+pam+shadow] Error 2 make[1]: Leaving directory `/u/local/src/kermitssl' make: *** [solaris9g+openssl+shadow+pam+zlib] Error 2 From fdc@panix.com Fri Feb 16 15:52:43 2007 Path: reader2.panix.com!panix!not-for-mail From: Frank da Cruz Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: SSL Solaris 9 compile errors Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 20:52:32 +0000 (UTC) Organization: PANIX Public Access Internet and UNIX, NYC Lines: 73 Message-ID: References: <1171461754.452734.293090@a75g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> <1171474573.115000.277200@v45g2000cwv.googlegroups.com> <1171585254.113397.40400@v33g2000cwv.googlegroups.com> Reply-To: fdc@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: panix1.panix.com X-Trace: reader2.panix.com 1171659152 3720 166.84.1.1 (16 Feb 2007 20:52:32 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@panix.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 20:52:32 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0 (NetBSD) Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15647 On 2007-02-16, Gary Quiring wrote: : On Feb 15, 12:22 pm, Frank da Cruz wrote: :> On 2007-02-14, Gary Quiring wrote: :> : On Feb 14, 10:47 am, Frank da Cruz wrote: :> :> On 2007-02-14, Gary Quiring wrote: :> :> : I am trying to compile kermit 8.0.211 with Solaris 9 (Sparc). My :> :> : openssl ver is 0.9.8d :> .... :> : :> I have Solaris 9 here, with OpenSSL 0.9.8d, and "It Works For Me" (TM). :> :> To build C-Kermit with OpenSSL, you need to use one of the appropriate :> makefile targets (which you did), plus: :> :> . If the OpenSSL version is 0.9.7 or greater (a point where the API :> changed), you have to add -DOPENSSL_097 to CFLAGS (which can be :> done as shown above); :> :> . If the OpenSSL header files are not in /usr/local/ssl/include, you :> have to change or override the definitions of "prefix" or "sslroot" :> or SSLINCL in the makefile. :> :> . If the OpenSSL libraries are not in /usr/local/ssl/lib, you :> have to change or override the definitions of "prefix" or "sslroot" :> or SSLLIB in the makefile. :> :> At Columbia, we have to do all these things, because around here (or maybe :> in Solaris in general) "/usr/local" is "deprecated": Here is the procedure: :> :> export SSLINC=-I/opt/openssl-0.9.8d/include :> export SSLLIB=-L/opt/openssl-0.9.8d/lib :> export "KFLAGS=-DOPENSSL_097 -DCK_FORWARD_X -D_FILE_OFFSET_BITS=64" :> make -e solaris9g+openssl+shadow+pam+zlib :> :> - Frank : : Still no luck. My SSL location is /usr/local/ssl. I set the : following: : : export SSLINC="-l/usr/local/ssl/include" : export SSLLIB="-L/usr/local/ssl/lib" : Well, this should be unnecessary because it's the default. : export KFLAGS="-DOPENSSL_097 -DCK_FORWARD_X -D_FILE_OFFSET_BITS=64" : : Why is ck_ssl.h hardcoded for openssl directory? I made a link for : openssl -> ssl in /usr/local but it still didn't work. : See below. Not to get off on a tangent, but after decades already of dealing with the headaches of dealing with hardwired Unix (or DOS, or Windows, for that matter) directory names that are constantly changing makes me ever more nostalgic for the the "logical name" concept that was so effective in TOPS-10, TOPS-20, and to this day in VMS. : gcc -g -O -Usun -DSVR4 -DSOLARIS -DSTERMIOX (etc etc...) : ckcmai.c : In file included from ckcmai.c:607: : ck_ssl.h:35:26: openssl/comp.h: No such file or directory : ck_ssl.h:42:25: openssl/des.h: No such file or directory : ck_ssl.h:43:25: openssl/ssl.h: No such file or directory : (etc etc) : Let's see. You've told the compiler to look for include files in /usr/local/ssl/include. That directory should contain an openssl directory, which, in turn, contains all the .h files. If so, the build should work for you if you just do it like this (since your ssl tree is already in the default location): make KFLAGS=-DOPENSSL_097 solaris9g+openssl+shadow+pam+zlib - Frank From gquiring@gmail.com Wed Feb 21 12:49:37 2007 Path: reader2.panix.com!panix!news.maxwell.syr.edu!postnews.google.com!j27g2000cwj.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: "Gary Quiring" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: SSL Solaris 9 compile errors Date: 21 Feb 2007 06:08:48 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 120 Message-ID: <1172066927.099583.146980@j27g2000cwj.googlegroups.com> References: <1171461754.452734.293090@a75g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> <1171474573.115000.277200@v45g2000cwv.googlegroups.com> <1171585254.113397.40400@v33g2000cwv.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.207.116.34 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Trace: posting.google.com 1172066942 22682 127.0.0.1 (21 Feb 2007 14:09:02 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 14:09:02 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; Avant Browser; Avant Browser; .NET CLR 1.1.4322; .NET CLR 2.0.50727; InfoPath.1),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: j27g2000cwj.googlegroups.com; posting-host=65.207.116.34; posting-account=FQhNKw0AAABpZoI-99pbw0OCE1cm_48O Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15648 On Feb 16, 3:52 pm, Frank da Cruz wrote: > On 2007-02-16, Gary Quiring wrote: > : On Feb 15, 12:22 pm, Frank da Cruz wrote: > :> On 2007-02-14, Gary Quiring wrote: > :> : On Feb 14, 10:47 am, Frank da Cruz wrote: > :> :> On 2007-02-14, Gary Quiring wrote: > :> :> : I am trying to compile kermit 8.0.211 with Solaris 9 (Sparc). My > :> :> : openssl ver is 0.9.8d > :> .... > :> : > :> I have Solaris 9 here, with OpenSSL 0.9.8d, and "It Works For Me" (TM). > :> > :> To build C-Kermit with OpenSSL, you need to use one of the appropriate > :> makefile targets (which you did), plus: > :> > :> . If the OpenSSL version is 0.9.7 or greater (a point where the API > :> changed), you have to add -DOPENSSL_097 to CFLAGS (which can be > :> done as shown above); > :> > :> . If the OpenSSL header files are not in /usr/local/ssl/include, you > :> have to change or override the definitions of "prefix" or "sslroot" > :> or SSLINCL in the makefile. > :> > :> . If the OpenSSL libraries are not in /usr/local/ssl/lib, you > :> have to change or override the definitions of "prefix" or "sslroot" > :> or SSLLIB in the makefile. > :> > :> At Columbia, we have to do all these things, because around here (or maybe > :> in Solaris in general) "/usr/local" is "deprecated": Here is the procedure: > :> > :> export SSLINC=-I/opt/openssl-0.9.8d/include > :> export SSLLIB=-L/opt/openssl-0.9.8d/lib > :> export "KFLAGS=-DOPENSSL_097 -DCK_FORWARD_X -D_FILE_OFFSET_BITS=64" > :> make -e solaris9g+openssl+shadow+pam+zlib > :> > :> - Frank > : > : Still no luck. My SSL location is /usr/local/ssl. I set the > : following: > : > : export SSLINC="-l/usr/local/ssl/include" > : export SSLLIB="-L/usr/local/ssl/lib" > : > Well, this should be unnecessary because it's the default. > > : export KFLAGS="-DOPENSSL_097 -DCK_FORWARD_X -D_FILE_OFFSET_BITS=64" > : > : Why is ck_ssl.h hardcoded for openssl directory? I made a link for > : openssl -> ssl in /usr/local but it still didn't work. > : > See below. Not to get off on a tangent, but after decades already of dealing > with the headaches of dealing with hardwired Unix (or DOS, or Windows, for > that matter) directory names that are constantly changing makes me ever more > nostalgic for the the "logical name" concept that was so effective in TOPS-10, > TOPS-20, and to this day in VMS. > > : gcc -g -O -Usun -DSVR4 -DSOLARIS -DSTERMIOX (etc etc...) > : ckcmai.c > : In file included from ckcmai.c:607: > : ck_ssl.h:35:26: openssl/comp.h: No such file or directory > : ck_ssl.h:42:25: openssl/des.h: No such file or directory > : ck_ssl.h:43:25: openssl/ssl.h: No such file or directory > : (etc etc) > : > > Let's see. You've told the compiler to look for include files in > /usr/local/ssl/include. That directory should contain an openssl directory, > which, in turn, contains all the .h files. If so, the build should work for > you if you just do it like this (since your ssl tree is already in the > default location): > > make KFLAGS=-DOPENSSL_097 solaris9g+openssl+shadow+pam+zlib > > - Frank Same error: make KFLAGS=-DOPENSSL_097 solaris9g+openssl+shadow+pam+zlib make "MAKE=make" solaris2xg+openssl+zlib+pam+shadow \ KTARGET=${KTARGET:-solaris9g+openssl+shadow+pam+zlib} \ "KFLAGS=-DSOLARIS9 -DHDBUUCP -DDIRENT -DZLIB -DCK_PAM -DCK_SHADOW \ -DLIBDES -DOPENSSL_097" "LIBS= -lpam -ldes425 -lz " make[1]: Entering directory `/u/local/src/kerm' Making C-Kermit "8.0.211" for Solaris 2.x with gcc, OpenSSL... Please read the comments that accompany the solaris2xg target. make xermit KTARGET=${KTARGET:-solaris2xg+openssl+zlib+pam+shadow} CC=gcc CC2=gc c \ "CFLAGS = -g -O -Usun -DSVR4 -DSOLARIS -DSTERMIOX -DSELECT -DFNFLOAT \ -DCK_CURSES -DCK_NEWTERM -DDIRENT -DHDBUUCP -DTCPSOCKET \ -DCK_AUTHENTICATION -DCK_SSL -DCK_PAM -DCK_SHADOW -DZLIB \ -DBIGBUFOK -I/usr/local/ssl/include -DSOLARIS9 -DHDBUUCP -DDIRENT - DZLIB -DCK_PA M -DCK_SHADOW -DLIBDES -DOPENSSL_097" \ "LIBS= -L/usr/local/ssl/lib -ltermlib \ -lsocket -lnsl -lm -lresolv -lssl -lcrypto -lpam -lz" make[2]: Entering directory `/u/local/src/kerm' gcc -g -O -Usun -DSVR4 -DSOLARIS -DSTERMIOX -DSELECT -DFNFLOAT - DCK_CURSES -DCK _NEWTERM -DDIRENT -DHDBUUCP -DTCPSOCKET -DCK_AUTHENTICATION -DCK_SSL - DCK_PAM - DCK_SHADOW -DZLIB -DBIGBUFOK -I/usr/local/ssl/include -DSOLARIS9 - DHDBUUCP -DD IRENT -DZLIB -DCK_PAM -DCK_SHADOW -DLIBDES -DOPENSSL_097 -DKTARGET= \"solaris9g+ openssl+shadow+pam+zlib\" -c ckcmai.c In file included from /usr/local/ssl/include/openssl/x509.h:96, from /usr/local/ssl/include/openssl/ssl.h:183, from ck_ssl.h:43, from ckcmai.c:607: /usr/local/ssl/include/openssl/rsa.h:335: error: parse error before numeric constant /usr/local/ssl/include/openssl/rsa.h:336: error: parse error before numeric constant make[2]: *** [ckcmai.o] Error 1 make[2]: Leaving directory `/u/local/src/kerm' make[1]: *** [solaris2xg+openssl+zlib+pam+shadow] Error 2 make[1]: Leaving directory `/u/local/src/kerm' make: *** [solaris9g+openssl+shadow+pam+zlib] Error 2 From fdc@panix.com Wed Feb 21 12:55:03 2007 Path: reader2.panix.com!panix!not-for-mail From: Frank Da Cruz Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: SSL Solaris 9 compile errors Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 17:54:55 +0000 (UTC) Organization: PANIX Public Access Internet and UNIX, NYC Lines: 51 Message-ID: References: <1171461754.452734.293090@a75g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> <1171474573.115000.277200@v45g2000cwv.googlegroups.com> <1171585254.113397.40400@v33g2000cwv.googlegroups.com> <1172066927.099583.146980@j27g2000cwj.googlegroups.com> Reply-To: fdc@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: panix1.panix.com X-Trace: reader2.panix.com 1172080495 3400 166.84.1.1 (21 Feb 2007 17:54:55 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@panix.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 17:54:55 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0 (NetBSD) Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15649 : Same error: : There are two things to consider: 1. Where are the SSL header files and libs? 2. What version of SSL is it? The Kermit makefile has defaults which, like all defaults, don't work for everybody. It gives you a means to override the defaults. But I can't see your Solaris system, I don't know what is what, or where. You have to: 1. Indicate to the makefile where to find the SSL header files and libs. 2. Include the -DOPENSSL_097 defintion if these header files and libs are OpenSSL 0.9.7 or later. Here is the relevant section of the makefile: # You can build these targets if you have the Kermit source files and the # required libraries (Kerberos, OpenSSL, SRP, etc) and header files. See: # http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/security.html # for specific details regarding supported versions. # # NOTE: OpenSSL 0.9.6 and earlier are not compatible with 0.9.7 and later. # C-Kermit code is designed for 0.9.6. To build with 0.9.7 you must add # -DOPENSSL_097 to avoid missing symbols in the DES library and to use the # entry points that were renamed to avoid conflict with Kerberos 4. # # In OpenSSL builds add -ldl if you get unresolved references for # dlopen, dlclose, dlsym, and/or dlerror. # # The following symbols are used to specify library and header file locations # Redefine them to the values used on your system by: # . editing this file # . defining the values on the command line # . defining the values in the environment and use the -e option # prefix = /usr/local srproot = $(prefix) sslroot = $(prefix) manroot = $(prefix) K4LIB=-L/usr/kerberos/lib K4INC=-I/usr/kerberos/include K5LIB=-L/usr/kerberos/lib K5INC=-I/usr/kerberos/include SRPLIB=-L$(srproot)/lib SRPINC=-I$(srproot)/include SSLLIB=-L$(sslroot)/ssl/lib SSLINC=-I$(sslroot)/ssl/include - Frank From fdc@panix.com Thu Feb 22 13:25:20 2007 Path: reader2.panix.com!panix!not-for-mail From: Frank Da Cruz Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: SSL Solaris 9 compile errors Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 18:25:12 +0000 (UTC) Organization: PANIX Public Access Internet and UNIX, NYC Lines: 51 Message-ID: References: <1171461754.452734.293090@a75g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> <1171474573.115000.277200@v45g2000cwv.googlegroups.com> <1171585254.113397.40400@v33g2000cwv.googlegroups.com> <1172066927.099583.146980@j27g2000cwj.googlegroups.com> <1172090871.101683.127130@l53g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Reply-To: fdc@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: panix3.panix.com X-Trace: reader2.panix.com 1172168712 18687 166.84.1.3 (22 Feb 2007 18:25:12 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@panix.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 18:25:12 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0 (NetBSD) Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15651 On 2007-02-21, Gary Quiring wrote: : I am 100% confused. Are you saying it can't find my SSL include and : header files? Because the errors says it can't parse the contents of : the file which means it is finding the stuff right? : It is finding SOME ssl header files and getting parse errors. The only reasons I know of that this would happen are: 1. The files are from OpenSSL 0.9.7 or later but you have not included -DOPENSSL_097 in the compiler flags; or: 2. The files are from OpenSSL 0.9.6 or earlier but you have included the -DOPENSSL_097 flag. : My SSL (0.9.8d) directory structure (/usr/local/ssl): : : bin : certs : include/openssl : lib : man : misc : private : So the question is, which SSL files is the makefile finding? If indeed these files are where you say they are, and indeed they are the SSL version you say they are, and indeed you have included the -DOPENSSL_097 flag in the compilation, and indeed you have not pointed the makefile at some other SSL directory tree, it should work (but there will be a few unavoidable but harmless warnings in the security modules). It should work because /usr/local/ is the makefile variable "sslroot" is defined by default as "/usr/local", which it uses unless you redefine sslroot, SSLINC, or SSLLIB. If it doesn't work, then something is not as you described it. We know that the makefile is finding *some* SSL header files, but cpp is having a problem with them. What do you see when you do this: ce /usr/local/ssl/include/openssl grep OPENSSL_VERSION_TEXT opensslv.h What happens if you omit the -DOPENSSL_097 flag, but leave everything else the same? Anyway, it will take some trial and error. You have to make the compiler flags (presence or absence of -DOPENSSL_097) agree with the OpenSSL version of the header files that are actually being read by cpp. - Frank From stephen.bozarth@gmail.com Sat Feb 24 14:29:46 2007 Path: reader2.panix.com!panix!newsfeed-00.mathworks.com!newsfeed2.dallas1.level3.net!news.level3.com!postnews.google.com!p10g2000cwp.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: "nospam" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Interfacing with Excel documents Date: 23 Feb 2007 11:52:22 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 7 Message-ID: <1172260342.329448.253400@p10g2000cwp.googlegroups.com> References: <5hrda4-qrf.ln1@CPE-138-217-213-250.sa.bigpond.net.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.199.148.221 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Trace: posting.google.com 1172260348 20473 127.0.0.1 (23 Feb 2007 19:52:28 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 19:52:28 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: <5hrda4-qrf.ln1@CPE-138-217-213-250.sa.bigpond.net.au> User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.8.1.1) Gecko/20061204 Firefox/2.0.0.1,gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: p10g2000cwp.googlegroups.com; posting-host=24.199.148.221; posting-account=F3-DyQ0AAABnQuQZBKWD2mPtfPghcbc8 Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15652 As Kermit is not COM aware, you can not control Excel via Kermit. I have used Autoit (www.autoitscript.com) to interface with Excel via COM, in order to compile an app that takes a .xls file as its input, and generates a .csv or .tab file as the output. From robatworkDeleteTheseFourWords@mail.com Mon Feb 26 14:47:57 2007 Path: reader2.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.media.kyoto-u.ac.jp!postnews.google.com!news3.google.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!local01.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.pipex.net!news.pipex.net.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 06:47:19 -0600 From: Rob S Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Interfacing with Excel documents Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 12:53:11 +0000 Message-ID: <45e2d812.10068562@giganews.nildram.co.uk> References: <5hrda4-qrf.ln1@CPE-138-217-213-250.sa.bigpond.net.au> <1172260342.329448.253400@p10g2000cwp.googlegroups.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 2.0/32.652 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 14 NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.3.253.72 X-Trace: sv3-wqwU+qbm79nMHh5O39NinlAnWiVyR+SXNyrQZ9SeRE3RVklijlG7476OZ1HEC1gjoaP6YA5/V0gufVz!gahtEHaSC2mHvL7BrJA+tJ2FZPI6l61eD+qKIUTnHAHlGIplLE1QBYDOZ+TwRG/0yxNQQf/uerCU!6W+l3ISUc5yAusPB X-Complaints-To: abuse@dsl.pipex.net X-DMCA-Complaints-To: abuse@dsl.pipex.net X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.32 Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15653 On 23 Feb 2007 11:52:22 -0800, "nospam" wrote: -As Kermit is not COM aware, you can not control Excel via Kermit. - -I have used Autoit (www.autoitscript.com) to interface with Excel via -COM, in order to compile an app -that takes a .xls file as its input, and generates a .csv or .tab file -as the output. Useful website - thanks! -Rob robatwork at mail dot com From gquiring@gmail.com Mon Feb 26 14:49:03 2007 Path: reader2.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.media.kyoto-u.ac.jp!postnews.google.com!z35g2000cwz.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: "Gary Quiring" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: SSL Solaris 9 compile errors Date: 26 Feb 2007 07:25:54 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 76 Message-ID: <1172503554.928519.186200@z35g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> References: <1171461754.452734.293090@a75g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> <1171474573.115000.277200@v45g2000cwv.googlegroups.com> <1171585254.113397.40400@v33g2000cwv.googlegroups.com> <1172066927.099583.146980@j27g2000cwj.googlegroups.com> <1172090871.101683.127130@l53g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.207.116.34 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Trace: posting.google.com 1172503571 5146 127.0.0.1 (26 Feb 2007 15:26:11 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 15:26:11 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; Avant Browser; Avant Browser; .NET CLR 1.1.4322; .NET CLR 2.0.50727; InfoPath.1),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: z35g2000cwz.googlegroups.com; posting-host=65.207.116.34; posting-account=FQhNKw0AAABpZoI-99pbw0OCE1cm_48O Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15654 > cd /usr/local/ssl/include/openssl > grep OPENSSL_VERSION_TEXT opensslv.h > #define OPENSSL_VERSION_TEXT "OpenSSL 0.9.8d-fips 28 Sep 2006" #define OPENSSL_VERSION_TEXT "OpenSSL 0.9.8d 28 Sep 2006" #define OPENSSL_VERSION_PTEXT " part of " OPENSSL_VERSION_TEXT > What happens if you omit the -DOPENSSL_097 flag, but leave everything else the > same? With KFLAGS or without KFLAGS I get the exact same error: In file included from /usr/local/ssl/include/openssl/x509.h:96, from /usr/local/ssl/include/openssl/ssl.h:183, from ck_ssl.h:43, from ckcmai.c:607: /usr/local/ssl/include/openssl/rsa.h:335: error: parse error before numeric constant /usr/local/ssl/include/openssl/rsa.h:336: error: parse error before numeric constant Frank there has to be some compat issue with Kermit, I got this answer from someone on the Solaris forum who also had issues: i've done this with kermit 2.0.11 and openssl 0.9.7l. i don't know if openssl 0.9.8 is supported with kermit 2.0.11. seems like i found something on the kermit web site that indicated it was not. i used the Sun C compiler to do all of the builds. after building openssl and installing in /usr/local/openssl, here's what i did to get SSL support in kermit: In the kermit makefile, uncomment the LNKFLAGS= line. In the kermit makefile, change the make target named solaris2xg32+openssl+zlib+pam+shadow as shown solaris2xg32+openssl+zlib+pam+shadow: @echo 'Making C-Kermit $(CKVER) for Solaris 2.x with SUNWspro cc, OpenSSL...' @echo 'Please read the comments that accompany the solaris2xg target.' $(MAKE) xermit KTARGET=$${KTARGET:-$(@)} \ "CFLAGS = -g -O -Usun -DOPENSSL_097 -DSVR4 -DSOLARIS9 - DSTERMIOX -DSELECT -DFNFLOAT \ -DCK_CURSES -DCK_NEWTERM -DDIRENT -DHDBUUCP -DTCPSOCKET \ -DCK_AUTHENTICATION -DCK_SSL -DCK_PAM -DCK_SHADOW -DZLIB \ -DBIGBUFOK -I/usr/local/openssl/include" \ "LIBS= -L/usr/local/openssl/lib -ltermlib \ -lsocket -lnsl -lm -lresolv -lssl -lcrypto -lpam -lz" Edit the file ck_ssl.h and add the line: #undef EM in the following location (the newly added line should be line number 42 in the file): #define OPENSSL_NO_MDC2 #undef EM #include #include What does that EM line do? From gquiring@gmail.com Mon Feb 26 14:49:19 2007 Path: reader2.panix.com!panix!news.linkpendium.com!news.linkpendium.com!news.glorb.com!postnews.google.com!a75g2000cwd.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: "Gary Quiring" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: SSL Solaris 9 compile errors Date: 26 Feb 2007 10:35:35 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 6 Message-ID: <1172514930.916740.42000@a75g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> References: <1171461754.452734.293090@a75g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> <1171474573.115000.277200@v45g2000cwv.googlegroups.com> <1171585254.113397.40400@v33g2000cwv.googlegroups.com> <1172066927.099583.146980@j27g2000cwj.googlegroups.com> <1172090871.101683.127130@l53g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1172503554.928519.186200@z35g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.207.116.34 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Trace: posting.google.com 1172514953 23436 127.0.0.1 (26 Feb 2007 18:35:53 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 18:35:53 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: <1172503554.928519.186200@z35g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; Avant Browser; Avant Browser; .NET CLR 1.1.4322; .NET CLR 2.0.50727; InfoPath.1),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: a75g2000cwd.googlegroups.com; posting-host=65.207.116.34; posting-account=FQhNKw0AAABpZoI-99pbw0OCE1cm_48O Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15655 By including the 'undef EM' line in ck_ssl.h kermit compiles clean once I changed openssl to use shared vs static libs. With shared libs Kermit still does not compile unless I use the 'undef EM' line. So the million dollar question, what does that 'undef EM' do? From fdc@panix.com Mon Feb 26 15:07:51 2007 Path: reader2.panix.com!panix!not-for-mail From: Frank da Cruz Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.unix.solaris Subject: Re: SSL Solaris 9 compile errors Followup-To: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 20:07:37 +0000 (UTC) Organization: PANIX Public Access Internet and UNIX, NYC Lines: 27 Message-ID: References: <1171461754.452734.293090@a75g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> <1171474573.115000.277200@v45g2000cwv.googlegroups.com> <1171585254.113397.40400@v33g2000cwv.googlegroups.com> <1172066927.099583.146980@j27g2000cwj.googlegroups.com> <1172090871.101683.127130@l53g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1172503554.928519.186200@z35g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> <1172514930.916740.42000@a75g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> Reply-To: fdc@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: panix3.panix.com X-Trace: reader2.panix.com 1172520457 28671 166.84.1.3 (26 Feb 2007 20:07:37 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@panix.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 20:07:37 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0 (NetBSD) Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15656 comp.unix.solaris:550175 On 2007-02-26, Gary Quiring wrote: : By including the 'undef EM' line in ck_ssl.h kermit compiles clean : once I changed openssl to use shared vs static libs. With shared libs : Kermit still does not compile unless I use the 'undef EM' line. So : the million dollar question, what does that 'undef EM' do? : Honestly, I have no idea. Again, I have Solaris 9 and OpenSSL 0.9.8d here too, just like you, and I'm building it with Sun CC (not gcc), just like you, and C-Kermit/SSL builds with no problem. There is no #define EM anywhere in the C-Kermit source code, so the #undef must be to undo some conflict between OpenSSL and Solaris headers. But in that case, why do you see the problem and I don't -- nor, as far as I know, anybody else? I notice that the suggested location for the #undef is right after this: #ifdef ZLIB #include #endif /* ZLIB */ Maybe comp.h, or something it includes (such as crypto.h), or something crypto.h includes, or something that one of those includes, and on and on, is the culprit. You can build Kermit with SSL but without compression. Just omit the -DZLIB switch. See if that makes a difference. - Frank From nihen@nexit.com Tue Feb 27 17:07:26 2007 Path: reader2.panix.com!panix!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.glorb.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!local01.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.telenor.com!news.telenor.com.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 11:32:11 -0600 From: "Hans Erik" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit hex trace Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 18:34:23 +0100 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Original Message-ID: Lines: 10 NNTP-Posting-Host: 88.90.178.65 X-Trace: sv3-1Y0VLznARvH2ShHPkQwVBmfh0/N4bfh0+L8ILx62ZTMUymr32w6bXx/5Of2cHSKPVrdytuFtpmMQGO1!jVavlqavI4Rg0doeCrwZ3AZXti4noSrntRJrRwZRncpMT+ggYkoGLI+Rd9+60EzSMMuIRxPPqw== X-Complaints-To: news-abuse@telenor.net X-DMCA-Complaints-To: news-abuse@telenor.net X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.34 Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15657 I have been asked to add support for Kermit file transfer. I have found some documentation and a protocol description, but it would help me a lot with a hex trace of a simple file transfer with Kermit. Send a file and close the Kermit session. Thank's for any help. Hans Erik From jaltman@gmail.com Tue Feb 27 17:07:39 2007 Path: reader2.panix.com!panix!newsfeed-00.mathworks.com!newsfeed2.dallas1.level3.net!news.level3.com!postnews.google.com!z35g2000cwz.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: "Jeffrey Altman" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit hex trace Date: 27 Feb 2007 10:20:28 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 23 Message-ID: <1172600426.919128.175150@z35g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.193.47.99 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Trace: posting.google.com 1172600449 2174 127.0.0.1 (27 Feb 2007 18:20:49 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 18:20:49 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.8.1.2) Gecko/20070219 Firefox/2.0.0.2,gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: z35g2000cwz.googlegroups.com; posting-host=24.193.47.99; posting-account=LV7V_g0AAADBkNIzAvM0bQdo1kJ4AF4M Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15658 On Feb 27, 12:34 pm, "Hans Erik" wrote: > I have been asked to add support for Kermit file transfer. > I have found some documentation and a protocol description, > but it would help me a lot with a hex trace of a simple file transfer > with Kermit. Send a file and close the Kermit session. > > Thank's for any help. > > Hans Erik What would help you would be to find a copy of the out of print book "Kermit: A File Transfer Protocol" by Frank da Cruz. # ISBN-10: 0932376886 # ISBN-13: 978-0932376886 Looking at hex traces will only result in you getting the protocol wrong just as so many others have done. Jeffrey Altman From nihen@nexit.com Tue Feb 27 17:08:01 2007 Path: reader2.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.media.kyoto-u.ac.jp!postnews.google.com!news3.google.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!local01.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.telenor.com!news.telenor.com.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 12:46:04 -0600 From: "Hans Erik" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc References: <1172600426.919128.175150@z35g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Kermit hex trace Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 19:48:14 +0100 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Original Message-ID: Lines: 34 NNTP-Posting-Host: 88.90.178.65 X-Trace: sv3-uCjjEk3kN+o49oULlNNt8aAkrNkSQYpi5FDjB4BahRWNUB4rI4cy2UYwpUJ0ageRJVDVzh8aNDSwiC5!FdcOQFhO7gR8T3nNXaCfN5vWuhUIUu+JbX9n05ygd1YSgIkgl8Vsx750Xbtfmk7f3ghMBqyZMA== X-Complaints-To: news-abuse@telenor.net X-DMCA-Complaints-To: news-abuse@telenor.net X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.34 Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15659 I found the book at Amazon, and it will be ordered. But the shipping takes from UK to Norway takes more or less a week. So a simple hex trace would give me something to start with. Thanks, Hans Erik "Jeffrey Altman" skrev i melding news:1172600426.919128.175150@z35g2000cwz.googlegroups.com... > On Feb 27, 12:34 pm, "Hans Erik" wrote: >> I have been asked to add support for Kermit file transfer. >> I have found some documentation and a protocol description, >> but it would help me a lot with a hex trace of a simple file transfer >> with Kermit. Send a file and close the Kermit session. >> >> Thank's for any help. >> >> Hans Erik > > What would help you would be to find a copy of the out of print book > "Kermit: A File Transfer Protocol" by Frank da Cruz. > > # ISBN-10: 0932376886 > # ISBN-13: 978-0932376886 > > Looking at hex traces will only result in you getting the protocol > wrong just as so many others have done. > > Jeffrey Altman > > > From fdc@panix.com Tue Feb 27 17:12:03 2007 Path: reader2.panix.com!panix!not-for-mail From: Frank da Cruz Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit hex trace Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 22:11:26 +0000 (UTC) Organization: PANIX Public Access Internet and UNIX, NYC Lines: 23 Message-ID: References: <1172600426.919128.175150@z35g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> Reply-To: fdc@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: panix1.panix.com X-Trace: reader2.panix.com 1172614286 29288 166.84.1.1 (27 Feb 2007 22:11:26 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@panix.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 22:11:26 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0 (NetBSD) Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15660 On 2007-02-27, Hans Erik wrote: : I found the book at Amazon, and it will be ordered. But the shipping takes : from UK to Norway takes more or less a week. So a simple hex trace would : give me something to start with. : What is the point of writing a Kermit protocol implementation from scratch? Why not license an existing one, such as C-Kermit (for embedding): http://kermit.columbia.edu/ek.html or C-Kermit (for Unix): http://kermit.columbia.edu/ckermit.html or Kermit 95 (for Windows): http://kermit.columbia.edu/k95.html By doing that, you help to support the nonprofit Kermit Project and you get a better implementation than you would have coded from scratch, and one that is proven in the field. - Frank From ramon@conexus.net Mon Mar 5 17:43:07 2007 Path: reader2.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.media.kyoto-u.ac.jp!nx01.iad01.newshosting.com!newshosting.com!198.186.194.247.MISMATCH!news-out.readnews.com!news-xxxfer.readnews.com!postnews.google.com!p10g2000cwp.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: "Ramon F Herrera" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit insists on treating PDF files as text Date: 5 Mar 2007 10:05:08 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 12 Message-ID: <1173117905.196167.64710@p10g2000cwp.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.173.239.222 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Trace: posting.google.com 1173117927 22933 127.0.0.1 (5 Mar 2007 18:05:27 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 18:05:27 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.8.1.2) Gecko/20070219 Firefox/2.0.0.2,gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: p10g2000cwp.googlegroups.com; posting-host=24.173.239.222; posting-account=rkyc4gwAAACvcVtKxGMERXfL3J2QlrNy Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15661 Desktop side: Kermit 95 version 2.1.3 on WinXP Server side: C-Kermit 8.0.209 on Linux Using SSH sessions I type "bin" on both sides, but Kermit stubbornly transfers the PDF file as text. The transfer from Linux to Windows is fine, the uploads are the ones getting messed up. -Ramon From fdc@panix.com Mon Mar 5 17:43:15 2007 Path: reader2.panix.com!panix!not-for-mail From: Frank da Cruz Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit insists on treating PDF files as text Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 22:43:05 +0000 (UTC) Organization: PANIX Public Access Internet and UNIX, NYC Lines: 32 Message-ID: References: <1173117905.196167.64710@p10g2000cwp.googlegroups.com> Reply-To: fdc@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: panix3.panix.com X-Trace: reader2.panix.com 1173134585 29653 166.84.1.3 (5 Mar 2007 22:43:05 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@panix.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 22:43:05 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0 (NetBSD) Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15662 On 2007-03-05, Ramon F Herrera wrote: : Desktop side: Kermit 95 version 2.1.3 on WinXP : Server side: C-Kermit 8.0.209 on Linux : Using SSH sessions : : I type "bin" on both sides, but Kermit stubbornly transfers the PDF : file as text. : : The transfer from Linux to Windows is fine, the uploads are the ones : getting messed up. : See: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckermit70.html#x4 As you can see, by default Kermit scans each file to see whether it is text or binary, and within this default, the default is to scan the first 48K. Very infrequently -- but mainly with PDF or certain PostScript files -- it can turn out that the first 48K are, indeed, text, and the "binary" part happens later, and the default file scan comes up with a false positive for text. The cited material shows the many available workarounds. The simplest one, if you want to control the transfer mode yourself is, is: SET TRANSFER MODE MANUAL and then use SEND /BINARY and SEND /TEXT. Other options include using filenamename associations instead of scanning the file's content, and increasing the length of the scan. - Frank From mortier@locean-ipsl.upmc.fr Sat Mar 31 14:27:15 2007 Path: reader2.panix.com!panix!news.linkpendium.com!news.linkpendium.com!news.glorb.com!postnews.google.com!n76g2000hsh.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: "mortier" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: INPUT MINPUT case sensitive Date: 25 Mar 2007 09:49:23 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 7 Message-ID: <1174841363.610519.267370@n76g2000hsh.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 81.57.18.151 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Trace: posting.google.com 1174841365 14395 127.0.0.1 (25 Mar 2007 16:49:25 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2007 16:49:25 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; fr; rv:1.8.0.9) Gecko/20061206 Firefox/1.5.0.9,gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: n76g2000hsh.googlegroups.com; posting-host=81.57.18.151; posting-account=jw5YvA0AAAA0Aej0_tk88B_XbXa4B4dO Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15663 Hello all, I've been unable to find in the site how to write a INPUT or MINPUT waiting for a given CASE SENSITVE pattern. Thanks for help, Laurent From slash_dev_slash_null_2000@yahoo.com Sat Mar 31 14:27:55 2007 Path: reader2.panix.com!panix!newshub.stanford.edu!postnews.google.com!e65g2000hsc.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: "Mark Sapiro" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: INPUT MINPUT case sensitive Date: 31 Mar 2007 07:53:51 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 14 Message-ID: <1175352831.192164.62050@e65g2000hsc.googlegroups.com> References: <1174841363.610519.267370@n76g2000hsh.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.183.193.239 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Trace: posting.google.com 1175352832 27260 127.0.0.1 (31 Mar 2007 14:53:52 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2007 14:53:52 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: <1174841363.610519.267370@n76g2000hsh.googlegroups.com> User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.5) Gecko/20060912 Netscape/8.1.2,gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: e65g2000hsc.googlegroups.com; posting-host=68.183.193.239; posting-account=iQNWIg0AAAAD2fStXNC9nwGlPdSqjWrI Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15665 On Mar 25, 9:49 am, "mortier" wrote: > > I've been unable to find in the site how to write a INPUT or MINPUT > waiting for a given CASE SENSITVE pattern. SET CASE ON -- (for email use this address please - you can figure it out) Mark Sapiro msapiro at value net Any clod can have the facts; San Francisco Bay Area, California having opinions is an art. - C. McCabe, The Fearless Spectator From gregg.drwho8@gmail.com Sat Mar 31 14:33:30 2007 Path: reader2.panix.com!panix!newsfeed-00.mathworks.com!newscon02.news.prodigy.net!prodigy.net!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!postnews.google.com!n59g2000hsh.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: "gregg dot drwho8 atsign gmail dot com" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit source code and Cygwin Date: 28 Mar 2007 09:44:52 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 15 Message-ID: <1175100292.947647.295310@n59g2000hsh.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 67.101.255.42 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Trace: posting.google.com 1175100294 5572 127.0.0.1 (28 Mar 2007 16:44:54 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 16:44:54 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.8.1.3) Gecko/20070309 Firefox/2.0.0.3,gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: n59g2000hsh.googlegroups.com; posting-host=67.101.255.42; posting-account=A-gptw0AAADv7YCPjdls45d6a3WNvOGZ Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15664 Hello! I've decided to see if both the current version of C-Kermit, and the one for G-Kermit can be built using the latest CYGWIN stuff. So I was able to download the current version of C-Kermit via the website. Next will be building it, more on that later. However the one for G-Kermit appears to be wearing the 660 attribute which normally means its not world readable. And indeed on the ftp service I could see it but not download it. Question! Why is that? --- Gregg gregg dot drwho8 atsign gmail dot com From slash_dev_slash_null_2000@yahoo.com Sat Mar 31 14:34:40 2007 Path: reader2.panix.com!panix!newsfeed-00.mathworks.com!newsfeed2.dallas1.level3.net!news.level3.com!postnews.google.com!y66g2000hsf.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: "Mark Sapiro" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit source code and Cygwin Date: 31 Mar 2007 08:32:58 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 29 Message-ID: <1175355178.826592.216560@y66g2000hsf.googlegroups.com> References: <1175100292.947647.295310@n59g2000hsh.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.183.193.239 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Trace: posting.google.com 1175355180 9896 127.0.0.1 (31 Mar 2007 15:33:00 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2007 15:33:00 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: <1175100292.947647.295310@n59g2000hsh.googlegroups.com> User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.5) Gecko/20060912 Netscape/8.1.2,gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: y66g2000hsf.googlegroups.com; posting-host=68.183.193.239; posting-account=iQNWIg0AAAAD2fStXNC9nwGlPdSqjWrI Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15666 On Mar 28, 9:44 am, "gregg dot drwho8 atsign gmail dot com" wrote: > > However the one for G-Kermit appears to be wearing the 660 attribute > which normally means its not world readable. And indeed on the ftp > service I could see it but not download it. Which one is that? I just connected to ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives (using a Kermit client of course) and listed the directory. There are a few files that aren't world readable, but all the gku100.tar* files are 664. I see two gkermit.tar.gz* in the ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/g directory that are 660, but they aren't part of the 'individual source files'. See ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/g/.readme . In short, It looks to me that all the files linked from with the sole exception of the gku100.ia64-hpux-11.23 binary are world readable. -- (for email use this address please - you can figure it out) Mark Sapiro msapiro at value net Any clod can have the facts; San Francisco Bay Area, California having opinions is an art. - C. McCabe, The Fearless Spectator From fdc@panix.com Sat Mar 31 14:37:18 2007 Path: reader2.panix.com!panix!not-for-mail From: Frank Da Cruz Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit source code and Cygwin Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2007 18:36:56 +0000 (UTC) Organization: PANIX Public Access Internet and UNIX, NYC Lines: 24 Message-ID: References: <1175100292.947647.295310@n59g2000hsh.googlegroups.com> <1175355178.826592.216560@y66g2000hsf.googlegroups.com> Reply-To: fdc@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: panix1.panix.com X-Trace: reader2.panix.com 1175366216 5615 166.84.1.1 (31 Mar 2007 18:36:56 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@panix.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2007 18:36:56 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0 (NetBSD) Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15667 On 2007-03-31, Mark Sapiro wrote: : On Mar 28, 9:44 am, "gregg dot drwho8 atsign gmail dot com" : wrote: :> :> However the one for G-Kermit appears to be wearing the 660 attribute :> which normally means its not world readable. And indeed on the ftp :> service I could see it but not download it. : : Which one is that? I just connected to : ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives (using a Kermit client of course) : and listed the directory. There are a few files that aren't world readable, : but all the gku100.tar* files are 664. : : I see two gkermit.tar.gz* in the ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/g : directory that are 660, but they aren't part of the 'individual source : files'. See ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/g/.readme . : : In short, It looks to me that all the files linked from with the sole exception of : the gku100.ia64-hpux-11.23 binary are world readable. : I fixed these just now. - Frank From mortier@locean-ipsl.upmc.fr Sat Mar 31 14:27:15 2007 Path: reader2.panix.com!panix!news.linkpendium.com!news.linkpendium.com!news.glorb.com!postnews.google.com!n76g2000hsh.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: "mortier" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: INPUT MINPUT case sensitive Date: 25 Mar 2007 09:49:23 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 7 Message-ID: <1174841363.610519.267370@n76g2000hsh.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 81.57.18.151 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Trace: posting.google.com 1174841365 14395 127.0.0.1 (25 Mar 2007 16:49:25 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2007 16:49:25 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; fr; rv:1.8.0.9) Gecko/20061206 Firefox/1.5.0.9,gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: n76g2000hsh.googlegroups.com; posting-host=81.57.18.151; posting-account=jw5YvA0AAAA0Aej0_tk88B_XbXa4B4dO Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15663 Hello all, I've been unable to find in the site how to write a INPUT or MINPUT waiting for a given CASE SENSITVE pattern. Thanks for help, Laurent From slash_dev_slash_null_2000@yahoo.com Sat Mar 31 14:27:55 2007 Path: reader2.panix.com!panix!newshub.stanford.edu!postnews.google.com!e65g2000hsc.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: "Mark Sapiro" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: INPUT MINPUT case sensitive Date: 31 Mar 2007 07:53:51 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 14 Message-ID: <1175352831.192164.62050@e65g2000hsc.googlegroups.com> References: <1174841363.610519.267370@n76g2000hsh.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.183.193.239 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Trace: posting.google.com 1175352832 27260 127.0.0.1 (31 Mar 2007 14:53:52 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2007 14:53:52 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: <1174841363.610519.267370@n76g2000hsh.googlegroups.com> User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.5) Gecko/20060912 Netscape/8.1.2,gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: e65g2000hsc.googlegroups.com; posting-host=68.183.193.239; posting-account=iQNWIg0AAAAD2fStXNC9nwGlPdSqjWrI Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15665 On Mar 25, 9:49 am, "mortier" wrote: > > I've been unable to find in the site how to write a INPUT or MINPUT > waiting for a given CASE SENSITVE pattern. SET CASE ON -- (for email use this address please - you can figure it out) Mark Sapiro msapiro at value net Any clod can have the facts; San Francisco Bay Area, California having opinions is an art. - C. McCabe, The Fearless Spectator From gregg.drwho8@gmail.com Sat Mar 31 14:33:30 2007 Path: reader2.panix.com!panix!newsfeed-00.mathworks.com!newscon02.news.prodigy.net!prodigy.net!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!postnews.google.com!n59g2000hsh.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: "gregg dot drwho8 atsign gmail dot com" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit source code and Cygwin Date: 28 Mar 2007 09:44:52 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 15 Message-ID: <1175100292.947647.295310@n59g2000hsh.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 67.101.255.42 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Trace: posting.google.com 1175100294 5572 127.0.0.1 (28 Mar 2007 16:44:54 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 16:44:54 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.8.1.3) Gecko/20070309 Firefox/2.0.0.3,gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: n59g2000hsh.googlegroups.com; posting-host=67.101.255.42; posting-account=A-gptw0AAADv7YCPjdls45d6a3WNvOGZ Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15664 Hello! I've decided to see if both the current version of C-Kermit, and the one for G-Kermit can be built using the latest CYGWIN stuff. So I was able to download the current version of C-Kermit via the website. Next will be building it, more on that later. However the one for G-Kermit appears to be wearing the 660 attribute which normally means its not world readable. And indeed on the ftp service I could see it but not download it. Question! Why is that? --- Gregg gregg dot drwho8 atsign gmail dot com From slash_dev_slash_null_2000@yahoo.com Sat Mar 31 14:34:40 2007 Path: reader2.panix.com!panix!newsfeed-00.mathworks.com!newsfeed2.dallas1.level3.net!news.level3.com!postnews.google.com!y66g2000hsf.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: "Mark Sapiro" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit source code and Cygwin Date: 31 Mar 2007 08:32:58 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 29 Message-ID: <1175355178.826592.216560@y66g2000hsf.googlegroups.com> References: <1175100292.947647.295310@n59g2000hsh.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.183.193.239 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Trace: posting.google.com 1175355180 9896 127.0.0.1 (31 Mar 2007 15:33:00 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2007 15:33:00 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: <1175100292.947647.295310@n59g2000hsh.googlegroups.com> User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.5) Gecko/20060912 Netscape/8.1.2,gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: y66g2000hsf.googlegroups.com; posting-host=68.183.193.239; posting-account=iQNWIg0AAAAD2fStXNC9nwGlPdSqjWrI Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15666 On Mar 28, 9:44 am, "gregg dot drwho8 atsign gmail dot com" wrote: > > However the one for G-Kermit appears to be wearing the 660 attribute > which normally means its not world readable. And indeed on the ftp > service I could see it but not download it. Which one is that? I just connected to ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives (using a Kermit client of course) and listed the directory. There are a few files that aren't world readable, but all the gku100.tar* files are 664. I see two gkermit.tar.gz* in the ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/g directory that are 660, but they aren't part of the 'individual source files'. See ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/g/.readme . In short, It looks to me that all the files linked from with the sole exception of the gku100.ia64-hpux-11.23 binary are world readable. -- (for email use this address please - you can figure it out) Mark Sapiro msapiro at value net Any clod can have the facts; San Francisco Bay Area, California having opinions is an art. - C. McCabe, The Fearless Spectator From fdc@panix.com Sat Mar 31 14:37:18 2007 Path: reader2.panix.com!panix!not-for-mail From: Frank Da Cruz Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit source code and Cygwin Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2007 18:36:56 +0000 (UTC) Organization: PANIX Public Access Internet and UNIX, NYC Lines: 24 Message-ID: References: <1175100292.947647.295310@n59g2000hsh.googlegroups.com> <1175355178.826592.216560@y66g2000hsf.googlegroups.com> Reply-To: fdc@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: panix1.panix.com X-Trace: reader2.panix.com 1175366216 5615 166.84.1.1 (31 Mar 2007 18:36:56 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@panix.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2007 18:36:56 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0 (NetBSD) Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15667 On 2007-03-31, Mark Sapiro wrote: : On Mar 28, 9:44 am, "gregg dot drwho8 atsign gmail dot com" : wrote: :> :> However the one for G-Kermit appears to be wearing the 660 attribute :> which normally means its not world readable. And indeed on the ftp :> service I could see it but not download it. : : Which one is that? I just connected to : ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives (using a Kermit client of course) : and listed the directory. There are a few files that aren't world readable, : but all the gku100.tar* files are 664. : : I see two gkermit.tar.gz* in the ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/g : directory that are 660, but they aren't part of the 'individual source : files'. See ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/g/.readme . : : In short, It looks to me that all the files linked from with the sole exception of : the gku100.ia64-hpux-11.23 binary are world readable. : I fixed these just now. - Frank From contracer11@gmail.com Fri Jun 29 13:08:49 2007 Path: reader2.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews.google.com!q69g2000hsb.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: contracer11@gmail.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Sudo with Kermit Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 03:36:41 -0000 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 17 Message-ID: <1182829001.679872.51040@q69g2000hsb.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 189.33.114.228 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Trace: posting.google.com 1182829001 15047 127.0.0.1 (26 Jun 2007 03:36:41 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 03:36:41 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; SV1; .NET CLR 1.1.4322),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: q69g2000hsb.googlegroups.com; posting-host=189.33.114.228; posting-account=2iG4AA0AAAC6LlGHhsiKFlhP3V-2NGzy Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15672 Hi: Is there any way to use Kermit like sudo program ? (to execute Unix commands like root user) solaris>cat /etc/hosts no privilege.... solaris> sudo cat /etc/hosts localhost 192.168.1.1 . . . solaris> Thanks. From stephen.bozarth@gmail.com Fri Jun 29 13:09:11 2007 Path: reader2.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews.google.com!g4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: nospam Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Sudo with Kermit Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 18:26:04 -0000 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 24 Message-ID: <1182882364.507475.314270@g4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com> References: <1182829001.679872.51040@q69g2000hsb.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.148.162.75 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Trace: posting.google.com 1182882364 6533 127.0.0.1 (26 Jun 2007 18:26:04 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 18:26:04 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: <1182829001.679872.51040@q69g2000hsb.googlegroups.com> User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.8.1.4) Gecko/20070515 Firefox/2.0.0.4,gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: g4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com; posting-host=24.148.162.75; posting-account=F3-DyQ0AAABnQuQZBKWD2mPtfPghcbc8 Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15673 On Jun 25, 11:36 pm, contrace...@gmail.com wrote: > Hi: > > Is there any way to use Kermit like sudo program ? > (to execute Unix commands like root user) > > solaris>cat /etc/hosts > no privilege.... > > solaris> sudo cat /etc/hosts > localhost 192.168.1.1 > . > . > . > solaris> > > Thanks. Did you try? sudo kermit will fire up kermit, given appropriate sudo permissions for the invoking user.... sudo kermit will execute a kermit script. From mortier@locean-ipsl.upmc.fr Mon Jul 23 14:42:16 2007 Path: reader2.panix.com!panix!newsfeed-00.mathworks.com!newsfeed2.dallas1.level3.net!news.level3.com!postnews.google.com!r34g2000hsd.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: mortier Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: kermit script and unix arguments Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2007 13:42:02 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 11 Message-ID: <1184013722.056689.209050@r34g2000hsd.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 81.57.18.151 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Trace: posting.google.com 1184013722 1776 127.0.0.1 (9 Jul 2007 20:42:02 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 20:42:02 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; fr; rv:1.8.0.9) Gecko/20061206 Firefox/1.5.0.9,gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: r34g2000hsd.googlegroups.com; posting-host=81.57.18.151; posting-account=jw5YvA0AAAA0Aej0_tk88B_XbXa4B4dO Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15674 Hello, I want to use a kermit script starting with #!/usr/bin/kermit + with a line of argument (which can be empty). How the check if there are actually arguments ? In the case where there are arguement, how to put then in local kermit variables? In fact, how to mimic with kermit the linux while getops "options here" option ; do ... ? Thanks a lot for help, Laurent From clamat@telus.net Mon Jul 23 14:45:41 2007 Path: reader2.panix.com!panix!newsfeed-00.mathworks.com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!news.glorb.com!newsfeed2.telusplanet.net!newsfeed.telus.net!edtnps89.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc From: Matthew Clarke Subject: Re: kermit script and unix arguments References: <1184013722.056689.209050@r34g2000hsd.googlegroups.com> User-Agent: nn/6.7.3 Lines: 21 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2007 22:46:01 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.6.28.90 X-Trace: edtnps89 1184021161 207.6.28.90 (Mon, 09 Jul 2007 16:46:01 MDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2007 16:46:01 MDT Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15675 mortier writes: >Hello, > >I want to use a kermit script starting with #!/usr/bin/kermit + >with a line of argument (which can be empty). How the check if there >are actually arguments ? In the case where there are arguement, how to >put then in local kermit variables? In fact, how to mimic with kermit >the linux >while getops "options here" option ; do ... ? > >Thanks a lot for help, Laurent According to "Using C-Kermit" (2nd edition), \v(args) holds the number of arguments and the array \&@[] holds the arguments themselves. See http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/scriptlib.html for example scripts, many of which have code to parse command-line arguments. -- Snappy Quote: "abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz"* *some assembly required From fdc@panix.com Mon Jul 23 14:56:29 2007 Path: reader2.panix.com!panix!not-for-mail From: Frank da Cruz Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: kermit script and unix arguments Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 18:56:20 +0000 (UTC) Organization: PANIX Public Access Internet and UNIX, NYC Lines: 44 Message-ID: References: <1184013722.056689.209050@r34g2000hsd.googlegroups.com> Reply-To: fdc@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: panix2.panix.com X-Trace: reader2.panix.com 1185216980 24951 166.84.1.2 (23 Jul 2007 18:56:20 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@panix.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 18:56:20 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0 (NetBSD) Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15676 On 2007-07-09, Matthew Clarke wrote: : mortier writes: : :>Hello, :> :>I want to use a kermit script starting with #!/usr/bin/kermit + :>with a line of argument (which can be empty). How the check if there :>are actually arguments ? In the case where there are arguement, how to :>put then in local kermit variables? In fact, how to mimic with kermit :>the linux :>while getops "options here" option ; do ... ? :> :>Thanks a lot for help, Laurent : : According to "Using C-Kermit" (2nd edition), \v(args) holds the number of : arguments and the array \&@[] holds the arguments themselves. : : See http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/scriptlib.html for example scripts, : many of which have code to parse command-line arguments. : Actually the appropriate array is \&_[] and the appropriate count is \v(argc). The \&@[] array contains *all* the command-line arguments -- command-line options for Kermit as well as arguments for the script. When you write a kerbang script, normally you would only want the script to process the arguments that are for the script itself. And as expected the \&_[0] element contains the name of the script, rather than the name of Kermit. For details see: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckermit70.html#x7.19 (kerbang scripts) and: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckermit70.html#x7.19 (passing arguments) and: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckermit70.html#x7.5 (using > 10 arguments) Note that \&_[1] through \&_[9] are the same as \%1 through \%9 -- i.e. the regular macro / command-file arguments. The array is useful for accessing the arguments programmatically by number, and also allows for more than 9 arguments. - Frank From homeyjoe@gmail.com Tue Aug 7 13:01:01 2007 Path: reader2.panix.com!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews.google.com!g12g2000prg.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: homeyjoe@gmail.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit ftp blocked Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 18:21:50 -0000 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 13 Message-ID: <1185906110.645169.36120@g12g2000prg.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.183.247.98 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Trace: posting.google.com 1185906111 8178 127.0.0.1 (31 Jul 2007 18:21:51 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 18:21:51 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.8.1.5) Gecko/20070713 Firefox/2.0.0.5,gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: g12g2000prg.googlegroups.com; posting-host=216.183.247.98; posting-account=ps2QrAMAAAA6_jCuRt2JEIpn5Otqf_w0 Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15677 I'm running on AIX 5 and if I use unix ftp commands I can connect to my ftp site and download files. But if I use kermit ftp commands it hangs trying to download the file (or even doing a dir command). Eventually it says the connection timed out and goes back to the kermit prompt. I think the problem is their firewall is blocking it since I don't have the same problem at other client sites. Does anyone know what port (besides 21) needs to be allowed? TIA Shawn From homeyjoe@gmail.com Tue Aug 7 13:01:20 2007 Path: reader2.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews.google.com!j4g2000prf.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: homeyjoe@gmail.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit ftp blocked Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 18:38:02 -0000 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 19 Message-ID: <1185907082.607994.170220@j4g2000prf.googlegroups.com> References: <1185906110.645169.36120@g12g2000prg.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.196.50.50 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Trace: posting.google.com 1185907083 31056 127.0.0.1 (31 Jul 2007 18:38:03 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 18:38:03 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: <1185906110.645169.36120@g12g2000prg.googlegroups.com> User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.8.1.5) Gecko/20070713 Firefox/2.0.0.5,gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: j4g2000prf.googlegroups.com; posting-host=24.196.50.50; posting-account=ps2QrAMAAAA6_jCuRt2JEIpn5Otqf_w0 Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15678 FYI - The client figured out the problem - apparently it was in active ftp mode so they had to enable IP masquerading and then I could download files. On Jul 31, 1:21 pm, homey...@gmail.com wrote: > I'm running on AIX 5 and if I use unix ftp commands I can connect to > my ftp site and download files. But if I use kermit ftp commands it > hangs trying to download the file (or even doing a dir command). > Eventually it says the connection timed out and goes back to the > kermit prompt. > > I think the problem is their firewall is blocking it since I don't > have the same problem at other client sites. Does anyone know what > port (besides 21) needs to be allowed? > > TIA > Shawn From gregg.drwho8@gmail.com Tue Aug 7 13:03:46 2007 Path: reader2.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews.google.com!q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: gregg dot drwho8 atsign gmail dot com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Building C-Kermit-8.211 Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2007 03:41:12 -0000 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 28 Message-ID: <1186026072.470873.303570@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 69.3.198.238 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Trace: posting.google.com 1186026072 8168 127.0.0.1 (2 Aug 2007 03:41:12 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 03:41:12 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; Konqueror/3.5; Linux) KHTML/3.5.4 (like Gecko),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com; posting-host=69.3.198.238; posting-account=ps2QrAMAAAA6_jCuRt2JEIpn5Otqf_w0 Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15679 Hello! While building the lastest release of C-Kermit from source retrieved several days ago from the site, my laptop who's running Slackware-7.1, old but works well on older gear, the process decided to crash complaining about a typo. It was regarding the definition of a term, regarding the crypt libraries. However trying it again, this time extracting into a fresh directory it didn't happen. Instead I get a normal build. I can present a script file of the process for those that are interested. And here's something strange. In the interim I grabbed a binary, thinking I would use that if I couldn't get a good build made. Instead it complains about missing symbols in the libraries. That message I don't have, because I discarded the binary after building the working one. What is interesting to note is that the laptop is wearing the latest series of patches that were available at the time the distribution was released, and the issues were of course identified. These were complaints about the Glibc signatures found in the runtime libraries. Can one of you at the Kermit place check the dates of your installed Glibc kits and advise me accordingly? Again this concerns Slackware-7.1. -- Gregg gregg dot drwho8 atsign gmail dot com -- "This signature does not exist!" From mjtice@gmail.com Tue Aug 7 13:12:33 2007 Path: reader2.panix.com!panix!newsfeed-00.mathworks.com!newsfeed2.dallas1.level3.net!news.level3.com!postnews.google.com!g12g2000prg.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: mtice Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: SIZE error when getting file. Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2007 14:45:16 -0000 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 22 Message-ID: <1186152316.448880.120380@g12g2000prg.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 67.107.192.130 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Trace: posting.google.com 1186152317 3363 127.0.0.1 (3 Aug 2007 14:45:17 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2007 14:45:17 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.8.1.6) Gecko/20061201 Firefox/2.0.0.6 (Ubuntu-feisty),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) X-HTTP-Via: 1.1 privoxy.cmcflex.com:8118 (squid/2.5.STABLE9) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: g12g2000prg.googlegroups.com; posting-host=67.107.192.130; posting-account=ps2QrAMAAAA6_jCuRt2JEIpn5Otqf_w0 Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15680 Hello, I'm trying to ftp into an i/5 to retrieve a file. I'm getting an error however. These are the commands: # kermit C-Kermit>ftp 10.5.0.13 Connected to 10.5.0.13. Name (10.5.0.13:root): cmc Password: C-Kermit>cd /qsys.lib/eom063007.lib C-Kermit>bin C-Kermit>get DATAAZ.file Subcommand SIZE not valid. C-Kermit>quit However, if I use the shell's (bash, suse linux 10.0) built-in ftp client I'm able to retrieve the file just fine. If anyone could shed some light on this problem I'd appreciate it greatly. Matt From fdc@panix.com Tue Aug 7 13:34:22 2007 Path: reader2.panix.com!panix!not-for-mail From: Frank Da Cruz Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Building C-Kermit-8.211 Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 17:09:48 +0000 (UTC) Organization: PANIX Public Access Internet and UNIX, NYC Lines: 37 Message-ID: References: <1186026072.470873.303570@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com> Reply-To: fdc@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: panix3.panix.com X-Trace: reader2.panix.com 1186506588 17170 166.84.1.3 (7 Aug 2007 17:09:48 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@panix.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 17:09:48 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0 (NetBSD) Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15681 On 2007-08-02, wrote: : While building the lastest release of C-Kermit from source retrieved : several days ago from the site, my laptop who's running Slackware-7.1, : old but works well on older gear, the process decided to crash : complaining about a typo. It was regarding the definition of a term, : regarding the crypt libraries. : : However trying it again, this time extracting into a fresh directory : it didn't happen. Instead I get a normal build. I can present a : script file of the process for those that are interested. : As far as I know, the "make linux" target should be fine everywhere. It is perhaps the most "advanced" target in the makefile, as it includes a number of tests to allow for different Linux variations. I can't explain why trying to build it once would crash (what crashed exactly?) and doing it again worked ok, but if you wish, please go ahead send the script to kermit-support@columbia.edu. : And here's something strange. In the interim I grabbed a binary, : thinking I would use that if I couldn't get a good build made. Instead : it complains about missing symbols in the libraries. That message I : don't have, because I discarded the binary after building the working : one. What is interesting to note is that the laptop is wearing the : latest series of patches that were available at the time the : distribution was released, and the issues were of course identified. : : These were complaints about the Glibc signatures found in the runtime : libraries. Can one of you at the Kermit place check the dates of your : installed Glibc kits and advise me accordingly? Again this concerns : Slackware-7.1. : Kermit binaries -- and this is probably true of most other applications as well -- are vulnerable to this kind of thing, in Linux especially. It is always better to build it on the computer where it is to be run, to allow for library differences and so on. - Frank From fdc@panix.com Tue Aug 7 13:34:25 2007 Path: reader2.panix.com!panix!not-for-mail From: Frank da Cruz Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: SIZE error when getting file. Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 17:34:04 +0000 (UTC) Organization: PANIX Public Access Internet and UNIX, NYC Lines: 44 Message-ID: References: <1186152316.448880.120380@g12g2000prg.googlegroups.com> Reply-To: fdc@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: panix3.panix.com X-Trace: reader2.panix.com 1186508044 9203 166.84.1.3 (7 Aug 2007 17:34:04 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@panix.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 17:34:04 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0 (NetBSD) Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15682 On 2007-08-03, mtice wrote: : I'm trying to ftp into an i/5 to retrieve a file. I'm getting an : error however. These are the commands: : : # kermit : C-Kermit>ftp 10.5.0.13 : Connected to 10.5.0.13. : Name (10.5.0.13:root): cmc : Password: : C-Kermit>cd /qsys.lib/eom063007.lib : C-Kermit>bin : C-Kermit>get DATAAZ.file : Subcommand SIZE not valid. : C-Kermit>quit : : However, if I use the shell's (bash, suse linux 10.0) built-in ftp : client I'm able to retrieve the file just fine. If anyone could shed : some light on this problem I'd appreciate it greatly. : When you give a GET command, Kermit sends a SIZE command to get the file's size so (for example) it can give a progress indication during the transfer. C-Kermit>set ftp debug on C-Kermit>get msk315.txt ---> SIZE msk315.txt 213 16220 GET msk315.txt (text) (16220 bytes)---> PASV 227 Entering Passive Mode (128,59,29,214,130,34) ---> RETR msk315.txt 150 Opening ASCII mode data connection for msk315.txt (15814 bytes). 226 Transfer complete. C-Kermit> If the server does not understand the SIZE command, Kermit is supposed to say (to itself), "OK, fine, I don't know the size but I will still ask for the file", and then it sends a RETR command. I don't see anyplace in the code where Kermit would fail to send the RETR command upon getting an error in response to the SIZE command. I would be interested to find out how this happened. In the meantime, however, you can always work around the problem by giving the following command before you do a GET or MGET: ftp disable size - Frank From gregg.drwho8@gmail.com Fri Aug 10 14:37:39 2007 Path: reader2.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews.google.com!l70g2000hse.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: gregg dot drwho8 atsign gmail dot com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Building C-Kermit-8.211 Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2007 18:01:10 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 50 Message-ID: <1186534870.465734.241090@l70g2000hse.googlegroups.com> References: <1186026072.470873.303570@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 67.101.31.133 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Trace: posting.google.com 1186534870 24862 127.0.0.1 (8 Aug 2007 01:01:10 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 01:01:10 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; Konqueror/3.5; Linux) KHTML/3.5.4 (like Gecko),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: l70g2000hse.googlegroups.com; posting-host=67.101.31.133; posting-account=ps2QrAMAAAA6_jCuRt2JEIpn5Otqf_w0 Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15683 Frank Da Cruz wrote: > On 2007-08-02, wrote: > : While building the lastest release of C-Kermit from source retrieved > : several days ago from the site, my laptop who's running Slackware-7.1, > : old but works well on older gear, the process decided to crash > : complaining about a typo. It was regarding the definition of a term, > : regarding the crypt libraries. > : > : However trying it again, this time extracting into a fresh directory > : it didn't happen. Instead I get a normal build. I can present a > : script file of the process for those that are interested. > : > As far as I know, the "make linux" target should be fine everywhere. > It is perhaps the most "advanced" target in the makefile, as it includes > a number of tests to allow for different Linux variations. I can't explain > why trying to build it once would crash (what crashed exactly?) and doing > it again worked ok, but if you wish, please go ahead send the script to > kermit-support@columbia.edu. > > : And here's something strange. In the interim I grabbed a binary, > : thinking I would use that if I couldn't get a good build made. Instead > : it complains about missing symbols in the libraries. That message I > : don't have, because I discarded the binary after building the working > : one. What is interesting to note is that the laptop is wearing the > : latest series of patches that were available at the time the > : distribution was released, and the issues were of course identified. > : > : These were complaints about the Glibc signatures found in the runtime > : libraries. Can one of you at the Kermit place check the dates of your > : installed Glibc kits and advise me accordingly? Again this concerns > : Slackware-7.1. > : > Kermit binaries -- and this is probably true of most other applications as > well -- are vulnerable to this kind of thing, in Linux especially. It is > always better to build it on the computer where it is to be run, to allow > for library differences and so on. > > - Frank Hello! >From what I recall the build process exploded on the subject of the Ncurses library. And yes I find it interesting, and even ironic that it would work the second time around, as opposed to the first. Oh and I am preparing to send the script output of the second go-round to your selected address this right minute. ---- Gregg gregg dot drwho8 atsign gmail dot com From gregg.drwho8@gmail.com Fri Aug 10 14:38:22 2007 Path: reader2.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews.google.com!d55g2000hsg.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: gregg dot drwho8 atsign gmail dot com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Building C-Kermit-8.211 Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2007 18:16:44 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 58 Message-ID: <1186535804.012081.284730@d55g2000hsg.googlegroups.com> References: <1186026072.470873.303570@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com> <1186534870.465734.241090@l70g2000hse.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 67.101.31.133 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Trace: posting.google.com 1186535804 27546 127.0.0.1 (8 Aug 2007 01:16:44 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 01:16:44 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: <1186534870.465734.241090@l70g2000hse.googlegroups.com> User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; Konqueror/3.5; Linux) KHTML/3.5.4 (like Gecko),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: d55g2000hsg.googlegroups.com; posting-host=67.101.31.133; posting-account=ps2QrAMAAAA6_jCuRt2JEIpn5Otqf_w0 Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15684 gregg dot drwho8 atsign gmail dot com wrote: > Frank Da Cruz wrote: > > On 2007-08-02, wrote: > > : While building the lastest release of C-Kermit from source retrieved > > : several days ago from the site, my laptop who's running Slackware-7.1, > > : old but works well on older gear, the process decided to crash > > : complaining about a typo. It was regarding the definition of a term, > > : regarding the crypt libraries. > > : > > : However trying it again, this time extracting into a fresh directory > > : it didn't happen. Instead I get a normal build. I can present a > > : script file of the process for those that are interested. > > : > > As far as I know, the "make linux" target should be fine everywhere. > > It is perhaps the most "advanced" target in the makefile, as it includes > > a number of tests to allow for different Linux variations. I can't explain > > why trying to build it once would crash (what crashed exactly?) and doing > > it again worked ok, but if you wish, please go ahead send the script to > > kermit-support@columbia.edu. > > > > : And here's something strange. In the interim I grabbed a binary, > > : thinking I would use that if I couldn't get a good build made. Instead > > : it complains about missing symbols in the libraries. That message I > > : don't have, because I discarded the binary after building the working > > : one. What is interesting to note is that the laptop is wearing the > > : latest series of patches that were available at the time the > > : distribution was released, and the issues were of course identified. > > : > > : These were complaints about the Glibc signatures found in the runtime > > : libraries. Can one of you at the Kermit place check the dates of your > > : installed Glibc kits and advise me accordingly? Again this concerns > > : Slackware-7.1. > > : > > Kermit binaries -- and this is probably true of most other applications as > > well -- are vulnerable to this kind of thing, in Linux especially. It is > > always better to build it on the computer where it is to be run, to allow > > for library differences and so on. > > > > - Frank > > Hello! > >From what I recall the build process exploded on the subject of the > Ncurses library. And yes I find it interesting, and even ironic that > it would work the second time around, as opposed to the first. > > Oh and I am preparing to send the script output of the second go-round > to your selected address this right minute. > ---- > Gregg gregg dot drwho8 atsign gmail dot com Hello! Pardon me, minor brain engineering casualty, it was indeed the crypt library issue not ncurses that caused the first event during building of C-Kermit-8.0 211 -- Gregg gregg dot drwho8 atsign gmail dot com From leen.smit@gmail.com Sun Sep 2 14:59:47 2007 Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews.google.com!r29g2000hsg.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: leen.smit@gmail.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: ITX / WP - not sending shift F7 (and driving me N*TS) Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 05:13:35 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 53 Message-ID: <1188476015.510322.303410@r29g2000hsg.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.131.148.97 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Trace: posting.google.com 1188476015 17209 127.0.0.1 (30 Aug 2007 12:13:35 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 12:13:35 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.0; .NET CLR 1.1.4322),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: r29g2000hsg.googlegroups.com; posting-host=62.131.148.97; posting-account=ps2QrAMAAAA6_jCuRt2JEIpn5Otqf_w0 Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15685 Hello, I have the following weird problem, and im hoping that you can help me. Im working on a Linux machine (fedora core 7) and connect trough ssh or telnet to a server, on which ITX (=Wordperfect for Unix) runs. For some reason, i cannot use any of the WP shortcuts. I need shift-f7 - The printer menu - to test printers for users.. Now, the normal F1 through F12 work fine, but not SHIFT / CTRL / ALT combos. My collegues, on windows, use K95. this is preconfigured a long time ago (the mappings etc).i dived into the conf files and see wether any special parameters where set. i coulndt find any, except termninal protocol is vt220 or kermit. on linux this should not be neccesary, since xterm already has the vt220 terminal "embedded". I've already tried installing Ckermit, and copy the windows .INI files (with the key mappings for Kermit) onto my machine(and edit them slighty), to no avail..I tried downloading premade mappings from http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ftp and place those in my .kermrc file. To no avail... Searching the newsgroups i found commands like " set terminal keyboard- mode wp" to set kermit in WP mode.. But Ckermit is not excepting this.. That is to say, in those post people reffer to "pressing ctrl-x" to get in command mode, but that doenst do anything . I simply start kermit by typing kermit at the prompt, and then telnet or ssh at the C-Kermit prompt.. once logged on there, i start ITX. Somehow i have a strange feeling my xterm or (Gnome-term for that matter) simply does not send the shift-F7 keystroke to the remote machine... I've tried export TERM=vt220, in the idle hope that that might change anything, to no avail... I tried from a normal terminal (no x), with the same results.. Since kermit is so well documented im starting to feel rather stupid at this stage.. Im no expert, but most of this is not new to me, so what im a doing wrong here? I just need this silly SHIFT-F7! Does anyone here by any chance know how to fix this??? Any help would be greatly apprecited. If i need to suplly any info, please dont hesitate to contact me. With kind regards, Leen Smit From fdc@panix.com Sun Sep 2 15:04:30 2007 Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!not-for-mail From: Frank da Cruz Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: ITX / WP - not sending shift F7 (and driving me N*TS) Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2007 19:04:17 +0000 (UTC) Organization: PANIX Public Access Internet and UNIX, NYC Lines: 25 Message-ID: References: <1188476015.510322.303410@r29g2000hsg.googlegroups.com> Reply-To: fdc@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: panix5.panix.com X-Trace: reader1.panix.com 1188759857 5570 166.84.1.5 (2 Sep 2007 19:04:17 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@panix.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2007 19:04:17 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0 (NetBSD) Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15686 On 2007-08-30, leen.smit@gmail.com wrote: : Im working on a Linux machine (fedora core 7) and connect trough ssh : or telnet to a server, on which ITX (=Wordperfect for Unix) runs. For : some reason, i cannot use any of the WP shortcuts. I need shift-f7 - : The printer menu - to test printers for users.. Now, the normal F1 : through F12 work fine, but not SHIFT / CTRL / ALT combos. : : My collegues, on windows, use K95. this is preconfigured a long time : ago (the mappings etc).i dived into the conf files and see wether any : special parameters where set. i coulndt find any, except termninal : protocol is vt220 or kermit. on linux this should not be neccesary, : since xterm already has the vt220 terminal "embedded". : The problem is that Linux is not Windows. In Windows, an application (such as K95) can "see" the keyboard. In Linux it can only read characters from stdin. C-Kermit has no idea if you press F7 or Alt-F7 or Ctrl-Alt-Shift-F7 -- it only gets the bytes that the console driver gives to it and passes them along to the host you are connected to. This is discussed here: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckfaq.html#term Sorry! - Frank From junkmail@eracc.com Thu Sep 20 14:52:10 2007 Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed-00.mathworks.com!kanaga.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.in2p3.fr!in2p3.fr!feeder1-2.proxad.net!proxad.net!feeder1-1.proxad.net!club-internet.fr!feedme-small.clubint.net!news.motzarella.org!motzarella.org!not-for-mail From: ERACC Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.networking,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Best speed for file transfers? Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 18:09:55 +0000 (UTC) Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 33 Message-ID: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: tomate.motzarella.org U2FsdGVkX18hy0IhSMPHFllp6u1osAhmMXF/xrJxGnA7LZrV6EIJhbiEApWrCVza8wrAX9hqmGUvhLUUrSh50LV2f6qdBPVI96QSncSael2ur0V10Rfon8o4Xva7QCuXaHtIpdolFp0= X-Complaints-To: Please send complaints to abuse@motzarella.org with full headers NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 18:09:55 +0000 (UTC) X-Auth-Sender: U2FsdGVkX1/NGEp2lQTrN0w7nlz66lvWsMwCsKfxYkU= Cancel-Lock: sha1:SzZA4FDzNURBETmg4I/9w+UojG8= User-Agent: Pan/0.132 (Waxed in Black) Xref: panix comp.os.linux.networking:481833 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15687 On Thu, 13 Sep 2007 14:08:15 +0000, ***** charles wrote: > I need to transfer lots of large (4-5G)files from several computers to > one over a network. I have access to 1G switches and such so what > would be the best way to accomplish this, ftp, cp, samba, nfs, zfs > etc....? [...] Any of the above will work as long as the receiving filesystem can handle files larger than 2GB. You will be limited by the slowest link in the network between your new host and each system. I usually use c-kermit on both ends of Unix connections to transfer lots of files. It can be used over telnet or ssh to do this. If it matters to you c-kermit is not OSS. The version for Micro$oft systems is not "free". http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck80.html http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html If you use it and like it you might want to purchase the manual: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/manuals.html Use this URL to read the C-Kermit 7.0/8.0 license: ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/f/COPYING.TXT Cross-post to: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Gene (e-mail: gene \a\t eracc \d\o\t com) -- Mandriva Linux release 2007.1 (Official) for i586 Got Rute? http://www.anrdoezrs.net/email-2546588-42121?isbn=0130333514 ERA Computers & Consulting - http://www.eracc.com/ Preloaded PCs - eComStation, Linux, FreeBSD, OpenServer & UnixWare From bonomi@host122.r-bonomi.com Thu Sep 20 14:59:03 2007 Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed-00.mathworks.com!oleane.net!oleane!nerim.net!feeder1-2.proxad.net!proxad.net!feeder1-1.proxad.net!club-internet.fr!feedme-small.clubint.net!grolier!freenix!sn-xt-sjc-05!sn-xt-sjc-08!sn-xt-sjc-01!sn-post-sjc-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: bonomi@host122.r-bonomi.com (Robert Bonomi) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Determining State of "set case" Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 08:34:15 -0000 Organization: Widgets, Inc. Message-ID: <13f4c471da12gc2@corp.supernews.com> References: <13f05dg3q021hc9@corp.supernews.com> X-Newsreader: trn 4.0-test76 (Apr 2, 2001) Originator: bonomi@host122.r-bonomi.com (Robert Bonomi) X-Complaints-To: abuse@supernews.com Lines: 29 Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15689 In article <13f05dg3q021hc9@corp.supernews.com>, NoSpam wrote: >Is there a way to determine the state of "set case" ? > >I want to be able to store and reset this value after calling functions that >may change it for >the purpose of their string matching. you dont _need_ to. "Set case" is automatially restored to its "old" value -- whatever that was -- when a macro or command file is _exited_. Change it within a macro, and -- at maro exit -- it reverts to what it was when that macro was entered. Change it within a command file, and at file exit,it reverts to what itwas when the file was entered. >If this is not possible, I guess a workaround would be to compare \fupper() >or \flower() for case insensitive searches. From fdc@panix.com Thu Sep 20 14:59:29 2007 Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!not-for-mail From: Frank da Cruz Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.networking,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Best speed for file transfers? Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 18:58:22 +0000 (UTC) Organization: PANIX Public Access Internet and UNIX, NYC Lines: 48 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: fdc@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: panix1.panix.com X-Trace: reader1.panix.com 1190314702 4398 166.84.1.1 (20 Sep 2007 18:58:22 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@panix.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 18:58:22 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0 (NetBSD) Xref: panix comp.os.linux.networking:481987 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15690 On 2007-09-13, ERACC wrote: : On Thu, 13 Sep 2007 14:08:15 +0000, ***** charles wrote: : :> I need to transfer lots of large (4-5G)files from several computers to :> one over a network. I have access to 1G switches and such so what :> would be the best way to accomplish this, ftp, cp, samba, nfs, zfs :> etc....? [...] : : Any of the above will work as long as the receiving filesystem can handle : files larger than 2GB. You will be limited by the slowest link in the : network between your new host and each system. I usually use c-kermit on : both ends of Unix connections to transfer lots of files. It can be used : over telnet or ssh to do this. If it matters to you c-kermit is not OSS. : The version for Micro$oft systems is not "free". : : http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck80.html : http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html : : If you use it and like it you might want to purchase the manual: : : http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/manuals.html : : Use this URL to read the C-Kermit 7.0/8.0 license: : : ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/f/COPYING.TXT : : Cross-post to: comp.protocols.kermit.misc : Note that support for large files (> 2GB) in the current Kermit releases is limited to pure 64-bit platforms like Tru64 Unix. Preview versions of the next C-Kermit release are available here: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckdaily.html This version supports transfer of large files, both with Kermit protocol and FTP, on many platforms, listed here: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckc212.html As to speed, you can measure it yourself but modern Kermit is a lot faster than many people imagine. It has been adapted to today's relatively transparent and error-free transports (TCP/IP, error-correcting modems, big buffers, etc) to go at speeds close to the connection speed itself; sometimes a bit faster due to a simple built-in compression method. - Frank From rolftrainor@gmail.com Thu Sep 27 18:49:27 2007 Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews.google.com!k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: RolfTrainor Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit on Windows using SRP and srpfilter.dll Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 17:53:15 -0000 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 16 Message-ID: <1190829195.376464.148160@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 199.64.0.252 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Trace: posting.google.com 1190829195 24309 127.0.0.1 (26 Sep 2007 17:53:15 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 17:53:15 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.8.1.7) Gecko/20070914 Firefox/2.0.0.7,gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com; posting-host=199.64.0.252; posting-account=ps2QrAMAAAA6_jCuRt2JEIpn5Otqf_w0 Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15691 I am in a situation where i need to have an FTP server, on Windows, that accepts Stanford's SRP requests. Kermit appears to be the only software that will do this. I am trying to install the free demo K95 2.1.3 for Windows. As i configure Kermit, the documentation states that i need to copy a srpfilter.dll file to the c:\Windows directory. I cannot find that file anywhere. Am i missing something in this, or can someone tell me where that file is. Any help would be appreciated. Thank you Rolf Trainor From fdc@panix.com Thu Sep 27 18:49:35 2007 Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!not-for-mail From: Frank da Cruz Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit on Windows using SRP and srpfilter.dll Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 22:49:22 +0000 (UTC) Organization: PANIX Public Access Internet and UNIX, NYC Lines: 22 Message-ID: References: <1190829195.376464.148160@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com> Reply-To: fdc@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: panix2.panix.com X-Trace: reader1.panix.com 1190933362 5547 166.84.1.2 (27 Sep 2007 22:49:22 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@panix.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 22:49:22 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0 (NetBSD) Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15692 On 2007-09-26, RolfTrainor wrote: : I am in a situation where i need to have an FTP server, on Windows, : that accepts Stanford's SRP requests. Kermit appears to be the only : software that will do this. I am trying to install the free demo : K95 2.1.3 for Windows. : Kermit 95 is not an FTP server. It does, however, include an FTP client that supports various security including SRP. : As i configure Kermit, the documentation states that i need to copy a : srpfilter.dll file to the c:\Windows directory. I cannot find that : file anywhere. Am i missing something in this, or can someone tell me : where that file is. : Which documentation? I don't find the string "srpfilter" anywhere in the Kermit 95 manual or on the website. If DLLs need to be installed, the Installer would do it automatically, according to the options you elected. In any case, on my own Windows XP system, which has a fully configured version of Kermit 95 installed, there is no srpfilter.dll anywhere on the hard disk. - Frank From jaltman@gmail.com Sat Oct 20 09:32:55 2007 Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews.google.com!e9g2000prf.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: Jeffrey Altman Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit on Windows using SRP and srpfilter.dll Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2007 14:29:40 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 24 Message-ID: <1192397380.837012.138620@e9g2000prf.googlegroups.com> References: <1190829195.376464.148160@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.193.47.99 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Trace: posting.google.com 1192397381 15341 127.0.0.1 (14 Oct 2007 21:29:41 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2007 21:29:41 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: <1190829195.376464.148160@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com> User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.8.1.7) Gecko/20070914 Firefox/2.0.0.7,gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: e9g2000prf.googlegroups.com; posting-host=24.193.47.99; posting-account=ps2QrAMAAAA6_jCuRt2JEIpn5Otqf_w0 Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15693 On Sep 26, 1:53 pm, RolfTrainor wrote: > I am in a situation where i need to have an FTP server, on Windows, > that accepts Stanford's SRP requests. Kermit appears to be the only > software that will do this. I am trying to install the free demo > K95 2.1.3 for Windows. > > As i configure Kermit, the documentation states that i need to copy a > srpfilter.dll file to the c:\Windows directory. I cannot find that > file anywhere. Am i missing something in this, or can someone tell me > where that file is. The wiksdadm.htm file states the file name is SRPFILTR.DLL. I don't remember where it would be installed but you would have to select the optional SRP modules during the installation process. SRPFILTR.DLL is a Windows Password Change hook that would permit automatic synchronization of the local Windows account password and the SRP Password Hash file. Jeffrey Altman Secure Endpoints Inc. From texasreddog@yahoo.com Wed Oct 31 16:15:48 2007 Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed-00.mathworks.com!newsfeed2.dallas1.level3.net!news.level3.com!postnews.google.com!z24g2000prh.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: texasreddog Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: ?Session log wasn't open Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 14:10:03 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 16 Message-ID: <1193173803.461402.65000@z24g2000prh.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.45.123.11 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Trace: posting.google.com 1193173804 7505 127.0.0.1 (23 Oct 2007 21:10:04 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 21:10:04 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.8.1.8) Gecko/20071008 Firefox/2.0.0.8,gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) X-HTTP-Via: 1.1 proxy.dmotorworks.com:8000 (squid/2.5.STABLE7) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: z24g2000prh.googlegroups.com; posting-host=66.45.123.11; posting-account=ps2QrAMAAAA6_jCuRt2JEIpn5Otqf_w0 Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15694 I have a process/job that uses the C-Kermit protocol to dial into and get data from a modem site. I have never worked with C-Kermit before, so please bear with me. The process runs normally, but then terminates with the error: ?Session log wasn't open I am thinking that some environment/configuration variable for C- Kermit has not been setup properly. Either that, or nothing is being written to this log. What do I need to check and do to try to resolve this problem? Thanks, Ken From nospam@killspam.org Wed Oct 31 16:15:59 2007 Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed-00.mathworks.com!news.tele.dk!feed118.news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!multikabel.net!feed20.multikabel.net!sn-xt-ams-06!sn-xt-ams-08!sn-ams!sn-feed-ams-03!sn-post-ams-01!sn-post-sjc-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "NoSpam" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: ?Session log wasn't open Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 22:59:16 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: <13htd867qcpma14@corp.supernews.com> References: <1193173803.461402.65000@z24g2000prh.googlegroups.com> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Original X-Complaints-To: abuse@supernews.com Lines: 9 Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15695 "texasreddog" wrote in message > ?Session log wasn't open type help log to view / changes your session log settings. could be a permission / rights issue preventing the logfile from being created / written. From bonomi@host122.r-bonomi.com Wed Oct 31 16:16:11 2007 Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed-00.mathworks.com!news.tele.dk!feed118.news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!newsgate.cistron.nl!xs4all!feeder.news-service.com!sn-xt-ams-06!sn-xt-ams-10!sn-xt-ams-05!sn-ams!sn-feed-ams-02!sn-ams!sn-feed-ams-03!sn-post-ams-02!sn-post-sjc-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: bonomi@host122.r-bonomi.com (Robert Bonomi) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: ?Session log wasn't open Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2007 23:01:12 -0000 Organization: Widgets, Inc. Message-ID: <13i7gpo4cko9440@corp.supernews.com> References: <1193173803.461402.65000@z24g2000prh.googlegroups.com> X-Newsreader: trn 4.0-test76 (Apr 2, 2001) Originator: bonomi@host122.r-bonomi.com (Robert Bonomi) X-Complaints-To: abuse@supernews.com Lines: 18 Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15696 In article <1193173803.461402.65000@z24g2000prh.googlegroups.com>, texasreddog wrote: >I have a process/job that uses the C-Kermit protocol to dial into and >get data from a modem site. I have never worked with C-Kermit before, >so please bear with me. The process runs normally, but then >terminates with the error: > >?Session log wasn't open > >I am thinking that some environment/configuration variable for C- >Kermit has not been setup properly. Either that, or nothing is being >written to this log. What do I need to check and do to try to resolve >this problem? Apparently, the sript driving the session has a 'close session-log' command that is preeeded by a 'log session' command. From Maalobs_member@newsguy.com Wed Oct 31 16:16:25 2007 Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews.google.com!news3.google.com!out04a.usenetserver.com!news.usenetserver.com!in01.usenetserver.com!news.usenetserver.com!spln!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!drn From: Maalobs Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Uploading files with FTP to MVS data sets Date: 29 Oct 2007 03:55:46 -0700 Organization: NewsGuy - Unlimited Usenet $19.95 Lines: 62 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: p9302000000100648d3fdd6969990686566c1db5c32a21259.newsdawg.com User-Agent: Direct Read News 4.70 Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15697 Hello there, I'm trying to upload a file to an IBM MVS mainframe using K-95 V2.1.2, where the file is stored as a "data set". The full name of the data set (and hence, the file), is something like this: D123.XXXXXX.YYYYYY.20071029.1 The little I understand of these data sets, is that the '.' characters denote the equivalent of directory levels. I log in with FTP, nothing special is reported: ---8<--- [C:\] K-95> ftp ftp.mvsserver.com Connected to ftp.mvsserver.com. D610TES is logged on. Working directory is "D123.". Switching Locus to REMOTE for file management commands such as CD, DIRECTORY, DELETE, RENAME. Type HELP SET LOCUS at the K-95> prompt for further info. Use the SET LOCUS command to disable automatic locus switching or to disable these queries. OK to switch Locus?y Restart requires Block or Compressed transfer mode. Remote system type is MVS. Default transfer mode is TEXT ("ASCII") [C:\] K-95> ---8<--- After that, I just run the put command to upload the file: ---8<--- [C:\] K-95> put D123.XXXXXX.YYYYYY.20071029.1 Kermit 95 2.1.2, 25 Nov 2002, pc [192.168.1.10] Current Directory: C:/ Network Host: ftp.mvsserver.com Network Type: TCP/IP Parity: none RTT/Timeout: 00 / 00 FTP PUT: => D123_XXXXXX_YYYYYY_20071029.1 File Type: TEXT (no translation) File Size: 4425 Percent Done: FTP Protocol: ...10...20...30...40...50...60...70...80...90..100 Elapsed Time: 00:00:00 Transfer Rate, CPS: 0 Window Slots: N/A Packet Type: N/A I/O Count: 0 I/O Length: 0 Error Count: 0 Last Error: Last Message: Invalid data set name "D123_XXXXXX_YYYYYY_20071029.1". Use MVS Dsname conventions. [C:\] K-95> ---8<--- Why are the first '.' characters in the filename converted to '_'? If that is the root problem here, then how do I tell Kermit not to change the filename? If anyone has an idea how to solve this, I would gladly hear your suggestions. :) From Maalobs_member@newsguy.com Wed Oct 31 16:16:57 2007 Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews.google.com!news3.google.com!out02b.usenetserver.com!news.usenetserver.com!in01.usenetserver.com!news.usenetserver.com!spln!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!drn From: Maalobs Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Uploading files with FTP to MVS data sets Date: 29 Oct 2007 09:23:11 -0700 Organization: NewsGuy - Unlimited Usenet $19.95 Lines: 28 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: p9302000000100648d3fdd6969990686566c1db5c32a21259.newsdawg.com User-Agent: Direct Read News 4.70 Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15698 In article , Maalobs says... > I'm trying to upload a file to an IBM MVS mainframe using > K-95 V2.1.2, where the file is stored as a "data set". > The full name of the data set (and hence, the file), is > something like this: > D123.XXXXXX.YYYYYY.20071029.1 > The little I understand of these data sets, is that the '.' > characters denote the equivalent of directory levels. I think I figured out a part of the problem myself. I learned that the filename is illegal if a digit appears directly after a '.'. So I changed the filename to this: D123.XXXXXX.YYYYYY.D071029.A1 And in fact, the home directory I arrive at when I login, is 'D123.', so the name I must use is: XXXXXX.YYYYYY.D071029.A1 With that knowledge I run 'put XXXXXX.YYYYYY.D071029.A1' in K95, but I still get this error: Invalid data set name "XXXXXX_YYYYYY_D071029.A1". Use MVS Dsname conventions. Using this last method works with MS ftp.exe in Windows, but not with K95. Why does K95 insist on changing the filename? From nospam@killspam.org Wed Oct 31 16:21:36 2007 Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed-00.mathworks.com!kanaga.switch.ch!switch.ch!news-fra1.dfn.de!feeder.erje.net!feeder.z74.net!news.z74.net!sn-xt-ams-06!sn-xt-ams-10!sn-xt-ams-03!sn-post-ams-02!sn-post-sjc-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "NoSpam" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: cccpolicy Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 08:45:34 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: <13igu7db3bhqk65@corp.supernews.com> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Original X-Complaints-To: abuse@supernews.com Lines: 9 Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15699 trying to connect to a CE Enterprise server, successfully authenticate, but can't get the data channel built properly. I believe the issue may be related to 'cccpolicy', but have been unable to figure out how to tell ckermit or k95 how to set this param. TIA. From fdc@panix.com Wed Oct 31 16:26:26 2007 Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!not-for-mail From: Frank Da Cruz Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Uploading files with FTP to MVS data sets Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 20:19:50 +0000 (UTC) Organization: PANIX Public Access Internet and UNIX, NYC Lines: 42 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: fdc@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: panix2.panix.com X-Trace: reader1.panix.com 1193861990 12491 166.84.1.2 (31 Oct 2007 20:19:50 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@panix.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 20:19:50 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0 (NetBSD) Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15700 On 2007-10-29, Maalobs wrote: : In article , Maalobs says... : :> I'm trying to upload a file to an IBM MVS mainframe using :> K-95 V2.1.2, where the file is stored as a "data set". :> The full name of the data set (and hence, the file), is :> something like this: :> D123.XXXXXX.YYYYYY.20071029.1 : :> The little I understand of these data sets, is that the '.' :> characters denote the equivalent of directory levels. : : I think I figured out a part of the problem myself. I learned that the : filename is illegal if a digit appears directly after a '.'. : : So I changed the filename to this: : D123.XXXXXX.YYYYYY.D071029.A1 : : And in fact, the home directory I arrive at when I login, is 'D123.', so the : name I must use is: : XXXXXX.YYYYYY.D071029.A1 : : With that knowledge I run 'put XXXXXX.YYYYYY.D071029.A1' in K95, but I still : get this error: Invalid data set name "XXXXXX_YYYYYY_D071029.A1". Use MVS : Dsname conventions. : : Using this last method works with MS ftp.exe in Windows, but not with K95. : : Why does K95 insist on changing the filename? : Because on many operating systems, filenames containing multiple dots (periods) are illegal. To get around this use: ftp put /filenames:literal D123.XXXXXX.YYYYYY.20071029.1 or: ftp mput /filenames:literal - Frank From fdc@panix.com Wed Oct 31 16:26:30 2007 Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!not-for-mail From: Frank da Cruz Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: cccpolicy Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 20:26:15 +0000 (UTC) Organization: PANIX Public Access Internet and UNIX, NYC Lines: 22 Message-ID: References: <13igu7db3bhqk65@corp.supernews.com> Reply-To: fdc@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: panix2.panix.com X-Trace: reader1.panix.com 1193862375 12491 166.84.1.2 (31 Oct 2007 20:26:15 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@panix.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 20:26:15 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0 (NetBSD) Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15701 On 2007-10-31, NoSpam wrote: : trying to connect to a CE Enterprise server, successfully authenticate, but : can't get the data channel built properly. : : I believe the issue may be related to 'cccpolicy', but have been unable to : figure out how to tell ckermit or k95 how to set this param. : Are we talking about Kerberized FTP? See: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/security70.html Search for "ccc". If you're asking about something else, probably the answer is in here somewhere: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/security.html If not, please be more specific about the type of connection and protocol involved. - Frank From Maalobs_member@newsguy.com Fri Nov 2 14:00:29 2007 Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.stanford.edu!headwall.stanford.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!spln!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!drn From: Maalobs Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Uploading files with FTP to MVS data sets Date: 31 Oct 2007 13:53:13 -0700 Organization: NewsGuy - Unlimited Usenet $19.95 Lines: 30 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: p9302000000100648d3fdd6969990686566c1db5c32a21259.newsdawg.com User-Agent: Direct Read News 4.70 Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15702 In article , Frank Da Cruz says... >: With that knowledge I run 'put XXXXXX.YYYYYY.D071029.A1' in K95, >: but I still get this error: >: Invalid data set name "XXXXXX_YYYYYY_D071029.A1". Use MVS Dsname >: conventions. >: Using this last method works with MS ftp.exe in Windows, but not with K95. >: Why does K95 insist on changing the filename? > Because on many operating systems, filenames containing multiple > dots (periods) are illegal. > To get around this use: > ftp put /filenames:literal D123.XXXXXX.YYYYYY.20071029.1 > or: > ftp mput /filenames:literal Yes, that worked like a charm. :) Thanks for your help! With kind regards, Maalobs From 2damn@nospam.com Wed Dec 12 14:08:09 2007 Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.stanford.edu!headwall.stanford.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!newscon04.news.prodigy.net!prodigy.net!newsdst01.news.prodigy.net!prodigy.com!postmaster.news.prodigy.com!newssvr29.news.prodigy.net.POSTED!cb3c0661!not-for-mail From: 2damn <2damn@nospam.com> Subject: Re: Screen Capture Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc References: User-Agent: Pan/0.129 (Benson & Hedges Moscow Gold) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Lines: 22 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 69.106.189.163 X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net X-Trace: newssvr29.news.prodigy.net 1197431413 ST000 69.106.189.163 (Tue, 11 Dec 2007 22:50:13 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 22:50:13 EST Organization: SBC http://yahoo.sbc.com X-UserInfo1: FKPGWY_DFJWURQPXJBNT_Q@BRJ^NQUHOPHWN_AUM]XMTWA]EPUUEAE[YETZPIWWI[FCIZA^NBFXZ_D[BFNTCNVPDTNTKHWXKB@X^B_OCJLPZ@ET_O[G\XSG@E\G[ZKVLBL^CJINM@I_KVIOR\T_M_AW_M[_BWU_HFA_]@A_A^SGFAUDE_DFTMQPFWVW[QPJN Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 03:50:13 GMT Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15713 On Wed, 05 Dec 2007 17:50:19 +0000, John Santos wrote: > I take it you want to "screen scrape" the VT520? If I am using the correct terms, yes. > Does the 520 have a "print screen" feature? (Most/all of the earlier VT > series terminals did.) If so, you could direct the "print screen" to > the terminal's printer port, and connect the printer port via a null > modem cable to a computer, for example to a spare serial port on your > Debian Unix system. Run a suitable serial-port application that is > capturing input on the 2nd serial port (say, for example, C-Kermit), and > press the "print" key (probably F2) on the VT520 keyboard, or send the > VT520 the escape sequence to invoke the "print screen" function. The > screen contents should show up in the 2nd instance of Kermit's log file > as 24 lines of 80 characters (or whatever size you've got the VT520 set > to), just as if it was sent to a real serial printer. I hope to capture screen data from a kermit script without manually pressing a key. Thank you for your response. I am still trying to find something that works. See my reply above for my current attempts. From 2damn@nospam.com Wed Dec 12 14:08:50 2007 Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!news.linkpendium.com!news.linkpendium.com!newscon04.news.prodigy.net!prodigy.net!newsdst01.news.prodigy.net!prodigy.com!postmaster.news.prodigy.com!newssvr29.news.prodigy.net.POSTED!cb3c0661!not-for-mail From: 2damn <2damn@nospam.com> Subject: Re: Screen Capture Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc References: <13l6v29jqcmhl2e@corp.supernews.com> User-Agent: Pan/0.129 (Benson & Hedges Moscow Gold) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Lines: 25 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 69.106.189.163 X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net X-Trace: newssvr29.news.prodigy.net 1197432140 ST000 69.106.189.163 (Tue, 11 Dec 2007 23:02:20 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 23:02:20 EST Organization: SBC http://yahoo.sbc.com X-UserInfo1: FKPGWY_DFJWURQPXJBNT_Q@BRJ^NQUHOPHWN_AUM]XMTWA]EPUUEAE[YETZPIWWI[FCIZA^NBFXZ_D[BFNTCNVPDTNTKHWXKB@X^B_OCJLPZ@ET_O[G\XSG@E\G[ZKVLBL^CJINM@I_KVIOR\T_M_AW_M[_BWU_HFA_]@A_A^SGFAUDE_DFTMQPFWVW[QPJN Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 04:02:20 GMT Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15714 On Mon, 03 Dec 2007 03:47:21 +0000, Robert Bonomi wrote: > In article , 2damn > <2damn@nospam.com> wrote: > Kermit has the 'log' command that will provide various kinds of gory > detail to a file. 'log session' before a 'connect' command, and you wil > capture all the interactive stuff you do, and which you can use to > built a script from. > > > This approach fails if the remote system thinks its talking to something > where it can play cursor-positioning and selective over-write games. > > If you can tell the remote computer that you're using some kind of a > 'dumb' hard-copy terminal this issue is moot. > > Else, screen-scraping gets *VERY* complex. I tried "log" and it does contain communication data that is not useful for me. And some bits are total garbage so there may be some of what you mention in your second paragraph going on. I have found that "cat /dev/vcsX" can copy ttyX, but of course not my ttySX. I can format the capture with newlines (dd) and trim what I want (sed). Attempting to get it to work on the serial lines. From fdc@panix.com Wed Dec 12 14:24:25 2007 Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!not-for-mail From: Frank da Cruz Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Screen Capture Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 19:24:19 +0000 (UTC) Organization: PANIX Public Access Internet and UNIX, NYC Lines: 50 Message-ID: References: <13l6v29jqcmhl2e@corp.supernews.com> Reply-To: fdc@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: panix2.panix.com X-Trace: reader1.panix.com 1197487459 140 166.84.1.2 (12 Dec 2007 19:24:19 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@panix.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 19:24:19 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0 (NetBSD) Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15715 On 2007-12-12, 2damn <2damn@nospam.com> wrote: : On Mon, 03 Dec 2007 03:47:21 +0000, Robert Bonomi wrote: :> In article , 2damn :> <2damn@nospam.com> wrote: :> Kermit has the 'log' command that will provide various kinds of gory :> detail to a file. 'log session' before a 'connect' command, and you wil :> capture all the interactive stuff you do, and which you can use to :> built a script from. :> :> This approach fails if the remote system thinks its talking to something :> where it can play cursor-positioning and selective over-write games. :> :> If you can tell the remote computer that you're using some kind of a :> 'dumb' hard-copy terminal this issue is moot. :> :> Else, screen-scraping gets *VERY* complex. : : I tried "log" and it does contain communication data that is not useful : for me. And some bits are total garbage so there may be some of what you : mention in your second paragraph going on. : The garbage is mostly likely escape sequences and control characters from the host application. : I have found that "cat /dev/vcsX" can copy ttyX, but of course not my : ttySX. : That would be the same as Kermit's session log -- it's just a copy of the incoming data stream. : I can format the capture with newlines (dd) and trim what I want : (sed). Attempting to get it to work on the serial lines. : As explained here: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckfaq.html#term C-Kermit (unlike Kermit 95 on Windows) is not a terminal emulator; it's a communications pipe between the remote system and your terminal window or console driver, the latter being the component that handles the terminal emulation. If your terminal emulation is ANSI-compliant (such as VT100, VT220, etc), we have a utility for stripping escape sequences from session logs: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ftp/utils/rmescseq.c It doesn't interpret the escape sequences, it just removes them. - Frank From bonomi@host122.r-bonomi.com Fri Dec 14 12:39:43 2007 Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xt-sjc-02!sn-xt-sjc-09!sn-post-sjc-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: bonomi@host122.r-bonomi.com (Robert Bonomi) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Screen Capture Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 23:25:04 -0000 Organization: Widgets, Inc. Message-ID: <13m3fqgakmrkc05@corp.supernews.com> References: <13l6v29jqcmhl2e@corp.supernews.com> X-Newsreader: trn 4.0-test76 (Apr 2, 2001) Originator: bonomi@host122.r-bonomi.com (Robert Bonomi) X-Complaints-To: abuse@supernews.com Lines: 62 Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15716 In article , 2damn <2damn@nospam.com> wrote: >On Mon, 03 Dec 2007 03:47:21 +0000, Robert Bonomi wrote: > >> In article , 2damn >> <2damn@nospam.com> wrote: >> Kermit has the 'log' command that will provide various kinds of gory >> detail to a file. 'log session' before a 'connect' command, and you wil >> capture all the interactive stuff you do, and which you can use to >> built a script from. >> >> >> This approach fails if the remote system thinks its talking to something >> where it can play cursor-positioning and selective over-write games. >> >> If you can tell the remote computer that you're using some kind of a >> 'dumb' hard-copy terminal this issue is moot. >> >> Else, screen-scraping gets *VERY* complex. > >I tried "log" and it does contain communication data that is not useful >for me. And some bits are total garbage so there may be some of what you >mention in your second paragraph going on. > >I have found that "cat /dev/vcsX" can copy ttyX, but of course not my >ttySX. I can format the capture with newlines (dd) and trim what I want >(sed). Attempting to get it to work on the serial lines. OK, bluntly, given your descriptions, _you_ cannot get C-Kermit to do that which you want to happen. Building application-specific 'screen-scraping' logic in Kermit macro-language *is* possible, but *very* _painful_, and works only for the exact screen form for which it was coded. If _anything_ changes regarding how the remote machine generates the screen, the macro programming requires major reworking. Developing such macros requires an *intimate*knowledge* of what the remote machine is doing, and what kind of device it 'thinks' it is talking to, *AND* the gory details of the formatting/addressing protocol(s) being used. And if the remote machine's concept of the terminal device can be changed or not. Also, if it can be changed, what are _all_ the possible alternatives. As you apparently lack this essential information about the environment you are trying to work in, and don't have the experience to simply 'recognize on sight' the protocol data in what you have described as the 'total garbage', you do not have the required skill-set to build the solution you need. (This _is_ "specialist" knowledge/skills -- unless you routinely do work involving 'faking a terminal', it's not surprising that you don't know these things -- they're *not* part of the 'general skills'. ) Your best bet is to hire a knowledgeable professional -- one _with_ expertise in 'serial port communications' -- for (A) a consultation on 'what is going on' in your specific situation, (B) 'what is practical' as regards EXACTLY what you are trying to accomplish, and then, possibly (C) development of custom software -- probably not based on Kermit -- to solve your problem. Feel free to e-mail me directly with further questions. Please start the subject line with 'KERMIT', so I'll see it. From 2damn@nospam.com Fri Dec 14 12:40:12 2007 Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.stanford.edu!headwall.stanford.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!newscon04.news.prodigy.net!prodigy.net!newsdst01.news.prodigy.net!prodigy.com!postmaster.news.prodigy.com!nlpi070.nbdc.sbc.com.POSTED!cb3c0661!not-for-mail From: 2damn <2damn@nospam.com> Subject: Re: Screen Capture Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc References: <13l6v29jqcmhl2e@corp.supernews.com> <13m3fqgakmrkc05@corp.supernews.com> User-Agent: Pan/0.129 (Benson & Hedges Moscow Gold) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Lines: 21 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 69.230.27.24 X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net X-Trace: nlpi070.nbdc.sbc.com 1197603639 ST000 69.230.27.24 (Thu, 13 Dec 2007 22:40:39 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 22:40:39 EST Organization: AT&T http://yahoo.sbc.com X-UserInfo1: Q[R_PJSCTS@MBQD[KZKZOQD@AJ^X@OTMJPQFMMAOKH_ZW@IDDU]CS[GTE\]^HRWI[FCWJF^NB^[D_DSBR^RC^QPFTFUCYRDIH@\FCQKBITUT@EP_[CAFHTC@GLDKZHBMGDXCJINMCA\]GG[RH\^MOM[\BK[NVPWKYAYIPOG@SK@ZA]DE[\AP]_DFU^T]A\VM Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 03:40:39 GMT Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15717 I reply without quoting your whole response. Your assessment is right on target. My current self made project is to use kermit to automate some tasks on serial connections to a company system. Just to speed things up and save some carpal tunnel. I do not have and will not have any sort of administrator rights on the company system. I am just trying to have the kermit input and output commands run repetitive tasks. The problem is there are many exceptions to default scenarios and I think kermit can deal with them. I am having success with some aspects so far. Screen capture would be great to add. I am not a professional programmer or serial communications expert by any means. I will kick the dead mule a while longer. :) From fdc@panix.com Fri Dec 14 12:49:57 2007 Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!not-for-mail From: Frank da Cruz Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Screen Capture Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 17:49:47 +0000 (UTC) Organization: PANIX Public Access Internet and UNIX, NYC Lines: 41 Message-ID: References: <13l6v29jqcmhl2e@corp.supernews.com> <13m3fqgakmrkc05@corp.supernews.com> Reply-To: fdc@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: panix3.panix.com X-Trace: reader1.panix.com 1197654587 26094 166.84.1.3 (14 Dec 2007 17:49:47 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@panix.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 17:49:47 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0 (NetBSD) Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15718 On 2007-12-14, 2damn <2damn@nospam.com> wrote: : My current self made project is to use kermit to automate some tasks on : serial connections to a company system. Just to speed things up and save : some carpal tunnel. I do not have and will not have any sort of : administrator rights on the company system. I am just trying to have the : kermit input and output commands run repetitive tasks. The problem is : there are many exceptions to default scenarios and I think kermit can : deal with them. : C-Kermit can handle text-mode dialogs just fine, and for that matter also menu-driven dialogs, if you can do this without specific reference to screen positions and coordinates. For example, the host application paints a manu and at the bottom it prints "Choice?" and the user is supposed to enter the number (or whatever) of the desired menu item. Well, if "Choice?" is the last thing that the host sends (which is something you can tell from a session log), then: clear input input 10 Choice? if failure (do something) output 3\13 is all you need for waiting for the menu to paint itself (assuming it does so within 10 seconds) and to choose menu item number 3. On the other hand, if you really need to reference specific screen coordinates or the contents of specifi screen fields , you can do this with Kermit 95 on Windows because, unlike C-Kermit, in incorporates its own terminal emulator and knows what is on the screen and where. Perhaps if you describe a typical session of the type you want to automate, I can show you how to do it. Meanwhile, take a look at the brief Kermit scripting tutorial here: http://kermit.columbia.edu/ckscripts.html and the many sample scripts that are included in the script library, listed on the same page. - Frank From john.santos@post.harvard.edu Mon Dec 17 11:41:20 2007 Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed-00.mathworks.com!newscon02.news.prodigy.net!prodigy.net!wns14feed!worldnet.att.net!199.45.49.37!cyclone1.gnilink.net!spamkiller.gnilink.net!gnilink.net!trnddc07.POSTED!60760995!not-for-mail From: John Santos Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Screen Capture Message-ID: References: Reply-To: john.santos@post.harvard.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: MicroPlanet-Gravity/2.60.2060 Lines: 33 Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 07:48:12 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 71.174.120.246 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verizon.net X-Trace: trnddc07 1197791292 71.174.120.246 (Sun, 16 Dec 2007 02:48:12 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 02:48:12 EST Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15719 In article , 2damn@nospam.com says... > On Wed, 05 Dec 2007 17:50:19 +0000, John Santos wrote: > > > I take it you want to "screen scrape" the VT520? > > If I am using the correct terms, yes. > > > Does the 520 have a "print screen" feature? (Most/all of the earlier VT > > series terminals did.) If so, you could direct the "print screen" to > > the terminal's printer port, and connect the printer port via a null > > modem cable to a computer, for example to a spare serial port on your > > Debian Unix system. Run a suitable serial-port application that is > > capturing input on the 2nd serial port (say, for example, C-Kermit), and > > press the "print" key (probably F2) on the VT520 keyboard, or send the > > VT520 the escape sequence to invoke the "print screen" function. The > > screen contents should show up in the 2nd instance of Kermit's log file > > as 24 lines of 80 characters (or whatever size you've got the VT520 set > > to), just as if it was sent to a real serial printer. > > I hope to capture screen data from a kermit script without manually > pressing a key. Thank you for your response. I am still trying to find > something that works. See my reply above for my current attempts. I believe there is an escape sequence that can be sent to the terminal to do the same thing as pressing the "print screen" key. I didn't want to complicate the original post by going into that. If your program knows when to screen scrape, it can send the sequence at the appropriate time. If the program doesn't know when to do it, and the user has to press a key. Otherwise, how do you expect it to happen? -- John From 2damn@nospam.com Mon Dec 17 11:41:47 2007 Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.stanford.edu!headwall.stanford.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!newscon04.news.prodigy.net!prodigy.net!newsdst01.news.prodigy.net!prodigy.com!postmaster.news.prodigy.com!newssvr14.news.prodigy.net.POSTED!cb3c0661!not-for-mail From: 2damn <2damn@nospam.com> Subject: Re: Screen Capture Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc References: User-Agent: Pan/0.129 (Benson & Hedges Moscow Gold) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Lines: 12 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.127.120.160 X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net X-Trace: newssvr14.news.prodigy.net 1197856141 ST000 68.127.120.160 (Sun, 16 Dec 2007 20:49:01 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 20:49:01 EST Organization: SBC http://yahoo.sbc.com X-UserInfo1: Q[R_PJSCOXUOR_\YMZHXOTDB]R_LAFHLVP\FNLUL@@\FWOUNDO_AR\J[WDXJHVKHGFFIZHBL@FX\NIOC@FWYNV\DMNS[HTLIXX\^BUGBXLR@PB@\FKCLXSWAIDFOKG^MFT[GZN^NWY_GVLSRGDYY^AW_MS_RW][KBYZMADO@Y[ABPSPE_TA@LTLFXVTC@RJM Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 01:49:01 GMT Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15721 On Sun, 16 Dec 2007 07:48:12 +0000, John Santos wrote: > I believe there is an escape sequence that can be sent to the terminal > to do the same thing as pressing the "print screen" key. I didn't want > to complicate the original post by going into that. If your program > knows when to screen scrape, it can send the sequence at the appropriate > time. If the program doesn't know when to do it, and the user has to > press a key. Otherwise, how do you expect it to happen? This is a great suggestion I had not really considered. I will try it out this week. From fdc@panix.com Mon Dec 17 11:46:04 2007 Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!not-for-mail From: Frank da Cruz Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Screen Capture Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 16:45:50 +0000 (UTC) Organization: PANIX Public Access Internet and UNIX, NYC Lines: 17 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: fdc@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: panix2.panix.com X-Trace: reader1.panix.com 1197909950 3509 166.84.1.2 (17 Dec 2007 16:45:50 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@panix.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 16:45:50 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0 (NetBSD) Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15722 On 2007-12-17, 2damn <2damn@nospam.com> wrote: : On Sun, 16 Dec 2007 07:48:12 +0000, John Santos wrote: :> I believe there is an escape sequence that can be sent to the terminal :> to do the same thing as pressing the "print screen" key. I didn't want :> to complicate the original post by going into that. If your program :> knows when to screen scrape, it can send the sequence at the appropriate :> time. If the program doesn't know when to do it, and the user has to :> press a key. Otherwise, how do you expect it to happen? : : This is a great suggestion I had not really considered. I will try it out : this week. : C-Kermit supports this; see: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckermit70.html#x3.3 - Frank From 2damn@nospam.com Thu Dec 20 16:24:41 2007 Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.stanford.edu!headwall.stanford.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!newscon04.news.prodigy.net!prodigy.net!newsdst01.news.prodigy.net!prodigy.com!postmaster.news.prodigy.com!nlpi061.nbdc.sbc.com.POSTED!cb3c0661!not-for-mail From: 2damn <2damn@nospam.com> Subject: Re: Screen Capture Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc References: <13l6v29jqcmhl2e@corp.supernews.com> <13m3fqgakmrkc05@corp.supernews.com> User-Agent: Pan/0.129 (Benson & Hedges Moscow Gold) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Lines: 44 Message-ID: <80oaj.374$6%.86@nlpi061.nbdc.sbc.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.127.126.86 X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net X-Trace: nlpi061.nbdc.sbc.com 1198132356 ST000 68.127.126.86 (Thu, 20 Dec 2007 01:32:36 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 01:32:36 EST Organization: AT&T http://yahoo.sbc.com X-UserInfo1: T[OMBYKGPZVMBQXYZBIZ_\H@]JYFRM@OMPUT_FMNJZ]BGIELNVUEAE[YETZPIWWI[FCIZA^NBFXZ_D[BFNTCNVPDTNTKHWXKB@X^B_OCJLPZ@ET_O[G\XSG@E\G[ZKVLBL^CJINM@I_KVIOR\T_M_AW_M[_BWU_HFA_]@A_A^SGFAUDE_DFTMQPFWVW[QPJN Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 06:32:36 GMT Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15724 On Fri, 14 Dec 2007 17:49:47 +0000, Frank da Cruz wrote: > C-Kermit can handle text-mode dialogs just fine, and for that matter > also menu-driven dialogs, if you can do this without specific reference > to screen positions and coordinates. For example, the host application > paints a manu and at the bottom it prints "Choice?" and the user is > supposed to enter the number (or whatever) of the desired menu item. > Well, if "Choice?" is the last thing that the host sends (which is > something you can tell from a session log), then: > > clear input > input 10 Choice? > if failure (do something) > output 3\13 I have the input, if failure, output routine going okay. I am currently using a generic FAIL message and will add better notices where needed. The trouble is that each feature is not exactally the same at all times. As I said I think kermit can deal with this. At the very least, well enough to send unsolvable items to an error report. > On the other hand, if you really need to reference specific screen > coordinates or the contents of specifi screen fields , you can do this > with Kermit 95 on Windows because, unlike C-Kermit, in incorporates its > own terminal emulator and knows what is on the screen and where. The system accepts commands just fine so long as I can compensate for some differences. The issue with garbled feedback applies only to "screen grabs". Using the kermit session record some "screens" just have "interuptions" with serial communication data and some seem completely broken and unrecognizable. I think the kermit session logging is not the way for me to correctly capture the feedback from the system. The ability to "screen grab" is very secondary to kermit being useful for my project. This week I have individual items running through 2 processes from a list thanks to the online kermit documentation. Adding an option for a third process and a useable kermit or bash menu will bring it up to snuff as a beta usable to others. Thanks for all the info so far. From fdc@panix.com Thu Dec 20 16:44:53 2007 Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!not-for-mail From: Frank da Cruz Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Screen Capture Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 21:44:43 +0000 (UTC) Organization: PANIX Public Access Internet and UNIX, NYC Lines: 58 Message-ID: References: <13l6v29jqcmhl2e@corp.supernews.com> <13m3fqgakmrkc05@corp.supernews.com> <80oaj.374$6%.86@nlpi061.nbdc.sbc.com> Reply-To: fdc@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: panix2.panix.com X-Trace: reader1.panix.com 1198187083 9750 166.84.1.2 (20 Dec 2007 21:44:43 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@panix.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 21:44:43 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0 (NetBSD) Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15725 On 2007-12-20, 2damn <2damn@nospam.com> wrote: : On Fri, 14 Dec 2007 17:49:47 +0000, Frank da Cruz wrote: :> C-Kermit can handle text-mode dialogs just fine, and for that matter :> also menu-driven dialogs, if you can do this without specific reference :> to screen positions and coordinates. For example, the host application :> paints a manu and at the bottom it prints "Choice?" and the user is :> supposed to enter the number (or whatever) of the desired menu item. :> Well, if "Choice?" is the last thing that the host sends (which is :> something you can tell from a session log), then: :> :> clear input :> input 10 Choice? :> if failure (do something) :> output 3\13 : : I have the input, if failure, output routine going okay. I am currently : using a generic FAIL message and will add better notices where needed. : : The trouble is that each feature is not exactally the same at all times. : As I said I think kermit can deal with this. At the very least, well : enough to send unsolvable items to an error report. : ... : The system accepts commands just fine so long as I can compensate for : some differences. The issue with garbled feedback applies only to "screen : grabs". Using the kermit session record some "screens" just have : "interuptions" with serial communication data and some seem completely : broken and unrecognizable. I think the kermit session logging is not the : way for me to correctly capture the feedback from the system. : Session logging has nothing to do with scripting. If your script is supposed to be interacting with a remote menu or whatever, then the script uses INPUT to read incoming material and reacts to it with OUTPUT. But any form of scripting relies on the messages, prompts, menus, etc, being received intact. If you can't predict what is going to come, how can you reasonably write a script to react to it? If you have a network connection, there should be no garbling because network protocols take care of error correction and flow control. If you have a serial port or modem and you're getting garbage, you need to fix the garbage. If it's a modem, you need to be using an error-detecting and -correcting protocol between the two modems, and then (mode or direct connection) you need to have the most effective possible form of flow control enabled, which normally would be RTS/CTS (a.k.a. "hardware flow control"). : This week I have individual items running through 2 processes from a list : thanks to the online kermit documentation. Adding an option for a third : process and a useable kermit or bash menu will bring it up to snuff as a : beta usable to others. : : Thanks for all the info so far. : Sure. And remember, the more specifics you give about your connection, the behavior of the applicaiton you're scripting, etc, the better we can help you. - Frank From 2damn@nospam.com Thu Dec 20 16:24:41 2007 Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.stanford.edu!headwall.stanford.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!newscon04.news.prodigy.net!prodigy.net!newsdst01.news.prodigy.net!prodigy.com!postmaster.news.prodigy.com!nlpi061.nbdc.sbc.com.POSTED!cb3c0661!not-for-mail From: 2damn <2damn@nospam.com> Subject: Re: Screen Capture Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc References: <13l6v29jqcmhl2e@corp.supernews.com> <13m3fqgakmrkc05@corp.supernews.com> User-Agent: Pan/0.129 (Benson & Hedges Moscow Gold) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Lines: 44 Message-ID: <80oaj.374$6%.86@nlpi061.nbdc.sbc.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.127.126.86 X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net X-Trace: nlpi061.nbdc.sbc.com 1198132356 ST000 68.127.126.86 (Thu, 20 Dec 2007 01:32:36 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 01:32:36 EST Organization: AT&T http://yahoo.sbc.com X-UserInfo1: T[OMBYKGPZVMBQXYZBIZ_\H@]JYFRM@OMPUT_FMNJZ]BGIELNVUEAE[YETZPIWWI[FCIZA^NBFXZ_D[BFNTCNVPDTNTKHWXKB@X^B_OCJLPZ@ET_O[G\XSG@E\G[ZKVLBL^CJINM@I_KVIOR\T_M_AW_M[_BWU_HFA_]@A_A^SGFAUDE_DFTMQPFWVW[QPJN Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 06:32:36 GMT Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15724 On Fri, 14 Dec 2007 17:49:47 +0000, Frank da Cruz wrote: > C-Kermit can handle text-mode dialogs just fine, and for that matter > also menu-driven dialogs, if you can do this without specific reference > to screen positions and coordinates. For example, the host application > paints a manu and at the bottom it prints "Choice?" and the user is > supposed to enter the number (or whatever) of the desired menu item. > Well, if "Choice?" is the last thing that the host sends (which is > something you can tell from a session log), then: > > clear input > input 10 Choice? > if failure (do something) > output 3\13 I have the input, if failure, output routine going okay. I am currently using a generic FAIL message and will add better notices where needed. The trouble is that each feature is not exactally the same at all times. As I said I think kermit can deal with this. At the very least, well enough to send unsolvable items to an error report. > On the other hand, if you really need to reference specific screen > coordinates or the contents of specifi screen fields , you can do this > with Kermit 95 on Windows because, unlike C-Kermit, in incorporates its > own terminal emulator and knows what is on the screen and where. The system accepts commands just fine so long as I can compensate for some differences. The issue with garbled feedback applies only to "screen grabs". Using the kermit session record some "screens" just have "interuptions" with serial communication data and some seem completely broken and unrecognizable. I think the kermit session logging is not the way for me to correctly capture the feedback from the system. The ability to "screen grab" is very secondary to kermit being useful for my project. This week I have individual items running through 2 processes from a list thanks to the online kermit documentation. Adding an option for a third process and a useable kermit or bash menu will bring it up to snuff as a beta usable to others. Thanks for all the info so far. From fdc@panix.com Thu Dec 20 16:44:53 2007 Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!not-for-mail From: Frank da Cruz Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Screen Capture Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 21:44:43 +0000 (UTC) Organization: PANIX Public Access Internet and UNIX, NYC Lines: 58 Message-ID: References: <13l6v29jqcmhl2e@corp.supernews.com> <13m3fqgakmrkc05@corp.supernews.com> <80oaj.374$6%.86@nlpi061.nbdc.sbc.com> Reply-To: fdc@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: panix2.panix.com X-Trace: reader1.panix.com 1198187083 9750 166.84.1.2 (20 Dec 2007 21:44:43 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@panix.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 21:44:43 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0 (NetBSD) Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15725 On 2007-12-20, 2damn <2damn@nospam.com> wrote: : On Fri, 14 Dec 2007 17:49:47 +0000, Frank da Cruz wrote: :> C-Kermit can handle text-mode dialogs just fine, and for that matter :> also menu-driven dialogs, if you can do this without specific reference :> to screen positions and coordinates. For example, the host application :> paints a manu and at the bottom it prints "Choice?" and the user is :> supposed to enter the number (or whatever) of the desired menu item. :> Well, if "Choice?" is the last thing that the host sends (which is :> something you can tell from a session log), then: :> :> clear input :> input 10 Choice? :> if failure (do something) :> output 3\13 : : I have the input, if failure, output routine going okay. I am currently : using a generic FAIL message and will add better notices where needed. : : The trouble is that each feature is not exactally the same at all times. : As I said I think kermit can deal with this. At the very least, well : enough to send unsolvable items to an error report. : ... : The system accepts commands just fine so long as I can compensate for : some differences. The issue with garbled feedback applies only to "screen : grabs". Using the kermit session record some "screens" just have : "interuptions" with serial communication data and some seem completely : broken and unrecognizable. I think the kermit session logging is not the : way for me to correctly capture the feedback from the system. : Session logging has nothing to do with scripting. If your script is supposed to be interacting with a remote menu or whatever, then the script uses INPUT to read incoming material and reacts to it with OUTPUT. But any form of scripting relies on the messages, prompts, menus, etc, being received intact. If you can't predict what is going to come, how can you reasonably write a script to react to it? If you have a network connection, there should be no garbling because network protocols take care of error correction and flow control. If you have a serial port or modem and you're getting garbage, you need to fix the garbage. If it's a modem, you need to be using an error-detecting and -correcting protocol between the two modems, and then (mode or direct connection) you need to have the most effective possible form of flow control enabled, which normally would be RTS/CTS (a.k.a. "hardware flow control"). : This week I have individual items running through 2 processes from a list : thanks to the online kermit documentation. Adding an option for a third : process and a useable kermit or bash menu will bring it up to snuff as a : beta usable to others. : : Thanks for all the info so far. : Sure. And remember, the more specifics you give about your connection, the behavior of the applicaiton you're scripting, etc, the better we can help you. - Frank From dold@61.usenet.us.com Wed Feb 6 16:30:15 2008 Path: reader2.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.stanford.edu!headwall.stanford.edu!newsfeed.news2me.com!nntp1.phx1.gblx.net!nntp.gblx.net!nntp.gblx.net!wasp.rahul.net!192.160.13.20.MISMATCH!rahul.net!azure.rahul.net!dold From: dold@61.usenet.us.com Newsgroups: alt.os.linux.redhat,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Serial Data Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 20:00:25 +0000 (UTC) Organization: "a2i network" Lines: 19 Message-ID: References: <7384b185-fa1a-4869-a6b7-f94e31f5289e@s13g2000prd.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: azure.rahul.net X-Trace: blue.rahul.net 1201896025 14459 192.160.13.38 (1 Feb 2008 20:00:25 GMT) X-Complaints-To: support@rahul.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 20:00:25 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: tin/1.6.2-20030910 ("Pabbay") (UNIX) (Linux/2.6.9-023stab040.1 (i686)) X-Comment: Encoded From: line allows replies that preserve original subject Xref: panix alt.os.linux.redhat:40967 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15732 jcluthe@gmail.com wrote: > I need to convert data that I'm getting via serial port to a .csv file > on the fly all day every day. Anyone know how to make this happen in > the simplest way possible? Can sed listen on a serial port? I > understand how sed works, but I have never really used it. I have > access to several different O/S's and lots of hardware, I prefer to do > this in RHEL5 to keep the cyber security folks happy.......We have a > satellite up2date server ...etc.etc. but I could run Fedora if needed. I used kermit to log serial data to a file constantly, switching log files every midnight. It could also stream to a pipe, so you could manipulate the data on the fly, if the built in scripting wasn't enough. It's probably on your Linux distro already. comp.protocols.kermit.misc http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck80.html -- Clarence A Dold - Hidden Valley Lake, CA, USA GPS: 38.8,-122.5 From junkmail@eracc.com Fri Mar 14 12:49:56 2008 Path: reader2.panix.com!panix!newsfeed-00.mathworks.com!kanaga.switch.ch!switch.ch!news-fra1.dfn.de!feeder.erje.net!news.motzarella.org!motzarella.org!not-for-mail From: ERACC Newsgroups: alt.os.linux.redhat,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Copy folders / data from older server Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 18:31:22 +0000 (UTC) Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 27 Message-ID: References: <571871c9-1cd0-4276-b0ce-2d44eabf9f2c@60g2000hsy.googlegroups.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: reader.motzarella.org U2FsdGVkX18/rh/9irS6vYELEYM6gQ807dnEYTuffj2xxqlJDlIMpWxGdRtIz249zeYIdZxFA4UX+LodkKDW1WKhIvBWeZMHANr8Fwgtqkv9LfNWAZaPtswmSzjYYwBexKvyDkQ7ffg= X-Complaints-To: Please send complaints to abuse@motzarella.org with full headers NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 18:31:22 +0000 (UTC) X-Auth-Sender: U2FsdGVkX1+1vHjRD+Sss1VAAF8pJzFGv86S/bUD3xA= Cancel-Lock: sha1:BGcC8iLbHoZa3mD9CELCkSJ5Ey8= User-Agent: M$ O and OE SUCK! Ok, anything from M$ sucks. Well, M$ vacuum cleaners do not suck. Xref: panix alt.os.linux.redhat:41018 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15734 On Fri, 29 Feb 2008 12:28:26 -0800, smlunatick wrote: > I need to transfer several folders, sub-folders and files from a failing > SCO server over to a new Red Hat server. Unfortunately, the DAT 72 > drive does not seem to like the older DAT 2 cartridge so reading off a > type "seems" to be out. I have tried with ftb but it does not seem to > create the folders "on the fly" as the files transfer. > > What can I look at? I would use c-kermit to do this. There are binaries and source for both systems available from The Kermit Project at Columbia University. http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ While c-kermit is "free" to download and use I recommend buying the manual for it as that is how the project supports itself. If you want to follow-up with folks that know more about c-kermit then subscribe to the comp.protocols.kermit.misc newsgroup. I have added that group to this reply. Gene (e-mail: gene \a\t eracc \d\o\t com) -- Mandriva Linux release 2007.1 (Official) for i586 Got Rute? http://www.anrdoezrs.net/email-2546588-42121?isbn=0130333514 ERA Computers & Consulting - http://www.eracc.com/ Preloaded PCs - eComStation, Linux, FreeBSD, OpenServer & UnixWare From dold@90.usenet.us.com Fri Mar 14 12:50:33 2008 Path: reader2.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news.kjsl.com!wasp.rahul.net!192.160.13.20.MISMATCH!rahul.net!azure.rahul.net!dold From: dold@90.usenet.us.com Newsgroups: alt.os.linux.redhat,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Copy folders / data from older server Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 16:58:34 +0000 (UTC) Organization: "a2i network" Lines: 9 Message-ID: References: <571871c9-1cd0-4276-b0ce-2d44eabf9f2c@60g2000hsy.googlegroups.com> <3df478c2-ca36-4944-b8e3-ef6fb1b51ebd@e23g2000prf.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: azure.rahul.net X-Trace: blue.rahul.net 1204563514 6601 192.160.13.38 (3 Mar 2008 16:58:34 GMT) X-Complaints-To: support@rahul.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 16:58:34 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: tin/1.6.2-20030910 ("Pabbay") (UNIX) (Linux/2.6.9-023stab040.1 (i686)) X-Comment: Encoded From: line allows replies that preserve original subject Xref: panix alt.os.linux.redhat:41022 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15736 In comp.protocols.kermit.misc smlunatick wrote: > Tried kermit but will not purchase the manual. This is a "one-shot" > deal so I will not ba using the kermit after this transfer. I used kermit to do full hierarchy copies from one Unix system to another every night for years. Maybe we misunderstand your need. -- Clarence A Dold - Hidden Valley Lake, CA, USA GPS: 38.8,-122.5 From junkmail@eracc.com Fri Mar 14 12:51:00 2008 Path: reader2.panix.com!panix!newsfeed-00.mathworks.com!kanaga.switch.ch!switch.ch!news-fra1.dfn.de!feeder.erje.net!news.motzarella.org!motzarella.org!not-for-mail From: ERACC Newsgroups: alt.os.linux.redhat,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Copy folders / data from older server Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 20:39:48 +0000 (UTC) Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 23 Message-ID: References: <571871c9-1cd0-4276-b0ce-2d44eabf9f2c@60g2000hsy.googlegroups.com> <3df478c2-ca36-4944-b8e3-ef6fb1b51ebd@e23g2000prf.googlegroups.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: reader.motzarella.org U2FsdGVkX18V+lLgjjxmsL9hrK2fZ7X/vIp1v6PYIcg4kTY7uqFVFIhFQ2DlpnUnfZZT8FWyvPsqazmBceuAmYQSIegzXHt+cvP1uL0Bdl9E8GKZ6Ag7b7OiInY0Sjga X-Complaints-To: Please send complaints to abuse@motzarella.org with full headers NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 20:39:48 +0000 (UTC) X-Auth-Sender: U2FsdGVkX1+D7HDSSvrLRTnGjhiSeL6bZ+dOTJopM8Y= Cancel-Lock: sha1:N4H+GKagtaK4fvDDef5If2QcB48= User-Agent: M$ O and OE SUCK! Ok, anything from M$ sucks. Well, M$ vacuum cleaners do not suck. Xref: panix alt.os.linux.redhat:41043 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15737 On Mon, 03 Mar 2008 08:27:40 -0800, smlunatick wrote: > On Fri, 29 Feb 2008 12:28:26 -0800, smlunatick wrote: > > I need to transfer several folders, sub-folders and files from a > > failing SCO server over to a new Red Hat server.  [...] [...] > Tried kermit but will not purchase the manual. This is a "one-shot" > deal so I will not ba using the kermit after this transfer. Kermit does > not do what I am looking for The c-kermit *I* use from Columbia University *will* copy entire trees from one system to another over any data connection I can make between them. Which one did *you* try? Did you even *try* the c-kermit software from Columbia University? Get it, load it up, type "help send" and "help get" then read all the options paying attention to "/RECURSIVE". If that will not do what you said you want then you misstated what you want. Gene (e-mail: gene \a\t eracc \d\o\t com) -- Mandriva Linux release 2007.1 (Official) for i586 Got Rute? http://www.anrdoezrs.net/email-2546588-42121?isbn=0130333514 ERA Computers & Consulting - http://www.eracc.com/ Preloaded PCs - eComStation, Linux, FreeBSD, OpenServer & UnixWare From PCPete@audiography.com.au Wed Apr 2 13:31:36 2008 Path: reader2.panix.com!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!newspump.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newspeer1.nac.net!border2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!news1.optus.net.au!optus!newsfeeder.syd.optusnet.com.au!news.optusnet.com.au!not-for-mail From: PC Pete Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Help with CPVGEN sources for TurboDOS system? Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 12:32:19 +1100 Message-ID: Organization: Audiography MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: MicroPlanet-Gravity/2.70.2067 Lines: 42 NNTP-Posting-Host: 122.107.177.239 X-Trace: 1207099940 11230 122.107.177.239 Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15739 G'day all, I'm trying desperately to rescue a terminally ill TurboDOS system. It has no working floppy controller, and the hard drive is spinning down for the last time! TurboDOS is an "extension" of CP/M 2.2 - it has most of the same BDOS calls, but also an extra set of T-calls for better I/O and so on. Most "standard" CP/M 2.2 applications (like KERMIT, XMODEM, etc) work perfectly, if inefficiently without modification. I've got L80 and M80, and all the usual editors (WS, etc), but while I can compile and link the asm sources for the system-independent code, I just can't get the linker to link the CPVGEN.HEX code in properly. By "properly", I mean it links in, but running the final COM file results in an immediate exit to the prompt with no messages or any other activity that I can see. Luckily, I also have Turbo Pascal 3.01, so I've been able to write a simple download/parse routine to get the source and hex files on to the system, so I might be able to build something myself - but that's going to take time that the system just doesn't have left. I tried to use the bootstrap routines, but because it's running TurboDOS, there is no SAVE.COM equivalent, so while I can use DDT to load and merge the hex sources (from the /a subdir on the kermit server), I can't run or save the merged file. I'm running out of options, and after 2 days spent trolling mail and news archives, I know the CPVGEN source used to be available, and I know that at least one person successfully compiled and ran Kermit 3.x on a TurboDOS system - so it's been done, but I can't for the life of me find any other reference to the asm sources. I've spent two or three hours disassembling the DDT'd hex file for CPVGEN, but of course that doesn't work properly once the instruction stream gets out of sync with the disassembled addresses. Any ideas, comments, or suggestions would be most welcome. Kind regards, PCPete PCPete at audiography dot com dot au From slash_dev_slash_null_2000@yahoo.com Wed Apr 2 13:32:23 2008 Path: reader2.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews.google.com!r9g2000prd.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: Mark Sapiro Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Help with CPVGEN sources for TurboDOS system? Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 20:04:52 -0700 (PDT) Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 19 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.183.193.239 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1207105492 27515 127.0.0.1 (2 Apr 2008 03:04:52 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 03:04:52 +0000 (UTC) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: r9g2000prd.googlegroups.com; posting-host=68.183.193.239; posting-account=wclt7goAAAC_K4WydXPXrO61H6DxgqEv User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.5) Gecko/20070321 Netscape/8.1.3,gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15740 On Apr 1, 6:32 pm, PC Pete wrote: > > I've got L80 and M80, and all the usual editors (WS, etc), but while I > can compile and link the asm sources for the system-independent code, I > just can't get the linker to link the CPVGEN.HEX code in properly. Normally, a .hex file is not something that needs to be linked. It is a hex representation of an executable (.com, whatever) file. > I tried to use the bootstrap routines, but because it's running > TurboDOS, there is no SAVE.COM equivalent, so while I can use DDT to > load and merge the hex sources (from the /a subdir on the kermit > server), I can't run or save the merged file. See ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/c/td* From PCPete@audiography.com.au Wed Apr 2 13:33:40 2008 Path: reader2.panix.com!panix!news.linkpendium.com!news.linkpendium.com!newspeer1.nac.net!border2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!news1.optus.net.au!optus!newsfeeder.syd.optusnet.com.au!news.optusnet.com.au!not-for-mail Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2008 17:23:04 +1100 From: PC Pete User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070815) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Help with CPVGEN sources for TurboDOS system? References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 57 Message-ID: <47f32648$0$16837$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: 122.107.177.239 X-Trace: 1207117385 16837 122.107.177.239 Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15741 Subject: Re: Help with CPVGEN sources for TurboDOS system? From: PC Pete In article , you say... > Normally, a .hex file is not something that needs to be linked. It is > a hex representation of an executable (.com, whatever) file. Yeah, and that's where I'm stuck - I can load the hex files using ddt, and even run them once, but there's a problem with the load addresses, and the run'd image prints up the kermit prompt and fails with hex data being "seen" as the commands. But that's closer than I've ever got yet... Here's what I see when I merge the compiled cpsker with the downloaded cpvgen: 0E}ddt cpsker.hex DDT VERS 2.2 NEXT PC 70AD 0127 -icpvgen.hex -r NEXT PC 73C8 0000 -g100 Kermit-80 v4.11 configured for Generic CP/M-80 with Generic (Dumb) CRT Terminal For help, type ? at any point in a command Kermit-80 0E:>0240D0A535061636B3A2024E0 ?Unrecognized command Kermit-80 0E:>:0000000000 ?Unrecognized command Kermit-80 0E:> Kermit-80 0E:>30240D0A5374617274696E6 ?Unrecognized command ?Not confirmed ?Not confirmed ?Not confirmed ...etc.... ?Not confirmed ?Not confirmed ?Not confirmed 0E} > > > See ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/c/td* > > Thanks for the reference, I'm about to reverse-hex the hex data and try it out... I'll try and update here shortly. I do appreciate you taking the time to forward the td reference, I couldn't find it in the sites I was looking on. Probably I didn't look long or hard enough! Cheers, PCP From fdc@panix.com Wed Apr 2 13:43:29 2008 Path: reader2.panix.com!panix!not-for-mail From: Frank da Cruz Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Help with CPVGEN sources for TurboDOS system? Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 17:43:20 +0000 (UTC) Organization: PANIX Public Access Internet and UNIX, NYC Lines: 30 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: fdc@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: panix3.panix.com X-Trace: reader2.panix.com 1207158200 7576 166.84.1.3 (2 Apr 2008 17:43:20 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@panix.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 17:43:20 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0 (NetBSD) Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15742 On 2008-04-02, PC Pete wrote: : G'day all, : : I'm trying desperately to rescue a terminally ill TurboDOS system. It : has no working floppy controller, and the hard drive is spinning down : for the last time! TurboDOS is an "extension" of CP/M 2.2 - it has most : of the same BDOS calls, but also an extra set of T-calls for better I/O : and so on. Most "standard" CP/M 2.2 applications (like KERMIT, XMODEM, : etc) work perfectly, if inefficiently without modification. : .... : : I'm running out of options, and after 2 days spent trolling mail and : news archives, I know the CPVGEN source used to be available, and I know : that at least one person successfully compiled and ran Kermit 3.x on a : TurboDOS system - so it's been done, but I can't for the life of me find : any other reference to the asm sources. : There is no CKVGEN.ASM. I apologize for the inadequate or misleading documentation, but I believe the thing to do is to edit CPXTYP.ASM and change the definition for one and only one of the system types (in this case "gener") from FALSE to TRUE. Or if TurboDOS is more like CP/M 3 than CP/M 2.2, do this for "cpm3" rather than "gener". And as Marc Sapiro noted (and I forgot until just now) there is also a binary for TurboDOS, available in both straight hex (not Intel hex) format and UUencoded. The hex is about 52K, so it should be "just" a question of getting it into your box in one piece somehow and dehexifying it. - Frank From PCPete@audiography.com.au Sat Apr 5 14:47:20 2008 Path: reader2.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews.google.com!news1.google.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!border2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!news1.optus.net.au!optus!newsfeeder.syd.optusnet.com.au!news.optusnet.com.au!not-for-mail Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2008 12:59:48 +1100 From: PC Pete User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070815) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Help with CPVGEN sources for TurboDOS system? References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 48 Message-ID: <47f43a14$0$17201$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: 122.107.177.239 X-Trace: 1207187988 17201 122.107.177.239 X-Original-Bytes: 3513 Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15743 Frank da Cruz wrote: > There is no CKVGEN.ASM. I apologize for the inadequate or misleading > documentation, but I believe the thing to do is to edit CPXTYP.ASM > and change the definition for one and only one of the system types > (in this case "gener") from FALSE to TRUE. Or if TurboDOS is more like > CP/M 3 than CP/M 2.2, do this for "cpm3" rather than "gener". > Thanks, Frank, that makes a bit more sense to me. I did a lot of assembly programming (like you, too long ago and too far away to want to remember how old that makes me! :)), and I never ever linked in hex sources with any rel or mac files. That's what was driving me nuts - the doco actually states the system-independent source must be compiled, then linked (merged using DDT) with the system-dependent hex file, and instructions for how to build the system-dependent files aren't mentioned anywhere I've looked - it all seems to be "pre-built", which seems a bit strange, unless there's proprietary code or licence issues. > And as Marc Sapiro noted (and I forgot until just now) there is also a > binary for TurboDOS, available in both straight hex (not Intel hex) > format and UUencoded. The hex is about 52K, so it should be "just" a > question of getting it into your box in one piece somehow and > dehexifying it. > > - Frank I've downloaded the ASCII hex, de-hexed the TD binary (I still had the Turbo Pascal source I wrote in 1989 for that exact problem on the target system, which was a really nice break), and run it - and it starts up, then before a prompt appears, it crashes out. Actually, it resets the CPU completely, which is what happens on this system when the transient BDOS portion is overwritten. I've even tried running it in Bank 0, but the ccp can't load it, I've got less than 26k free in bank 0. I suspect (and my memory is a bit hazy) that it's because I'm running it on a SLAVE processor, not the same processor configured as a standalone CPU system (it's the Pulsar Z80B I'm doing this all on, with a Pulsar 80186 master CPU, running TurboDOS 1.4). That's going to be a problem, because I don't have a working floppy drive - I have plenty of CP/M 2.2 and standalone TurboDOS boot floppies that I know are configured for this system, but there's no way of getting access to them, even if I could remember which of the 16 jumpers and 8 switches and replacement PALs I need to turn the slave into a standalone/master... If nothing else, it's been a blast finding all this again, and I'm flabbergasted at how helpful the few remaining folks have been. I really hope I can return the favour. Back to configuring... and crossing fingers. From PCPete@audiography.com.au Sat Apr 5 14:48:06 2008 Path: reader2.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews.google.com!news2.google.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!border2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!news1.optus.net.au!optus!newsfeeder.syd.optusnet.com.au!news.optusnet.com.au!not-for-mail Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2008 13:25:06 +1100 From: PC Pete User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070815) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Help with CPVGEN sources for TurboDOS system? References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 38 Message-ID: <47f44002$0$5200$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: 122.107.177.239 X-Trace: 1207189506 5200 122.107.177.239 X-Original-Bytes: 2384 Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15744 Actually, I think there is "some stuff" missing from the archive. (understatement!) In aavsys.txt, it does specify ASM source for TurboDOS (by Mark Eichin), but in the ftp site, there's only the hex binary and uue and ann files. ... Ok, I'm looking through the files I downloaded from the kermit/a directory, and I'm looking at the cpxxxx.asm files. From what I can see, I need to compile : CPXVDU.ASM CPXTYP CPXSYS CPXSY2 CPXSWT CPXLNK CPXCOM CPXAPP .. are there any others I need to be aware of? Or, to save you wasting your valuable time, is there a "master" file (like cpsker) that lists all the other files and/or equates I need to compile and link to get the system-dependent part of a generic kermit 4 system implementation working? I'm really sorry to ask all of this of you guys, but so far I've spent around 35 hours and looked at 115 sites (102 of them now dead) and750+ pages of news archives, bbs lists, resource archives, uunet archives, and more... I'm just a bit lost at the moment, if I can find a touchstone for what I need and where I can get it, then I can stop bugging people with better things to do than answer questions for 20 year-old code. Even better, I can then document it and put it somewhere so no-one else has to go through this. The resources available are amazing, it's just finding the appropriate ones! And I've got so MUCH stuff on the dying system, that I know I can give something back if I can get some transfer happening, but I'm just spinning my wheels here. From PCPete@audiography.com.au Sat Apr 5 14:48:28 2008 Path: reader2.panix.com!panix!news.linkpendium.com!news.linkpendium.com!news.glorb.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!border2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!news1.optus.net.au!optus!newsfeeder.syd.optusnet.com.au!news.optusnet.com.au!not-for-mail Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2008 18:38:15 +1100 From: PC Pete User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070815) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Help with CPVGEN sources for TurboDOS system? References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 14 Message-ID: <47f48968$0$8437$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: 122.107.177.239 X-Trace: 1207208296 8437 122.107.177.239 X-Original-Bytes: 1331 Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15745 Frank da Cruz wrote: My apologies, all, I did not read all the way through the user guide. I now know (hopefully) which asm files to be compiled. I'm having some fun trying to identify the overlay address, as it's defined as $-lnkflg, but then the lnkflg address needs to contain lnksiz... I'll do some .printx and recompile so I have a clearer idea! I've at least documented the changes that needed to be made, I hope these will be useful when I've confirmed all the mods. Again, sorry for not R-ing TFM. -PCPete From PCPete@audiography.com.au Sat Apr 5 14:48:52 2008 Path: reader2.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews.google.com!news2.google.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!border2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!news1.optus.net.au!optus!newsfeeder.syd.optusnet.com.au!news.optusnet.com.au!not-for-mail Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2008 20:11:46 +1100 From: PC Pete User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070815) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Help with CPVGEN sources for TurboDOS system? References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 13 Message-ID: <47f49f53$0$20462$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: 122.107.177.239 X-Trace: 1207213907 20462 122.107.177.239 X-Original-Bytes: 1281 Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15746 OK, I'm sorting most of the problems out now. Kinda. I can now almost compile the cpxxxx sources, but my M80 keeps throwing macro overflow errors. It looks like my version doesn't like an included file including another file more than 2 levels deep, and that's exactly what's happening. I'll do some more playing to see if I can avoid the included chaining by making the cpxtyp.mac a bit less flexible to start with - then I can fart around with getting a new version of these tools. From PCPete@audiography.com.au Sat Apr 5 14:49:30 2008 Path: reader2.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews.google.com!news2.google.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!border2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!news1.optus.net.au!optus!newsfeeder.syd.optusnet.com.au!news.optusnet.com.au!not-for-mail Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2008 21:05:20 +1100 From: PC Pete User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070815) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Help with CPVGEN sources for TurboDOS system? References: <47f49f53$0$20462$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au> In-Reply-To: <47f49f53$0$20462$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 53 Message-ID: <47f4abe0$0$13262$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: 122.107.177.239 X-Trace: 1207217120 13262 122.107.177.239 X-Original-Bytes: 2693 Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15747 PC Pete wrote: > OK, I'm sorting most of the problems out now. Kinda. > > I can now almost compile the cpxxxx sources, but my M80 keeps throwing > macro overflow errors. > > It looks like my version doesn't like an included file including another > file more than 2 levels deep, and that's exactly what's happening. > > I'll do some more playing to see if I can avoid the included chaining by > making the cpxtyp.mac a bit less flexible to start with - then I can > fart around with getting a new version of these tools. > > Nope, wrong again. I do get a macro (or memory, the M80 manual and doc file are extraordinarily unhelpful, that's one bad side I forgot about M/L80) overflow at line 458 in CPXVDU.ASM,and line 1360 in CPXSYS2.ASM, and it is happening within an "open" IF directive (these are included from line 679 in CPXTYP.ASM), but I'm not sure why that particular equate is not getting flagged for pass 2 - especially this is failing on the first pass of the assembler! I've included the full output here, if anyone could have a look and see if the problem rings any bells, I'd very much appreciate the hand. I just can't remember all the pitfalls. Back to the grind. I'm sure it's going to be blindingly, stupendously obvious... 0E}m80 cpxtyp=cpxtyp.mac * sysfam set TRUE * * CPXCOM.MAC * * CPXSWT.MAC * * Assembling Generic KERMIT-80 * * CPXSYS.MAC * * CPXSY2.MAC * * CPXVDU.MAC * * generic CRT selected * M C ovlend equ $ ; End of overlay * sysfam set TRUE * * CPXCOM.MAC * * CPXSWT.MAC * * Assembling Generic KERMIT-80 * * CPXSYS.MAC * * CPXSY2.MAC * M 733E C ovlend EQU $ * CPXVDU.MAC * * generic CRT selected * M 73C0 C ovlend equ $ ; End of overlay 3 Fatal error(s) 0E} From PCPete@audiography.com.au Sat Apr 5 14:51:14 2008 Path: reader2.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.stanford.edu!headwall.stanford.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!nntpserver.com!zeus.nntpserver.com!61.88.178.82.MISMATCH!news1.optus.net.au!optus!newsfeeder.syd.optusnet.com.au!news.optusnet.com.au!not-for-mail Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2008 19:53:13 +1100 From: PC Pete User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070815) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Help with CPVGEN sources : Problem found References: <47f49f53$0$20462$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au> <47f4abe0$0$13262$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au> In-Reply-To: <47f4abe0$0$13262$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 82 Message-ID: <47f5ec7a$0$8090$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: 122.107.177.239 X-Trace: 1207299194 8090 122.107.177.239 Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15748 PC Pete wrote: > 0E}m80 cpxtyp=cpxtyp.mac > * sysfam set TRUE * > * CPXCOM.MAC * > * CPXSWT.MAC * > * Assembling Generic KERMIT-80 * > * CPXSYS.MAC * > * CPXSY2.MAC * > * CPXVDU.MAC * > * generic CRT selected * > M C ovlend equ $ ; End of overlay > * sysfam set TRUE * > * CPXCOM.MAC * > * CPXSWT.MAC * > * Assembling Generic KERMIT-80 * > * CPXSYS.MAC * > * CPXSY2.MAC * > M 733E C ovlend EQU $ > * CPXVDU.MAC * > * generic CRT selected * > M 73C0 C ovlend equ $ ; End of overlay > > 3 Fatal error(s) > > 0E} There does seem to be a logic error in the includes, and I seem to have "fixed" the problem and the code now compiles fine, but I still can't run it or save it as a COM image on the TurboDOS system. To run it at all, I have to load the compiled hex images in DDT, then G, which craps out with the same wierd error messages. I've also compiled this on a stock CP/M 2.2 system, and I get the same errors (multiple ovlends), and the code compiles to the same "size" - i.e. the end of the independent code is way past 7000. However, that all seemed to work on that system, whereas the same isn't true on the TurboDOS system. I've traced through the initialisation code in CPSMIT.MAC, but unfortunately my debug is absolutely awful - I can't download or capture the PRN file generated by M80 when compiling the cpsker code, because the terminal emulator won't wrap, so my PRN file display has no comments, while the "clean" source obviously has no addresses I can match - so when I get lost, I have to get the PC from DDT, look it up in the truncated PRN, then match that (remember, no line numbers in this version of M80) to the "raw" asm source to get my bearings. I'm trying a few alternatives to that nightmare, but the terminal emulator won't capture plain ASCII, it will only download using x/y/zmodem/kermit... which completes the circle of life. And if I use a dedicated windows build of a serial file transfer, it doesn't work because I still don't have x/y/z/k on the target system. Enough already. Sorry. The logic problem I see is that with the 'gener' and 'crt' equates set to true, both CPXSY2.ASM and CPXVDU.ASM are included (in that order), but ovlend is defined in both files and both lines are parsed. It looks as though the logic to avoid duplicate definitions worked using LASM, but obviously not many people would have been interested in testing the L80 logic as well. I mean, what kind of loser would want to do THAT? ...oh, right, that would be mel80...:) If it's OK with everyone, I'll see if I can sort the logic out, and post my changes for comment. Maybe then that might find a home on the archive site? I realise this is 17 years too late, but it would be a shame if someone else had to bite the same bullet. I've also documented the changes that needed to be made to both the file formats (M80 and L80 on both my two CPM systems (TurboDOS and MyZ80 emulator) freak out at the unix-style source) and the names (MAC instead of ASM), and all the equates that needed to be changed/set. I'm sorry to waste so much bandwidth on such a little issue. Thanks to all for your wonderful ideas, it's nice to have someone more experienced offer help, especially when you're as rusty as I am! That was kind of like getting castrated with two bricks. Hopefully it's getting closer now... From fdc@panix.com Sat Apr 5 15:18:08 2008 Path: reader2.panix.com!panix!not-for-mail From: Frank da Cruz Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Help with CPVGEN sources : Problem found Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2008 19:17:59 +0000 (UTC) Organization: PANIX Public Access Internet and UNIX, NYC Lines: 82 Message-ID: References: <47f49f53$0$20462$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au> <47f4abe0$0$13262$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au> <47f5ec7a$0$8090$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au> Reply-To: fdc@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: panix1.panix.com X-Trace: reader2.panix.com 1207423079 23867 166.84.1.1 (5 Apr 2008 19:17:59 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@panix.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2008 19:17:59 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0 (NetBSD) Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15749 On 2008-04-04, PC Pete wrote: : ... : Thanks to all for your wonderful ideas, it's nice to have someone more : experienced offer help, especially when you're as rusty as I am! : I'm more rusty. The last time I actually worked with this code was over 20 years ago and I'm sure it goes without saying that I don't have any machines here where I could do it again. I don't understand why the "native TurboDOS" version doesn't work, but then I've never even seen TurboDOS. Unfortunately I don't see any other grizzed CP/M Kermit veterans popping up with advice. The version we have up on our FTP server is 4.11, which was done by Mike Freeman, but I haven't heard from him in years. But perhaps this version exceeds some bounds that were not exceeded by earlier versions. There's an older version -- I'm not sure exactly which one -- here: ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/old/misc/cpm I also noticed this directory, which I had forgotten about: ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/old/misc/cpmtools It contains source for LASM and MLOAD. But maybe there's a simpler approach. The object of the game is to get your files OFF TurboDOS and into the PC, right? Getting things INTO TurboDOS is evidently problematic. And both TurboDOS and the PC support RTS/CTS flow control, right? So for any text file on TurboDOS, shouldn't you be able to TYPE it to the serial port? And have the PC terminal emulator capture it to a file? It's not elegant, but you only have to do it "just this once". If it's really RTS/CTS flow control, you should be able to do this at any speed that TurboDOS supports and you have a true null modem cable: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cable.html If you have Kermit 95 on the Windows box, the commands would be LOG SESSION (to start logging) and CLOSE SESSION (to stop). If you have to send binary files, you'd have to ASCIIize them first, of course. With some programming on each end, you could even automate the process. The TurboDOS program would loop through all the files, sending first some kind of distinctive text header containing the filename, like: >>> BEGIN filename-goes-here <<< then the file contents, then (not strictly necessary) a footer: >>> END <<< A Kermit script could be written that waits for a header: INPUT 9999 <<< parses it (I'll supply details if you're interested), and then opens a session log using the filename from the header: LOG SESSION filename-goes-here and waits for the footer: INPUT 9999 >>> END <<< IF FAILURE (fill in what to do if this fails) CLOSE SESSION All this in a loop. If you wanted to get fancy, you could also have an end-of-session footer to terminate the loop. Or other embellishments like transmitting the file date. With a short cable and the high speed of the Windows box and hardware flow control driven by the receiver, you should have pretty much error-free transfers. Sorry to not respond to all your posts promptly but as I might have mentioned, Columbia U no longer supports netnews so I have to find the time to go elsewhere to read news. - Frank From PCPete@audiography.com.au Mon Apr 14 13:25:30 2008 Path: reader2.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews.google.com!news1.google.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!border2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!news1.optus.net.au!optus!newsfeeder.syd.optusnet.com.au!news.optusnet.com.au!not-for-mail Date: Sun, 06 Apr 2008 08:03:35 +1000 From: PC Pete Reply-To: PCPete@audiography.com.au Organization: Audiography User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Help with CPVGEN sources : Problem found References: <47f49f53$0$20462$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au> <47f4abe0$0$13262$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au> <47f5ec7a$0$8090$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 141 Message-ID: <47f7f743$0$8036$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: 122.107.177.239 X-Trace: 1207433028 8036 122.107.177.239 X-Original-Bytes: 7105 Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15750 Frank da Cruz wrote: > On 2008-04-04, PC Pete wrote: > : ... > : Thanks to all for your wonderful ideas, it's nice to have someone more > : experienced offer help, especially when you're as rusty as I am! > : > I'm more rusty. The last time I actually worked with this code was over > 20 years ago and I'm sure it goes without saying that I don't have any > machines here where I could do it again. I don't understand why the "native > TurboDOS" version doesn't work, but then I've never even seen TurboDOS. > Unfortunately I don't see any other grizzed CP/M Kermit veterans popping > up with advice. > It's not that surprising, Frank, I'm more surprised that this newsgroup is still alive and kicking at all! Mind you, it's a bit like going into a wonderful old hotel that's been bypassed by new highways - the furniture and fittings are still there, one or two "grizzled" staff greet the infrequent guests, but we watch the old billboards fade while dust quietly gathers in the corners... > I also noticed this directory, which I had forgotten about: > > ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/old/misc/cpmtools > > It contains source for LASM and MLOAD. > That's a good find - I didn't dig too deeply, I was too fixated on finding other mirrors with different source sets. I'll try that out (I think LASM/MLOAD might deal with the merging problems better than DDT. > But maybe there's a simpler approach. The object of the game is to get > your files OFF TurboDOS and into the PC, right? Getting things INTO TurboDOS > is evidently problematic. > Yep, this is (for now) a one-way only problem. I have to get the oil OFF the sinking tanker. > And both TurboDOS and the PC support RTS/CTS flow control, right? So for any > text file on TurboDOS, shouldn't you be able to TYPE it to the serial port? > And have the PC terminal emulator capture it to a file? It's not elegant, but > you only have to do it "just this once". If it's really RTS/CTS flow control, > you should be able to do this at any speed that TurboDOS supports and you have > a true null modem cable: > > http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cable.html > You read my mind. The problem for me is that on a 64-bit OS, none of the terminal emulators work properly (the only one that offers some help in the form of waiting for simple characters and so on is a real 16-bit Windows 95 emulator with no buffer capture). > If you have Kermit 95 on the Windows box, the commands would be LOG SESSION > (to start logging) and CLOSE SESSION (to stop). > At the moment, the only kermit I have working is the one that's rolled into the terminal emulator, and that's not programmable - it just sends or receives kermit "packets" - if it doesn't receive kermit protocol information, it treats the data as bad. > If you have to send binary files, you'd have to ASCIIize them first, of > course. > > With some programming on each end, you could even automate the process. > The TurboDOS program would loop through all the files, sending first some > kind of distinctive text header containing the filename, like: > > >>> BEGIN filename-goes-here <<< > > then the file contents, then (not strictly necessary) a footer: > > >>> END <<< > > A Kermit script could be written that waits for a header: > > INPUT 9999 <<< > > parses it (I'll supply details if you're interested), and then opens > a session log using the filename from the header: > > LOG SESSION filename-goes-here > > and waits for the footer: > > INPUT 9999 >>> END <<< > IF FAILURE (fill in what to do if this fails) > CLOSE SESSION > > All this in a loop. If you wanted to get fancy, you could also have an > end-of-session footer to terminate the loop. Or other embellishments like > transmitting the file date. > > With a short cable and the high speed of the Windows box and hardware flow > control driven by the receiver, you should have pretty much error-free > transfers. > I've already written ascii-fiers and de-ascii-fiers that work, I was just hoping to avoid having to loop through the 7,000-odd files on 40 user areas on 5 drive volumes, many of which are now corrupt or unreadable. But I've already spent more time trying to find out why Kermit doesn't compile than I would have spent doing a findfirst/findnext looped transfer of files in a simple protocol as you've suggested. > Sorry to not respond to all your posts promptly but as I might have mentioned, > Columbia U no longer supports netnews so I have to find the time to go > elsewhere to read news. > > - Frank Don't apologise, it's me who should apologise for spewing updates and data here without fully understanding the intricacies of the kermit compile requirements, and 15+ years since I last M80'd in anger. I appreciate every word you've been able to suggest. I'll spend a couple more hours to see if I can get any debugging done (after compiling and linking with masm/mload) and using my newly-captured CPSKER.PRN, and if not, I'll bite the bullet and 'do the washing by hand'. I've also finally got my WinXP-32 virtual machine running, that will give me true access to the comm ports on the PC in a 32-bit environment, which will open up some other transfer options with different serial tools (I hope)! I've also dusted off and fired up my PC-XT with a whole bunch of serial comms software (Telix Procomm, MS-DOS kermit, etc) on it. Unfortunately the serial hardware access in the MS-DOS virtual machines isn't as robust as in the XP virtual machine. So there are a few bridges yet to burn... Thanks again for all the ideas and suggestions, I really appreciate the help. I really really really want to be able to give something back. But don't hold your breath... Kind regards PC Pete -- -- "I want to die peacefully in my sleep, like my grandpa, not screaming and crying, like the passengers in his car." -Unremembered source from the (19)90's. From PCPete@audiography.com.au Mon Apr 14 13:27:49 2008 Path: reader2.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.stanford.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!feedme.ziplink.net!newspeer1.nac.net!border2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!news1.optus.net.au!optus!newsfeeder.syd.optusnet.com.au!news.optusnet.com.au!not-for-mail Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2008 10:04:02 +1000 From: PC Pete User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070815) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Help with CPVGEN sources : Problem found References: <47f49f53$0$20462$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au> <47f4abe0$0$13262$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au> <47f5ec7a$0$8090$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 20 Message-ID: <47f964f3$0$22095$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: 122.107.177.239 X-Trace: 1207526643 22095 122.107.177.239 Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15752 Frank da Cruz wrote: > The version we have up on our FTP server is 4.11, which was done by Mike > Freeman, but I haven't heard from him in years. But perhaps this version > exceeds some bounds that were not exceeded by earlier versions. There's an > older version -- I'm not sure exactly which one -- here: > > ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/old/misc/cpm > > I also noticed this directory, which I had forgotten about: > > ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/old/misc/cpmtools > > It contains source for LASM and MLOAD. Actually Frank, those files are inaccessible via anonymous ftp. I can cd to the directory, but I can't download any of the files using either a dos ftp client nor a web-based (html) ftp client. I'll have a look for those files on different archives and see what I can get. From slash_dev_slash_null_2000@yahoo.com Mon Apr 14 13:30:35 2008 Path: reader2.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews.google.com!n14g2000pri.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: Mark Sapiro Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Help with CPVGEN sources : Problem found Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2008 17:46:25 -0700 (PDT) Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 37 Message-ID: References: <47f49f53$0$20462$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au> <47f4abe0$0$13262$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au> <47f5ec7a$0$8090$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au> <47f964f3$0$22095$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.183.193.239 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1207529185 32576 127.0.0.1 (7 Apr 2008 00:46:25 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 00:46:25 +0000 (UTC) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: n14g2000pri.googlegroups.com; posting-host=68.183.193.239; posting-account=wclt7goAAAC_K4WydXPXrO61H6DxgqEv User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.5) Gecko/20070321 Netscape/8.1.3,gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15753 On Apr 6, 5:04 pm, PC Pete wrote: > Frank da Cruz wrote: > > The version we have up on our FTP server is 4.11, which was done by Mike > > Freeman, but I haven't heard from him in years. But perhaps this version > > exceeds some bounds that were not exceeded by earlier versions. There's an > > older version -- I'm not sure exactly which one -- here: > > > ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/old/misc/cpm > > > I also noticed this directory, which I had forgotten about: > > > ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/old/misc/cpmtools > > > It contains source for LASM and MLOAD. > > Actually Frank, those files are inaccessible via anonymous ftp. I can cd > to the directory, but I can't download any of the files using either a > dos ftp client nor a web-based (html) ftp client. > > I'll have a look for those files on different archives and see what I > can get. The files in those directories are not world readable. I'm sure Frank will fix it as soon as he sees your post. I wish I could be more help, but every time I think about this, I have to stop and clean my keyboard because of all the rust particles that fall out of my head. I haven't been in those dusty corners in a very long time. -- (for email use this address please - you can figure it out) Mark Sapiro mark at msapiro net Any clod can have the facts; San Francisco Bay Area, California having opinions is an art. - C. McCabe, The Fearless Spectator From PCPete@audiography.com.au Mon Apr 14 13:31:24 2008 Path: reader2.panix.com!panix!newsfeed-00.mathworks.com!newscon02.news.prodigy.net!prodigy.net!kcnewsm01.prserv.net!prserv.net!uunet!dca.uu.net!snewsf0.syd.ops.aspac.uu.net!news1.optus.net.au!optus!newsfeeder.syd.optusnet.com.au!news.optusnet.com.au!not-for-mail Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2008 15:27:49 +1000 From: PC Pete User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070815) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Help with CPVGEN sources : Problem found References: <47f49f53$0$20462$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au> <47f4abe0$0$13262$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au> <47f5ec7a$0$8090$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au> <47f964f3$0$22095$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 34 Message-ID: <47f9b0d6$0$3660$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: 122.107.177.239 X-Trace: 1207546070 3660 122.107.177.239 Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15754 Mark Sapiro wrote: > The files in those directories are not world readable. I'm sure Frank > will fix it as soon as he sees your post. That would explain a lot! I've actually just slurped the \c\ group of files just so I can search and view them faster than the WWW or ftp clients can. I hope nobody minds. Heck, I've got enough storage to spare to archive the entire site I think, but that might not be a good idea... > I wish I could be more help, but every time I think about this, I have > to stop and clean my keyboard because of all the rust particles that > fall out of my head. I haven't been in those dusty corners in a very > long time. Don't apologise, I'm rusty as well. I'm still figuring out the bloody parameter strings for TurboDOS, let alone the M80/L80 progs... I've actually tried building the TP4KER source from Terje Mathiesen's source, but it depends on some object files that my TP5/6/7 system doesn't have. Definitely a blast from the past, remembering how to build and compile to disk! And don't get me started with debugging - that was my life back then and I can't believe how much we've come to rely on integrated debuggers - Allah forfend, I was putting printf() and Writeln() and .printx statements all through the source files I've found. There's definitely a lot to be said for modern debuggers. Still, it's all good fun. If I can't compile the MASM/LASM source, I'll definitely sit down in front of my emulated local CP/M window and do what I should have done in the beginning - rolled my own clunky serial transfer code. Sometimes shortcuts definitely AIN'T. Thanks all for your help, I'll keep looking and trying I guess. -PCP From fdc@panix.com Mon Apr 14 13:31:35 2008 Path: reader2.panix.com!panix!not-for-mail From: Frank da Cruz Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Help with CPVGEN sources : Problem found Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 17:27:46 +0000 (UTC) Organization: PANIX Public Access Internet and UNIX, NYC Lines: 29 Message-ID: References: <47f49f53$0$20462$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au> <47f4abe0$0$13262$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au> <47f5ec7a$0$8090$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au> <47f964f3$0$22095$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au> Reply-To: fdc@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: panix1.panix.com X-Trace: reader2.panix.com 1208194066 18972 166.84.1.1 (14 Apr 2008 17:27:46 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@panix.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 17:27:46 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0 (NetBSD) Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15755 On 2008-04-07, PC Pete wrote: : Frank da Cruz wrote: :> The version we have up on our FTP server is 4.11, which was done by Mike :> Freeman, but I haven't heard from him in years. But perhaps this version :> exceeds some bounds that were not exceeded by earlier versions. There's an :> older version -- I'm not sure exactly which one -- here: :> :> ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/old/misc/cpm :> :> I also noticed this directory, which I had forgotten about: :> :> ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/old/misc/cpmtools :> :> It contains source for LASM and MLOAD. : : Actually Frank, those files are inaccessible via anonymous ftp. I can cd : to the directory, but I can't download any of the files using either a : dos ftp client nor a web-based (html) ftp client. : : I'll have a look for those files on different archives and see what I : can get. : The files are accessible by FTP if you don't have a firewall on your end blocking access. You can also get files from the Kermit archive with HTTP by following the link at the bottom of the Kermit Project home page. - Frank From fdc@panix.com Mon Apr 14 13:31:39 2008 Path: reader2.panix.com!panix!not-for-mail From: Frank da Cruz Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Help with CPVGEN sources : Problem found Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 17:30:31 +0000 (UTC) Organization: PANIX Public Access Internet and UNIX, NYC Lines: 13 Message-ID: References: <47f49f53$0$20462$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au> <47f4abe0$0$13262$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au> <47f5ec7a$0$8090$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au> <47f964f3$0$22095$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au> Reply-To: fdc@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: panix1.panix.com X-Trace: reader2.panix.com 1208194231 18972 166.84.1.1 (14 Apr 2008 17:30:31 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@panix.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 17:30:31 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0 (NetBSD) Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15756 On 2008-04-07, Mark Sapiro wrote: :> > ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/old/misc/cpmtools :> : The files in those directories are not world readable. I'm sure Frank : will fix it as soon as he sees your post. : Oops, sorry again for the delay, and for the mistake. Contrary to sentiments recently aired here, Kermit is very much alive and there is a great deal of FTP activity, and I get a truckload of complaints about "FTP doesn't work" every day, and until now it's been because of firewalls. The permissions are fixed now. - Frank From fdc@panix.com Mon Apr 14 13:34:51 2008 Path: reader2.panix.com!panix!not-for-mail From: Frank da Cruz Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit with cell phone Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 17:34:39 +0000 (UTC) Organization: PANIX Public Access Internet and UNIX, NYC Lines: 39 Message-ID: Reply-To: fdc@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: panix1.panix.com X-Trace: reader2.panix.com 1208194479 18972 166.84.1.1 (14 Apr 2008 17:34:39 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@panix.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 17:34:39 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0 (NetBSD) Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15757 Here is a question that came in today that I might be too old to answer :-) > I went through all of the "frequently asked " questions listed under > "Support" on your website and did not find a question or reference to my > concern. > > The question. Is there any support in Kermit for dial up connection from > a notebook (Windows 2000), through a cell phone, to a unix box (SCO Open > Server) for trouble shooting applications? > > I can now connect through land lines but when I am on the road I need a > facility that allows me to use a cell phone, usb (if necessary) and any > features of Windows 2000, to connect to the unix box wirelessly. > It's up to the maker of your cell phone and/or your ISP. Kermit can make serial port, modem, and text-mode Internet connections (such as Telnet, SSH, rlogin, ftp, etc). I don't have direct experience with this, but it appears that some cell phones can act as modems. Here are some web pages that talk about it: http://lifehacker.com/software/cell-phones/geek-to-live-use-your-cell-phone-as-a-modem-175048.php http://www.engadget.com/2005/01/18/how-to-use-your-cdma-cellphone-as-a-usb-modem/ These and other pages talk about how to get on the Internet with Dial-Up Networking (DUN) using a cell phone. I didn't see a page that talks about how to make a traditional computer-to-computer call with that same modem, but it seems to me that if you can do one, you can do the other. Once you have a modem driver installed for the cell phone, you should be able to use it like any other modem that you would call you SCO box with. But that's pure speculation. It's interesting, however, and I'd like to hear about your experience. Also I'm going to post this to the comp.protocols.kermit.misc newsgroup (without your name or email) in case anybody there can shed some light. - Frank From markhobley@hotpop.donottypethisbit.com Fri Apr 18 12:19:37 2008 Path: reader2.panix.com!panix!newsfeed-00.mathworks.com!news.tele.dk!feed118.news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed3.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!border2.nntp.ams.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!pe2.news.blueyonder.co.uk!blueyonder!pe1.news.blueyonder.co.uk!blueyonder!text.news.virginmedia.com!53ab2750!not-for-mail Message-ID: From: markhobley@hotpop.donottypethisbit.com (Mark Hobley) Subject: Re: Kermit with cell phone Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc References: User-Agent: tin/1.9.3-20080326 ("Dalaruan") (UNIX) (Linux/2.6.24-1-486 (i686)) Lines: 26 Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 19:08:06 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 92.232.150.252 X-Complaints-To: http://netreport.virginmedia.com X-Trace: text.news.virginmedia.com 1208286486 92.232.150.252 (Tue, 15 Apr 2008 20:08:06 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 20:08:06 BST Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15758 Frank da Cruz wrote: > Here is a question that came in today that I might be too old to answer :-) >> >> The question. Is there any support in Kermit for dial up connection from >> a notebook (Windows 2000), through a cell phone, to a unix box (SCO Open >> Server) for trouble shooting applications? You have lots of options: Configure the notebook for dial on demand, then run Kermit Manually dial, then run Kermit Install a Kermit capable terminal emulator package. (I think TeraTerm and PUTTY both do this. I am not sure about the current version of Hyperterminal.) Regards, Mark. -- Mark Hobley, 393 Quinton Road West, Quinton, BIRMINGHAM. B32 1QE. From dold@08.usenet.us.com Fri Apr 18 12:19:42 2008 Path: reader2.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news.kjsl.com!news-xfer.nntp.sonic.net!192.160.13.7.MISMATCH!wasp.rahul.net!192.160.13.20.MISMATCH!rahul.net!azure.rahul.net!dold From: dold@08.usenet.us.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit with cell phone Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 19:13:20 +0000 (UTC) Organization: "a2i network" Lines: 13 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: azure.rahul.net X-Trace: blue.rahul.net 1208286800 1347 192.160.13.38 (15 Apr 2008 19:13:20 GMT) X-Complaints-To: support@rahul.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 19:13:20 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: tin/1.6.2-20030910 ("Pabbay") (UNIX) (Linux/2.6.9-023stab040.1 (i686)) X-Comment: Encoded From: line allows replies that preserve original subject Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15759 Frank da Cruz wrote: > > The question. Is there any support in Kermit for dial up connection from > > a notebook (Windows 2000), through a cell phone, to a unix box (SCO Open > > Server) for trouble shooting applications? > It's up to the maker of your cell phone and/or your ISP. Mostly, it's up to the ISP. In the US, they say no. Some people still have a feature called CSD where they can connect via cellphone to a modem in the Central Office. It's just not offered any more. -- Clarence A Dold - Hidden Valley Lake, CA, USA GPS: 38.8,-122.5 From PCPete@audiography.com.au Tue May 6 14:01:24 2008 Path: reader2.panix.com!panix!news.linkpendium.com!news.linkpendium.com!newspeer1.nac.net!border2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!news1.optus.net.au!optus!newsfeeder.syd.optusnet.com.au!news.optusnet.com.au!not-for-mail Date: Mon, 05 May 2008 12:10:47 +1000 From: PC Pete User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070815) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Help with CPVGEN sources : Problem found References: <47f49f53$0$20462$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au> <47f4abe0$0$13262$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au> <47f5ec7a$0$8090$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au> <47f964f3$0$22095$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 22 Message-ID: <481e6ca8$0$30460$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: 122.107.177.239 X-Trace: 1209953448 30460 122.107.177.239 Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15760 Frank da Cruz wrote: > The files are accessible by FTP if you don't have a firewall on your end > blocking access. > > You can also get files from the Kermit archive with HTTP by following the > link at the bottom of the Kermit Project home page. > > - Frank Thanks Frank, I've been able to download the hex and asm sources. I'm so sorry to take so long to respond, I've been sidetracked by a DOS build problem on another ye olde system, and I haven't even thought "CP/M" for weeks... When I get back into code build mode, I'll try and update here to let anyone else interested know... Watch this space. Thanks again for your involvement. It's good to know Kermit is still very much a live project! Kind regards, PCPete From fdc@panix.com Tue May 6 14:45:48 2008 Path: reader2.panix.com!panix!not-for-mail From: Frank da Cruz Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: The life of Kermit Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 18:45:09 +0000 (UTC) Organization: PANIX Public Access Internet and UNIX, NYC Lines: 69 Message-ID: References: <47f49f53$0$20462$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au> <47f4abe0$0$13262$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au> <47f5ec7a$0$8090$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au> <47f964f3$0$22095$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au> <481e6ca8$0$30460$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au> Reply-To: fdc@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: panix1.panix.com X-Trace: reader2.panix.com 1210099509 22256 166.84.1.1 (6 May 2008 18:45:09 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@panix.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 18:45:09 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0 (NetBSD) Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15762 On 2008-05-05, Mark Hobley wrote: : PC Pete wrote: : :> Thanks again for your involvement. It's good to know Kermit is still :> very much a live project! : : I like kermit. It is a pity about the restrictive licencing that makes : the source code effectively read-only, unless patches are used. : : The project would probably be a lot more active, if it was under an open : source licence that permits free modification of the source code and : distribution of modified versions. : : There is a gkermit package which is distributed under GPL, but this does : not contain connection establishment facilities. If gkermit supported : connection establishment, it would be great. : You probably know the history. Kermit was "free software" long before there was Open Source (TM), FSF, or GPL. In the 80s and into the 90s, it was a truly massive worldwide cooperative effort to cover every known computer and operating system and you can see the results on our FTP site: http://kermit.columbia.edu/ftp/ It started as means to solve a local problem at Columbia University -- how to interconnect and share files among PDP-10s (DEC-20s), IBM mainframes, CP/M microcomputers, the then-brand-new IBM PC, and shortly thereafter the Macintosh and 4.2BSD Unix, and this we did pretty much in-house as a our job. Since we were paid to do it, we were glad to share, and we received a lot of other stuff developed elsewhere in the same spirit and everybody benefited. Other sites began contributing Kermit versions of their own for VMS, PDP-11s, lots of different CP/M and DOS variations (in those days there many DOS's, not just one), Data General, Honeywell, LISP machines, you name it, and pretty soon we were spending more time dealing with platforms that didn't even exist at Columbia than we were supporting Columbia's own user community, which was (to tell the truth) a lot of fun. But Columbia didn't see the point in paying us to do things for the outside world and advised us to shut down the Kermit Project and move on (this started as early as 1984). That did not appeal to me, so in 1986 I proposed hiring a dedicated staff to be paid from income received from fees we would charge for shipping the software on magnetic tape and by selling books. This worked OK for some years but once the Internet removed the need for sending tapes through the mail, we needed another source of income to keep the project alive and thus was born Kermit 95. Well, here we are 27 years later and the business aspects -- order processing, charging, invoicing, dunning, budgets, reports, forecasts, spreadsheets, and all the rest -- take up so much time that there is little opportunity for development, plus, as you say, the restrictive license puts people off who might otherwise be interested in contributing to the development. I would like nothing better than to take Kermit Open Source, but Columbia will not fund an Open Source project. If I could identify a stable source of funding for, say, 5 years, I would do it in a flash. But the bottom line is, the Kermit Project must be paid for, one way or another and these days the only viable income stream seems to be license fees. It can't be done by selling support contracts (we have tried that in the past) or coffee cups or T-shirts. I've approached numerous corporations and came close a few times, but something always happens at the last moment (usually it's that the key person vanishes without a trace, or the corporation itself, like DEC). I keep trying. This too takes a fair amount of time. - Frank From smith.fcs1111@snet.net Tue May 13 13:10:17 2008 Path: reader2.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.stanford.edu!headwall.stanford.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!cyclone1.gnilink.net!spamkiller2.gnilink.net!gnilink.net!trndny04.POSTED!4df87cbe!not-for-mail From: Kelvin Smith User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Windows/20080421) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Delayed response from remote Kermit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 080511-0, 05/11/2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Lines: 16 Message-ID: <1Y0Wj.2825$xr1.43@trndny04> Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 19:33:17 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 72.81.51.220 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verizon.net X-Trace: trndny04 1210620797 72.81.51.220 (Mon, 12 May 2008 15:33:17 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 15:33:17 EDT Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15763 I'm using Kermit 95 v2.1.3 to run a terminal connection to a RSTS computer (the OS is genuine DEC, though it's running on a PC with an emulator, not PDP-11 hardware). On the RSTS computer, I'm running Kermit-11 (I have versions X3.60 and X4.64 available) for file transfers. I just upgraded to a new desktop computer running Vista Business (previously I was on XP Pro), and now most times when I give a command that requires a response from the remote Kermit (such as Finish or GET), it takes about 8 seconds before I get a command prompt back, instead of the 1-2 seconds previously (i.e., on my XP computer). The results are the same with both RSTS versions of Kermit. Any ideas on what's causing the delay and how to correct it? Kelvin Smith Bethlehem, PA (remove 1111 for email) From fdc@panix.com Tue May 13 13:19:13 2008 Path: reader2.panix.com!panix!not-for-mail From: Frank da Cruz Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Delayed response from remote Kermit Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 17:19:00 +0000 (UTC) Organization: PANIX Public Access Internet and UNIX, NYC Lines: 38 Message-ID: References: <1Y0Wj.2825$xr1.43@trndny04> Reply-To: fdc@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: panix3.panix.com X-Trace: reader2.panix.com 1210699140 9725 166.84.1.3 (13 May 2008 17:19:00 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@panix.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 17:19:00 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0 (NetBSD) Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15764 On 2008-05-12, Kelvin Smith wrote: : I'm using Kermit 95 v2.1.3 to run a terminal connection to a RSTS : computer (the OS is genuine DEC, though it's running on a PC with an : emulator, not PDP-11 hardware). On the RSTS computer, I'm running : Kermit-11 (I have versions X3.60 and X4.64 available) for file transfers. : OK... : I just upgraded to a new desktop computer running Vista Business : (previously I was on XP Pro), and now most times when I give a command : that requires a response from the remote Kermit (such as Finish or GET), : it takes about 8 seconds before I get a command prompt back, instead : of the 1-2 seconds previously (i.e., on my XP computer). The results are : the same with both RSTS versions of Kermit. Any ideas on what's causing : the delay and how to correct it? : And you have Kermit 95, correct? And Kermit 95 is running on the same PC as the PDP-11 emulator? In that case, it possible that either one or both were affected by the upgrade to Vista. If they are on separate PCs then clearly the problem is isolated to the new one. How is the connection being made? Is it a null modem cable, or some kind of "virtual" Windows serial port that is linked to the emulator's DH11 or whatever? Anyway, you can tell Kermit 95 to: set debug timestamps on log debug and then send (say) a FINISH command. The log will show where the pause happened and that will be a clue. : Kelvin Smith : Bethlehem, PA : (remove 1111 for email) - Frank From smith.fcs1111@snet.net Fri May 16 13:44:26 2008 Path: reader2.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews.google.com!news2.google.com!npeer02.iad!npeer03.iad!news.highwinds-media.com!cycny01.gnilink.net!spamkiller2.gnilink.net!gnilink.net!trndny07.POSTED!4df87cbe!not-for-mail From: Kelvin Smith User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Windows/20080421) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Delayed response from remote Kermit References: <1Y0Wj.2825$xr1.43@trndny04> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 080513-0, 05/13/2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Lines: 54 Message-ID: <5EnWj.2036$za1.2009@trndny07> Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 21:22:09 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 72.81.51.220 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verizon.net X-Trace: trndny07 1210713729 72.81.51.220 (Tue, 13 May 2008 17:22:09 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 17:22:09 EDT Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15765 My goodness. How does one make sense of the debug information? In less than two minutes, I generated over 19000 lines. I actually was able to capture a Finish command that responded quickly, plus a second that responded slowly, so in theory the information we need is there, but I don't know how to ferret out what's going on. Physical setup: Kermit 95 is on one PC, the PDP-11 emulator is on another. They're connected by a null modem running between the COM ports. It should be noted that the Kermit 95 machine is using a USB to COM adapter. Kelvin Smith Bethlehem, PA (remove 1111 for email) Frank da Cruz wrote: > On 2008-05-12, Kelvin Smith wrote: > : I'm using Kermit 95 v2.1.3 to run a terminal connection to a RSTS > : computer (the OS is genuine DEC, though it's running on a PC with an > : emulator, not PDP-11 hardware). On the RSTS computer, I'm running > : Kermit-11 (I have versions X3.60 and X4.64 available) for file transfers. > : > OK... > > : I just upgraded to a new desktop computer running Vista Business > : (previously I was on XP Pro), and now most times when I give a command > : that requires a response from the remote Kermit (such as Finish or GET), > : it takes about 8 seconds before I get a command prompt back, instead > : of the 1-2 seconds previously (i.e., on my XP computer). The results are > : the same with both RSTS versions of Kermit. Any ideas on what's causing > : the delay and how to correct it? > : > And you have Kermit 95, correct? And Kermit 95 is running on the same > PC as the PDP-11 emulator? In that case, it possible that either one or > both were affected by the upgrade to Vista. If they are on separate PCs > then clearly the problem is isolated to the new one. > > How is the connection being made? Is it a null modem cable, or some kind > of "virtual" Windows serial port that is linked to the emulator's DH11 or > whatever? > > Anyway, you can tell Kermit 95 to: > > set debug timestamps on > log debug > > and then send (say) a FINISH command. The log will show where the pause > happened and that will be a clue. > > : Kelvin Smith > : Bethlehem, PA > : (remove 1111 for email) > > - Frank From fdc@panix.com Fri May 16 13:47:22 2008 Path: reader2.panix.com!panix!not-for-mail From: Frank da Cruz Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Delayed response from remote Kermit Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 17:46:49 +0000 (UTC) Organization: PANIX Public Access Internet and UNIX, NYC Lines: 17 Message-ID: References: <1Y0Wj.2825$xr1.43@trndny04> <5EnWj.2036$za1.2009@trndny07> Reply-To: fdc@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: panix1.panix.com X-Trace: reader2.panix.com 1210960009 22549 166.84.1.1 (16 May 2008 17:46:49 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@panix.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 17:46:49 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0 (NetBSD) Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15766 On 2008-05-13, Kelvin Smith wrote: : My goodness. How does one make sense of the debug information? In less : than two minutes, I generated over 19000 lines. I actually was able to : capture a Finish command that responded quickly, plus a second that : responded slowly, so in theory the information we need is there, but I : don't know how to ferret out what's going on. : : Physical setup: Kermit 95 is on one PC, the PDP-11 emulator is on : another. They're connected by a null modem running between the COM : ports. It should be noted that the Kermit 95 machine is using a USB to : COM adapter. : You can send me the debug log if you like. I'd look for the place where there is a long separation between two timestamps and see what was the last thing that happened before the delay occurred. - Frank From arthur.marsh@internode.on.net Thu Jun 12 14:13:16 2008 Path: reader2.panix.com!panix!newsfeed-00.mathworks.com!lon-transit.news.telstra.net!lon-in.news.telstra.net!news.telstra.net!news-server.bigpond.net.au!53ab2750!not-for-mail From: Arthur Marsh User-Agent: Mozilla-Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (X11/20080509) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: compiler warning when compiling ftp://ftp.columbia.edu/kermit/test/tar/x.tar.gz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: Lines: 33 Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2008 11:08:04 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 124.182.251.164 X-Complaints-To: abuse@bigpond.net.au X-Trace: news-server.bigpond.net.au 1212577684 124.182.251.164 (Wed, 04 Jun 2008 21:08:04 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2008 21:08:04 EST Organization: BigPond Internet Services Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15767 I don't know if this is worth checking: gcc-4.3 -O3 -march=pentium2 -funsigned-char -pipe -DPOSIX -DLINUX -DNOCOTFMC -D_LARGEFILE_SOURCE -D_FILE_OFFSET_BITS=64 -DCK_AUTHENTICATION -DCK_SSL -DCK_PAM -DZLIB -DCK_CURSES -DCK_POSIX_SIG -DTCPSOCKET -DLINUXFSSTND -DHAVE_CRYPT_H -DFNFLOAT -DCK_SHADOW -I/usr/include/openssl -DOPENSSL_097 -DKTARGET=\"linux+openssl+zlib+shadow+pam\" -c ckuusx.c ckuusx.c: In function 'ck_termset': ckuusx.c:6181: warning: cast from pointer to integer of different size ckuusx.c:6188: warning: cast from pointer to integer of different size ckuusx.c:6195: warning: cast from pointer to integer of different size gcc-4.3 -O3 -march=pentium2 -funsigned-char -pipe -DPOSIX -DLINUX -DNOCOTFMC -D_LARGEFILE_SOURCE -D_FILE_OFFSET_BITS=64 -DCK_AUTHENTICATION -DCK_SSL -DCK_PAM -DZLIB -DCK_CURSES -DCK_POSIX_SIG -DTCPSOCKET -DLINUXFSSTND -DHAVE_CRYPT_H -DFNFLOAT -DCK_SHADOW -I/usr/include/openssl -DOPENSSL_097 -DKTARGET=\"linux+openssl+zlib+shadow+pam\" -c ckudia.c ckudia.c: In function 'dialfail': ckudia.c:4995: warning: cast from pointer to integer of different size gcc-4.3 -O3 -march=pentium2 -funsigned-char -pipe -DPOSIX -DLINUX -DNOCOTFMC -D_LARGEFILE_SOURCE -D_FILE_OFFSET_BITS=64 -DCK_AUTHENTICATION -DCK_SSL -DCK_PAM -DZLIB -DCK_CURSES -DCK_POSIX_SIG -DTCPSOCKET -DLINUXFSSTND -DHAVE_CRYPT_H -DFNFLOAT -DCK_SHADOW -I/usr/include/openssl -DOPENSSL_097 -DKTARGET=\"linux+openssl+zlib+shadow+pam\" -c ck_ssl.c ck_ssl.c: In function 'tls_load_certs': ck_ssl.c:1171: warning: cast from pointer to integer of different size ck_ssl.c:1172: warning: cast from pointer to integer of different size This is being compiled on Debian GNU/Linux unstable on a Pentium II machine. From fdc@panix.com Thu Jun 12 14:18:34 2008 Path: reader2.panix.com!panix!not-for-mail From: Frank da Cruz Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: compiler warning when compiling ftp://ftp.columbia.edu/kermit/test/tar/x.tar.gz Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 18:18:11 +0000 (UTC) Organization: PANIX Public Access Internet and UNIX, NYC Lines: 37 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: fdc@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: panix2.panix.com X-Trace: reader2.panix.com 1213294691 6304 166.84.1.2 (12 Jun 2008 18:18:11 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@panix.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 18:18:11 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0 (NetBSD) Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15768 On 2008-06-04, Arthur Marsh wrote: : I don't know if this is worth checking: : : gcc-4.3 -O3 -march=pentium2 -funsigned-char -pipe -DPOSIX -DLINUX : -DNOCOTFMC -D_LARGEFILE_SOURCE -D_FILE_OFFSET_BITS=64 : -DCK_AUTHENTICATION -DCK_SSL -DCK_PAM -DZLIB -DCK_CURSES -DCK_POSIX_SIG : -DTCPSOCKET -DLINUXFSSTND -DHAVE_CRYPT_H -DFNFLOAT -DCK_SHADOW : -I/usr/include/openssl -DOPENSSL_097 : -DKTARGET=\"linux+openssl+zlib+shadow+pam\" -c ckuusx.c : ckuusx.c: In function 'ck_termset': : ckuusx.c:6181: warning: cast from pointer to integer of different size : ckuusx.c:6188: warning: cast from pointer to integer of different size : ckuusx.c:6195: warning: cast from pointer to integer of different size : This is something in the termcap / termlib / ncurses library. I'd say if the file-transfer display still works OK (which is really the only things that uses curses, except a few commands like CLEAR SCREEN), then it's nothing to worry about. : ck_ssl.c: In function 'tls_load_certs': : ck_ssl.c:1171: warning: cast from pointer to integer of different size : ck_ssl.c:1172: warning: cast from pointer to integer of different size : : This is being compiled on Debian GNU/Linux unstable on a Pentium II machine. : I'm told that these are nothing to worry about either. We've always had tons of warnings when building with the security libraries and header files, yet the features still work OK when used. Still, it would be nice avoid the warnings. A more serious issue has to do with the total replacement of DES functions in OpenSSL in recent Fedora issues. Anybody with knowledge in these areas who might want to lend a hand is most welcome! - Frank From bonomi@host122.r-bonomi.com Mon Jun 30 09:41:37 2008 Path: reader2.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews.google.com!news1.google.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!local02.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.posted.nuvoxcommunications!news.posted.nuvoxcommunications.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2008 20:22:27 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc References: Organization: Gizmos & Gadgets, Ltd. Subject: Re: compiler warning when compiling ftp://ftp.columbia.edu/kermit/test/tar/x.tar.gz X-Newsreader: trn 4.0-test76 (Apr 2, 2001) From: bonomi@host122.r-bonomi.com (Robert Bonomi) Originator: bonomi@host122.r-bonomi.com (Robert Bonomi) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2008 20:22:27 -0500 Lines: 61 X-Usenet-Provider: http://www.giganews.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.87.227.26 X-Trace: sv3-ut2180YT/MdRaZQnVkpz5l+J37MrxBkwJCVor8ZwMnc9Ls0LnnhwriSFWmxA1D204f9ZJgJ76Ix3flg!hJz0HHfj+PSohgzD0AcBPsRnJqrjXGm1xRlpzfZGwiYl4qJrLT+zZKhfY21/1nqFrADj7BRA1COR!18n+1u3YWr7M1tnIZ+9U19sY6HRkFQxdaVSvtlJJc9k= X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.39 Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15769 In article , Frank da Cruz wrote: >On 2008-06-04, Arthur Marsh wrote: >: I don't know if this is worth checking: >: >: gcc-4.3 -O3 -march=pentium2 -funsigned-char -pipe -DPOSIX -DLINUX >: -DNOCOTFMC -D_LARGEFILE_SOURCE -D_FILE_OFFSET_BITS=64 >: -DCK_AUTHENTICATION -DCK_SSL -DCK_PAM -DZLIB -DCK_CURSES -DCK_POSIX_SIG >: -DTCPSOCKET -DLINUXFSSTND -DHAVE_CRYPT_H -DFNFLOAT -DCK_SHADOW >: -I/usr/include/openssl -DOPENSSL_097 >: -DKTARGET=\"linux+openssl+zlib+shadow+pam\" -c ckuusx.c >: ckuusx.c: In function 'ck_termset': >: ckuusx.c:6181: warning: cast from pointer to integer of different size >: ckuusx.c:6188: warning: cast from pointer to integer of different size >: ckuusx.c:6195: warning: cast from pointer to integer of different size >: >This is something in the termcap / termlib / ncurses library. I'd say >if the file-transfer display still works OK (which is really the only >things that uses curses, except a few commands like CLEAR SCREEN), then >it's nothing to worry about. > >: ck_ssl.c: In function 'tls_load_certs': >: ck_ssl.c:1171: warning: cast from pointer to integer of different size >: ck_ssl.c:1172: warning: cast from pointer to integer of different size >: >: This is being compiled on Debian GNU/Linux unstable on a Pentium II machine. >: >I'm told that these are nothing to worry about either. We've always had >tons of warnings when building with the security libraries and header files, >yet the features still work OK when used. Still, it would be nice avoid the >warnings. _ALL_ these statements are invocations of the 'debug()' macro. 'debug()' expands to a function where the 4th parameter is defined as a CK_OFF_T. The offending invocations all have a 4th parameter that is a "pointer to something". Which *VIOLATES* the specification of the dodebug() routine (in ckuusx.c, line 4849) that the debug() macro expands to. Anyway, the result is a "size mis-match" in these circumstances between a (void *) and a CK_OFF_T. CK_OFF_T is specced as a type big enough to hold a _file_ offset, and since it's being compiled with _LARGEFILESOURCE this is a 64-bit qty. _APPARENTLY_, the compilation options only use a 32-bit _program_ address- space, thus generating the mis-match. FIX: ckuusx.c -- change the last parameter of debug() from "" to 0 on all 3 lines. ck_ssl.c -- no obvious foolproof fix here. Explicitly casting the last param of the macro to an 32-bit qty -- e.g. "debug(..((int32)ctx))" should work, as long as there is a defined 'int32' type. ` [ I'm assuming that sooner or later somebody _will_ try to compile ] [ C-Kermit on a machine with 32-bit pointers, but only 16-bit ints. ] [ If one decides that it is 'safe' to ignore that case, then a simple ] [ ((int)ctx) would work. ] From arthur.marsh@internode.on.net Mon Jun 30 09:41:54 2008 Path: reader2.panix.com!panix!news.linkpendium.com!news.linkpendium.com!pit-transit.telstra.net!lon-in.news.telstra.net!news.telstra.net!news-server.bigpond.net.au!53ab2750!not-for-mail From: Arthur Marsh User-Agent: Mozilla-Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (X11/20080509) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: compiler warning when compiling ftp://ftp.columbia.edu/kermit/test/tar/x.tar.gz References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: Lines: 67 Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2008 20:18:09 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 144.137.197.243 X-Complaints-To: abuse@bigpond.net.au X-Trace: news-server.bigpond.net.au 1214079489 144.137.197.243 (Sun, 22 Jun 2008 06:18:09 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2008 06:18:09 EST Organization: BigPond Internet Services Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15770 Robert Bonomi wrote, on 2008-06-20 10:52: > In article , > Frank da Cruz wrote: >> On 2008-06-04, Arthur Marsh wrote: >> : I don't know if this is worth checking: >> : >> : gcc-4.3 -O3 -march=pentium2 -funsigned-char -pipe -DPOSIX -DLINUX >> : -DNOCOTFMC -D_LARGEFILE_SOURCE -D_FILE_OFFSET_BITS=64 >> : -DCK_AUTHENTICATION -DCK_SSL -DCK_PAM -DZLIB -DCK_CURSES -DCK_POSIX_SIG >> : -DTCPSOCKET -DLINUXFSSTND -DHAVE_CRYPT_H -DFNFLOAT -DCK_SHADOW >> : -I/usr/include/openssl -DOPENSSL_097 >> : -DKTARGET=\"linux+openssl+zlib+shadow+pam\" -c ckuusx.c >> : ckuusx.c: In function 'ck_termset': >> : ckuusx.c:6181: warning: cast from pointer to integer of different size >> : ckuusx.c:6188: warning: cast from pointer to integer of different size >> : ckuusx.c:6195: warning: cast from pointer to integer of different size >> : >> This is something in the termcap / termlib / ncurses library. I'd say >> if the file-transfer display still works OK (which is really the only >> things that uses curses, except a few commands like CLEAR SCREEN), then >> it's nothing to worry about. >> >> : ck_ssl.c: In function 'tls_load_certs': >> : ck_ssl.c:1171: warning: cast from pointer to integer of different size >> : ck_ssl.c:1172: warning: cast from pointer to integer of different size >> : >> : This is being compiled on Debian GNU/Linux unstable on a Pentium II machine. >> : >> I'm told that these are nothing to worry about either. We've always had >> tons of warnings when building with the security libraries and header files, >> yet the features still work OK when used. Still, it would be nice avoid the >> warnings. > > > _ALL_ these statements are invocations of the 'debug()' macro. 'debug()' > expands to a function where the 4th parameter is defined as a CK_OFF_T. > > The offending invocations all have a 4th parameter that is a "pointer to > something". Which *VIOLATES* the specification of the dodebug() routine > (in ckuusx.c, line 4849) that the debug() macro expands to. > > Anyway, the result is a "size mis-match" in these circumstances > between a (void *) and a CK_OFF_T. > > CK_OFF_T is specced as a type big enough to hold a _file_ offset, and > since it's being compiled with _LARGEFILESOURCE this is a 64-bit qty. > _APPARENTLY_, the compilation options only use a 32-bit _program_ address- > space, thus generating the mis-match. > > FIX: > ckuusx.c -- change the last parameter of debug() from "" to 0 on all 3 lines. Done, and working thanks! > > ck_ssl.c -- no obvious foolproof fix here. Explicitly casting the last > param of the macro to an 32-bit qty -- e.g. "debug(..((int32)ctx))" > should work, as long as there is a defined 'int32' type. > ` > [ I'm assuming that sooner or later somebody _will_ try to compile ] > [ C-Kermit on a machine with 32-bit pointers, but only 16-bit ints. ] > [ If one decides that it is 'safe' to ignore that case, then a simple ] > [ ((int)ctx) would work. ] > > Arthur. From contracer11@gmail.com Wed Jul 2 13:23:22 2008 Path: reader1.panix.com!reader2.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews.google.com!k30g2000hse.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: contracer11@gmail.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit for Red Hat Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 11:05:22 -0700 (PDT) Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 1 Message-ID: <38f86e37-a065-491b-bf1e-e684888fc654@k30g2000hse.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 189.108.26.92 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1214849122 10260 127.0.0.1 (30 Jun 2008 18:05:22 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 18:05:22 +0000 (UTC) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: k30g2000hse.googlegroups.com; posting-host=189.108.26.92; posting-account=TUnoSwoAAABVg1FlmxZubsU-am61YdHf User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 7.0; Windows NT 5.1; InfoPath.1; .NET CLR 2.0.50727; .NET CLR 3.0.04506.30),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15771 Hi: Can you tell me where find Kermit for Red Hat ? Thanks. From arthur.marsh@internode.on.net Wed Jul 2 13:23:41 2008 Path: reader1.panix.com!reader2.panix.com!panix!newsfeed-00.mathworks.com!lon-transit.news.telstra.net!lon-spool.news.telstra.net!lon-in.news.telstra.net!news.telstra.net!news-server.bigpond.net.au!53ab2750!not-for-mail From: Arthur Marsh User-Agent: Mozilla-Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (X11/20080509) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit for Red Hat References: <38f86e37-a065-491b-bf1e-e684888fc654@k30g2000hse.googlegroups.com> In-Reply-To: <38f86e37-a065-491b-bf1e-e684888fc654@k30g2000hse.googlegroups.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: Lines: 18 Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 20:38:13 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 144.137.197.243 X-Complaints-To: abuse@bigpond.net.au X-Trace: news-server.bigpond.net.au 1214858293 144.137.197.243 (Tue, 01 Jul 2008 06:38:13 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2008 06:38:13 EST Organization: BigPond Internet Services Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15772 contracer11@gmail.com wrote, on 01/07/08 03:35: > Hi: Can you tell me where find Kermit for Red Hat ? Thanks. There is a pre-compiled binary for FC7: ftp://ftp.columbia.edu/kermit/bin/cku211.linux-i386-fc7 but you may wish to download: ftp://ftp.columbia.edu/kermit/test/tar/x.tar.gz unpack it and: make linux or make one of the other linux-based targets Arthur. From contracer11@gmail.com Wed Jul 2 13:23:48 2008 Path: reader1.panix.com!reader2.panix.com!panix!newsfeed-00.mathworks.com!newsfeed2.dallas1.level3.net!news.level3.com!postnews.google.com!34g2000hsh.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: contracer11@gmail.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit for Red Hat Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 17:33:57 -0700 (PDT) Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 22 Message-ID: <2b46be3d-d819-4d10-8d30-350a42b85cbf@34g2000hsh.googlegroups.com> References: <38f86e37-a065-491b-bf1e-e684888fc654@k30g2000hse.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 189.102.216.177 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: posting.google.com 1214872437 13544 127.0.0.1 (1 Jul 2008 00:33:57 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 00:33:57 +0000 (UTC) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: 34g2000hsh.googlegroups.com; posting-host=189.102.216.177; posting-account=TUnoSwoAAABVg1FlmxZubsU-am61YdHf User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; SV1; FunWebProducts),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15773 On 30 jun, 17:38, Arthur Marsh wrote: > contrace...@gmail.com wrote, on 01/07/08 03:35: > > > Hi: Can you tell me where find Kermit for Red Hat ? Thanks. > > There is a pre-compiled binary for FC7: > > ftp://ftp.columbia.edu/kermit/bin/cku211.linux-i386-fc7 > > but you may wish to download: > > ftp://ftp.columbia.edu/kermit/test/tar/x.tar.gz > > unpack it and: > > make linux > > or make one of the other linux-based targets > > Arthur. These address doesn=B4t work for me... From arthur.marsh@internode.on.net Wed Jul 2 13:23:58 2008 Path: reader1.panix.com!reader2.panix.com!panix!newsfeed-00.mathworks.com!lon-transit.news.telstra.net!lon-in.news.telstra.net!news.telstra.net!news-server.bigpond.net.au!53ab2750!not-for-mail From: Arthur Marsh User-Agent: Mozilla-Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (X11/20080509) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit for Red Hat References: <38f86e37-a065-491b-bf1e-e684888fc654@k30g2000hse.googlegroups.com> <2b46be3d-d819-4d10-8d30-350a42b85cbf@34g2000hsh.googlegroups.com> In-Reply-To: <2b46be3d-d819-4d10-8d30-350a42b85cbf@34g2000hsh.googlegroups.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: Lines: 41 Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2008 01:13:42 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 144.137.197.243 X-Complaints-To: abuse@bigpond.net.au X-Trace: news-server.bigpond.net.au 1214874822 144.137.197.243 (Tue, 01 Jul 2008 11:13:42 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2008 11:13:42 EST Organization: BigPond Internet Services Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15774 contracer11@gmail.com wrote, on 2008-07-01 10:03: > On 30 jun, 17:38, Arthur Marsh wrote: >> contrace...@gmail.com wrote, on 01/07/08 03:35: >> >>> Hi: Can you tell me where find Kermit for Red Hat ? Thanks. >> There is a pre-compiled binary for FC7: >> >> ftp://ftp.columbia.edu/kermit/bin/cku211.linux-i386-fc7 >> >> but you may wish to download: >> >> ftp://ftp.columbia.edu/kermit/test/tar/x.tar.gz >> >> unpack it and: >> >> make linux >> >> or make one of the other linux-based targets >> >> Arthur. > > These address doesn´t work for me... Try: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ftp/bin/cku211.linux-i386-fc7 or http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ftp/bin/cku211.linux-i386-rh4.0es and http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ftp/test/tar/x.tar.gz for source code (found from http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ftp/ and http://www.columbia.edu/kermit ) Arthur. From cedric_libre@yahoo.fr Sat Jul 19 15:18:05 2008 Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed-00.mathworks.com!newsfeed2.dallas1.level3.net!news.level3.com!postnews.google.com!r66g2000hsg.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: cedric Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: pb with OUTPUT in a script Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 13:49:47 -0700 (PDT) Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 23 Message-ID: <72e8cf05-4219-4d9a-8fe4-475b2fb7843e@r66g2000hsg.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 84.101.218.37 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1216414188 22174 127.0.0.1 (18 Jul 2008 20:49:48 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 20:49:48 +0000 (UTC) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: r66g2000hsg.googlegroups.com; posting-host=84.101.218.37; posting-account=jjtagQoAAABBZPPXGOXJNNa6voFv8smr User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; fr; rv:1.9) Gecko/2008061015 Firefox/3.0,gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15775 Hi, I succeed to use my gsm PC-card using kermit interactively with AT commands, but actually I need to send SMS automatically. Here is the script I have executed : #/usr/bin/kermit set line /dev/ttyS2 set speed 19200 set carrier-watch off OUTPUT AT The output is : ./premier_k: line 5: OUTPUT : commande introuvable "commande introuvable" means unknown command or more precisely command that cannot be found . Do you have an idea ? Thanks a lot, Cedric From slash_dev_slash_null_2000@yahoo.com Sat Jul 19 15:18:10 2008 Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed-00.mathworks.com!newsfeed2.dallas1.level3.net!news.level3.com!postnews.google.com!v26g2000prm.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: Mark Sapiro Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: pb with OUTPUT in a script Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2008 09:52:40 -0700 (PDT) Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 32 Message-ID: <586d9ff7-4aa1-4c5f-a393-4b00e1779fce@v26g2000prm.googlegroups.com> References: <72e8cf05-4219-4d9a-8fe4-475b2fb7843e@r66g2000hsg.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.32.172.20 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: posting.google.com 1216486361 24571 127.0.0.1 (19 Jul 2008 16:52:41 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2008 16:52:41 +0000 (UTC) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: v26g2000prm.googlegroups.com; posting-host=207.32.172.20; posting-account=wclt7goAAAC_K4WydXPXrO61H6DxgqEv User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.0.1) Gecko/2008070208 Firefox/3.0.1,gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15776 On Jul 18, 1:49=A0pm, cedric wrote: > Hi, > I succeed to use my gsm PC-card using kermit interactively with AT > commands, > but actually I need to send SMS automatically. > =A0Here is the script I have executed : > > #/usr/bin/kermit > set line /dev/ttyS2 > set speed 19200 > set carrier-watch off > OUTPUT AT > > The output is : > ./premier_k: line 5: OUTPUT : commande introuvable > > =A0"commande introuvable" means unknown command or more precisely > command that cannot be found . You need to refer to the documentation for your GSM PC card to determine what commands need to be sent to it to do what you want. Then you can script those commands in Kermit. If you need help with Kermit scripts, see . -- (for email use this address please - you can figure it out) Mark Sapiro mark at msapiro net Any clod can have the facts; San Francisco Bay Area, California having opinions is an art. - C. McCabe, The Fearless Spectator From fdc@panix.com Sat Jul 19 15:23:16 2008 Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!not-for-mail From: Frank da Cruz Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: pb with OUTPUT in a script Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2008 19:23:00 +0000 (UTC) Organization: PANIX Public Access Internet and UNIX, NYC Lines: 33 Message-ID: References: <72e8cf05-4219-4d9a-8fe4-475b2fb7843e@r66g2000hsg.googlegroups.com> Reply-To: fdc@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: panix2.panix.com X-Trace: reader1.panix.com 1216495380 4413 166.84.1.2 (19 Jul 2008 19:23:00 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@panix.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2008 19:23:00 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0 (NetBSD) Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15777 On 2008-07-18, cedric wrote: : I succeed to use my gsm PC-card using kermit interactively with AT : commands, but actually I need to send SMS automatically. : Here is the script I have executed : : : #/usr/bin/kermit : set line /dev/ttyS2 : set speed 19200 : set carrier-watch off : OUTPUT AT : : The output is : : ./premier_k: line 5: OUTPUT : commande introuvable : What version of Kermit do you have? The OUTPUT command has been part of Kermit for... well, forever. Furthermore "commande introuvable" is not a message from Kermit. My guess is that the shell is executing this script, not Kermit. You need to put a '!' after the '#' in the first line: #!/usr/bin/kermit and you need to give the script file execute permission. Furthermore, when you send commands to the modem, you have to terminate them with a carriage return: OUTPUT AT\13 As mark suggested, see: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckscripts.html - Frank From robatworkDeleteTheseFourWords@mail.com Thu Sep 25 10:35:41 2008 Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed-00.mathworks.com!nlpi057.nbdc.sbc.com!prodigy.net!Xl.tags.giganews.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!local02.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.pipex.net!news.pipex.net.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2008 07:13:53 -0500 From: Rob S Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit sending problem Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2008 13:15:03 +0100 Message-ID: X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 4.2/32.1118 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 20 X-Usenet-Provider: http://www.giganews.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.3.253.72 X-Trace: sv3-il6NyLYlR9cdBtWnh6Srefu2U5VVYT/OQH7qzvO6jtSlmhZSurPNYM8Ar1yR+NkkLp6b0Mhx2OA5SKz!k4L1BLXO1LQabU0wCNzMiEnG/Q6qtDeu76LavXESNT18uqkuJK9ZO+MQtRjDoHm3oE7w6JEb8JeD!vd7VdDtpUKHNMC1BAho= X-Complaints-To: abuse@dsl.pipex.net X-DMCA-Complaints-To: abuse@dsl.pipex.net X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.39 Bytes: 1772 Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15778 Any ideas on the following error message: SEND-class command failed. Packets sent: 0 Retransmissions: 0 Timeouts: 0 Damaged packets: 0 Transfer canceled by receiver. Receiver's message: "Write access denied" Most recent local OS error: "Invalid argument" I am connecting via tcpip across the internet. I can do a rem dir of the remote PC, and Get files OK. I only get an error when sending. I can rem cd to a different drive entirely (a memory stick) and still get the error. I disabled the antivir on the remote PC. The above happens no matter what file I send or what dir I am in, and ROBUST doesn't help at all. thanks -Rob robatwork at mail dot com From slash_dev_slash_null_2000@yahoo.com Thu Sep 25 10:36:01 2008 Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed-00.mathworks.com!newsfeed2.dallas1.level3.net!news.level3.com!postnews.google.com!s20g2000prd.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: Mark Sapiro Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit sending problem Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 16:42:23 -0700 (PDT) Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 45 Message-ID: <4a8b2e48-82b1-4a28-8e99-14580e674a7c@s20g2000prd.googlegroups.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.183.193.239 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: posting.google.com 1220658143 27885 127.0.0.1 (5 Sep 2008 23:42:23 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 23:42:23 +0000 (UTC) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: s20g2000prd.googlegroups.com; posting-host=68.183.193.239; posting-account=wclt7goAAAC_K4WydXPXrO61H6DxgqEv User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.0.1) Gecko/2008070208 Firefox/3.0.1,gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15779 On Sep 5, 5:15=A0am, Rob S wrote: > Any ideas on the following error message: > > SEND-class command failed. > =A0Packets sent: 0 > =A0Retransmissions: 0 > =A0Timeouts: 0 > =A0Damaged packets: 0 > =A0Transfer canceled by receiver. > =A0Receiver's message: "Write access denied" The above message is the problem. > =A0Most recent local OS error: "Invalid argument" =A0 =A0 =A0 > > I am connecting via tcpip across the internet. I can do a rem dir of the = remote > PC, and Get files OK. I only get an error when sending. I can rem cd to a > different drive entirely (a memory stick) and still get the error. I disa= bled > the antivir on the remote PC. The above happens no matter what file I sen= d or > what dir I am in, and ROBUST doesn't help at all. What is the Kermit on the receiving PC? How are you connecting to it? I.e., do you log in to the remote PC and start Kermit? Do you connect to a running Kermit via "set host"? Do you rely on the protocol to start the remote Kermit? Depending on the Kermit and its settings, it may always try to store received files in a particular directory which may not be the current directory. -- (for email use this address please - you can figure it out) Mark Sapiro mark at msapiro net Any clod can have the facts; San Francisco Bay Area, California having opinions is an art. - C. McCabe, The Fearless Spectator From robatworkDeleteTheseFourWords@mail.com Thu Sep 25 10:36:53 2008 Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed-00.mathworks.com!nlpi057.nbdc.sbc.com!prodigy.net!Xl.tags.giganews.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!local02.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.pipex.net!news.pipex.net.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2008 07:28:26 -0500 From: Rob S Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit sending problem Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2008 13:29:36 +0100 Message-ID: References: <4a8b2e48-82b1-4a28-8e99-14580e674a7c@s20g2000prd.googlegroups.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 4.2/32.1118 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 30 X-Usenet-Provider: http://www.giganews.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.3.253.72 X-Trace: sv3-Wh0dsCunk/3C8jZhjARxOC8dU0ZdyFHKgAj1Vdyebjm2CQapD/f2Dl/49t3qPKo7g+kM2RZxPSMp0n8!VN4ibTZfQdiUErIyxi3Ie3OwYrfKlKboid+UPOlaXtjKcvJMvEbUtaSZy9+aocVW+uTVVv4dPyDi!3BNBABQ04Jxcugo394U= X-Complaints-To: abuse@dsl.pipex.net X-DMCA-Complaints-To: abuse@dsl.pipex.net X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.39 Bytes: 2519 Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15780 On Fri, 5 Sep 2008 16:42:23 -0700 (PDT), Mark Sapiro wrote: - - -What is the Kermit on the receiving PC? - -How are you connecting to it? I.e., do you log in to the remote PC and -start Kermit? Do you connect to a running Kermit via "set host"? Do -you rely on the protocol to start the remote Kermit? - -Depending on the Kermit and its settings, it may always try to store -received files in a particular directory which may not be the current -directory. This turned out to be something very peculiar in windows on the host. If I moved the kermit folder from C:\aaa\kermit to C:\kermit it all worked fine. Putting it back in aaa and it failed. The workaround was (I was starting kermit from a shortcut to a batch file in the form kermit cmdfile,) to start the "normal" batch file from another batch file with another shortcut. Note the normal batch file works on other PCs OK. I spent a couple of hours on it and didn't have more time to spend, but my guess is some underlying problem on the pc's windows installation and the way it handled the DOS 16 bit subsystem. I am sure a reload of windows would have fixed it, but that wasn't a practical option in this case... thanks for the suggestions -Rob robatwork at mail dot com From awgabis@juno.com Thu Sep 25 10:41:51 2008 Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!newspump.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newspeer1.nac.net!border2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!postnews.google.com!2g2000hsn.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: alexander Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: File transfer from Linux to Win XP over USB - basic questions Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 12:39:38 -0700 (PDT) Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 35 Message-ID: <0eebec1e-7566-453e-857b-49b1310f491e@2g2000hsn.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 69.66.95.59 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1221161978 28890 127.0.0.1 (11 Sep 2008 19:39:38 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 19:39:38 +0000 (UTC) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: 2g2000hsn.googlegroups.com; posting-host=69.66.95.59; posting-account=ZebcQgoAAAC82lRePyoYh9WetFfjx0j5 User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.0.1) Gecko/2008070208 Firefox/3.0.1,gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15781 Howdy: I'm contemplating the purchase of a notebook computer that runs some version of Linux. Possibly Linpus. The task at hand is to set up a cable connection between the notebook and my desktop PC, which is running Windows XP, over which I can simply and easily transfer files (mostly text, but perhaps binary as well) on a fairly regular basis -- every other day or so. Questions: 1) Are there versions of Kermit available (say, like, on the Columbia U. site http://www.columbia.edu/kermit) that support this operation? 1a) If there is a ver that works under Linux (or one of its manifestations), would it be necessary to recompile it from source on my particular system? 2) What sort of cabling would I need to do this? I know nothing about USB connections at all -- whether they even support this sort of application. I probably will not have an RS-232 serial port on the notebook, but I understand that there exist adapters that will connect USB to an RS-232 wire. Would such a contraption mess up the kermit operation? 3) Does anyone know about file format compatibility issues between Linux and Windows? Do I have to worry about whether, say, a text file or an RTF file created on the Linux side would even be readable/system- compatible with the Windows XP OS? In particular, compatible with the Windows file system -- NTFS style. One would hope that the Kermits on each end would somehow handle this transparently. thanks Alex From slash_dev_slash_null_2000@yahoo.com Thu Sep 25 10:42:37 2008 Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed-00.mathworks.com!newsfeed2.dallas1.level3.net!news.level3.com!postnews.google.com!i20g2000prf.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: Mark Sapiro Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: File transfer from Linux to Win XP over USB - basic questions Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 11:33:30 -0700 (PDT) Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 66 Message-ID: References: <0eebec1e-7566-453e-857b-49b1310f491e@2g2000hsn.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.183.193.239 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: posting.google.com 1221244410 5821 127.0.0.1 (12 Sep 2008 18:33:30 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 18:33:30 +0000 (UTC) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: i20g2000prf.googlegroups.com; posting-host=68.183.193.239; posting-account=wclt7goAAAC_K4WydXPXrO61H6DxgqEv User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.0.1) Gecko/2008070208 Firefox/3.0.1,gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15782 On Sep 11, 12:39=A0pm, alexander wrote: > Howdy: =A0I'm contemplating the purchase of a notebook computer that > runs some version of Linux. Possibly Linpus. The task at hand is to > set up a cable connection between the notebook and my desktop PC, > which is running Windows XP, over which I can simply and easily > transfer files (mostly text, but perhaps binary as well) on a fairly > regular basis -- every other day or so. > > Questions: > 1) Are there versions of Kermit available (say, like, on the Columbia > U. sitehttp://www.columbia.edu/kermit) that support this operation? Yes. You want Kermit-95 on the Windows XP box and C-Kermit on the Linux box. > 1a) If there is a ver that works under Linux (or one of its > manifestations), would it be necessary to recompile it from source on > my particular system? There are many pre-built C-Kermit binaries at . One of these may be suitable for your hardware/OS platform, but if not, Kermit is fairly straightforward to make from source . > 2) What sort of cabling would I need to do this? I know nothing about > USB connections at all -- whether they even support this sort of > application. I probably will not have an RS-232 serial port on the > notebook, but I understand that there exist adapters that will connect > USB to an RS-232 wire. Would such a contraption mess up the kermit > operation? There are a few ways to approach this. The old way was to connect two computers via RS-232C ports using a null modem cable . And yes, there are USB to RS-232 adapters that would work. In this setup, each computer sees the other as a modem. The more modern way is to use ethernet connections via a router or the internet itself. Even if you have to purchase a router to implement this, the increased speed is probably worth it. > 3) Does anyone know about file format compatibility issues between > Linux and Windows? Do I have to worry about whether, say, a text file > or an RTF file created on the Linux side would even be readable/system- > compatible with the Windows XP OS? =A0In particular, compatible =A0with > the Windows file system -- NTFS style. One would hope that the Kermits > on each end would somehow handle this transparently. Yes, the Kermits are very good about this - one of the major advantages of using Kermit over other methods. -- (for email use this address please - you can figure it out) Mark Sapiro mark at msapiro net Any clod can have the facts; San Francisco Bay Area, California having opinions is an art. - C. McCabe, The Fearless Spectator From markhobley@hotpop.donottypethisbit.com Thu Sep 25 10:43:13 2008 Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.stanford.edu!goblin1!goblin.stu.neva.ru!eweka.nl!hq-usenetpeers.eweka.nl!69.16.177.246.MISMATCH!cyclone03.ams.highwinds-media.com!news.highwinds-media.com!npeersf02.ams.highwinds-media.com!newsfe10.ams2.POSTED!7564ea0f!not-for-mail Message-ID: From: markhobley@hotpop.donottypethisbit.com (Mark Hobley) Subject: Re: File transfer from Linux to Win XP over USB - basic questions Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc References: <0eebec1e-7566-453e-857b-49b1310f491e@2g2000hsn.googlegroups.com> User-Agent: tin/1.9.3-20080506 ("Dalintober") (UNIX) (Linux/2.6.25-2-486 (i686)) Lines: 56 NNTP-Posting-Host: 92.232.150.252 X-Complaints-To: http://netreport.virginmedia.com X-Trace: newsfe10.ams2 1221250090 92.232.150.252 (Fri, 12 Sep 2008 20:08:10 UTC) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 20:08:10 UTC Organization: virginmedia.com Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 20:50:15 +0100 Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15783 alexander wrote: > 1) Are there versions of Kermit available (say, like, on the Columbia > U. site http://www.columbia.edu/kermit) that support this operation? You can just install gkermit on the Linux machine, and a kermit capable terminal emulator on the Microsoft Windows machine. (I think TeraTerm, PuTTY, or Reflections would suit this.) > 1a) If there is a ver that works under Linux (or one of its > manifestations), would it be necessary to recompile it from source on > my particular system? gkermit is available on most Linux boxes. There is not problem here. > 2) What sort of cabling would I need to do this? You could just use a crossover network cable, if there is no RS232 port on the machine. > 3) Does anyone know about file format compatibility issues between > Linux and Windows? Files created in Microsoft Windows may have CRLF line ends, whereas on Linux based systems, they have just LF line ends. There is an ambiguity in the RTF standard, which means that RTF files created on Microsoft Windows may not be readable on GNU/Linux based systems, even though the files are to the standards stated. > One would hope that the Kermits on each end would somehow handle this transparently. Line ending can sometimes be manipulated by the terminal emulator, though translation of RTF files would not be transparent. I normally just convert received text files to the appropriate format. I stopped using RTF, due to compatiblity problems with this format, and the open source editor not being as mature as Atlantis Nova, which was the RTF editor of choice on Microsoft Windows based systems. I now use Abiword on both Microsoft Windows and on GNU/Linux, and this has made documents more portable between platforms, that the RTF documents. You could however run Atlantis Nova in Wine, if you wanted to continue using the RTF format. Mark. -- Mark Hobley, 393 Quinton Road West, Quinton, BIRMINGHAM. B32 1QE. From awgabis@juno.com Thu Sep 25 10:43:18 2008 Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!newspump.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newspeer1.nac.net!border2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!postnews.google.com!2g2000hsn.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: alexander Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: File transfer from Linux to Win XP over USB - basic questions Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 13:35:17 -0700 (PDT) Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 22 Message-ID: References: <0eebec1e-7566-453e-857b-49b1310f491e@2g2000hsn.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 69.66.95.59 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: posting.google.com 1221251718 29774 127.0.0.1 (12 Sep 2008 20:35:18 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 20:35:18 +0000 (UTC) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: 2g2000hsn.googlegroups.com; posting-host=69.66.95.59; posting-account=ZebcQgoAAAC82lRePyoYh9WetFfjx0j5 User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.0.1) Gecko/2008070208 Firefox/3.0.1,gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15784 On Sep 12, 2:50=A0pm, markhob...@hotpop.donottypethisbit.com (Mark Hobley) wrote: > alexander wrote: > > 1) Are there versions of Kermit available (say, like, on the Columbia > > U. sitehttp://www.columbia.edu/kermit) that support this operation? > > You can just install gkermit on the Linux machine, and a kermit capable > terminal emulator on the Microsoft Windows machine. (I think TeraTerm, > PuTTY, or Reflections would suit this.) > > > 1a) If there is a ver that works under Linux (or one of its > > manifestations), would it be necessary to recompile it from source on > > my particular system? > ... [snip] ... Very helpful. Thanks so much to both Marks! best Alex From fdc@panix.com Thu Sep 25 10:57:26 2008 Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!not-for-mail From: Frank da Cruz Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit sending problem Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 14:40:57 +0000 (UTC) Organization: PANIX Public Access Internet and UNIX, NYC Lines: 34 Message-ID: References: <4a8b2e48-82b1-4a28-8e99-14580e674a7c@s20g2000prd.googlegroups.com> Reply-To: fdc@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: panix2.panix.com X-Trace: reader1.panix.com 1222353657 17731 166.84.1.2 (25 Sep 2008 14:40:57 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@panix.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 14:40:57 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0 (NetBSD) Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15785 On 2008-09-09, Rob S wrote: : On Fri, 5 Sep 2008 16:42:23 -0700 (PDT), Mark Sapiro : wrote: : -What is the Kermit on the receiving PC? : You didn't answer this question. : This turned out to be something very peculiar in windows on the host. If I : moved the kermit folder from C:\aaa\kermit to C:\kermit it all worked : fine. Putting it back in aaa and it failed. The workaround was (I was : starting kermit from a shortcut to a batch file in the form kermit cmdfile,) : to start the "normal" batch file from another batch file with another : shortcut. Note the normal batch file works on other PCs OK. : : I spent a couple of hours on it and didn't have more time to spend, but my : guess is some underlying problem on the pc's windows installation and the : way it handled the DOS 16 bit subsystem. I am sure a reload of windows would : have fixed it, but that wasn't a practical option in this case... : When you say "DOS 16 bit subsystem" that leads me to suspect that you are using MS-DOS Kermit on the Windows end. See: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/msk95.html ..or that you are using Kermit 95 (as you should be) but are under the mistaken impression that it is a DOS program. Here is the Kermit 95 page: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html In any case, I would suspect the problem is the permissions on the different directories on that PC, but you didn't mention which Windows OS you have. - Frank From fdc@panix.com Thu Sep 25 10:57:37 2008 Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!not-for-mail From: Frank Da Cruz Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: File transfer from Linux to Win XP over USB - basic questions Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 14:56:24 +0000 (UTC) Organization: PANIX Public Access Internet and UNIX, NYC Lines: 77 Message-ID: References: <0eebec1e-7566-453e-857b-49b1310f491e@2g2000hsn.googlegroups.com> Reply-To: fdc@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: panix2.panix.com X-Trace: reader1.panix.com 1222354584 23112 166.84.1.2 (25 Sep 2008 14:56:24 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@panix.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 14:56:24 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0 (NetBSD) Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15786 On 2008-09-12, Mark Hobley wrote: : alexander wrote: : :> 1) Are there versions of Kermit available (say, like, on the Columbia :> U. site http://www.columbia.edu/kermit) that support this operation? : : You can just install gkermit on the Linux machine, and a kermit capable : terminal emulator on the Microsoft Windows machine. (I think TeraTerm, : PuTTY, or Reflections would suit this.) : Last time I looked, PuTTY did not include Kermit protocol. Teraterm did but it was not a very good implementation. I believe Reflections supports Kermit protocol, but it's very expensive. There is really no reason to use G-Kermit on Linux instead of C-Kermit. G-Kermit is a bare-bones minimal Kermit protocol implementation that was produced to satisfy the demands of license purists. C-Kermit is generally faster and it does more, and anybody who wants to use it can download it for free and use it all they want to (they just can't turn around and sell it to somebody else). :> 1a) If there is a ver that works under Linux (or one of its :> manifestations), would it be necessary to recompile it from source on :> my particular system? : : gkermit is available on most Linux boxes. There is not problem here. : C-Kermit is available for all Linux boxes, as Mark S said. At the present moment the best place to get it is here: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckdaily.html The version you'll find here has a few updates that might be necessary for certain Linux distributions. In any case, for best results with file transfer, if you are going to be using Kermit protocol, you should use real Kermit software on each end of the connection because it works better and it's supported. The Kermit software for Windows is Kermit 95: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html :> 2) What sort of cabling would I need to do this? : : You could just use a crossover network cable, if there is no RS232 port : on the machine. : About serial-port cables, see: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cable.html :> 3) Does anyone know about file format compatibility issues between :> Linux and Windows? : : Files created in Microsoft Windows may have CRLF line ends, whereas on : Linux based systems, they have just LF line ends. : Kermit 95 and C-Kermit can be used together to transfer files between Linux and Windows (and most any other pair of platforms) without the user having to be concerned with these issues, or having to worry about the difference between text and binary files. All necessary conversions are done automatically. : There is an ambiguity in the RTF standard, which means that RTF files : created on Microsoft Windows may not be readable on GNU/Linux based : systems, even though the files are to the standards stated. : :> One would hope that the Kermits on each end would somehow handle this :> transparently. : As far as Kermit is concerned, RTF files are text files. Kermit does not convert application-specific formats between applications or platforms; neither does any other file-transfer program that I know of. It can, however, (and does) convert between text-file record formats and text-file character encodings (e.g. Windows code pages, ISO 8859, UTF8, etc). - Frank From markhobley@hotpop.donottypethisbit.com Mon Sep 29 15:40:37 2008 Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed-00.mathworks.com!kanaga.switch.ch!switch.ch!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!feeder.erje.net!lightspeed.eweka.nl!81.171.88.16.MISMATCH!eweka.nl!hq-usenetpeers.eweka.nl!69.16.177.246.MISMATCH!cyclone03.ams.highwinds-media.com!news.highwinds-media.com!npeersf02.ams.highwinds-media.com!newsfe15.ams2.POSTED!7564ea0f!not-for-mail Message-ID: <9ppsq5-8j2.ln1@neptune.markhobley.yi.org> From: markhobley@hotpop.donottypethisbit.com (Mark Hobley) Subject: Re: File transfer from Linux to Win XP over USB - basic questions Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc References: <0eebec1e-7566-453e-857b-49b1310f491e@2g2000hsn.googlegroups.com> User-Agent: tin/1.9.3-20080506 ("Dalintober") (UNIX) (Linux/2.6.26-1-486 (i686)) Lines: 17 NNTP-Posting-Host: 92.232.150.252 X-Complaints-To: http://netreport.virginmedia.com X-Trace: newsfe15.ams2 1222362494 92.232.150.252 (Thu, 25 Sep 2008 17:08:14 UTC) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 17:08:14 UTC Organization: virginmedia.com Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 17:10:49 +0100 Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15787 Frank Da Cruz wrote: > (they just can't turn around and sell it to somebody else). The licence is also prevents free distribution of a modified versions, and requires modifications to be sent to the C-kermit team. The gkermit version is open source, and does not have these restrictions. Mark. -- Mark Hobley, 393 Quinton Road West, Quinton, BIRMINGHAM. B32 1QE. From fdc@panix.com Mon Sep 29 15:40:43 2008 Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!not-for-mail From: Frank da Cruz Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: File transfer from Linux to Win XP over USB - basic questions Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 19:40:31 +0000 (UTC) Organization: PANIX Public Access Internet and UNIX, NYC Lines: 18 Message-ID: References: <0eebec1e-7566-453e-857b-49b1310f491e@2g2000hsn.googlegroups.com> <9ppsq5-8j2.ln1@neptune.markhobley.yi.org> Reply-To: fdc@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: panix3.panix.com X-Trace: reader1.panix.com 1222717231 28996 166.84.1.3 (29 Sep 2008 19:40:31 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@panix.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 19:40:31 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0 (NetBSD) Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15788 On 2008-09-25, Mark Hobley wrote: : Frank da Cruz wrote: :> (they just can't turn around and sell it to somebody else). : : The licence is also prevents free distribution of a modified versions, : and requires modifications to be sent to the C-kermit team. : And why wouldn't you want to have one single set of consistent, supportable source code, instead of a multiple of forks and branches that are all different? Support requests for Kermit come here, but if they are about a modified version that we haven't even seen, how can we support it? We've been developing and supporting C-Kermit since 1985, and all fixes are gratefully accepted. If you make a fix but you don't send it in, then the next release of C-Kermit won't have the fix you'll either be stuck with the old version, or you'll have to put the fix in again. - Frank From markhobley@hotpop.donottypethisbit.com Mon Sep 29 15:40:37 2008 Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed-00.mathworks.com!kanaga.switch.ch!switch.ch!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!feeder.erje.net!lightspeed.eweka.nl!81.171.88.16.MISMATCH!eweka.nl!hq-usenetpeers.eweka.nl!69.16.177.246.MISMATCH!cyclone03.ams.highwinds-media.com!news.highwinds-media.com!npeersf02.ams.highwinds-media.com!newsfe15.ams2.POSTED!7564ea0f!not-for-mail Message-ID: <9ppsq5-8j2.ln1@neptune.markhobley.yi.org> From: markhobley@hotpop.donottypethisbit.com (Mark Hobley) Subject: Re: File transfer from Linux to Win XP over USB - basic questions Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc References: <0eebec1e-7566-453e-857b-49b1310f491e@2g2000hsn.googlegroups.com> User-Agent: tin/1.9.3-20080506 ("Dalintober") (UNIX) (Linux/2.6.26-1-486 (i686)) Lines: 17 NNTP-Posting-Host: 92.232.150.252 X-Complaints-To: http://netreport.virginmedia.com X-Trace: newsfe15.ams2 1222362494 92.232.150.252 (Thu, 25 Sep 2008 17:08:14 UTC) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 17:08:14 UTC Organization: virginmedia.com Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 17:10:49 +0100 Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15787 Frank Da Cruz wrote: > (they just can't turn around and sell it to somebody else). The licence is also prevents free distribution of a modified versions, and requires modifications to be sent to the C-kermit team. The gkermit version is open source, and does not have these restrictions. Mark. -- Mark Hobley, 393 Quinton Road West, Quinton, BIRMINGHAM. B32 1QE. From fdc@panix.com Mon Sep 29 15:40:43 2008 Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!not-for-mail From: Frank da Cruz Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: File transfer from Linux to Win XP over USB - basic questions Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 19:40:31 +0000 (UTC) Organization: PANIX Public Access Internet and UNIX, NYC Lines: 18 Message-ID: References: <0eebec1e-7566-453e-857b-49b1310f491e@2g2000hsn.googlegroups.com> <9ppsq5-8j2.ln1@neptune.markhobley.yi.org> Reply-To: fdc@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: panix3.panix.com X-Trace: reader1.panix.com 1222717231 28996 166.84.1.3 (29 Sep 2008 19:40:31 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@panix.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 19:40:31 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0 (NetBSD) Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15788 On 2008-09-25, Mark Hobley wrote: : Frank da Cruz wrote: :> (they just can't turn around and sell it to somebody else). : : The licence is also prevents free distribution of a modified versions, : and requires modifications to be sent to the C-kermit team. : And why wouldn't you want to have one single set of consistent, supportable source code, instead of a multiple of forks and branches that are all different? Support requests for Kermit come here, but if they are about a modified version that we haven't even seen, how can we support it? We've been developing and supporting C-Kermit since 1985, and all fixes are gratefully accepted. If you make a fix but you don't send it in, then the next release of C-Kermit won't have the fix you'll either be stuck with the old version, or you'll have to put the fix in again. - Frank From nospam@lisse.na Mon Jan 12 14:10:45 2009 Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed-00.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail From: Dr Eberhard W Lisse Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: File transfer from Linux to Win XP over USB - basic questions Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2008 09:29:46 +0200 Organization: Dr Eberhard W Lisse Lines: 14 Message-ID: <49572AEA.1030307@lisse.na> References: <0eebec1e-7566-453e-857b-49b1310f491e@2g2000hsn.googlegroups.com> Reply-To: nospam@lisse.na Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: individual.net 8TfLr/4FAI+865PuTzcZ0gFUcKhiuV4z4DDKUONlnT+1WU+hes Cancel-Lock: sha1:ob7kGA9np98dErm0/sUTKfN5bis= User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (X11/20081125) In-Reply-To: <0eebec1e-7566-453e-857b-49b1310f491e@2g2000hsn.googlegroups.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.0 Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15793 Why use kermit to do this in the first place? Buy an ethernet hub or something, and use ftp. el alexander wrote: > Howdy: I'm contemplating the purchase of a notebook computer that > runs some version of Linux. Possibly Linpus. The task at hand is to > set up a cable connection between the notebook and my desktop PC, > which is running Windows XP, over which I can simply and easily > transfer files (mostly text, but perhaps binary as well) on a fairly > regular basis -- every other day or so. [...] From bonomi@host122.r-bonomi.com Fri Nov 20 17:06:10 2009 Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!news.linkpendium.com!news.linkpendium.com!news.glorb.com!npeer02.iad.highwinds-media.com!news.highwinds-media.com!feed-me.highwinds-media.com!Xl.tags.giganews.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!local2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.posted.nuvoxcommunications!news.posted.nuvoxcommunications.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 18:20:35 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: How does Kermit 95 initialize \v(desktop) References: <3e027b96-6700-4194-b611-b11ab121f064@t11g2000prh.googlegroups.com> Organization: Gizmos & Gadgets, Ltd. X-Newsreader: trn 4.0-test76 (Apr 2, 2001) From: bonomi@host122.r-bonomi.com (Robert Bonomi) Originator: bonomi@host122.r-bonomi.com (Robert Bonomi) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 18:20:35 -0500 Lines: 26 X-Usenet-Provider: http://www.giganews.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.87.227.26 X-Trace: sv3-6kppgymO7U6DAmYBpv3WzhQWG09cmH935jKIUgNskP+i35aU6fOZGitikHNYcPnEgwpPOosa2tfM/3r!FFyuG8SL4JY93WNJFJrgLU7U21O35wyClQw77HHBEhN7PxnDerPxJDaqyD8dqmysEcdh80IIJg+e!oGZag9DnVbU0uG6nDbEAlZL6Lz3CU+T+87rhCOuh5sQ= X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.40 Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15817 In article , Christian Corti wrote: >Frank da Cruz wrote: >> P.S. This is coming to you from K95 2.1.3 on Windows 7, in case you were >> wondering if this combination worked. > >Really? Yup. _Really_. > >[...] >> NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 16:25:24 +0000 (UTC) >> User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0 (NetBSD) >[...] He's using K95 on a windows box to initiate a _terminal_session_ (i.e. 'connect' mode) to the panix.com shell server box, which where he is running the newsreader program 'slrn' from the NetBSD command-line. You've just re-proven the validity of the classical description of USENET, to wit: "open mouth, insert foot. echo internationally." From Christian.Corti@studserv.uni-stuttgart.de Fri Nov 20 17:06:16 2009 Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed-00.mathworks.com!kanaga.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.belwue.de!rz.uni-karlsruhe.de!feed.news.schlund.de!schlund.de!news.online.de!not-for-mail From: Christian Corti Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: How does Kermit 95 initialize \v(desktop) Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 11:17:51 +0100 Organization: Kompetenzzentrum fyr Minimal- und Retrocomputing Lines: 10 Message-ID: References: <3e027b96-6700-4194-b611-b11ab121f064@t11g2000prh.googlegroups.com> Reply-To: cc@corti-net.de NNTP-Posting-Host: p57b516d8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de X-Trace: online.de 1256640001 5597 87.181.22.216 (27 Oct 2009 10:40:01 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@einsundeins.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 10:40:01 +0000 (UTC) Cancel-Lock: sha1:Ax01aq0cuO4CcUt+QjXWt8jmW+o= User-Agent: tin/1.9.5-20090720 ("Rieclachan") (UNIX) (Linux/2.6.26 (i686)) Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15818 Robert Bonomi wrote: > He's using K95 on a windows box to initiate a _terminal_session_ (i.e. > 'connect' mode) to the panix.com shell server box, which where he is > running the newsreader program 'slrn' from the NetBSD command-line. Ok, just wanted to be sure ;-)) (BTW I know what a terminal session is... I could do the same with my self-written Kermit for the IBM 5110) Christian From fdc@panix.com Fri Nov 20 17:06:20 2009 Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!not-for-mail From: Frank da Cruz Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: How does Kermit 95 initialize \v(desktop) Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 19:49:24 +0000 (UTC) Organization: PANIX Public Access Internet and UNIX, NYC Lines: 9 Message-ID: References: <3e027b96-6700-4194-b611-b11ab121f064@t11g2000prh.googlegroups.com> Reply-To: fdc@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: panix1.panix.com X-Trace: reader1.panix.com 1258141764 17894 166.84.1.1 (13 Nov 2009 19:49:24 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@panix.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 19:49:24 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0 (NetBSD) Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15822 On 2009-10-27, Christian Corti wrote: : (BTW I know what a terminal session is... I could do the same with my : self-written Kermit for the IBM 5110) : Did you ever send it in? : Christian - Frank From Christian.Corti@studserv.uni-stuttgart.de Fri Nov 20 17:06:26 2009 Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed-00.mathworks.com!kanaga.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.belwue.de!rz.uni-karlsruhe.de!feed.news.schlund.de!schlund.de!news.online.de!not-for-mail From: Christian Corti Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: How does Kermit 95 initialize \v(desktop) Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2009 10:58:24 +0100 Organization: Kompetenzzentrum fyr Minimal- und Retrocomputing Lines: 10 Message-ID: <0jb2t6-op6.ln1@news.online.de> References: <3e027b96-6700-4194-b611-b11ab121f064@t11g2000prh.googlegroups.com> Reply-To: cc@corti-net.de NNTP-Posting-Host: p57b51aef.dip0.t-ipconnect.de X-Trace: online.de 1258193402 7100 87.181.26.239 (14 Nov 2009 10:10:02 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@einsundeins.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2009 10:10:02 +0000 (UTC) Cancel-Lock: sha1:Xha/qZ4EJXlkV2n6xxOqpJfheyQ= User-Agent: tin/1.9.5-20090720 ("Rieclachan") (UNIX) (Linux/2.6.26 (i686)) Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15823 Frank da Cruz wrote: > On 2009-10-27, Christian Corti wrote: > : (BTW I know what a terminal session is... I could do the same with my > : self-written Kermit for the IBM 5110) > Did you ever send it in? Well, ehm, not yet ;-) But I will; I have to clean up the sources a bit and write a manual. Christian From jaltman@gmail.com Fri Nov 20 17:06:30 2009 Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!4.24.21.218.MISMATCH!newsfeed2.dallas1.level3.net!news.level3.com!postnews.google.com!q14g2000vbi.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: Jeffrey Altman Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: How does Kermit 95 initialize \v(desktop) Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 06:44:09 -0700 (PDT) Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 21 Message-ID: <7666f050-bc18-4a71-8c33-b920c13bdede@q14g2000vbi.googlegroups.com> References: <3e027b96-6700-4194-b611-b11ab121f064@t11g2000prh.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 75.193.128.249 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: posting.google.com 1256651049 16902 127.0.0.1 (27 Oct 2009 13:44:09 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 13:44:09 +0000 (UTC) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: q14g2000vbi.googlegroups.com; posting-host=75.193.128.249; posting-account=3XULYwoAAAB2uEZBxnJbb2G2z0fQ0m9P User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.0; en-US; rv:1.9.1.3) Gecko/20090824 Firefox/3.5.3 GTB5 (.NET CLR 3.5.30729),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15819 On Sep 27, 11:10=A0am, Mark Sapiro wrote: > how is \v(desktop) initialized? The value isn't initialized. It is queried each time \v(desktop) is evaluated. The source of the value is: HKCU\\SOFTWARE\\Microsoft\\Windows\\CurrentVersion\\Explorer\\Shell Folders "Desktop" If the value is of type REG_EXPAND_SZ, then the result is expanded using ExpandEnvironmentStrings(). Finally, a '/ is appended to the end of the string and all '\' characters are converted to '/'. Its not magic. Its C code. Look at the sources and you can see exactly what it does. Jeffrey Altman From slash_dev_slash_null_2000@yahoo.com Fri Nov 20 17:06:34 2009 Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!4.24.21.218.MISMATCH!newsfeed2.dallas1.level3.net!news.level3.com!postnews.google.com!f18g2000prf.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: Mark Sapiro Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: How does Kermit 95 initialize \v(desktop) Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 15:46:22 -0700 (PDT) Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 16 Message-ID: <2f030a05-17bd-4fbc-bb15-60d1be4b7e8a@f18g2000prf.googlegroups.com> References: <3e027b96-6700-4194-b611-b11ab121f064@t11g2000prh.googlegroups.com> <7666f050-bc18-4a71-8c33-b920c13bdede@q14g2000vbi.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.183.193.239 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: posting.google.com 1256856383 492 127.0.0.1 (29 Oct 2009 22:46:23 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 22:46:23 +0000 (UTC) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: f18g2000prf.googlegroups.com; posting-host=68.183.193.239; posting-account=wclt7goAAAC_K4WydXPXrO61H6DxgqEv User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.4) Gecko/20091016 Firefox/3.5.4,gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15820 On Oct 27, 6:44=A0am, Jeffrey Altman wrote: > > Its not magic. =A0Its C code. Look at the sources and you can see > exactly what it does. I didn't know I had access to any K95 sources. Where might I find them? -- (for email use this address please - you can figure it out) Mark Sapiro mark at msapiro net Any clod can have the facts; San Francisco Bay Area, California having opinions is an art. - C. McCabe, The Fearless Spectator From fdc@panix.com Fri Nov 20 17:06:37 2009 Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!not-for-mail From: Frank da Cruz Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: How does Kermit 95 initialize \v(desktop) Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 19:47:35 +0000 (UTC) Organization: PANIX Public Access Internet and UNIX, NYC Lines: 42 Message-ID: References: <3e027b96-6700-4194-b611-b11ab121f064@t11g2000prh.googlegroups.com> <7666f050-bc18-4a71-8c33-b920c13bdede@q14g2000vbi.googlegroups.com> <2f030a05-17bd-4fbc-bb15-60d1be4b7e8a@f18g2000prf.googlegroups.com> Reply-To: fdc@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: panix1.panix.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: reader1.panix.com 1258141655 17894 166.84.1.1 (13 Nov 2009 19:47:35 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@panix.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 19:47:35 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0 (NetBSD) Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15821 On 2009-10-29, Mark Sapiro wrote: : On Oct 27, 6:44 am, Jeffrey Altman wrote: :> Its not magic.  Its C code. Look at the sources and you can see :> exactly what it does. : : I didn't know I had access to any K95 sources. Where might I find : them? : Well, not all the sources, but the modules it has in common with C-Kermit, which are most of the modules. Likewise, most of the code in these modules (ck[cuw_]*.[cwh]) is common code. K95-specific code is #ifdef'd OS2 or NT. OS2??? K95 begin its life as the OS/2 version of C-Kermit, before Windows 95 came out. When Win95 appeared, it shared many of the OS/2 APIs; thus the #ifdef OS2 sections served, in large part, for Win-32 as well. The latest version of K95, 2.1.3, is available for both Windows and (if you can find it) OS/2. The OS/2 binary is separate; compatibily goes only so far. The Windows binary, on the other hand, runs on every Windows version from Windows 95 through Windows 7, excluding mini versions of Windows like Pocket PC and Windows Mobile. To answer your question, the source for GetDesktop(), which is used to evaluate \v(desktop), is not in the public modules but, as Jeff says it's a Registry query plus some string-munching. \v(desktop) is one of a group of variables that can be used to refer to special Windows directories in a uniform way, regardless of Windows version and language. These include \v(appdata), \v(exedir), \v(inidir), \v(startup), \v(tmpdir), \v(common), \v(download), \v(home), \v(personal), and \v(textdir). Of these, only \v(download) has stopped working in recent Windows version, as noted in: http://kermit.columbia.edu/k95faq.html where a workaround is also given. - Frank From fdc@panix.com Fri Nov 20 17:06:45 2009 Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!not-for-mail From: Frank da Cruz Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.os.vms Subject: C-Kermit 9.0 first Alpha test Followup-To: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 13:52:33 +0000 (UTC) Organization: PANIX Public Access Internet and UNIX, NYC Lines: 23 Message-ID: Reply-To: fdc@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: panix2.panix.com X-Trace: reader1.panix.com 1258725153 3062 166.84.1.2 (20 Nov 2009 13:52:33 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@panix.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 13:52:33 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0 (NetBSD) Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15824 comp.os.vms:514758 It's been a while since new C-Kermit code has seen the light of day in our "daily builds" area but now, against all odds, C-Kermit 9.0 is ready for testing. Here's the web page that describes it: http://kermit.columbia.edu/ck90.html The biggest change is adaptation to 64-bit platforms, and to 64-bit APIs on 32-bit platforms that have them, for transferring "large file" and to be able to use big numbers in arithmetic, have larger buffers, etc. Tons of smaller improvements, fixes, and speedups are listed in the URL. A lot of platforms that I once had access to for development and testing have vanished. I especially miss the HP Testdrive site, which was terrific (it had every conceivable OS running on every HP hardware platform -- i386, alpha, ia64, parisc...). When it was shut down, I lost access almost completely to VMS. I'll do my best to carry VMS support forward, but I'll need guest access (telnet or ssh, ftp) to VMS systems of all vintages and hardware that have C compilers. - Frank From helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de Fri Nov 20 17:06:58 2009 Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!news.linkpendium.com!news.linkpendium.com!feeder.erje.net!newsfeed.velia.net!news.tu-darmstadt.de!news.belwue.de!rz.uni-karlsruhe.de!feed.news.schlund.de!schlund.de!news.online.de!not-for-mail From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---undress to reply) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-Kermit 9.0 first Alpha test Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 14:07:01 +0000 (UTC) Organization: Multivax C&R Lines: 21 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: p4ff59daa.dip0.t-ipconnect.de X-Trace: online.de 1258726021 16570 79.245.157.170 (20 Nov 2009 14:07:01 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@einsundeins.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 14:07:01 +0000 (UTC) Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15825 In article , Frank da Cruz writes: > A lot of platforms that I once had access to for development and > testing have vanished. I especially miss the HP Testdrive site, > which was terrific (it had every conceivable OS running on every > HP hardware platform -- i386, alpha, ia64, parisc...). When it > was shut down, I lost access almost completely to VMS. I'll do > my best to carry VMS support forward, but I'll need guest access > (telnet or ssh, ftp) to VMS systems of all vintages and hardware > that have C compilers. I've never used Kermit, but I appreciate your effort. If you need a test account, let me know. I have both VAX and ALPHA running, both with C compilers. (Compilers---and OS on Alpha for that matter---are not completely up-to-date, but I plan to upgrade VMS on ALPHA and my compilers on ALPHA (maybe VAX as well if a) there is anything new and b) I can get some media) sometime within the next few months).) How hardware-specific is Kermit? From fdc@panix.com Fri Nov 20 17:07:10 2009 Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!not-for-mail From: Frank da Cruz Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-Kermit 9.0 first Alpha test Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 15:18:30 +0000 (UTC) Organization: PANIX Public Access Internet and UNIX, NYC Lines: 18 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: fdc@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: panix2.panix.com X-Trace: reader1.panix.com 1258730310 15429 166.84.1.2 (20 Nov 2009 15:18:30 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@panix.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 15:18:30 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0 (NetBSD) Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15826 On 2009-11-20, Phillip Helbig wrote: : I've never used Kermit, but I appreciate your effort. If you need a : test account, let me know. I have both VAX and ALPHA running, both with : C compilers. (Compilers---and OS on Alpha for that matter---are not : completely up-to-date, but I plan to upgrade VMS on ALPHA and my : compilers on ALPHA (maybe VAX as well if a) there is anything new and b) : I can get some media) sometime within the next few months).) : I would like to have access to anything at all. Obviously it is important to support the latest releases on the latest hardware, but it is also important to keep supporting older VMS releases, older hardware, older C compilers, and older TCP/IP stacks. : How hardware-specific is Kermit? : I would like to think: Not At All! - Frank From brooks@cuebid.usa.hp.nospam Fri Nov 20 17:07:25 2009 Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!usenet.stanford.edu!newsfeed.news.ucla.edu!ihnp4.UCSD.Edu!sdd.hp.com!usenet01.boi.hp.com!brooks From: brooks@cuebid.usa.hp.nospam (Rob Brooks) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.os.vms Subject: Re: C-Kermit 9.0 first Alpha test Followup-To: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Date: 20 Nov 2009 10:12:24 -0400 Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company Lines: 12 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: cuebid.usa.hp.com X-Trace: usenet01.boi.hp.com 1258730496 32140 16.118.72.60 (20 Nov 2009 15:21:36 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@usenet01.boi.hp.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 15:21:36 +0000 (UTC) Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15827 comp.os.vms:514763 Frank da Cruz writes: > . . . I lost access almost completely to VMS. I'll do > my best to carry VMS support forward, but I'll need guest access > (telnet or ssh, ftp) to VMS systems of all vintages and hardware > that have C compilers. eisner.decus.org, a volunteer-run system, is an Alpha running V8.3. It has a slew of compilers, and access is free. -- Rob Brooks MSL -- Marlborough, MA brooks!cuebid.usa.hp.com From gartmann@nonsense.immunbio.mpg.de Fri Nov 20 17:07:29 2009 Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!news.linkpendium.com!news.linkpendium.com!feeder.erje.net!newsfeed.velia.net!news.tu-darmstadt.de!news.belwue.de!immunbio.mpg.de!GARTMANN From: gartmann@nonsense.immunbio.mpg.de (Christoph Gartmann) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-Kermit 9.0 first Alpha test Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 15:33:10 +0000 (UTC) Organization: Max-Planck-Institut f. Immunbiologie Lines: 21 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: gartmann@nonsense.immunbio.mpg.de NNTP-Posting-Host: mpi7.immunbio.mpg.de X-Trace: news.belwue.de 1258731190 7470 192.129.30.7 (20 Nov 2009 15:33:10 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@news.belwue.de NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 15:33:10 +0000 (UTC) Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15828 In article , brooks@cuebid.usa.hp.nospam (Rob Brooks) writes: >Frank da Cruz writes: >> . . . I lost access almost completely to VMS. I'll do >> my best to carry VMS support forward, but I'll need guest access >> (telnet or ssh, ftp) to VMS systems of all vintages and hardware >> that have C compilers. > >eisner.decus.org, a volunteer-run system, is an Alpha running V8.3. >It has a slew of compilers, and access is free. The deathrow cluster (http://deathrow.vistech.net/) would be an option as well. Regards, Christoph Gartmann -- Max-Planck-Institut fuer Phone : +49-761-5108-464 Fax: -80464 Immunbiologie Postfach 1169 Internet: gartmann@immunbio dot mpg dot de D-79011 Freiburg, Germany http://www.immunbio.mpg.de/home/menue.html From gxys@uk2.net Fri Nov 20 17:07:32 2009 Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!4.24.21.218.MISMATCH!newsfeed2.dallas1.level3.net!news.level3.com!postnews.google.com!j19g2000yqk.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: IanMiller Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-Kermit 9.0 first Alpha test Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 07:46:20 -0800 (PST) Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 17 Message-ID: <67084b64-ab05-46e6-b9d8-56584d59de51@j19g2000yqk.googlegroups.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 80.47.206.236 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: posting.google.com 1258731981 6469 127.0.0.1 (20 Nov 2009 15:46:21 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 15:46:21 +0000 (UTC) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: j19g2000yqk.googlegroups.com; posting-host=80.47.206.236; posting-account=xnH4mQkAAADgGjKHSw0dMDzsXknFp5II User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-GB; rv:1.9.1.5) Gecko/20091102 Firefox/3.5.5 (.NET CLR 3.5.30729),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15829 On 20 Nov, 14:12, bro...@cuebid.usa.hp.nospam (Rob Brooks) wrote: > Frank da Cruz writes: > > > . . . =A0I lost access almost completely to VMS. =A0I'll do > > my best to carry VMS support forward, but I'll need guest access > > (telnet or ssh, ftp) to VMS systems of all vintages and hardware > > that have C compilers. > > eisner.decus.org, a volunteer-run system, is an Alpha running V8.3. > It has a slew of compilers, and access is free. > > -- > > Rob Brooks =A0 =A0MSL -- Marlborough, MA =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0brooks!cu= ebid.usa.hp.com VAX and Alpha are available on Deathrow http://deathrow.vistech.net/ From sean@obanion.us Fri Nov 20 17:07:35 2009 Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!4.24.21.218.MISMATCH!newsfeed2.dallas1.level3.net!news.level3.com!postnews.google.com!d5g2000yqm.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: Curlsman Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-Kermit 9.0 first Alpha test Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 08:04:22 -0800 (PST) Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 21 Message-ID: <2e9ee772-6229-459d-85f5-4d1b3bd2d70a@d5g2000yqm.googlegroups.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 75.201.173.73 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: posting.google.com 1258733062 22905 127.0.0.1 (20 Nov 2009 16:04:22 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 16:04:22 +0000 (UTC) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: d5g2000yqm.googlegroups.com; posting-host=75.201.173.73; posting-account=Al2ysgoAAAB-JHhVFX7KwWCW-O2QOVQz User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X 10_5_8; en-us) AppleWebKit/531.9 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/4.0.3 Safari/531.9,gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15830 On Nov 20, 6:12=A0am, bro...@cuebid.usa.hp.nospam (Rob Brooks) wrote: > Frank da Cruz writes: > > > . . . =A0I lost access almost completely to VMS. =A0I'll do > > my best to carry VMS support forward, but I'll need guest access > > (telnet or ssh, ftp) to VMS systems of all vintages and hardware > > that have C compilers. > > eisner.decus.org, a volunteer-run system, is an Alpha running V8.3. > It has a slew of compilers, and access is free. > > -- > > Rob Brooks =A0 =A0MSL -- Marlborough, MA =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0brooks!cu= ebid.usa.hp.com For VAX you might try a SIMH emulator with a hobbyest license (which includes compilers). Sean From gxys@uk2.net Fri Nov 20 17:07:40 2009 Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!usenet.stanford.edu!postnews.google.com!k19g2000yqc.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: IanMiller Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-Kermit 9.0 first Alpha test Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 08:20:04 -0800 (PST) Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 18 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 80.47.206.236 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: posting.google.com 1258734005 28907 127.0.0.1 (20 Nov 2009 16:20:05 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 16:20:05 +0000 (UTC) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: k19g2000yqc.googlegroups.com; posting-host=80.47.206.236; posting-account=xnH4mQkAAADgGjKHSw0dMDzsXknFp5II User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-GB; rv:1.9.1.5) Gecko/20091102 Firefox/3.5.5 (.NET CLR 3.5.30729),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15831 On 20 Nov, 14:12, bro...@cuebid.usa.hp.nospam (Rob Brooks) wrote: > Frank da Cruz writes: > > > . . . =A0I lost access almost completely to VMS. =A0I'll do > > my best to carry VMS support forward, but I'll need guest access > > (telnet or ssh, ftp) to VMS systems of all vintages and hardware > > that have C compilers. > > eisner.decus.org, a volunteer-run system, is an Alpha running V8.3. > It has a slew of compilers, and access is free. > > -- > > Rob Brooks =A0 =A0MSL -- Marlborough, MA =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0brooks!cu= ebid.usa.hp.com See also deathrow.vistech.net for a alpha and a VAX From sms.antinode@gmail.com Fri Nov 20 17:07:43 2009 Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!4.24.21.218.MISMATCH!newsfeed2.dallas1.level3.net!news.level3.com!postnews.google.com!l2g2000yqd.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: Steven Schweda Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-Kermit 9.0 first Alpha test Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 08:44:50 -0800 (PST) Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 61 Message-ID: <877a104f-89a0-4c2d-938c-9bf79f902a43@l2g2000yqd.googlegroups.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.98.249.184 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Trace: posting.google.com 1258735490 27465 127.0.0.1 (20 Nov 2009 16:44:50 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 16:44:50 +0000 (UTC) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: l2g2000yqd.googlegroups.com; posting-host=209.98.249.184; posting-account=OjKUgAkAAAAXAqdVEKd-Gc8RltEUx3Xq User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; OpenVMS COMPAQ_Professional_Workstation; en-US; rv:1.8.1.17) Gecko/20081029 SeaMonkey/1.1.12,gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15832 Frank da Cruz wrote: > [...] > http://kermit.columbia.edu/ck90.html > [...] There are a few more things to look into, but for a start: ALP $ gdiff -u ckuusy.c_orig ckuusy.c --- ckuusy.c_orig 2009-11-18 16:16:07 -0600 +++ ckuusy.c 2009-11-20 10:26:12 -0600 @@ -3606,8 +3606,8 @@ failmsg = "%CKERMIT-E-SEARCHFAIL, no files for - s"; #else failmsg = "No files for -s"; - } #endif /* VMS */ + } XFATAL(failmsg); } if (z > 1) { @@ -4742,8 +4742,3 @@ } } #endif /* NOCMDL */ - -#ifdef VMS -/* This is the most horrible hack ever */ -} -#endif /* VMS */ (Well if it wasn't, it certainly was in the running.) I can't remember if these are old or new (or fixed before or not): Compiling ALP$DKA0:[UTILITY.SOURCE.KERMIT.v9r0_2009-11-20]CKUATH.C #define des_cblock DES_cblock ...................^ %CC-W-MACROREDEF, The redefinition of the macro "des_cblock" conflicts with a cu rrent definition because the replacement lists differ. The redefinition is now in effect. at line number 131 in file SSL$ROOT:[INCLUDE]DES_OLD.H;1 #define des_key_schedule DES_key_schedule .........................^ %CC-W-MACROREDEF, The redefinition of the macro "des_key_schedule" conflicts wit h a current definition because the replacement lists differ. The redefinition i s now in effect. at line number 133 in file SSL$ROOT:[INCLUDE]DES_OLD.H;1 I'll try to look at it when I get a chance. From fdc@panix.com Fri Nov 20 17:07:46 2009 Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!not-for-mail From: Frank da Cruz Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-Kermit 9.0 first Alpha test Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 17:50:44 +0000 (UTC) Organization: PANIX Public Access Internet and UNIX, NYC Lines: 46 Message-ID: References: <877a104f-89a0-4c2d-938c-9bf79f902a43@l2g2000yqd.googlegroups.com> Reply-To: fdc@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: panix2.panix.com X-Trace: reader1.panix.com 1258739444 22799 166.84.1.2 (20 Nov 2009 17:50:44 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@panix.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 17:50:44 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0 (NetBSD) Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15833 On 2009-11-20, Steven Schweda wrote: : Frank da Cruz wrote: : There are a few more things to look into, but for a start: : : ALP $ gdiff -u ckuusy.c_orig ckuusy.c : Thanks, I was staring right at that spot without seeing it. I should have put on my special #ifdef glasses... : #endif /* NOCMDL */ : - : -#ifdef VMS : -/* This is the most horrible hack ever */ : -} : -#endif /* VMS */ : : (Well if it wasn't, it certainly was in the running.) : In the edit history I mentioned the "old LISP trick", I don't know if anybody still remembers it but if your LISP program didn't "compile", you put a card full of right parens at the end and it fed it through the reader again. : I can't remember if these are old or new (or fixed before or not): : : #define des_cblock DES_cblock : ...................^ : %CC-W-MACROREDEF, The redefinition of the macro "des_cblock" conflicts : with a current definition because the replacement lists differ... : I'm not sure why this is even being picked up unless a secure build is being attempted. In that case, there are some things to be aware of. First, OpenSSL changed the names of the DES routines between 0.9.6 and 0.9.7; it might be necessary to add -DOPENSSL_097 to the CC flags. Second (probably not relevant in this case), OS vendors are starting to remove DES encryption from all their products. : I'll try to look at it when I get a chance. : Thanks. I didn't even have an opportunity to try a VMS build until yesterday. When I finally got it to compile at the last minute I tried an FTP command but got the external FTP rather than the built-in one, even though your code is there. I must have missed a command-line option in the build. - Frank From slash_dev_slash_null_2000@yahoo.com Fri Nov 20 17:07:48 2009 Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!4.24.21.218.MISMATCH!newsfeed2.dallas1.level3.net!news.level3.com!postnews.google.com!v15g2000prn.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: Mark Sapiro Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-Kermit 9.0 first Alpha test Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 13:29:22 -0800 (PST) Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 247 Message-ID: <097c19d2-fb3e-4cdb-b5f8-251459e7e9ee@v15g2000prn.googlegroups.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.183.193.239 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: posting.google.com 1258752563 31256 127.0.0.1 (20 Nov 2009 21:29:23 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 21:29:23 +0000 (UTC) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: v15g2000prn.googlegroups.com; posting-host=68.183.193.239; posting-account=wclt7goAAAC_K4WydXPXrO61H6DxgqEv User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.5) Gecko/20091102 Firefox/3.5.5 (.NET CLR 3.5.30729),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15834 On Nov 20, 5:52=A0am, Frank da Cruz wrote: > It's been a while since new C-Kermit code has seen the light > of day in our "daily builds" area but now, against all odds, > C-Kermit 9.0 is ready for testing. =A0Here's the web page that > describes it: > > =A0http://kermit.columbia.edu/ck90.html It makes cleanly on CentOS 5 with "make linux" and seems to work fine. On fog:$ uname -a HP-UX fog B.11.23 U ia64 1361301988 unlimited-user license with fog:$ cc --version cc: HP C/aC++ B3910B A.06.15 [May 16 2007] make hpux1100o+ KFLAGS=3D-DCK_INI_B issues several compile warnings listed below. These did not occur when I originally made C-Kermit 8.0.212 Dev.26, 20 Dec 2006, for HP-UX 11.00 but that was apparently with a less fussy compiler. I just remade that source on the above box/compiler, and with the exception of three of the "function was declared but never referenced" warnings, I got all the below and several others. Interestingly, the HP-UX binaries made by this compiler and its libraries are about twice the size of the one I made in Jan, 2007. "ckuusr.c", line 7486: warning #2177-D: label "havehost" was declared but never referenced havehost: /* Come here with s -> host */ ^ "ckuus4.c", line 6951: warning #4277-D: logical AND with a constant, do you mean to use '&'? if (flags && INPSW_COU) { /* INPUT /COUNT */ ^ "ckuus6.c", line 628: warning #2177-D: function "doymdir" was declared but never referenced _PROTOTYP(static int doymdir,(int)); ^ "ckuus7.c", line 9807: warning #2177-D: label "xcx_net" was declared but never referenced xcx_net: ^ "ckuus7.c", line 10098: warning #2177-D: label "xcx_serial" was declared but never referenced xcx_serial: ^ "ckcfns.c", line 2498: warning #2940-D: missing return statement at end of non-void function "xgnbyte" } ^ "ckutio.c", line 2334: warning #3197-D: the prototype declaration of "char *ctermid(char *)" (declared at line 522 of "/usr/include/stdio.h") is ignored after this unprototyped redeclaration extern char *ctermid(); /* Wish they all had this! */ ^ "ckutio.c", line 11836: warning #3197-D: the prototype declaration of "char *asctime(const struct tm *)" (declared at line 256 of "/usr/include/sys/time.h") is ignored after this unprototyped redeclaration char *asctime(); ^ "ckutio.c", line 11837: warning #3197-D: the prototype declaration of "struct tm *localtime(const time_t *)" (declared at line 283 of "/usr/include/sys/time.h") is ignored after this unprototyped redeclaration struct tm *localtime(); ^ "ckutio.c", line 14476: warning #2177-D: function "sigchld_handler" was declared but never referenced sigchld_handler(sig) int sig; { ^ "ckutio.c", line 12099: warning #2177-D: function "congetbuf" was declared but never referenced congetbuf(x) int x; { ^ "ckutio.c", line 14351: warning #2177-D: function "pty_chk" was declared but never referenced pty_chk(fd) int fd; { ^ "ckufio.c", line 2641: warning #2177-D: label "doaccess" was declared but never referenced doaccess: ^ "ckufio.c", line 4655: warning #3197-D: the prototype declaration of "struct tm *localtime(const time_t *)" (declared at line 283 of "/usr/include/sys/time.h") is ignored after this unprototyped redeclaration struct tm * localtime(); ^ "ckufio.c", line 4809: warning #3197-D: the prototype declaration of "struct tm *localtime(const time_t *)" (declared at line 283 of "/usr/include/sys/time.h") is ignored after this unprototyped redeclaration extern struct tm * localtime(); ^ "ckufio.c", line 5093: warning #3197-D: the prototype declaration of "struct tm *localtime(const time_t *)" (declared at line 283 of "/usr/include/sys/time.h") is ignored after this unprototyped redeclaration extern struct tm * localtime(); ^ "ckufio.c", line 5312: warning #3197-D: the prototype declaration of "int utime(const char *, const struct utimbuf *)" (declared at line 34 of "/usr/include/utime.h") is ignored after this unprototyped redeclaration extern int utime(); ^ "ckufio.c", line 6088: warning #3197-D: the prototype declaration of "DIR *opendir(const char *)" (declared at line 187 of "/usr/include/sys/dirent.h") is ignored after this unprototyped redeclaration DIR *fd, *opendir(); ^ "ckufio.c", line 6090: warning #3197-D: the prototype declaration of "struct dirent *readdir(DIR *)" (declared at line 188 of "/usr/include/sys/dirent.h") is ignored after this unprototyped redeclaration struct dirent *readdir(); ^ "ckudia.c", line 4996: warning #2236-D: controlling expression is constant if (lbuf && *lbuf) { ^ "ckcnet.c", line 3442: warning #4232-D: conversion from "struct sockaddr *" to a more strictly aligned type "struct sockaddr_in *" may cause misaligned access sin =3D (struct sockaddr_in *) &dns_addrs[0]; ^ "ckcnet.c", line 7407: warning #2068-D: integer conversion resulted in a change of sign cp[2] =3D '\377'; ^ "ckcnet.c", line 7408: warning #2068-D: integer conversion resulted in a change of sign cp[3] =3D '\377'; ^ "ckcnet.c", line 13511: warning #4232-D: conversion from "struct sockaddr *" to a more strictly aligned type "struct sockaddr_in *" may cause misaligned access sin =3D (struct sockaddr_in *) &addr[nout++]; ^ "ckcftp.c", line 15599: warning #2177-D: label "notemp" was declared but never referenced notemp: ^ "ckcftp.c", line 14512: warning #2177-D: function "fts_cpl" was declared but never referenced fts_cpl(x) int x; { ^ "ckcftp.c", line 14472: warning #2177-D: function "fts_dpl" was declared but never referenced fts_dpl(x) int x; { ^ "ckcftp.c", line 2000: warning #2177-D: function "xprintc" was declared but never referenced xprintc(char c) ^ "ckcftp.c", line 2010: warning #2177-D: function "bytswap" was declared but never referenced bytswap(c0,c1) int * c0, * c1; { ^ "ckcftp.c", line 8590: warning #2177-D: function "shopl" was declared but never referenced shopl(x) int x; { ^ -- (for email use this address please - you can figure it out) Mark Sapiro mark at msapiro net Any clod can have the facts; San Francisco Bay Area, California having opinions is an art. - C. McCabe, The Fearless Spectator From bonomi@host122.r-bonomi.com Fri Nov 20 17:06:10 2009 Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!news.linkpendium.com!news.linkpendium.com!news.glorb.com!npeer02.iad.highwinds-media.com!news.highwinds-media.com!feed-me.highwinds-media.com!Xl.tags.giganews.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!local2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.posted.nuvoxcommunications!news.posted.nuvoxcommunications.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 18:20:35 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: How does Kermit 95 initialize \v(desktop) References: <3e027b96-6700-4194-b611-b11ab121f064@t11g2000prh.googlegroups.com> Organization: Gizmos & Gadgets, Ltd. X-Newsreader: trn 4.0-test76 (Apr 2, 2001) From: bonomi@host122.r-bonomi.com (Robert Bonomi) Originator: bonomi@host122.r-bonomi.com (Robert Bonomi) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 18:20:35 -0500 Lines: 26 X-Usenet-Provider: http://www.giganews.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.87.227.26 X-Trace: sv3-6kppgymO7U6DAmYBpv3WzhQWG09cmH935jKIUgNskP+i35aU6fOZGitikHNYcPnEgwpPOosa2tfM/3r!FFyuG8SL4JY93WNJFJrgLU7U21O35wyClQw77HHBEhN7PxnDerPxJDaqyD8dqmysEcdh80IIJg+e!oGZag9DnVbU0uG6nDbEAlZL6Lz3CU+T+87rhCOuh5sQ= X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.40 Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15817 In article , Christian Corti wrote: >Frank da Cruz wrote: >> P.S. This is coming to you from K95 2.1.3 on Windows 7, in case you were >> wondering if this combination worked. > >Really? Yup. _Really_. > >[...] >> NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 16:25:24 +0000 (UTC) >> User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0 (NetBSD) >[...] He's using K95 on a windows box to initiate a _terminal_session_ (i.e. 'connect' mode) to the panix.com shell server box, which where he is running the newsreader program 'slrn' from the NetBSD command-line. You've just re-proven the validity of the classical description of USENET, to wit: "open mouth, insert foot. echo internationally." From Christian.Corti@studserv.uni-stuttgart.de Fri Nov 20 17:06:16 2009 Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed-00.mathworks.com!kanaga.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.belwue.de!rz.uni-karlsruhe.de!feed.news.schlund.de!schlund.de!news.online.de!not-for-mail From: Christian Corti Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: How does Kermit 95 initialize \v(desktop) Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 11:17:51 +0100 Organization: Kompetenzzentrum fyr Minimal- und Retrocomputing Lines: 10 Message-ID: References: <3e027b96-6700-4194-b611-b11ab121f064@t11g2000prh.googlegroups.com> Reply-To: cc@corti-net.de NNTP-Posting-Host: p57b516d8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de X-Trace: online.de 1256640001 5597 87.181.22.216 (27 Oct 2009 10:40:01 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@einsundeins.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 10:40:01 +0000 (UTC) Cancel-Lock: sha1:Ax01aq0cuO4CcUt+QjXWt8jmW+o= User-Agent: tin/1.9.5-20090720 ("Rieclachan") (UNIX) (Linux/2.6.26 (i686)) Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15818 Robert Bonomi wrote: > He's using K95 on a windows box to initiate a _terminal_session_ (i.e. > 'connect' mode) to the panix.com shell server box, which where he is > running the newsreader program 'slrn' from the NetBSD command-line. Ok, just wanted to be sure ;-)) (BTW I know what a terminal session is... I could do the same with my self-written Kermit for the IBM 5110) Christian From fdc@panix.com Fri Nov 20 17:06:20 2009 Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!not-for-mail From: Frank da Cruz Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: How does Kermit 95 initialize \v(desktop) Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 19:49:24 +0000 (UTC) Organization: PANIX Public Access Internet and UNIX, NYC Lines: 9 Message-ID: References: <3e027b96-6700-4194-b611-b11ab121f064@t11g2000prh.googlegroups.com> Reply-To: fdc@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: panix1.panix.com X-Trace: reader1.panix.com 1258141764 17894 166.84.1.1 (13 Nov 2009 19:49:24 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@panix.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 19:49:24 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0 (NetBSD) Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15822 On 2009-10-27, Christian Corti wrote: : (BTW I know what a terminal session is... I could do the same with my : self-written Kermit for the IBM 5110) : Did you ever send it in? : Christian - Frank From Christian.Corti@studserv.uni-stuttgart.de Fri Nov 20 17:06:26 2009 Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed-00.mathworks.com!kanaga.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.belwue.de!rz.uni-karlsruhe.de!feed.news.schlund.de!schlund.de!news.online.de!not-for-mail From: Christian Corti Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: How does Kermit 95 initialize \v(desktop) Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2009 10:58:24 +0100 Organization: Kompetenzzentrum fyr Minimal- und Retrocomputing Lines: 10 Message-ID: <0jb2t6-op6.ln1@news.online.de> References: <3e027b96-6700-4194-b611-b11ab121f064@t11g2000prh.googlegroups.com> Reply-To: cc@corti-net.de NNTP-Posting-Host: p57b51aef.dip0.t-ipconnect.de X-Trace: online.de 1258193402 7100 87.181.26.239 (14 Nov 2009 10:10:02 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@einsundeins.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2009 10:10:02 +0000 (UTC) Cancel-Lock: sha1:Xha/qZ4EJXlkV2n6xxOqpJfheyQ= User-Agent: tin/1.9.5-20090720 ("Rieclachan") (UNIX) (Linux/2.6.26 (i686)) Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15823 Frank da Cruz wrote: > On 2009-10-27, Christian Corti wrote: > : (BTW I know what a terminal session is... I could do the same with my > : self-written Kermit for the IBM 5110) > Did you ever send it in? Well, ehm, not yet ;-) But I will; I have to clean up the sources a bit and write a manual. Christian From jaltman@gmail.com Fri Nov 20 17:06:30 2009 Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!4.24.21.218.MISMATCH!newsfeed2.dallas1.level3.net!news.level3.com!postnews.google.com!q14g2000vbi.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: Jeffrey Altman Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: How does Kermit 95 initialize \v(desktop) Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 06:44:09 -0700 (PDT) Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 21 Message-ID: <7666f050-bc18-4a71-8c33-b920c13bdede@q14g2000vbi.googlegroups.com> References: <3e027b96-6700-4194-b611-b11ab121f064@t11g2000prh.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 75.193.128.249 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: posting.google.com 1256651049 16902 127.0.0.1 (27 Oct 2009 13:44:09 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 13:44:09 +0000 (UTC) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: q14g2000vbi.googlegroups.com; posting-host=75.193.128.249; posting-account=3XULYwoAAAB2uEZBxnJbb2G2z0fQ0m9P User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.0; en-US; rv:1.9.1.3) Gecko/20090824 Firefox/3.5.3 GTB5 (.NET CLR 3.5.30729),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15819 On Sep 27, 11:10=A0am, Mark Sapiro wrote: > how is \v(desktop) initialized? The value isn't initialized. It is queried each time \v(desktop) is evaluated. The source of the value is: HKCU\\SOFTWARE\\Microsoft\\Windows\\CurrentVersion\\Explorer\\Shell Folders "Desktop" If the value is of type REG_EXPAND_SZ, then the result is expanded using ExpandEnvironmentStrings(). Finally, a '/ is appended to the end of the string and all '\' characters are converted to '/'. Its not magic. Its C code. Look at the sources and you can see exactly what it does. Jeffrey Altman From slash_dev_slash_null_2000@yahoo.com Fri Nov 20 17:06:34 2009 Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!4.24.21.218.MISMATCH!newsfeed2.dallas1.level3.net!news.level3.com!postnews.google.com!f18g2000prf.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: Mark Sapiro Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: How does Kermit 95 initialize \v(desktop) Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 15:46:22 -0700 (PDT) Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 16 Message-ID: <2f030a05-17bd-4fbc-bb15-60d1be4b7e8a@f18g2000prf.googlegroups.com> References: <3e027b96-6700-4194-b611-b11ab121f064@t11g2000prh.googlegroups.com> <7666f050-bc18-4a71-8c33-b920c13bdede@q14g2000vbi.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.183.193.239 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: posting.google.com 1256856383 492 127.0.0.1 (29 Oct 2009 22:46:23 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 22:46:23 +0000 (UTC) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: f18g2000prf.googlegroups.com; posting-host=68.183.193.239; posting-account=wclt7goAAAC_K4WydXPXrO61H6DxgqEv User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.4) Gecko/20091016 Firefox/3.5.4,gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15820 On Oct 27, 6:44=A0am, Jeffrey Altman wrote: > > Its not magic. =A0Its C code. Look at the sources and you can see > exactly what it does. I didn't know I had access to any K95 sources. Where might I find them? -- (for email use this address please - you can figure it out) Mark Sapiro mark at msapiro net Any clod can have the facts; San Francisco Bay Area, California having opinions is an art. - C. McCabe, The Fearless Spectator From fdc@panix.com Fri Nov 20 17:06:37 2009 Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!not-for-mail From: Frank da Cruz Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: How does Kermit 95 initialize \v(desktop) Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 19:47:35 +0000 (UTC) Organization: PANIX Public Access Internet and UNIX, NYC Lines: 42 Message-ID: References: <3e027b96-6700-4194-b611-b11ab121f064@t11g2000prh.googlegroups.com> <7666f050-bc18-4a71-8c33-b920c13bdede@q14g2000vbi.googlegroups.com> <2f030a05-17bd-4fbc-bb15-60d1be4b7e8a@f18g2000prf.googlegroups.com> Reply-To: fdc@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: panix1.panix.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: reader1.panix.com 1258141655 17894 166.84.1.1 (13 Nov 2009 19:47:35 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@panix.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 19:47:35 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0 (NetBSD) Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15821 On 2009-10-29, Mark Sapiro wrote: : On Oct 27, 6:44 am, Jeffrey Altman wrote: :> Its not magic.  Its C code. Look at the sources and you can see :> exactly what it does. : : I didn't know I had access to any K95 sources. Where might I find : them? : Well, not all the sources, but the modules it has in common with C-Kermit, which are most of the modules. Likewise, most of the code in these modules (ck[cuw_]*.[cwh]) is common code. K95-specific code is #ifdef'd OS2 or NT. OS2??? K95 begin its life as the OS/2 version of C-Kermit, before Windows 95 came out. When Win95 appeared, it shared many of the OS/2 APIs; thus the #ifdef OS2 sections served, in large part, for Win-32 as well. The latest version of K95, 2.1.3, is available for both Windows and (if you can find it) OS/2. The OS/2 binary is separate; compatibily goes only so far. The Windows binary, on the other hand, runs on every Windows version from Windows 95 through Windows 7, excluding mini versions of Windows like Pocket PC and Windows Mobile. To answer your question, the source for GetDesktop(), which is used to evaluate \v(desktop), is not in the public modules but, as Jeff says it's a Registry query plus some string-munching. \v(desktop) is one of a group of variables that can be used to refer to special Windows directories in a uniform way, regardless of Windows version and language. These include \v(appdata), \v(exedir), \v(inidir), \v(startup), \v(tmpdir), \v(common), \v(download), \v(home), \v(personal), and \v(textdir). Of these, only \v(download) has stopped working in recent Windows version, as noted in: http://kermit.columbia.edu/k95faq.html where a workaround is also given. - Frank From fdc@panix.com Fri Nov 20 17:06:45 2009 Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!not-for-mail From: Frank da Cruz Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.os.vms Subject: C-Kermit 9.0 first Alpha test Followup-To: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 13:52:33 +0000 (UTC) Organization: PANIX Public Access Internet and UNIX, NYC Lines: 23 Message-ID: Reply-To: fdc@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: panix2.panix.com X-Trace: reader1.panix.com 1258725153 3062 166.84.1.2 (20 Nov 2009 13:52:33 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@panix.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 13:52:33 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0 (NetBSD) Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15824 comp.os.vms:514758 It's been a while since new C-Kermit code has seen the light of day in our "daily builds" area but now, against all odds, C-Kermit 9.0 is ready for testing. Here's the web page that describes it: http://kermit.columbia.edu/ck90.html The biggest change is adaptation to 64-bit platforms, and to 64-bit APIs on 32-bit platforms that have them, for transferring "large file" and to be able to use big numbers in arithmetic, have larger buffers, etc. Tons of smaller improvements, fixes, and speedups are listed in the URL. A lot of platforms that I once had access to for development and testing have vanished. I especially miss the HP Testdrive site, which was terrific (it had every conceivable OS running on every HP hardware platform -- i386, alpha, ia64, parisc...). When it was shut down, I lost access almost completely to VMS. I'll do my best to carry VMS support forward, but I'll need guest access (telnet or ssh, ftp) to VMS systems of all vintages and hardware that have C compilers. - Frank From helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de Fri Nov 20 17:06:58 2009 Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!news.linkpendium.com!news.linkpendium.com!feeder.erje.net!newsfeed.velia.net!news.tu-darmstadt.de!news.belwue.de!rz.uni-karlsruhe.de!feed.news.schlund.de!schlund.de!news.online.de!not-for-mail From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---undress to reply) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-Kermit 9.0 first Alpha test Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 14:07:01 +0000 (UTC) Organization: Multivax C&R Lines: 21 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: p4ff59daa.dip0.t-ipconnect.de X-Trace: online.de 1258726021 16570 79.245.157.170 (20 Nov 2009 14:07:01 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@einsundeins.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 14:07:01 +0000 (UTC) Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15825 In article , Frank da Cruz writes: > A lot of platforms that I once had access to for development and > testing have vanished. I especially miss the HP Testdrive site, > which was terrific (it had every conceivable OS running on every > HP hardware platform -- i386, alpha, ia64, parisc...). When it > was shut down, I lost access almost completely to VMS. I'll do > my best to carry VMS support forward, but I'll need guest access > (telnet or ssh, ftp) to VMS systems of all vintages and hardware > that have C compilers. I've never used Kermit, but I appreciate your effort. If you need a test account, let me know. I have both VAX and ALPHA running, both with C compilers. (Compilers---and OS on Alpha for that matter---are not completely up-to-date, but I plan to upgrade VMS on ALPHA and my compilers on ALPHA (maybe VAX as well if a) there is anything new and b) I can get some media) sometime within the next few months).) How hardware-specific is Kermit? From fdc@panix.com Fri Nov 20 17:07:10 2009 Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!not-for-mail From: Frank da Cruz Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-Kermit 9.0 first Alpha test Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 15:18:30 +0000 (UTC) Organization: PANIX Public Access Internet and UNIX, NYC Lines: 18 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: fdc@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: panix2.panix.com X-Trace: reader1.panix.com 1258730310 15429 166.84.1.2 (20 Nov 2009 15:18:30 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@panix.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 15:18:30 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0 (NetBSD) Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15826 On 2009-11-20, Phillip Helbig wrote: : I've never used Kermit, but I appreciate your effort. If you need a : test account, let me know. I have both VAX and ALPHA running, both with : C compilers. (Compilers---and OS on Alpha for that matter---are not : completely up-to-date, but I plan to upgrade VMS on ALPHA and my : compilers on ALPHA (maybe VAX as well if a) there is anything new and b) : I can get some media) sometime within the next few months).) : I would like to have access to anything at all. Obviously it is important to support the latest releases on the latest hardware, but it is also important to keep supporting older VMS releases, older hardware, older C compilers, and older TCP/IP stacks. : How hardware-specific is Kermit? : I would like to think: Not At All! - Frank From brooks@cuebid.usa.hp.nospam Fri Nov 20 17:07:25 2009 Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!usenet.stanford.edu!newsfeed.news.ucla.edu!ihnp4.UCSD.Edu!sdd.hp.com!usenet01.boi.hp.com!brooks From: brooks@cuebid.usa.hp.nospam (Rob Brooks) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.os.vms Subject: Re: C-Kermit 9.0 first Alpha test Followup-To: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Date: 20 Nov 2009 10:12:24 -0400 Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company Lines: 12 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: cuebid.usa.hp.com X-Trace: usenet01.boi.hp.com 1258730496 32140 16.118.72.60 (20 Nov 2009 15:21:36 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@usenet01.boi.hp.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 15:21:36 +0000 (UTC) Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15827 comp.os.vms:514763 Frank da Cruz writes: > . . . I lost access almost completely to VMS. I'll do > my best to carry VMS support forward, but I'll need guest access > (telnet or ssh, ftp) to VMS systems of all vintages and hardware > that have C compilers. eisner.decus.org, a volunteer-run system, is an Alpha running V8.3. It has a slew of compilers, and access is free. -- Rob Brooks MSL -- Marlborough, MA brooks!cuebid.usa.hp.com From gartmann@nonsense.immunbio.mpg.de Fri Nov 20 17:07:29 2009 Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!news.linkpendium.com!news.linkpendium.com!feeder.erje.net!newsfeed.velia.net!news.tu-darmstadt.de!news.belwue.de!immunbio.mpg.de!GARTMANN From: gartmann@nonsense.immunbio.mpg.de (Christoph Gartmann) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-Kermit 9.0 first Alpha test Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 15:33:10 +0000 (UTC) Organization: Max-Planck-Institut f. Immunbiologie Lines: 21 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: gartmann@nonsense.immunbio.mpg.de NNTP-Posting-Host: mpi7.immunbio.mpg.de X-Trace: news.belwue.de 1258731190 7470 192.129.30.7 (20 Nov 2009 15:33:10 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@news.belwue.de NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 15:33:10 +0000 (UTC) Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15828 In article , brooks@cuebid.usa.hp.nospam (Rob Brooks) writes: >Frank da Cruz writes: >> . . . I lost access almost completely to VMS. I'll do >> my best to carry VMS support forward, but I'll need guest access >> (telnet or ssh, ftp) to VMS systems of all vintages and hardware >> that have C compilers. > >eisner.decus.org, a volunteer-run system, is an Alpha running V8.3. >It has a slew of compilers, and access is free. The deathrow cluster (http://deathrow.vistech.net/) would be an option as well. Regards, Christoph Gartmann -- Max-Planck-Institut fuer Phone : +49-761-5108-464 Fax: -80464 Immunbiologie Postfach 1169 Internet: gartmann@immunbio dot mpg dot de D-79011 Freiburg, Germany http://www.immunbio.mpg.de/home/menue.html From gxys@uk2.net Fri Nov 20 17:07:32 2009 Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!4.24.21.218.MISMATCH!newsfeed2.dallas1.level3.net!news.level3.com!postnews.google.com!j19g2000yqk.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: IanMiller Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-Kermit 9.0 first Alpha test Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 07:46:20 -0800 (PST) Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 17 Message-ID: <67084b64-ab05-46e6-b9d8-56584d59de51@j19g2000yqk.googlegroups.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 80.47.206.236 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: posting.google.com 1258731981 6469 127.0.0.1 (20 Nov 2009 15:46:21 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 15:46:21 +0000 (UTC) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: j19g2000yqk.googlegroups.com; posting-host=80.47.206.236; posting-account=xnH4mQkAAADgGjKHSw0dMDzsXknFp5II User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-GB; rv:1.9.1.5) Gecko/20091102 Firefox/3.5.5 (.NET CLR 3.5.30729),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15829 On 20 Nov, 14:12, bro...@cuebid.usa.hp.nospam (Rob Brooks) wrote: > Frank da Cruz writes: > > > . . . =A0I lost access almost completely to VMS. =A0I'll do > > my best to carry VMS support forward, but I'll need guest access > > (telnet or ssh, ftp) to VMS systems of all vintages and hardware > > that have C compilers. > > eisner.decus.org, a volunteer-run system, is an Alpha running V8.3. > It has a slew of compilers, and access is free. > > -- > > Rob Brooks =A0 =A0MSL -- Marlborough, MA =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0brooks!cu= ebid.usa.hp.com VAX and Alpha are available on Deathrow http://deathrow.vistech.net/ From sean@obanion.us Fri Nov 20 17:07:35 2009 Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!4.24.21.218.MISMATCH!newsfeed2.dallas1.level3.net!news.level3.com!postnews.google.com!d5g2000yqm.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: Curlsman Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-Kermit 9.0 first Alpha test Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 08:04:22 -0800 (PST) Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 21 Message-ID: <2e9ee772-6229-459d-85f5-4d1b3bd2d70a@d5g2000yqm.googlegroups.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 75.201.173.73 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: posting.google.com 1258733062 22905 127.0.0.1 (20 Nov 2009 16:04:22 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 16:04:22 +0000 (UTC) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: d5g2000yqm.googlegroups.com; posting-host=75.201.173.73; posting-account=Al2ysgoAAAB-JHhVFX7KwWCW-O2QOVQz User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X 10_5_8; en-us) AppleWebKit/531.9 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/4.0.3 Safari/531.9,gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15830 On Nov 20, 6:12=A0am, bro...@cuebid.usa.hp.nospam (Rob Brooks) wrote: > Frank da Cruz writes: > > > . . . =A0I lost access almost completely to VMS. =A0I'll do > > my best to carry VMS support forward, but I'll need guest access > > (telnet or ssh, ftp) to VMS systems of all vintages and hardware > > that have C compilers. > > eisner.decus.org, a volunteer-run system, is an Alpha running V8.3. > It has a slew of compilers, and access is free. > > -- > > Rob Brooks =A0 =A0MSL -- Marlborough, MA =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0brooks!cu= ebid.usa.hp.com For VAX you might try a SIMH emulator with a hobbyest license (which includes compilers). Sean From gxys@uk2.net Fri Nov 20 17:07:40 2009 Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!usenet.stanford.edu!postnews.google.com!k19g2000yqc.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: IanMiller Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-Kermit 9.0 first Alpha test Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 08:20:04 -0800 (PST) Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 18 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 80.47.206.236 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: posting.google.com 1258734005 28907 127.0.0.1 (20 Nov 2009 16:20:05 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 16:20:05 +0000 (UTC) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: k19g2000yqc.googlegroups.com; posting-host=80.47.206.236; posting-account=xnH4mQkAAADgGjKHSw0dMDzsXknFp5II User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-GB; rv:1.9.1.5) Gecko/20091102 Firefox/3.5.5 (.NET CLR 3.5.30729),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15831 On 20 Nov, 14:12, bro...@cuebid.usa.hp.nospam (Rob Brooks) wrote: > Frank da Cruz writes: > > > . . . =A0I lost access almost completely to VMS. =A0I'll do > > my best to carry VMS support forward, but I'll need guest access > > (telnet or ssh, ftp) to VMS systems of all vintages and hardware > > that have C compilers. > > eisner.decus.org, a volunteer-run system, is an Alpha running V8.3. > It has a slew of compilers, and access is free. > > -- > > Rob Brooks =A0 =A0MSL -- Marlborough, MA =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0brooks!cu= ebid.usa.hp.com See also deathrow.vistech.net for a alpha and a VAX From sms.antinode@gmail.com Fri Nov 20 17:07:43 2009 Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!4.24.21.218.MISMATCH!newsfeed2.dallas1.level3.net!news.level3.com!postnews.google.com!l2g2000yqd.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: Steven Schweda Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-Kermit 9.0 first Alpha test Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 08:44:50 -0800 (PST) Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 61 Message-ID: <877a104f-89a0-4c2d-938c-9bf79f902a43@l2g2000yqd.googlegroups.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.98.249.184 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Trace: posting.google.com 1258735490 27465 127.0.0.1 (20 Nov 2009 16:44:50 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 16:44:50 +0000 (UTC) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: l2g2000yqd.googlegroups.com; posting-host=209.98.249.184; posting-account=OjKUgAkAAAAXAqdVEKd-Gc8RltEUx3Xq User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; OpenVMS COMPAQ_Professional_Workstation; en-US; rv:1.8.1.17) Gecko/20081029 SeaMonkey/1.1.12,gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15832 Frank da Cruz wrote: > [...] > http://kermit.columbia.edu/ck90.html > [...] There are a few more things to look into, but for a start: ALP $ gdiff -u ckuusy.c_orig ckuusy.c --- ckuusy.c_orig 2009-11-18 16:16:07 -0600 +++ ckuusy.c 2009-11-20 10:26:12 -0600 @@ -3606,8 +3606,8 @@ failmsg = "%CKERMIT-E-SEARCHFAIL, no files for - s"; #else failmsg = "No files for -s"; - } #endif /* VMS */ + } XFATAL(failmsg); } if (z > 1) { @@ -4742,8 +4742,3 @@ } } #endif /* NOCMDL */ - -#ifdef VMS -/* This is the most horrible hack ever */ -} -#endif /* VMS */ (Well if it wasn't, it certainly was in the running.) I can't remember if these are old or new (or fixed before or not): Compiling ALP$DKA0:[UTILITY.SOURCE.KERMIT.v9r0_2009-11-20]CKUATH.C #define des_cblock DES_cblock ...................^ %CC-W-MACROREDEF, The redefinition of the macro "des_cblock" conflicts with a cu rrent definition because the replacement lists differ. The redefinition is now in effect. at line number 131 in file SSL$ROOT:[INCLUDE]DES_OLD.H;1 #define des_key_schedule DES_key_schedule .........................^ %CC-W-MACROREDEF, The redefinition of the macro "des_key_schedule" conflicts wit h a current definition because the replacement lists differ. The redefinition i s now in effect. at line number 133 in file SSL$ROOT:[INCLUDE]DES_OLD.H;1 I'll try to look at it when I get a chance. From fdc@panix.com Fri Nov 20 17:07:46 2009 Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!not-for-mail From: Frank da Cruz Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-Kermit 9.0 first Alpha test Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 17:50:44 +0000 (UTC) Organization: PANIX Public Access Internet and UNIX, NYC Lines: 46 Message-ID: References: <877a104f-89a0-4c2d-938c-9bf79f902a43@l2g2000yqd.googlegroups.com> Reply-To: fdc@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: panix2.panix.com X-Trace: reader1.panix.com 1258739444 22799 166.84.1.2 (20 Nov 2009 17:50:44 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@panix.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 17:50:44 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0 (NetBSD) Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15833 On 2009-11-20, Steven Schweda wrote: : Frank da Cruz wrote: : There are a few more things to look into, but for a start: : : ALP $ gdiff -u ckuusy.c_orig ckuusy.c : Thanks, I was staring right at that spot without seeing it. I should have put on my special #ifdef glasses... : #endif /* NOCMDL */ : - : -#ifdef VMS : -/* This is the most horrible hack ever */ : -} : -#endif /* VMS */ : : (Well if it wasn't, it certainly was in the running.) : In the edit history I mentioned the "old LISP trick", I don't know if anybody still remembers it but if your LISP program didn't "compile", you put a card full of right parens at the end and it fed it through the reader again. : I can't remember if these are old or new (or fixed before or not): : : #define des_cblock DES_cblock : ...................^ : %CC-W-MACROREDEF, The redefinition of the macro "des_cblock" conflicts : with a current definition because the replacement lists differ... : I'm not sure why this is even being picked up unless a secure build is being attempted. In that case, there are some things to be aware of. First, OpenSSL changed the names of the DES routines between 0.9.6 and 0.9.7; it might be necessary to add -DOPENSSL_097 to the CC flags. Second (probably not relevant in this case), OS vendors are starting to remove DES encryption from all their products. : I'll try to look at it when I get a chance. : Thanks. I didn't even have an opportunity to try a VMS build until yesterday. When I finally got it to compile at the last minute I tried an FTP command but got the external FTP rather than the built-in one, even though your code is there. I must have missed a command-line option in the build. - Frank From slash_dev_slash_null_2000@yahoo.com Fri Nov 20 17:07:48 2009 Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!4.24.21.218.MISMATCH!newsfeed2.dallas1.level3.net!news.level3.com!postnews.google.com!v15g2000prn.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: Mark Sapiro Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-Kermit 9.0 first Alpha test Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 13:29:22 -0800 (PST) Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 247 Message-ID: <097c19d2-fb3e-4cdb-b5f8-251459e7e9ee@v15g2000prn.googlegroups.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.183.193.239 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: posting.google.com 1258752563 31256 127.0.0.1 (20 Nov 2009 21:29:23 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 21:29:23 +0000 (UTC) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: v15g2000prn.googlegroups.com; posting-host=68.183.193.239; posting-account=wclt7goAAAC_K4WydXPXrO61H6DxgqEv User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.5) Gecko/20091102 Firefox/3.5.5 (.NET CLR 3.5.30729),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15834 On Nov 20, 5:52=A0am, Frank da Cruz wrote: > It's been a while since new C-Kermit code has seen the light > of day in our "daily builds" area but now, against all odds, > C-Kermit 9.0 is ready for testing. =A0Here's the web page that > describes it: > > =A0http://kermit.columbia.edu/ck90.html It makes cleanly on CentOS 5 with "make linux" and seems to work fine. On fog:$ uname -a HP-UX fog B.11.23 U ia64 1361301988 unlimited-user license with fog:$ cc --version cc: HP C/aC++ B3910B A.06.15 [May 16 2007] make hpux1100o+ KFLAGS=3D-DCK_INI_B issues several compile warnings listed below. These did not occur when I originally made C-Kermit 8.0.212 Dev.26, 20 Dec 2006, for HP-UX 11.00 but that was apparently with a less fussy compiler. I just remade that source on the above box/compiler, and with the exception of three of the "function was declared but never referenced" warnings, I got all the below and several others. Interestingly, the HP-UX binaries made by this compiler and its libraries are about twice the size of the one I made in Jan, 2007. "ckuusr.c", line 7486: warning #2177-D: label "havehost" was declared but never referenced havehost: /* Come here with s -> host */ ^ "ckuus4.c", line 6951: warning #4277-D: logical AND with a constant, do you mean to use '&'? if (flags && INPSW_COU) { /* INPUT /COUNT */ ^ "ckuus6.c", line 628: warning #2177-D: function "doymdir" was declared but never referenced _PROTOTYP(static int doymdir,(int)); ^ "ckuus7.c", line 9807: warning #2177-D: label "xcx_net" was declared but never referenced xcx_net: ^ "ckuus7.c", line 10098: warning #2177-D: label "xcx_serial" was declared but never referenced xcx_serial: ^ "ckcfns.c", line 2498: warning #2940-D: missing return statement at end of non-void function "xgnbyte" } ^ "ckutio.c", line 2334: warning #3197-D: the prototype declaration of "char *ctermid(char *)" (declared at line 522 of "/usr/include/stdio.h") is ignored after this unprototyped redeclaration extern char *ctermid(); /* Wish they all had this! */ ^ "ckutio.c", line 11836: warning #3197-D: the prototype declaration of "char *asctime(const struct tm *)" (declared at line 256 of "/usr/include/sys/time.h") is ignored after this unprototyped redeclaration char *asctime(); ^ "ckutio.c", line 11837: warning #3197-D: the prototype declaration of "struct tm *localtime(const time_t *)" (declared at line 283 of "/usr/include/sys/time.h") is ignored after this unprototyped redeclaration struct tm *localtime(); ^ "ckutio.c", line 14476: warning #2177-D: function "sigchld_handler" was declared but never referenced sigchld_handler(sig) int sig; { ^ "ckutio.c", line 12099: warning #2177-D: function "congetbuf" was declared but never referenced congetbuf(x) int x; { ^ "ckutio.c", line 14351: warning #2177-D: function "pty_chk" was declared but never referenced pty_chk(fd) int fd; { ^ "ckufio.c", line 2641: warning #2177-D: label "doaccess" was declared but never referenced doaccess: ^ "ckufio.c", line 4655: warning #3197-D: the prototype declaration of "struct tm *localtime(const time_t *)" (declared at line 283 of "/usr/include/sys/time.h") is ignored after this unprototyped redeclaration struct tm * localtime(); ^ "ckufio.c", line 4809: warning #3197-D: the prototype declaration of "struct tm *localtime(const time_t *)" (declared at line 283 of "/usr/include/sys/time.h") is ignored after this unprototyped redeclaration extern struct tm * localtime(); ^ "ckufio.c", line 5093: warning #3197-D: the prototype declaration of "struct tm *localtime(const time_t *)" (declared at line 283 of "/usr/include/sys/time.h") is ignored after this unprototyped redeclaration extern struct tm * localtime(); ^ "ckufio.c", line 5312: warning #3197-D: the prototype declaration of "int utime(const char *, const struct utimbuf *)" (declared at line 34 of "/usr/include/utime.h") is ignored after this unprototyped redeclaration extern int utime(); ^ "ckufio.c", line 6088: warning #3197-D: the prototype declaration of "DIR *opendir(const char *)" (declared at line 187 of "/usr/include/sys/dirent.h") is ignored after this unprototyped redeclaration DIR *fd, *opendir(); ^ "ckufio.c", line 6090: warning #3197-D: the prototype declaration of "struct dirent *readdir(DIR *)" (declared at line 188 of "/usr/include/sys/dirent.h") is ignored after this unprototyped redeclaration struct dirent *readdir(); ^ "ckudia.c", line 4996: warning #2236-D: controlling expression is constant if (lbuf && *lbuf) { ^ "ckcnet.c", line 3442: warning #4232-D: conversion from "struct sockaddr *" to a more strictly aligned type "struct sockaddr_in *" may cause misaligned access sin =3D (struct sockaddr_in *) &dns_addrs[0]; ^ "ckcnet.c", line 7407: warning #2068-D: integer conversion resulted in a change of sign cp[2] =3D '\377'; ^ "ckcnet.c", line 7408: warning #2068-D: integer conversion resulted in a change of sign cp[3] =3D '\377'; ^ "ckcnet.c", line 13511: warning #4232-D: conversion from "struct sockaddr *" to a more strictly aligned type "struct sockaddr_in *" may cause misaligned access sin =3D (struct sockaddr_in *) &addr[nout++]; ^ "ckcftp.c", line 15599: warning #2177-D: label "notemp" was declared but never referenced notemp: ^ "ckcftp.c", line 14512: warning #2177-D: function "fts_cpl" was declared but never referenced fts_cpl(x) int x; { ^ "ckcftp.c", line 14472: warning #2177-D: function "fts_dpl" was declared but never referenced fts_dpl(x) int x; { ^ "ckcftp.c", line 2000: warning #2177-D: function "xprintc" was declared but never referenced xprintc(char c) ^ "ckcftp.c", line 2010: warning #2177-D: function "bytswap" was declared but never referenced bytswap(c0,c1) int * c0, * c1; { ^ "ckcftp.c", line 8590: warning #2177-D: function "shopl" was declared but never referenced shopl(x) int x; { ^ -- (for email use this address please - you can figure it out) Mark Sapiro mark at msapiro net Any clod can have the facts; San Francisco Bay Area, California having opinions is an art. - C. McCabe, The Fearless Spectator From sms.antinode@gmail.com Sat Nov 21 14:02:04 2009 Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!usenet.stanford.edu!postnews.google.com!r5g2000yqb.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: Steven Schweda Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-Kermit 9.0 first Alpha test Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 15:53:12 -0800 (PST) Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 108 Message-ID: References: <877a104f-89a0-4c2d-938c-9bf79f902a43@l2g2000yqd.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.98.249.184 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Trace: posting.google.com 1258761192 17306 127.0.0.1 (20 Nov 2009 23:53:12 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 23:53:12 +0000 (UTC) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: r5g2000yqb.googlegroups.com; posting-host=209.98.249.184; posting-account=OjKUgAkAAAAXAqdVEKd-Gc8RltEUx3Xq User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; OpenVMS COMPAQ_Professional_Workstation; en-US; rv:1.8.1.17) Gecko/20081029 SeaMonkey/1.1.12,gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15835 Frank da Cruz wrote: > : [...] > : #define des_cblock DES_cblock > : ...................^ > : %CC-W-MACROREDEF, The redefinition of the macro "des_cblock" conflicts > : with a current definition because the replacement lists differ... > : > I'm not sure why this is even being picked up unless a secure build > is being attempted. In that case, there are some things to be aware > of. First, OpenSSL changed the names of the DES routines between > 0.9.6 and 0.9.7; it might be necessary to add -DOPENSSL_097 to the > CC flags. Second (probably not relevant in this case), OS vendors are > starting to remove DES encryption from all their products. > : [...] Well, of _course_ it's a secure build! Where's the fun if you don't enable all the options? Defining OPENSSL_097 seems to do no good. The first definition of des_cblock is around ckuath.c:195: #else /* KRB4 */ #ifdef CK_SSL #define des_cblock Block <--- #ifdef COMMENT #define const_des_cblock const Block #endif /* COMMENT */ #define des_key_schedule Schedule <--- #endif /* CK_SSL */ Then, someone drags in : [...] #ifndef OPENSSL_DES_LIBDES_COMPATIBILITY #define des_cblock DES_cblock #define const_des_cblock const_DES_cblock #define des_key_schedule DES_key_schedule [...] which is where we get the %CC-W-MACROREDEF complaints about des_cblock and des_key_schedule. Defining OPENSSL_DISABLE_OLD_DES_SUPPORT does evade the problem, resulting in a nearly clean build. I'm not sure how this should be fixed. The remaining complaint (only "%CC-I-QUESTCOMPARE", so not a big problem) is: Compiling ALP$DKA0:[UTILITY.SOURCE.KERMIT.v9r0_2009-11-20]CKVTIO.C while ((n--) && xx_inc(2) >= 0) ; /* Ignore Warning - see comments */ ........................^ %CC-I-QUESTCOMPARE, In this statement, the unsigned expression "(-- ttxbn>=0?(uns igned)(ttxbuf[ttxbp++]&0X00000000000000FF):txbufr(...))" is being compared with a relational operator to a constant whose value is not greater than zero. This might not be what you intended. at line number 921 in file ALP$DKA0:[UTILITY.SOURCE.KERMIT.v9r0_2009-11-20]ckvtio.c;1 My (latest) build command: @ CKVKER.COM SFI D "CK_SSL,OPENSSL_DISABLE_OLD_DES_SUPPORT" and: ALP$DKA0:[UTILITY.SOURCE.KERMIT.v9r0_2009-11-20] C-Kermit>show versions Versions: C-Kermit 9.0.299 Alpha.01, 16 Nov 2009 Numeric: 900299 Built for: OpenVMS Alpha Running on: OpenVMS Alpha 8 V8.3 Alpha Patches: (none) Communications I/O 9.0.124, 16 Oct 2009 for OpenVMS Alpha File support, 9.0.181, 16 Oct 2009 for OpenVMS Alpha C-Kermit library, 9.0.045, 16 Nov 2009 C-Kermit Protocol Module 9.0.160, 16 Oct 2009 C-Kermit functions, 9.0.229, 15 Feb 2009 Command package 9.0.167, 16 October 2008 User Interface 9.0.295, 10 November 2009 Character Set Translation 9.0.042, 16 Oct 2009 CONNECT Command 8.0.062 5 Apr 2004 Dial Command, 9.0.160, 16 Oct 2009 Script Command, 9.0.032, 16 Oct 2009 Network support, 9.0.293, 16 Oct 2009 Telnet support, 9.0.273, 16 Oct 2009 FTP Client, 9.0.253, 16 Oct 2009 Authentication, 9.0.234, 16 Oct 2009 SSL/TLS support, 9.0.226, 16 Oct 2009 ALP$DKA0:[UTILITY.SOURCE.KERMIT.v9r0_2009-11-20] C-Kermit> I'm assuming that "FTP Client, 9.0.253, 16 Oct 2009" means that I got the internal FTP client. It seemed to work, at least a little, but when I tried "ftp dir" in a populous directory, I got an uninterruptable listing (which seemed to go on for a very long time). The normal (TCPIP) FTP client handles Ctrl/C better (apparently sending an "ABOR" command), and not running until everything's been spewed to the terminal. From sms.antinode@gmail.com Sat Nov 21 14:03:09 2009 Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!4.24.21.218.MISMATCH!newsfeed2.dallas1.level3.net!news.level3.com!postnews.google.com!c3g2000yqd.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: Steven Schweda Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-Kermit 9.0 first Alpha test Date: Sat, 21 Nov 2009 06:34:26 -0800 (PST) Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 37 Message-ID: <1e544633-8141-4d46-a81e-2d5ba66bbe3d@c3g2000yqd.googlegroups.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.98.249.184 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Trace: posting.google.com 1258814066 2198 127.0.0.1 (21 Nov 2009 14:34:26 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 21 Nov 2009 14:34:26 +0000 (UTC) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: c3g2000yqd.googlegroups.com; posting-host=209.98.249.184; posting-account=OjKUgAkAAAAXAqdVEKd-Gc8RltEUx3Xq User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; OpenVMS COMPAQ_Professional_Workstation; en-US; rv:1.8.1.17) Gecko/20081029 SeaMonkey/1.1.12,gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15836 Frank da Cruz wrote: > [...] > http://kermit.columbia.edu/ck90.html > [...] This footnote in http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck90.html is incorrect: * VMS file sizes are counted in blocks rather than bytes, so in a sense VMS files have always been "long". However there is no specific support for "longer" files in VMS C-Kermit, nor, as far as I know, in VMS itself. C-Kermit was changed in version 9.0 to allow for larger number in the file transfer display. At the RMS level, VMS has always supported file sizes up to 1TB (512 bytes/block * 2G blocks), but the C run-time library deals in bytes, and it was restricted to 32-bit (usually signed) size values. On non-VAX architectures, VMS V7.2 added 64-bit file size/offset values to the C RTL (enabled by the _LARGEFILE macro in ). Until around V7.3-2, some C RTL ECO (patch kit) was required to get things to work well enough to use. Also, as explained in , "This feature requires a version of the Compaq C compiler with support for #pragma __extern_prefix." My guess would be DEC/Compaq/HP C V6.0 or later, but I don't know. The VMS builder, ckvker.com, now says: [...] P1 Build options (no white space, or enclose in quotes): [...] F = large-file support [...] so the user needs some awareness to enable large-file support. From petrybr@gmail.com Thu Dec 17 14:51:22 2009 Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed-00.mathworks.com!newsfeed2.dallas1.level3.net!news.level3.com!postnews.google.com!z41g2000yqz.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: Paulo Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Error: The system cannot find the path specified. Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 07:00:14 -0800 (PST) Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 16 Message-ID: <4d3ba427-3158-45e6-9d97-87be4ead9d12@z41g2000yqz.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 201.34.141.34 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Trace: posting.google.com 1261062015 1060 127.0.0.1 (17 Dec 2009 15:00:15 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 15:00:15 +0000 (UTC) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: z41g2000yqz.googlegroups.com; posting-host=201.34.141.34; posting-account=-ZFLcwkAAABgx8-leRQQJAVAnDtcDDqN User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-Via: 1.1 alufw.alcatel-lucent:3128 (Squid/2.4.STABLE1) X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US) AppleWebKit/532.0 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/3.0.195.38 Safari/532.0,gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15837 Hello, >From a Solaris server, im connecting to a Windows ftp server to put some files. When i use the /as-name option in mput command, i got this error: failed 550 {filename}: The system cannot find the path specified. If i dont use /as-name, the file is successfuly uploaded. I'm using /recursive option too. Any idea why this error occurs? Thanks From fdc@panix.com Thu Dec 17 14:57:30 2009 Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!not-for-mail From: Frank da Cruz Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Error: The system cannot find the path specified. Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 19:56:21 +0000 (UTC) Organization: PANIX Public Access Internet and UNIX, NYC Lines: 26 Message-ID: References: <4d3ba427-3158-45e6-9d97-87be4ead9d12@z41g2000yqz.googlegroups.com> Reply-To: fdc@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: panix1.panix.com X-Trace: reader1.panix.com 1261079781 6372 166.84.1.1 (17 Dec 2009 19:56:21 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@panix.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 19:56:21 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0 (NetBSD) Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15838 On 2009-12-17, Paulo wrote: : From a Solaris server, im connecting to a Windows ftp server to put : some files. : : When i use the /as-name option in mput command, i got this error: : : failed 550 {filename}: The system cannot find the path specified. : : If i dont use /as-name, the file is successfuly uploaded. : : I'm using /recursive option too. : : Any idea why this error occurs? : First please try the same thing using C-Kermit 9.0 as the client: http://kermit.columbia.edu/ck90.html I say this because a bug regarding computed pathnames in recursive FTP operations was fixed in this version. If there is no difference, I'll need to see some logs. Tell C-Kermit to "set ftp debug on" and then give the commands to connect to the server and upload, then send me the results (copy and paste) at kermit@columbia.edu. - Frank From 80n80n@gmail.com Tue Dec 29 14:11:14 2009 Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!usenet.stanford.edu!postnews.google.com!s31g2000yqs.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: Etienne <80n80n@gmail.com> Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit on Itanium VMS Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2009 08:31:14 -0800 (PST) Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 9 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 80.177.19.178 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Trace: posting.google.com 1261153874 18975 127.0.0.1 (18 Dec 2009 16:31:14 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2009 16:31:14 +0000 (UTC) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: s31g2000yqs.googlegroups.com; posting-host=80.177.19.178; posting-account=_KKRGgoAAADJrdXMKwkRYmxDkqvnvB7P User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-GB; rv:1.9.1.6) Gecko/20091201 Firefox/3.5.6 (.NET CLR 3.5.30729),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15839 Hi Is there a version of C-Kermit that I can use on an HP Integrity rx6600 HP running OpenVMS V8.3-1H1? Do I have to use the 9.0 alpha test or will C-Kermit 8.0 run ok on this platform? Many thanks Etienne From sms.antinode@gmail.com Tue Dec 29 14:12:03 2009 Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed-00.mathworks.com!newsfeed2.dallas1.level3.net!news.level3.com!postnews.google.com!g26g2000yqe.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: Steven Schweda Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit on Itanium VMS Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2009 00:57:03 -0800 (PST) Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 21 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.98.249.184 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Trace: posting.google.com 1261213023 7155 127.0.0.1 (19 Dec 2009 08:57:03 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2009 08:57:03 +0000 (UTC) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: g26g2000yqe.googlegroups.com; posting-host=209.98.249.184; posting-account=OjKUgAkAAAAXAqdVEKd-Gc8RltEUx3Xq User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; OpenVMS COMPAQ_Professional_Workstation; en-US; rv:1.8.1.17) Gecko/20081029 SeaMonkey/1.1.12,gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15840 Etienne wrote: > Is there a version of C-Kermit that I can use on an HP Integrity > rx6600 HP running OpenVMS V8.3-1H1? > > Do I have to use the 9.0 alpha test or will C-Kermit 8.0 run ok on > this platform? I doubt that the builders in any unmodified Kermit 8.0 kit will work well on an IA64 system. If your "C-Kermit 8.0" is C-Kermit 8.0.212, then you might have better luck using the changed files at: http://antinode.info/ftp/kermit/2007-02-01/ And (re-)read the instructions in the builder. The 9.0 kit is in relatively good shape for a modern VMS version (say, V7.3 and up), but see: http://groups.google.com/group/comp.protocols.kermit.misc/browse_thread/thread/6150b48571242abf From 80n80n@gmail.com Tue Dec 29 14:12:20 2009 Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!4.24.21.218.MISMATCH!newsfeed2.dallas1.level3.net!news.level3.com!postnews.google.com!d20g2000yqh.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: Etienne <80n80n@gmail.com> Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit on Itanium VMS Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2009 10:48:17 -0800 (PST) Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 27 Message-ID: <6feff298-0752-4d28-8750-97141aabae78@d20g2000yqh.googlegroups.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 80.177.19.178 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: posting.google.com 1261248497 19314 127.0.0.1 (19 Dec 2009 18:48:17 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2009 18:48:17 +0000 (UTC) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: d20g2000yqh.googlegroups.com; posting-host=80.177.19.178; posting-account=_KKRGgoAAADJrdXMKwkRYmxDkqvnvB7P User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-GB; rv:1.9.1.6) Gecko/20091201 Firefox/3.5.6 (.NET CLR 3.5.30729),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15841 On 19 Dec, 08:57, Steven Schweda wrote: > Etienne wrote: > > Is there a version of C-Kermit that I can use on an HP Integrity > > rx6600 HP running OpenVMS V8.3-1H1? > > > Do I have to use the 9.0 alpha test or will C-Kermit 8.0 run ok on > > this platform? > > =A0 =A0I doubt that the builders in any unmodified Kermit 8.0 kit > will work well on an IA64 system. =A0If your "C-Kermit 8.0" is > C-Kermit 8.0.212, then you might have better luck using the > changed files at: > > =A0 =A0 =A0http://antinode.info/ftp/kermit/2007-02-01/ > > And (re-)read the instructions in the builder. > > =A0 =A0The 9.0 kit is in relatively good shape for a modern VMS > version (say, V7.3 and up), but see: > > http://groups.google.com/group/comp.protocols.kermit.misc/browse_thre... Steven Thanks. I couldn't follow that 9.0 thread very well. Does it mean that 9.0 will work or won't work? Etienne From sms.antinode@gmail.com Tue Dec 29 14:14:42 2009 Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!usenet.stanford.edu!postnews.google.com!p8g2000yqb.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: Steven Schweda Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit on Itanium VMS Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2009 18:24:28 -0800 (PST) Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 11 Message-ID: <41039cdf-a708-489b-8146-986ec706ab5e@p8g2000yqb.googlegroups.com> References: <6feff298-0752-4d28-8750-97141aabae78@d20g2000yqh.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.98.249.184 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Trace: posting.google.com 1261275868 18148 127.0.0.1 (20 Dec 2009 02:24:28 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2009 02:24:28 +0000 (UTC) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: p8g2000yqb.googlegroups.com; posting-host=209.98.249.184; posting-account=OjKUgAkAAAAXAqdVEKd-Gc8RltEUx3Xq User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; OpenVMS COMPAQ_Professional_Workstation; en-US; rv:1.8.1.17) Gecko/20081029 SeaMonkey/1.1.12,gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15842 Etienne wrote: > [...] Does it mean > that 9.0 will work or won't work? Substitute this file, and it should do pretty well: http://antinode.info/ftp/kermit/v9r0_299_2009-11-20/ckuusy.c I built mine with the command shown in the other thread. I didn't do any real testing, however. From 80n80n@gmail.com Tue Dec 29 14:15:07 2009 Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed-00.mathworks.com!newsfeed2.dallas1.level3.net!news.level3.com!postnews.google.com!j4g2000yqe.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: Etienne <80n80n@gmail.com> Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit on Itanium VMS Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2009 07:55:47 -0800 (PST) Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 32 Message-ID: <9c86a820-511f-4219-aecf-cfd31d9bdbcb@j4g2000yqe.googlegroups.com> References: <6feff298-0752-4d28-8750-97141aabae78@d20g2000yqh.googlegroups.com> <41039cdf-a708-489b-8146-986ec706ab5e@p8g2000yqb.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 80.177.19.178 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: posting.google.com 1261410947 1695 127.0.0.1 (21 Dec 2009 15:55:47 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2009 15:55:47 +0000 (UTC) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: j4g2000yqe.googlegroups.com; posting-host=80.177.19.178; posting-account=_KKRGgoAAADJrdXMKwkRYmxDkqvnvB7P User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-GB; rv:1.9.1.6) Gecko/20091201 Firefox/3.5.6 (.NET CLR 3.5.30729),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15843 On 20 Dec, 02:24, Steven Schweda wrote: > Etienne wrote: > > =A0[...] Does it mean > > that 9.0 will work or won't work? > > =A0 =A0Substitute this file, and it should do pretty well: > > http://antinode.info/ftp/kermit/v9r0_299_2009-11-20/ckuusy.c > > =A0 =A0I built mine with the command shown in the other thread. =A0I > didn't do any real testing, however. Steven Thanks, but I think I'm on a totally different level to you. Unfortunately I don't have the skills to compile anything or hack around very much. Does *any* version of Kermit work on an HP Integrity rx6600 HP running OpenVMS V8.3-1H1? If yes, which version? That's all I want to know. Actually, what I really need to achive is a mechanism for doing file downloads from the VMS host to a client PC via the PowerTerm terminal emulator. It supports Kermit, Xmodem, Ymodem and Zmodem. Should I explore these as feasible alternatives? Thanks. Etienne From sms.antinode@gmail.com Tue Dec 29 14:15:19 2009 Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!usenet.stanford.edu!postnews.google.com!g26g2000yqe.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: Steven Schweda Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit on Itanium VMS Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2009 08:53:58 -0800 (PST) Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 31 Message-ID: References: <6feff298-0752-4d28-8750-97141aabae78@d20g2000yqh.googlegroups.com> <41039cdf-a708-489b-8146-986ec706ab5e@p8g2000yqb.googlegroups.com> <9c86a820-511f-4219-aecf-cfd31d9bdbcb@j4g2000yqe.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.98.249.184 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Trace: posting.google.com 1261414438 11946 127.0.0.1 (21 Dec 2009 16:53:58 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2009 16:53:58 +0000 (UTC) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: g26g2000yqe.googlegroups.com; posting-host=209.98.249.184; posting-account=OjKUgAkAAAAXAqdVEKd-Gc8RltEUx3Xq User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; OpenVMS COMPAQ_Professional_Workstation; en-US; rv:1.8.1.17) Gecko/20081029 SeaMonkey/1.1.12,gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15844 Etienne wrote: > Thanks, but I think I'm on a totally different level to you. > Unfortunately I don't have the skills to compile anything or hack > around very much. Can you read? Kermit does come with some documentation. I've showed the command I used to build it. It does not come with pre-built VMS IA64 executables, so if you can't compile anything, then you may need to look for more help. > Does *any* version of Kermit work on an HP Integrity rx6600 HP running > OpenVMS V8.3-1H1? If yes, which version? I believe that the latest V9.0 kit will work (better, if you replace that one C file). > That's all I want to know. If you say so. > Actually, what I really need to achive is a mechanism for doing file > downloads from the VMS host to a client PC via the PowerTerm terminal > emulator. It supports Kermit, Xmodem, Ymodem and Zmodem. Should I > explore these as feasible alternatives? Why not use something like FTP? I'd be a little amazed if you can find any working %modem software for VMS IA64, so, from that list, I'd think that Kermit would be your best chance. From 80n80n@gmail.com Tue Dec 29 14:15:40 2009 Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!usenet.stanford.edu!postnews.google.com!g7g2000yqa.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: Etienne <80n80n@gmail.com> Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit on Itanium VMS Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2009 09:29:29 -0800 (PST) Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 49 Message-ID: References: <6feff298-0752-4d28-8750-97141aabae78@d20g2000yqh.googlegroups.com> <41039cdf-a708-489b-8146-986ec706ab5e@p8g2000yqb.googlegroups.com> <9c86a820-511f-4219-aecf-cfd31d9bdbcb@j4g2000yqe.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 80.177.19.178 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: posting.google.com 1261416569 28499 127.0.0.1 (21 Dec 2009 17:29:29 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2009 17:29:29 +0000 (UTC) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: g7g2000yqa.googlegroups.com; posting-host=80.177.19.178; posting-account=_KKRGgoAAADJrdXMKwkRYmxDkqvnvB7P User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-GB; rv:1.9.1.6) Gecko/20091201 Firefox/3.5.6 (.NET CLR 3.5.30729),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15845 On 21 Dec, 16:53, Steven Schweda wrote: > Etienne wrote: > > Thanks, but I think I'm on a totally different level to you. > > Unfortunately I don't have the skills to compile anything or hack > > around very much. > > =A0 =A0Can you read? =A0Kermit does come with some documentation. > I've showed the command I used to build it. =A0It does not come > with pre-built VMS IA64 executables, so if you can't compile > anything, then you may need to look for more help. > > > Does *any* version of Kermit work on an HP Integrity rx6600 HP running > > OpenVMS V8.3-1H1? If yes, which version? > > =A0 =A0I believe that the latest V9.0 kit will work (better, if > you replace that one C file). > > > =A0 That's all I want to know. > > =A0 =A0If you say so. > > > Actually, what I really need to achive is a mechanism for doing file > > downloads from the VMS host to a client PC via the PowerTerm terminal > > emulator. =A0It supports Kermit, Xmodem, Ymodem and Zmodem. =A0Should I > > explore these as feasible alternatives? > > =A0 =A0Why not use something like FTP? > > =A0 =A0I'd be a little amazed if you can find any working %modem > software for VMS IA64, so, from that list, I'd think that > Kermit would be your best chance. Steven Thank you. That's very helpful. I don't think FTP is scriptable from PowerTerm, but I'll check that out. To recap on your advice, I'm going to have to compile Kermit anyway. And after I've downloaded the install kit I should replace the file ckuusy.c with the one in your link. And I should do that before compiling I assume? Do I need anything special in order to compile Kermit or will all the tools be available and pre-installed? Also, do I need any special permissions? Thanks Etienne From sms.antinode@gmail.com Tue Dec 29 14:16:05 2009 Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!4.24.21.218.MISMATCH!newsfeed2.dallas1.level3.net!news.level3.com!postnews.google.com!v25g2000yqk.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: Steven Schweda Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit on Itanium VMS Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2009 13:58:21 -0800 (PST) Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 16 Message-ID: <4a0e79e9-b366-43c7-a66f-6099a5c5b3a9@v25g2000yqk.googlegroups.com> References: <6feff298-0752-4d28-8750-97141aabae78@d20g2000yqh.googlegroups.com> <41039cdf-a708-489b-8146-986ec706ab5e@p8g2000yqb.googlegroups.com> <9c86a820-511f-4219-aecf-cfd31d9bdbcb@j4g2000yqe.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.98.249.184 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Trace: posting.google.com 1261432701 10000 127.0.0.1 (21 Dec 2009 21:58:21 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2009 21:58:21 +0000 (UTC) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: v25g2000yqk.googlegroups.com; posting-host=209.98.249.184; posting-account=OjKUgAkAAAAXAqdVEKd-Gc8RltEUx3Xq User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; OpenVMS COMPAQ_Professional_Workstation; en-US; rv:1.8.1.17) Gecko/20081029 SeaMonkey/1.1.12,gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15846 Etienne wrote: > To recap on your advice, I'm going to have to compile Kermit anyway. > And after I've downloaded the install kit I should replace the file > ckuusy.c with the one in your link. And I should do that before > compiling I assume? It won't help much after. > Do I need anything special in order to compile Kermit or will all the > tools be available and pre-installed? Also, do I need any special > permissions? You need a C compiler, which is commonly available, but it is an optional product. No special permissions should be needed. From fdc@panix.com Tue Dec 29 14:27:51 2009 Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!not-for-mail From: Frank da Cruz Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.os.vms Subject: Re: Kermit on Itanium VMS Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 19:27:28 +0000 (UTC) Organization: PANIX Public Access Internet and UNIX, NYC Lines: 49 Message-ID: References: <6feff298-0752-4d28-8750-97141aabae78@d20g2000yqh.googlegroups.com> <41039cdf-a708-489b-8146-986ec706ab5e@p8g2000yqb.googlegroups.com> <9c86a820-511f-4219-aecf-cfd31d9bdbcb@j4g2000yqe.googlegroups.com> <4a0e79e9-b366-43c7-a66f-6099a5c5b3a9@v25g2000yqk.googlegroups.com> Reply-To: fdc@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: panix1.panix.com X-Trace: reader1.panix.com 1262114848 25045 166.84.1.1 (29 Dec 2009 19:27:28 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@panix.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 19:27:28 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0 (NetBSD) Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15847 comp.os.vms:515750 On 2009-12-21, Steven Schweda wrote: : Etienne wrote: : :> To recap on your advice, I'm going to have to compile Kermit anyway. :> And after I've downloaded the install kit I should replace the file :> ckuusy.c with the one in your link. And I should do that before :> compiling I assume? : : It won't help much after. : :> Do I need anything special in order to compile Kermit or will all the :> tools be available and pre-installed? Also, do I need any special :> permissions? : : You need a C compiler, which is commonly available, but it : is an optional product. No special permissions should be : needed. : As far as I can tell the replacement ckuusy.c file is exactly the same as the one in the current C-Kermit 9.0 distribution: http://kermit.columbia.edu/ck90.html As for VMS 8.3 / Itanium, I don't see any reason why this or any other recent version of Kermit would not work on it. But I can't swear to it because I no longer have access any VMS box later than 6.2 / Alpha, and that one just barely. If somebody could give me Telnet or SSH access and a guest ID on any VMS 7.x or 8.x systems that have DECC and UCX or whatever, I can verify and make any needed corrections and, when the time comes, build new binaries for the archive. VMS is one of the few surviving OS's that pays serious attention to the now deprecated if not forgoteen concepts of stability and backwards compatibility from one release to another, so any VMS / IA64 binary that you find in the archive: http://kermit.columbia.edu/ck80binaries.html#vms (the ones at the bottom of the VMS section) should work. These are prebuilt binary images, you should be able to just download and run them. Release and installation notes are here: http://kermit.columbia.edu/ckvins.html http://kermit.columbia.edu/ckvbwr.html Feedback by email to fdc@columbia.edu appreciated (as you can see I'm not able to check the newsgroup very often). - Frank From gezelter@rlgsc.com Wed Dec 30 12:48:19 2009 Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!4.24.21.218.MISMATCH!newsfeed2.dallas1.level3.net!news.level3.com!postnews.google.com!m26g2000yqb.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: Bob Gezelter Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.os.vms Subject: Re: Kermit on Itanium VMS Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 11:39:36 -0800 (PST) Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 59 Message-ID: <703f87e1-a5de-4a9c-a1c5-310ccb01fb66@m26g2000yqb.googlegroups.com> References: <6feff298-0752-4d28-8750-97141aabae78@d20g2000yqh.googlegroups.com> <41039cdf-a708-489b-8146-986ec706ab5e@p8g2000yqb.googlegroups.com> <9c86a820-511f-4219-aecf-cfd31d9bdbcb@j4g2000yqe.googlegroups.com> <4a0e79e9-b366-43c7-a66f-6099a5c5b3a9@v25g2000yqk.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.92.111.12 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: posting.google.com 1262115576 4697 127.0.0.1 (29 Dec 2009 19:39:36 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 19:39:36 +0000 (UTC) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: m26g2000yqb.googlegroups.com; posting-host=66.92.111.12; posting-account=r2_qcwoAAACbIdit5Eka3ivGvrYZz7UQ User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.9.1.6) Gecko/20091201 Firefox/3.5.6,gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15848 comp.os.vms:515751 On Dec 29, 2:27=A0pm, Frank da Cruz wrote: > On 2009-12-21, Steven Schweda wrote:: Etienne wr= ote: > > : > :> To recap on your advice, I'm going to have to compile Kermit anyway. > :> And after I've downloaded the install kit I should replace the file > :> ckuusy.c with the one in your link. =A0And I should do that before > :> compiling I assume? > : > : =A0 =A0It won't help much after. > : > :> Do I need anything special in order to compile Kermit or will all the > :> tools be available and pre-installed? =A0Also, do I need any special > :> permissions? > : > : =A0 =A0You need a C compiler, which is commonly available, but it > : is an optional product. =A0No special permissions should be > : needed. > : > As far as I can tell the replacement ckuusy.c file is exactly the same > as the one in the current C-Kermit 9.0 distribution: > > =A0http://kermit.columbia.edu/ck90.html > > As for VMS 8.3 / Itanium, I don't see any reason why this or any other > recent version of Kermit would not work on it. =A0But I can't swear to it > because I no longer have access any VMS box later than 6.2 / Alpha, and > that one just barely. =A0If somebody could give me Telnet or SSH access a= nd > a guest ID on any VMS 7.x or 8.x systems that have DECC and UCX or > whatever, I can verify and make any needed corrections and, when the time > comes, build new binaries for the archive. > > VMS is one of the few surviving OS's that pays serious attention to the > now deprecated if not forgoteen concepts of stability and backwards > compatibility from one release to another, so any VMS / IA64 binary that > you find in the archive: > > =A0http://kermit.columbia.edu/ck80binaries.html#vms > > (the ones at the bottom of the VMS section) should work. =A0These are > prebuilt binary images, you should be able to just download and run > them. =A0Release and installation notes are here: > > =A0http://kermit.columbia.edu/ckvins.html > =A0http://kermit.columbia.edu/ckvbwr.html > > Feedback by email to f...@columbia.edu appreciated (as you can see > I'm not able to check the newsgroup very often). > > - Frank Frank, On Itanium with 8.2, I had no problems with C-Kermit (native or translated images). - Bob Gezelter, http://www.rlgsc.com From gah@ugcs.caltech.edu Wed Dec 30 12:48:46 2009 Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!usenet.stanford.edu!news.ucr.edu!nntp-server.caltech.edu!not-for-mail From: glen herrmannsfeldt Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.os.vms Subject: Re: Kermit on Itanium VMS Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 19:41:16 +0000 (UTC) Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena Lines: 14 Message-ID: References: <41039cdf-a708-489b-8146-986ec706ab5e@p8g2000yqb.googlegroups.com> <9c86a820-511f-4219-aecf-cfd31d9bdbcb@j4g2000yqe.googlegroups.com> <4a0e79e9-b366-43c7-a66f-6099a5c5b3a9@v25g2000yqk.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: thalia.ugcs.caltech.edu X-Trace: naig.caltech.edu 1262115676 14933 131.215.176.116 (29 Dec 2009 19:41:16 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@caltech.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 19:41:16 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: tin/1.9.3-20080506 ("Dalintober") (UNIX) (Linux/2.6.26-2-686 (i686)) Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15849 comp.os.vms:515752 In comp.os.vms Frank da Cruz wrote: (snip) > VMS is one of the few surviving OS's that pays serious attention to the > now deprecated if not forgoteen concepts of stability and backwards > compatibility from one release to another, so any VMS / IA64 binary that > you find in the archive: As I understand it, z/OS will still run OS/360 load modules, such as the PL/I compiler written and assembled over 40 years ago. I don't believe the VMS currently can run any binaries over 40 years old. -- glen From ken.fairfield@gmail.com Wed Dec 30 12:49:05 2009 Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!usenet.stanford.edu!postnews.google.com!21g2000yqj.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: Ken Fairfield Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.os.vms Subject: Re: Kermit on Itanium VMS Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 11:59:50 -0800 (PST) Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 24 Message-ID: References: <41039cdf-a708-489b-8146-986ec706ab5e@p8g2000yqb.googlegroups.com> <9c86a820-511f-4219-aecf-cfd31d9bdbcb@j4g2000yqe.googlegroups.com> <4a0e79e9-b366-43c7-a66f-6099a5c5b3a9@v25g2000yqk.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.130.228.100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: posting.google.com 1262116790 12929 127.0.0.1 (29 Dec 2009 19:59:50 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 19:59:50 +0000 (UTC) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: 21g2000yqj.googlegroups.com; posting-host=204.130.228.100; posting-account=4iJO7QoAAADuBne6i_EVtbUyddPI2IeP User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.6) Gecko/20091201 Firefox/3.5.6,gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15850 comp.os.vms:515753 On Dec 29, 11:41=A0am, glen herrmannsfeldt wrote: > In comp.os.vms Frank da Cruz wrote: > (snip) > > > VMS is one of the few surviving OS's that pays serious attention to the > > now deprecated if not forgoteen concepts of stability and backwards > > compatibility from one release to another, so any VMS / IA64 binary tha= t > > you find in the archive: > > As I understand it, z/OS will still run OS/360 load modules, such > as the PL/I compiler written and assembled over 40 years ago. =A0 > I don't believe the VMS currently can run any binaries over 40 > years old. Since VMS is only 30 years old (barely), it shouldn't be too surprizing cf. the 40 years noted above. :-) OTOH, user programs linked under VMS 1.0 (necessarily VAX) will still run on VMS 7.3 (VAX), with small caveats concerning access to system structures, etc., that change with O/S version... -Ken From billg999@cs.uofs.edu Wed Dec 30 12:49:21 2009 Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed-00.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail From: billg999@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.os.vms Subject: Re: Kermit on Itanium VMS Date: 29 Dec 2009 20:48:19 GMT Organization: Computing Sciences Dept., University of Scranton Lines: 27 Sender: bill@server2.cs.uofs.edu Message-ID: <7pv88iF3skjl2U2@mid.individual.net> References: <41039cdf-a708-489b-8146-986ec706ab5e@p8g2000yqb.googlegroups.com> <9c86a820-511f-4219-aecf-cfd31d9bdbcb@j4g2000yqe.googlegroups.com> <4a0e79e9-b366-43c7-a66f-6099a5c5b3a9@v25g2000yqk.googlegroups.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: individual.net c6TqYvx4OEEwBDSEGTAPBwhF7IOZbW9n4z/jm/anNg2I8KMEgg Cancel-Lock: sha1:/XjiUrTQpGohfYqroF4NJtrkgTU= X-Newsreader: knews 1.0b.1 X-Face: #S"T9jP[OH$fbA-]+!@r#:cHoa=2+R{,NY(E9Mw0/G2D_((6`6R8@JjodwakR~(J?mCY+]yn//;$5;=/Gc'22VrB Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15852 comp.os.vms:515756 In article , glen herrmannsfeldt writes: > In comp.os.vms Frank da Cruz wrote: > (snip) > >> VMS is one of the few surviving OS's that pays serious attention to the >> now deprecated if not forgoteen concepts of stability and backwards >> compatibility from one release to another, so any VMS / IA64 binary that >> you find in the archive: > > As I understand it, z/OS will still run OS/360 load modules, such > as the PL/I compiler written and assembled over 40 years ago. > I don't believe the VMS currently can run any binaries over 40 > years old. I understand the same is true of UNISYS and whatever it is they call EXEC today (I last worked with EXEX 8 over 25 years ago and was truly surprised when told my binaries could be run using the same ECL I ran them with back then!) bill -- Bill Gunshannon | de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n. Three wolves billg999@cs.scranton.edu | and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton | Scranton, Pennsylvania | #include From M.Kraemer@gsi.de Wed Dec 30 12:49:35 2009 Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed-00.mathworks.com!kanaga.switch.ch!switch.ch!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!newsmm00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!news.t-online.com!not-for-mail From: Michael Kraemer Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.os.vms Subject: Re: Kermit on Itanium VMS Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 22:05:12 +0100 Organization: T-Online Lines: 20 Message-ID: References: <41039cdf-a708-489b-8146-986ec706ab5e@p8g2000yqb.googlegroups.com> <9c86a820-511f-4219-aecf-cfd31d9bdbcb@j4g2000yqe.googlegroups.com> <4a0e79e9-b366-43c7-a66f-6099a5c5b3a9@v25g2000yqk.googlegroups.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news.t-online.com 1262120713 00 n4670 8OBcp0NlnGtZSjHR 091229 21:05:13 X-Complaints-To: usenet-abuse@t-online.de X-ID: EwFVskZCYeK1jNqN1KaoA9DqukY2m4WVgk9lo8wcbW5x0gxXehxj8G User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (OS/2; U; Warp 4.5; de-DE; rv:1.3) Gecko/20030616 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en In-Reply-To: Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15853 comp.os.vms:515758 glen herrmannsfeldt schrieb: > In comp.os.vms Frank da Cruz wrote: > (snip) > > >>VMS is one of the few surviving OS's that pays serious attention to the >>now deprecated if not forgoteen concepts of stability and backwards >>compatibility from one release to another, so any VMS / IA64 binary that >>you find in the archive: > > > As I understand it, z/OS will still run OS/360 load modules, such > as the PL/I compiler written and assembled over 40 years ago. > I don't believe the VMS currently can run any binaries over 40 > years old. I wonder if it can run binaries 20 years young. Or would a VAX binary of 1989 run on current Itanic hardware, out-of-the-box? From ken.fairfield@gmail.com Wed Dec 30 12:50:17 2009 Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!usenet.stanford.edu!postnews.google.com!j19g2000yqk.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: Ken Fairfield Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.os.vms Subject: Re: Kermit on Itanium VMS Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 14:11:08 -0800 (PST) Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 36 Message-ID: References: <41039cdf-a708-489b-8146-986ec706ab5e@p8g2000yqb.googlegroups.com> <9c86a820-511f-4219-aecf-cfd31d9bdbcb@j4g2000yqe.googlegroups.com> <4a0e79e9-b366-43c7-a66f-6099a5c5b3a9@v25g2000yqk.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.130.228.100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: posting.google.com 1262124668 3352 127.0.0.1 (29 Dec 2009 22:11:08 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 22:11:08 +0000 (UTC) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: j19g2000yqk.googlegroups.com; posting-host=204.130.228.100; posting-account=4iJO7QoAAADuBne6i_EVtbUyddPI2IeP User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.6) Gecko/20091201 Firefox/3.5.6,gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15854 comp.os.vms:515760 On Dec 29, 1:05=A0pm, Michael Kraemer wrote: > glen herrmannsfeldt schrieb: > > > In comp.os.vms Frank da Cruz wrote: > > (snip) > > >>VMS is one of the few surviving OS's that pays serious attention to the > >>now deprecated if not forgoteen concepts of stability and backwards > >>compatibility from one release to another, so any VMS / IA64 binary tha= t > >>you find in the archive: > > > As I understand it, z/OS will still run OS/360 load modules, such > > as the PL/I compiler written and assembled over 40 years ago. =A0 > > I don't believe the VMS currently can run any binaries over 40 > > years old. > > I wonder if it can run binaries 20 years young. > Or would a VAX binary of 1989 run on current Itanic hardware, > out-of-the-box? Assuming that's a serious question (is it? really?), the answer is a simple "no". VAX binaries are different from Alpha binaries are different from IA64 binaries (because the underlying architecture off the three are so different from each other). Period, end of story. Many (most?) VAX binaries could be translated to Alpha binaries using a utility called VEST. Many (most?) Alpha binaries can similarly be translated to IA64 binaries using the analogous Itanium translator (whose name escapes me). I don't believe there was ever an Alpha to VAX "back" translator, nor is there one for IA64 to Alpha (or VAX). -Ken From sms.antinode@gmail.com Wed Dec 30 12:50:35 2009 Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!4.24.21.218.MISMATCH!newsfeed2.dallas1.level3.net!news.level3.com!postnews.google.com!d20g2000yqh.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: Steven Schweda Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.os.vms Subject: Re: Kermit on Itanium VMS Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 12:11:20 -0800 (PST) Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 26 Message-ID: <884e6641-aefd-44f1-a849-1e6cd3a5f4c3@d20g2000yqh.googlegroups.com> References: <6feff298-0752-4d28-8750-97141aabae78@d20g2000yqh.googlegroups.com> <41039cdf-a708-489b-8146-986ec706ab5e@p8g2000yqb.googlegroups.com> <9c86a820-511f-4219-aecf-cfd31d9bdbcb@j4g2000yqe.googlegroups.com> <4a0e79e9-b366-43c7-a66f-6099a5c5b3a9@v25g2000yqk.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.98.249.184 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Trace: posting.google.com 1262117481 17564 127.0.0.1 (29 Dec 2009 20:11:21 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 20:11:21 +0000 (UTC) Cc: fdc@columbia.edu Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: d20g2000yqh.googlegroups.com; posting-host=209.98.249.184; posting-account=OjKUgAkAAAAXAqdVEKd-Gc8RltEUx3Xq User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; OpenVMS COMPAQ_Professional_Workstation; en-US; rv:1.8.1.17) Gecko/20081029 SeaMonkey/1.1.12,gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15851 comp.os.vms:515755 Frank da Cruz wrote: > As far as I can tell the replacement ckuusy.c file is exactly the same > as the one in the current C-Kermit 9.0 distribution: > > http://kermit.columbia.edu/ck90.html The only fix in there was for the misplaced brace ("}", "/* This is the most horrible hack ever */"). I haven't fetched a source kit since 2009-11-20 (as my directory name should suggest), so if that fix is in, then that's fine. > As for VMS 8.3 / Itanium, I don't see any reason why this or any other > recent version of Kermit would not work on it. [...] Sounds right to me, but I haven't tested much there (or anywhere else) beyond getting the thing built. I did notice one questionable comment in ckvker.com: $! 01-Feb-07 1.4? sms Added P1 options where I said "1.4?" instead of "1.41", because I didn't know if there was anything newer than what I was looking at. Apparently, this is now known. From arne@vajhoej.dk Fri Jan 1 17:27:11 2010 Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed-00.mathworks.com!news.tele.dk!feed118.news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!goblin2!goblin.stu.neva.ru!news.net.uni-c.dk!dotsrc.org!filter.dotsrc.org!news.dotsrc.org!not-for-mail Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 14:50:53 -0500 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Arne_Vajh=F8j?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.5) Gecko/20091204 Lightning/1.0b2pre Thunderbird/3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.os.vms Subject: Re: Kermit on Itanium VMS References: <41039cdf-a708-489b-8146-986ec706ab5e@p8g2000yqb.googlegroups.com> <9c86a820-511f-4219-aecf-cfd31d9bdbcb@j4g2000yqe.googlegroups.com> <4a0e79e9-b366-43c7-a66f-6099a5c5b3a9@v25g2000yqk.googlegroups.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 26 Message-ID: <4b3baf18$0$269$14726298@news.sunsite.dk> Organization: SunSITE.dk - Supporting Open source NNTP-Posting-Host: 72.192.23.157 X-Trace: news.sunsite.dk DXC=VI2b=WG8QZ>kVm3Q1RnDK5YSB=nbEKnk;5F?VN5=jOQ2JPe3\kP5EU1KBm9cfh9BS4M2;kT<[:>[11JUlL`m8kF2;VU8@m4o=D? X-Complaints-To: staff@sunsite.dk Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15855 comp.os.vms:515796 On 29-12-2009 14:41, glen herrmannsfeldt wrote: > In comp.os.vms Frank da Cruz wrote: > (snip) >> VMS is one of the few surviving OS's that pays serious attention to the >> now deprecated if not forgoteen concepts of stability and backwards >> compatibility from one release to another, so any VMS / IA64 binary that >> you find in the archive: > > As I understand it, z/OS will still run OS/360 load modules, such > as the PL/I compiler written and assembled over 40 years ago. > I don't believe the VMS currently can run any binaries over 40 > years old. VMS did not exist 40 years ago. But within the obvious limitation of the same instruction set, then I would expect VMS programs to also continue to run forever. Meaning that a VMS VAX 1.0 program from 1978 should run today VMS VAX 7.3 and a VMS Alpha 1.0 (before version number synchronization was done) program from 1992 should run today on VMS Alpha 8.3. Arne PS: I don't think it is so unique. From arne@vajhoej.dk Fri Jan 1 17:27:35 2010 Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed-00.mathworks.com!kanaga.switch.ch!switch.ch!newsfeed2.funet.fi!newsfeed1.funet.fi!newsfeeds.funet.fi!uio.no!hist.no!news.net.uni-c.dk!dotsrc.org!filter.dotsrc.org!news.dotsrc.org!not-for-mail Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 14:51:57 -0500 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Arne_Vajh=F8j?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.5) Gecko/20091204 Lightning/1.0b2pre Thunderbird/3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.os.vms Subject: Re: Kermit on Itanium VMS References: <41039cdf-a708-489b-8146-986ec706ab5e@p8g2000yqb.googlegroups.com> <9c86a820-511f-4219-aecf-cfd31d9bdbcb@j4g2000yqe.googlegroups.com> <4a0e79e9-b366-43c7-a66f-6099a5c5b3a9@v25g2000yqk.googlegroups.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 40 Message-ID: <4b3baf57$0$269$14726298@news.sunsite.dk> Organization: SunSITE.dk - Supporting Open source NNTP-Posting-Host: 72.192.23.157 X-Trace: news.sunsite.dk DXC=;nXRlBfTDAc`=De8eDBgc`YSB=nbEKnkk5F?VN5=jOQbJPe3\kP5EUaKBm9cfh9BSdM2;kT<[:>[a1JUlL`m8kFb;VU8@m4o=Do X-Complaints-To: staff@sunsite.dk Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15856 comp.os.vms:515797 On 29-12-2009 17:11, Ken Fairfield wrote: > On Dec 29, 1:05 pm, Michael Kraemer wrote: >> glen herrmannsfeldt schrieb: >> >>> In comp.os.vms Frank da Cruz wrote: >>> (snip) >> >>>> VMS is one of the few surviving OS's that pays serious attention to the >>>> now deprecated if not forgoteen concepts of stability and backwards >>>> compatibility from one release to another, so any VMS / IA64 binary that >>>> you find in the archive: >> >>> As I understand it, z/OS will still run OS/360 load modules, such >>> as the PL/I compiler written and assembled over 40 years ago. >>> I don't believe the VMS currently can run any binaries over 40 >>> years old. >> >> I wonder if it can run binaries 20 years young. >> Or would a VAX binary of 1989 run on current Itanic hardware, >> out-of-the-box? > > Assuming that's a serious question (is it? really?), the answer is > a simple "no". VAX binaries are different from Alpha binaries are > different from IA64 binaries (because the underlying architecture > off the three are so different from each other). Period, end of > story. > > Many (most?) VAX binaries could be translated to Alpha binaries > using a utility called VEST. Many (most?) Alpha binaries can > similarly be translated to IA64 binaries using the analogous > Itanium translator (whose name escapes me). > > I don't believe there was ever an Alpha to VAX "back" translator, > nor is there one for IA64 to Alpha (or VAX). AEST http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/products/omsva/omsais.html Arne From rgilbert88@comcast.net Fri Jan 1 17:27:57 2010 Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed-00.mathworks.com!newsfeed2.dallas1.level3.net!news.level3.com!postnews.google.com!news1.google.com!Xl.tags.giganews.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!local2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!news.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 14:45:57 -0600 Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 15:45:57 -0500 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" Reply-To: rgilbert88@comcast.net User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.os.vms Subject: Re: Kermit on Itanium VMS References: <41039cdf-a708-489b-8146-986ec706ab5e@p8g2000yqb.googlegroups.com> <9c86a820-511f-4219-aecf-cfd31d9bdbcb@j4g2000yqe.googlegroups.com> <4a0e79e9-b366-43c7-a66f-6099a5c5b3a9@v25g2000yqk.googlegroups.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: Lines: 21 X-Usenet-Provider: http://www.giganews.com X-Trace: sv3-X1MjRcQFgCBQ6CCEMoxJ0y14709cmj5wGUwsk9w19DVb9E8w4W25oeSNEMxVhgAskZwlbOaVZKBREU1!aj+8RVLfTU0sH1PPD6OvhmxvEdKmr/InNib/wx3rP4PGwfd0iLczOrOwhBwEBebt+J0G/mxS1Z8= X-Complaints-To: abuse@giganews.com X-DMCA-Notifications: http://www.giganews.com/info/dmca.html X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.40 Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15857 comp.os.vms:515799 glen herrmannsfeldt wrote: > In comp.os.vms Frank da Cruz wrote: > (snip) > >> VMS is one of the few surviving OS's that pays serious attention to the >> now deprecated if not forgoteen concepts of stability and backwards >> compatibility from one release to another, so any VMS / IA64 binary that >> you find in the archive: > > As I understand it, z/OS will still run OS/360 load modules, such > as the PL/I compiler written and assembled over 40 years ago. > I don't believe the VMS currently can run any binaries over 40 > years old. > > -- glen Err. . . How about RSX images in compatibility mode on a VAX 11/780 or 11/750? After all these years I have a little difficulty imagining why anyone would want to but given sufficient incentives it's possible to do it. From ken.fairfield@gmail.com Fri Jan 1 17:28:08 2010 Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!usenet.stanford.edu!postnews.google.com!d20g2000yqh.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: Ken Fairfield Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.os.vms Subject: Re: Kermit on Itanium VMS Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 12:58:04 -0800 (PST) Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 32 Message-ID: <66772871-5558-46ea-b26f-643f201dac0b@d20g2000yqh.googlegroups.com> References: <41039cdf-a708-489b-8146-986ec706ab5e@p8g2000yqb.googlegroups.com> <9c86a820-511f-4219-aecf-cfd31d9bdbcb@j4g2000yqe.googlegroups.com> <4a0e79e9-b366-43c7-a66f-6099a5c5b3a9@v25g2000yqk.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.130.228.100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: posting.google.com 1262206685 11335 127.0.0.1 (30 Dec 2009 20:58:05 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 20:58:05 +0000 (UTC) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: d20g2000yqh.googlegroups.com; posting-host=204.130.228.100; posting-account=4iJO7QoAAADuBne6i_EVtbUyddPI2IeP User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.6) Gecko/20091201 Firefox/3.5.6,gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15858 comp.os.vms:515800 On Dec 30, 12:45=A0pm, "Richard B. Gilbert" wrote: > glen herrmannsfeldt wrote: > > In comp.os.vms Frank da Cruz wrote: > > (snip) > > >> VMS is one of the few surviving OS's that pays serious attention to th= e > >> now deprecated if not forgoteen concepts of stability and backwards > >> compatibility from one release to another, so any VMS / IA64 binary th= at > >> you find in the archive: > > > As I understand it, z/OS will still run OS/360 load modules, such > > as the PL/I compiler written and assembled over 40 years ago. =A0 > > I don't believe the VMS currently can run any binaries over 40 > > years old. > > > -- glen > > Err. . . =A0How about RSX images in compatibility mode on a VAX 11/780 or > 11/750? > > After all these years I have a little difficulty imagining why anyone > would want to but given sufficient incentives it's possible to do it. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought compatibility mode was dropped after VMS 3.x. I do know that it stopped being shipped as part of base VMS, i.e., for at least a while it was a separately licensed product, but is it still available on VMS/VAX 7.3? -Ken From rgilbert88@comcast.net Fri Jan 1 17:28:22 2010 Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!4.24.21.218.MISMATCH!newsfeed2.dallas1.level3.net!news.level3.com!postnews.google.com!news2.google.com!Xl.tags.giganews.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!local2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!news.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 15:14:28 -0600 Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 16:14:28 -0500 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" Reply-To: rgilbert88@comcast.net User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.os.vms Subject: Re: Kermit on Itanium VMS References: <41039cdf-a708-489b-8146-986ec706ab5e@p8g2000yqb.googlegroups.com> <9c86a820-511f-4219-aecf-cfd31d9bdbcb@j4g2000yqe.googlegroups.com> <4a0e79e9-b366-43c7-a66f-6099a5c5b3a9@v25g2000yqk.googlegroups.com> <66772871-5558-46ea-b26f-643f201dac0b@d20g2000yqh.googlegroups.com> In-Reply-To: <66772871-5558-46ea-b26f-643f201dac0b@d20g2000yqh.googlegroups.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <1OSdnTx8WqkpX6bWnZ2dnUVZ_ridnZ2d@giganews.com> Lines: 34 X-Usenet-Provider: http://www.giganews.com X-Trace: sv3-ul7mfYk+Ukl7vr9XmngBq9Jnq0rjQp5+a0siMG/wvns4K0sXtN5VcBcH8GQVEtEt4epgEgHELbNaeIo!nIOGpT19ezAaMAlPIBGemftIgLOnf4Zu55ApLuWAhVmihApKC/secwUo5qn8AMqOLOfIRkOcYCE= X-Complaints-To: abuse@giganews.com X-DMCA-Notifications: http://www.giganews.com/info/dmca.html X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.40 Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15859 comp.os.vms:515802 Ken Fairfield wrote: > On Dec 30, 12:45 pm, "Richard B. Gilbert" > wrote: >> glen herrmannsfeldt wrote: >>> In comp.os.vms Frank da Cruz wrote: >>> (snip) >>>> VMS is one of the few surviving OS's that pays serious attention to the >>>> now deprecated if not forgoteen concepts of stability and backwards >>>> compatibility from one release to another, so any VMS / IA64 binary that >>>> you find in the archive: >>> As I understand it, z/OS will still run OS/360 load modules, such >>> as the PL/I compiler written and assembled over 40 years ago. >>> I don't believe the VMS currently can run any binaries over 40 >>> years old. >>> -- glen >> Err. . . How about RSX images in compatibility mode on a VAX 11/780 or >> 11/750? >> >> After all these years I have a little difficulty imagining why anyone >> would want to but given sufficient incentives it's possible to do it. > > Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought compatibility mode was > dropped after VMS 3.x. I do know that it stopped being shipped > as part of base VMS, i.e., for at least a while it was a separately > licensed product, but is it still available on VMS/VAX 7.3? > > -Ken It was alive and well under 3.7. I think you might have to resurrect a VAX 11/7xx machine and a copy of VMS V3.x in order to do it today. I question if this is a real problem for anyone today. If it is, I feel sorry (but not too sorry) for those responsible! From john.santos@post.harvard.edu Fri Jan 1 17:29:17 2010 Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!usenet.stanford.edu!postnews.google.com!news1.google.com!Xl.tags.giganews.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!local2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!news.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 01:29:35 -0600 From: John Santos Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.os.vms Subject: Re: Kermit on Itanium VMS Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 02:29:36 -0500 Message-ID: References: <41039cdf-a708-489b-8146-986ec706ab5e@p8g2000yqb.googlegroups.com> <9c86a820-511f-4219-aecf-cfd31d9bdbcb@j4g2000yqe.googlegroups.com> <4a0e79e9-b366-43c7-a66f-6099a5c5b3a9@v25g2000yqk.googlegroups.com> <66772871-5558-46ea-b26f-643f201dac0b@d20g2000yqh.googlegroups.com> <1OSdnTx8WqkpX6bWnZ2dnUVZ_ridnZ2d@giganews.com> Organization: Home MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: MicroPlanet-Gravity/2.71.4 Lines: 52 X-Usenet-Provider: http://www.giganews.com X-Trace: sv3-xOJayxFMuNFTrLmV5y9FwMGqS4g7PFUY2H2Ag6Vtu6C0PG8Z/sTHqudQMAza8VpzLRnRYVPTYowFOnT!wNvdiyR97MvY5vTn3zlEBfg27j9MwyS72yHfB8BpjdcPKn38HtBzjxGd/i4CawuRBwUwGgHI7Q== X-Complaints-To: abuse@giganews.com X-DMCA-Notifications: http://www.giganews.com/info/dmca.html X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.40 Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15862 comp.os.vms:515806 In article <1OSdnTx8WqkpX6bWnZ2dnUVZ_ridnZ2d@giganews.com>, rgilbert88 @comcast.net says...> > Ken Fairfield wrote: > > On Dec 30, 12:45 pm, "Richard B. Gilbert" > > wrote: > >> glen herrmannsfeldt wrote: > >>> In comp.os.vms Frank da Cruz wrote: > >>> (snip) > >>>> VMS is one of the few surviving OS's that pays serious attention to the > >>>> now deprecated if not forgoteen concepts of stability and backwards > >>>> compatibility from one release to another, so any VMS / IA64 binary that > >>>> you find in the archive: > >>> As I understand it, z/OS will still run OS/360 load modules, such > >>> as the PL/I compiler written and assembled over 40 years ago. > >>> I don't believe the VMS currently can run any binaries over 40 > >>> years old. > >>> -- glen > >> Err. . . How about RSX images in compatibility mode on a VAX 11/780 or > >> 11/750? > >> > >> After all these years I have a little difficulty imagining why anyone > >> would want to but given sufficient incentives it's possible to do it. > > > > Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought compatibility mode was > > dropped after VMS 3.x. I do know that it stopped being shipped > > as part of base VMS, i.e., for at least a while it was a separately > > licensed product, but is it still available on VMS/VAX 7.3? > > > > -Ken > > It was alive and well under 3.7. I think you might have to resurrect a > VAX 11/7xx machine and a copy of VMS V3.x in order to do it today. > > I question if this is a real problem for anyone today. If it is, I feel > sorry (but not too sorry) for those responsible! The RSX-11 AME still runs on OpenVMS-VAX V7.3 (or whatever the official name is.) As does ROSS/V (RSTS/E emulation). I don't know if you can get support for VAX-11/RSX, since Mentec seems to have crawled into the woodwork. We no longer have any supported ROSS/V customers, but offer me enough $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$. :-) However the oldest RSX executables are from the early 1970s. RSTS/E .BAC files from V6A (1974?) should still run. I don't remember if anyone has ever tried anything older than that. Same with mid-70's RT11 executables that ran under real RSTS/E back then. I'm not sure when the original PIP.SAV was released, maybe with V6B (early 1976), but it should still work on ROSS/V on VAXes unless it has Y2K problems. -- John From koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org Fri Jan 1 17:29:34 2010 Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed-00.mathworks.com!news.tele.dk!feed118.news.tele.dk!dotsrc.org!filter.dotsrc.org!news.dotsrc.org!not-for-mail From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.os.vms Subject: Re: Kermit on Itanium VMS Message-ID: Date: 31 Dec 2009 15:28:47 -0600 References: <66772871-5558-46ea-b26f-643f201dac0b@d20g2000yqh.googlegroups.com> Organization: Encompasserve Lines: 13 NNTP-Posting-Host: 67.53.90.116 X-Trace: news.sunsite.dk DXC=TJf_IZig5D6N=S_a\VX>h;YSB=nbEKnk;bWPR\iORd70T1og, Ken Fairfield writes: > > Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought compatibility mode was > dropped after VMS 3.x. I do know that it stopped being shipped > as part of base VMS, i.e., for at least a while it was a separately > licensed product, but is it still available on VMS/VAX 7.3? Compatability mode is a hardware capability that stopped shipping during the VAX 8000 series. The OS support, called the RSX AME, continued to ship as an optional product and added a compatability mode emulator so that VAXen without compatability mode hardware could still run RSX images. From drb@ihatespam.msu.edu Fri Jan 1 17:30:40 2010 Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!4.24.21.218.MISMATCH!newsfeed2.dallas1.level3.net!news.level3.com!postnews.google.com!news2.google.com!Xl.tags.giganews.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!local2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!news.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 20:53:06 -0600 From: drb@ihatespam.msu.edu (Dennis Boone) Subject: Re: Kermit on Itanium VMS Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.os.vms References: <9c86a820-511f-4219-aecf-cfd31d9bdbcb@j4g2000yqe.googlegroups.com> <4a0e79e9-b366-43c7-a66f-6099a5c5b3a9@v25g2000yqk.googlegroups.com> Organization: H-Net Humanities and Social Sciences Online User-Agent: tin/1.9.5-20090720 ("Rieclachan") (UNIX) (Linux/2.6.29-2-686-bigmem (i686)) Message-ID: <_fmdnSrGyNiPj6HWnZ2dnUVZ_r-dnZ2d@giganews.com> Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 20:53:06 -0600 Lines: 24 X-Usenet-Provider: http://www.giganews.com X-Trace: sv3-RDfBwrZmHtsbV7GBAa1K4XMnG40aY7EiuZj2PSaNhXJWM6U0CFjJ1MpgbVsjPuwYAppyqHQpjtM44tN!uv+zaYV1umjrr2YUQcjCZIRIhZ8k7VHsNkoevlU8EXrQXfI6Bm1VKpztMn9O0/s0zRPHNd0= X-Complaints-To: abuse@giganews.com X-DMCA-Notifications: http://www.giganews.com/info/dmca.html X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.40 Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15860 comp.os.vms:515804 > After all these years I have a little difficulty imagining why anyone > would want to but given sufficient incentives it's possible to do it. Imagining it isn't so hard. One of the key things mickeysoft fails to understand is that _some_ people do occasionally need to use old data. We had a textbook written 25 years ago using MacWord 1.0 that we needed to read. None of the Mac or Windows Words we could find would touch it. (IIRC, even the version of MacWord which followed 1.0 wouldn't.) None of the word processor format converters we could find would touch it. We ended up using Word 1.0 to extract the text, and were fortunate that a student around the office happened to have a very old Mac with that very old software installed. Archivists these days are trying to figure out how to prevent the last 40 years of data and documents from vanishing down the ratholes of history. They're faced with choices like doing one-shot conversions to flat text, hoping like hell that newer versions will read older documents, running old software on the ever decreasing collection of old hardware, or running it in emulation. Like any other endeavour, the working solution seems to be a hybrid. De From rgilbert88@comcast.net Fri Jan 1 17:31:10 2010 Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!usenet.stanford.edu!news.glorb.com!news2.glorb.com!Xl.tags.giganews.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!local2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!news.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 23:22:59 -0600 Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 00:22:58 -0500 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" Reply-To: rgilbert88@comcast.net User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.os.vms Subject: Re: Kermit on Itanium VMS References: <9c86a820-511f-4219-aecf-cfd31d9bdbcb@j4g2000yqe.googlegroups.com> <4a0e79e9-b366-43c7-a66f-6099a5c5b3a9@v25g2000yqk.googlegroups.com> <_fmdnSrGyNiPj6HWnZ2dnUVZ_r-dnZ2d@giganews.com> In-Reply-To: <_fmdnSrGyNiPj6HWnZ2dnUVZ_r-dnZ2d@giganews.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: Lines: 35 X-Usenet-Provider: http://www.giganews.com X-Trace: sv3-247KYk0/PeCSGwxEqqwEiNPvP2ywIIvpY2PaynBCVJDHbMQsXvS+U/zVWiCf7HEWAyoCKT/rTeZ8eBE!VfZh3GYk/P50kjKxfR8tgdV+jFU60XSuB4h2RKVDm7jIV0HXRtcYNUzLzfObKZEki1jpIV/H7Tw= X-Complaints-To: abuse@giganews.com X-DMCA-Notifications: http://www.giganews.com/info/dmca.html X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.40 Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15861 comp.os.vms:515805 Dennis Boone wrote: > > After all these years I have a little difficulty imagining why anyone > > would want to but given sufficient incentives it's possible to do it. > > Imagining it isn't so hard. > > One of the key things mickeysoft fails to understand is that _some_ > people do occasionally need to use old data. We had a textbook written > 25 years ago using MacWord 1.0 that we needed to read. None of the > Mac or Windows Words we could find would touch it. (IIRC, even the > version of MacWord which followed 1.0 wouldn't.) None of the word > processor format converters we could find would touch it. We ended up > using Word 1.0 to extract the text, and were fortunate that a student > around the office happened to have a very old Mac with that very old > software installed. > > Archivists these days are trying to figure out how to prevent the > last 40 years of data and documents from vanishing down the ratholes > of history. They're faced with choices like doing one-shot conversions > to flat text, hoping like hell that newer versions will read older > documents, running old software on the ever decreasing collection of > old hardware, or running it in emulation. Like any other endeavour, > the working solution seems to be a hybrid. > > De If the text or data is really that valuable you can print the text on high quality (acid free) paper and copy the data to modern media. If you can't read the original media, I can put you in touch with a guy who makes his living reading weird, obsolete, or deteriorated media. Keep in mind that Sturgeon's Law applies here. Sturgeon's Law is "Ninety percent of everything is crud!" I'm inclined to believe that Sturgeon's constant is far too optimistic; I think ninety-eight percent is probably closer to being correct. From M.Kraemer@gsi.de Fri Jan 1 17:31:35 2010 Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!news.linkpendium.com!news.linkpendium.com!feeder.erje.net!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!newsmm00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!news.t-online.com!not-for-mail From: Michael Kraemer Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.os.vms Subject: Re: Kermit on Itanium VMS Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 10:27:15 +0100 Organization: T-Online Lines: 18 Message-ID: References: <9c86a820-511f-4219-aecf-cfd31d9bdbcb@j4g2000yqe.googlegroups.com> <4a0e79e9-b366-43c7-a66f-6099a5c5b3a9@v25g2000yqk.googlegroups.com> <_fmdnSrGyNiPj6HWnZ2dnUVZ_r-dnZ2d@giganews.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news.t-online.com 1262251635 00 n759 j6ycp92OaFweurt 091231 09:27:15 X-Complaints-To: usenet-abuse@t-online.de X-ID: TFC0ycZAYexFnfB5QErY737xcv4e-B+JVSHgFxlc2N3Gfou7gYn7kG User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (OS/2; U; Warp 4.5; de-DE; rv:1.3) Gecko/20030616 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en In-Reply-To: <_fmdnSrGyNiPj6HWnZ2dnUVZ_r-dnZ2d@giganews.com> Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15863 comp.os.vms:515811 Dennis Boone schrieb: > One of the key things mickeysoft fails to understand is that _some_ > people do occasionally need to use old data. We had a textbook written > 25 years ago using MacWord 1.0 that we needed to read. None of the > Mac or Windows Words we could find would touch it. There's a reason they called it "Word" and not "Book" or "Text". Should have used [La]TeX, i.e. plain ASCII. > Archivists these days are trying to figure out how to prevent the > last 40 years of data and documents from vanishing down the ratholes > of history. One might be tempted to say: if it's not printed on paper, it's not worth keeping it. From koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org Fri Jan 1 17:32:28 2010 Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed-00.mathworks.com!news.tele.dk!feed118.news.tele.dk!dotsrc.org!filter.dotsrc.org!news.dotsrc.org!not-for-mail From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.os.vms Subject: Re: Kermit on Itanium VMS Message-ID: Date: 31 Dec 2009 15:25:56 -0600 References: <41039cdf-a708-489b-8146-986ec706ab5e@p8g2000yqb.googlegroups.com> <9c86a820-511f-4219-aecf-cfd31d9bdbcb@j4g2000yqe.googlegroups.com> <4a0e79e9-b366-43c7-a66f-6099a5c5b3a9@v25g2000yqk.googlegroups.com> , "Richard B. Gilbert" writes: > > Err. . . How about RSX images in compatibility mode on a VAX 11/780 or > 11/750? > > After all these years I have a little difficulty imagining why anyone > would want to but given sufficient incentives it's possible to do it. Is the RSX AME still supported under 7.3? If so, then, yes, it may be possible to run a 40 year old binary on the latest VMS for VAX. But that depends on the definition of "run". The AME added compatability mode emulation when the first VAXen without compatability mode shipped. I'm fairly sure you could also get 40 year old images to run on SIMH on just about any platform. So if I have SIMH simulating a PDP-11 on an Itanium, am I "running" 40 year old images on the latest VMS for Itanium? Or do we require hardware execution of the instructions to at least the extent that VAX-11 series microcode implemented compatability mode instructions? From arne@vajhoej.dk Fri Jan 1 17:32:50 2010 Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed-00.mathworks.com!news.tele.dk!feed118.news.tele.dk!dotsrc.org!filter.dotsrc.org!news.dotsrc.org!not-for-mail Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 21:25:48 -0500 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Arne_Vajh=F8j?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.5) Gecko/20091204 Lightning/1.0b2pre Thunderbird/3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.os.vms Subject: Re: Kermit on Itanium VMS References: <41039cdf-a708-489b-8146-986ec706ab5e@p8g2000yqb.googlegroups.com> <9c86a820-511f-4219-aecf-cfd31d9bdbcb@j4g2000yqe.googlegroups.com> <4a0e79e9-b366-43c7-a66f-6099a5c5b3a9@v25g2000yqk.googlegroups.com> <7q4ng6F3u28giU1@mid.individual.net> In-Reply-To: <7q4ng6F3u28giU1@mid.individual.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 47 Message-ID: <4b3d5d25$0$274$14726298@news.sunsite.dk> Organization: SunSITE.dk - Supporting Open source NNTP-Posting-Host: 72.192.23.157 X-Trace: news.sunsite.dk DXC=Mk0g3=HlaR]D]J=fIXJe6_YSB=nbEKnk[\nOh:GOM;cYJPe3\kP5EUQKBm9cfh9BSTM2;kT<[:>[Q7D;?\f2c?PSf_Q`M54McbR X-Complaints-To: staff@sunsite.dk Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15869 comp.os.vms:515872 On 31-12-2009 17:39, Bill Gunshannon wrote: > In article, > koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes: >> In article, "Richard B. Gilbert" writes: >>> Err. . . How about RSX images in compatibility mode on a VAX 11/780 or >>> 11/750? >>> >>> After all these years I have a little difficulty imagining why anyone >>> would want to but given sufficient incentives it's possible to do it. >> >> Is the RSX AME still supported under 7.3? >> >> If so, then, yes, it may be possible to run a 40 year old binary >> on the latest VMS for VAX. >> >> But that depends on the definition of "run". The AME added >> compatability mode emulation when the first VAXen without >> compatability mode shipped. I'm fairly sure you could also get >> 40 year old images to run on SIMH on just about any platform. >> >> So if I have SIMH simulating a PDP-11 on an Itanium, am I "running" >> 40 year old images on the latest VMS for Itanium? >> >> Or do we require hardware execution of the instructions to at least >> the extent that VAX-11 series microcode implemented compatability >> mode instructions? > > And, once again, people here have completely missed the point. IBM > (and I am pretty sure UNISYS) have maintained that compatability from > the very beginning with no breaks in between. We are not talking about > someone coming along after the fact and writting an emulator but the > original company thinking that backwards compatability was necesary > enough to build it into their products even after the original > hardware ceased to exist. We are not talking about "VESTING", we > are talking about just plain running old programs. DEC could have kept PDP-11 compatibility mode in all VAX'es and have added both PDP-11 and VAX compatibility modes to Alpha. But I doubt that it would have been worth the cost. The VMS market is not like the IBM mainframe market. And UNISYS is mostly selling services and x86-64 servers with Windows and Linux today. Arne From jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca Fri Jan 1 17:33:01 2010 Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!usenet.stanford.edu!news.kjsl.com!news.alt.net!news.astraweb.com!border1.newsrouter.astraweb.com!not-for-mail Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 21:42:23 -0500 From: JF Mezei User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Macintosh/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.os.vms Subject: Re: Kermit on Itanium VMS References: <41039cdf-a708-489b-8146-986ec706ab5e@p8g2000yqb.googlegroups.com> <9c86a820-511f-4219-aecf-cfd31d9bdbcb@j4g2000yqe.googlegroups.com> <4a0e79e9-b366-43c7-a66f-6099a5c5b3a9@v25g2000yqk.googlegroups.com> <7q4ng6F3u28giU1@mid.individual.net> <4b3d5d25$0$274$14726298@news.sunsite.dk> In-Reply-To: <4b3d5d25$0$274$14726298@news.sunsite.dk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Lines: 9 Message-ID: <009b9ce1$0$8185$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com> Organization: Unlimited download news at news.astraweb.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 0b02d05a.news.astraweb.com X-Trace: DXC=\7ka:>0d5;:3BQo Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15870 comp.os.vms:515876 Arne Vajhøj wrote: > DEC could have kept PDP-11 compatibility mode in all VAX'es and have > added both PDP-11 and VAX compatibility modes to Alpha. The lack of success of IA64 can be blamed squarely on the fact that IA64 doesn't provide PDP-11 emulation :-) From rgilbert88@comcast.net Fri Jan 1 17:33:10 2010 Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!4.24.21.218.MISMATCH!newsfeed2.dallas1.level3.net!news.level3.com!postnews.google.com!news2.google.com!Xl.tags.giganews.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!local2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!news.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 01 Jan 2010 08:59:06 -0600 Date: Fri, 01 Jan 2010 09:59:04 -0500 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" Reply-To: rgilbert88@comcast.net User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.os.vms Subject: Re: Kermit on Itanium VMS References: <41039cdf-a708-489b-8146-986ec706ab5e@p8g2000yqb.googlegroups.com> <9c86a820-511f-4219-aecf-cfd31d9bdbcb@j4g2000yqe.googlegroups.com> <4a0e79e9-b366-43c7-a66f-6099a5c5b3a9@v25g2000yqk.googlegroups.com> <7q4ng6F3u28giU1@mid.individual.net> <4b3d5d25$0$274$14726298@news.sunsite.dk> <009b9ce1$0$8185$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com> In-Reply-To: <009b9ce1$0$8185$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <5OKdnY3xy88nkKPWnZ2dnUVZ_rJi4p2d@giganews.com> Lines: 12 X-Usenet-Provider: http://www.giganews.com X-Trace: sv3-VwFkY70JvKSFEOlF/nBDgMVP2JLApzLpW34hQGwnvKXmROXYZbnkCnADGh0Aq3zU2C6rw2IgUUy6woK!iWhj3YNob+mHrawGSgYcfq6SixhOWEH4x/0vIUALjyZgyPdEjauq3LHwYqe0Ycl2/mWFrmbmO2Y= X-Complaints-To: abuse@giganews.com X-DMCA-Notifications: http://www.giganews.com/info/dmca.html X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.40 Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15871 comp.os.vms:515883 JF Mezei wrote: > Arne Vajhøj wrote: > >> DEC could have kept PDP-11 compatibility mode in all VAX'es and have >> added both PDP-11 and VAX compatibility modes to Alpha. > > > The lack of success of IA64 can be blamed squarely on the fact that IA64 > doesn't provide PDP-11 emulation :-) > Er. . . . How do you account for the success of Alpha? From koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org Fri Jan 1 17:33:17 2010 Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed-00.mathworks.com!news.tele.dk!feed118.news.tele.dk!dotsrc.org!filter.dotsrc.org!news.dotsrc.org!not-for-mail From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.os.vms Subject: Re: Kermit on Itanium VMS Message-ID: Date: 1 Jan 2010 14:32:32 -0600 References: <41039cdf-a708-489b-8146-986ec706ab5e@p8g2000yqb.googlegroups.com> <9c86a820-511f-4219-aecf-cfd31d9bdbcb@j4g2000yqe.googlegroups.com> <4a0e79e9-b366-43c7-a66f-6099a5c5b3a9@v25g2000yqk.googlegroups.com> n`NJhJ>@]lW2_Qa?Yk]^YSB=nbEKnk[Vi3W\, "Richard B. Gilbert" writes: > > Er. . . . How do you account for the success of Alpha? Implementation of F floating point, just like PDP-11. 8-) From fdc@panix.com Fri Jan 1 17:46:34 2010 Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!not-for-mail From: Frank da Cruz Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.os.vms Subject: Re: Kermit on Itanium VMS Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2010 22:45:39 +0000 (UTC) Organization: PANIX Public Access Internet and UNIX, NYC Lines: 20 Message-ID: References: <9c86a820-511f-4219-aecf-cfd31d9bdbcb@j4g2000yqe.googlegroups.com> <4a0e79e9-b366-43c7-a66f-6099a5c5b3a9@v25g2000yqk.googlegroups.com> Reply-To: fdc@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: panix1.panix.com X-Trace: reader1.panix.com 1262385939 21714 166.84.1.1 (1 Jan 2010 22:45:39 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@panix.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2010 22:45:39 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0 (NetBSD) Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15873 comp.os.vms:515899 On 2009-12-31, glen herrmannsfeldt wrote: : In comp.os.vms Paul Sture wrote: : (snip) : :> Unfortunately I don't have a VT52 emulator to run it on, and the sources :> seem to be long lost :-( : : I thought that a version of kermit I used to use included the option : of VT52 emulation. Or maybe I am remembering a telnet client, : such as NCSA telnet. : Both Kermit 95 for Windows and MD-DOS Kermit for DOS include VT52 emulation. Also VT100, 102, 220, and 320 (the latter two minus some features like downloadable character sets, page switching, etc). http://kermit.columbia.edu/k95.html http://kermit.columbia.edu/mskermit.html - Frank From paul.nospam@sture.ch Mon Jan 4 10:50:13 2010 Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!news.linkpendium.com!news.linkpendium.com!feeder.erje.net!newsfeed.utanet.at!newsfeed01.chello.at!newsfeed02.chello.at!news.hispeed.ch.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Paul Sture Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.os.vms Subject: Re: Kermit on Itanium VMS Organization: SQLite and PostgreSQL References: <9c86a820-511f-4219-aecf-cfd31d9bdbcb@j4g2000yqe.googlegroups.com> <4a0e79e9-b366-43c7-a66f-6099a5c5b3a9@v25g2000yqk.googlegroups.com> User-Agent: MT-NewsWatcher/3.5.3b3 (PPC Mac OS X) Date: Sat, 02 Jan 2010 00:18:56 +0100 Message-ID: X-Complaints-To: abuse@hispeed.ch Lines: 23 NNTP-Posting-Host: 84.75.158.233 (84.75.158.233) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 02 Jan 2010 07:56:18 +0100 X-Trace: 7621d4b3eee12f1ee3b4c29798 Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15874 comp.os.vms:515924 In article , glen herrmannsfeldt wrote: > In comp.os.vms Paul Sture wrote: > (snip) > > > Unfortunately I don't have a VT52 emulator to run it on, and the sources > > seem to be long lost :-( > > I thought that a version of kermit I used to use included the option > of VT52 emulation. Or maybe I am remembering a telnet client, > such as NCSA telnet. > I've a feeling VT52 support was there in the original Kermit, but not C-Kermit. OTOH, VT52 support is there on many Alpha consoles (all but the early Alphas IIRC), so doing a SET HOST through to a VAX from one of those should do the trick. -- Paul Sture From mark@msapiro.net Mon Jan 4 10:50:29 2010 Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!usenet.stanford.edu!postnews.google.com!m25g2000yqc.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: Mark Sapiro Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.os.vms Subject: Re: Kermit on Itanium VMS Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 06:36:28 -0800 (PST) Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 17 Message-ID: References: <9c86a820-511f-4219-aecf-cfd31d9bdbcb@j4g2000yqe.googlegroups.com> <4a0e79e9-b366-43c7-a66f-6099a5c5b3a9@v25g2000yqk.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.183.193.239 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: posting.google.com 1262442989 18003 127.0.0.1 (2 Jan 2010 14:36:29 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 14:36:29 +0000 (UTC) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: m25g2000yqc.googlegroups.com; posting-host=68.183.193.239; posting-account=BAH0qQgAAABcTsGtrBPRBzfORCj2-xhy User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.6) Gecko/20091201 Firefox/3.5.6 (.NET CLR 3.5.30729),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15876 comp.os.vms:515937 On Jan 1, 3:18=A0pm, Paul Sture wrote: > > I've a feeling VT52 support was there in the original Kermit, but not > C-Kermit. As Frank said, VT-52 emulation (and other DEC terminal emulations) still exists in MS-DOS Kermit and Kermit-95. C-Kermit has never been a terminal emulator. It works with whatever terminal (xterm, console, whatever) that you use to access the system you run it on. -- Mark Sapiro Any clod can have the facts; San Francisco Bay Area, California having opinions is an art. - C. McCabe, The Fearless Spectator From M.Kraemer@gsi.de Mon Jan 4 10:51:31 2010 Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed-00.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!newsmm00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!news.t-online.com!not-for-mail From: Michael Kraemer Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.os.vms Subject: Re: Kermit on Itanium VMS Date: Sat, 02 Jan 2010 11:55:27 +0100 Organization: T-Online Lines: 42 Message-ID: References: <41039cdf-a708-489b-8146-986ec706ab5e@p8g2000yqb.googlegroups.com> <9c86a820-511f-4219-aecf-cfd31d9bdbcb@j4g2000yqe.googlegroups.com> <4a0e79e9-b366-43c7-a66f-6099a5c5b3a9@v25g2000yqk.googlegroups.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news.t-online.com 1262429728 02 n26176 QIddpvkrknrXSs+U 100102 10:55:28 X-Complaints-To: usenet-abuse@t-online.de X-ID: rZMlDMZH8ehfRz+vnGYt6qvcCZmUwU4nGk-AefuCEL0KIsq+IzUtEb User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (OS/2; U; Warp 4.5; de-DE; rv:1.3) Gecko/20030616 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en In-Reply-To: Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15875 comp.os.vms:515935 Ken Fairfield schrieb: > On Dec 29, 1:05 pm, Michael Kraemer wrote: > >>glen herrmannsfeldt schrieb: >> >> >>>In comp.os.vms Frank da Cruz wrote: >>>(snip) >> >>>>VMS is one of the few surviving OS's that pays serious attention to the >>>>now deprecated if not forgoteen concepts of stability and backwards >>>>compatibility from one release to another, so any VMS / IA64 binary that >>>>you find in the archive: >> >>>As I understand it, z/OS will still run OS/360 load modules, such >>>as the PL/I compiler written and assembled over 40 years ago. >>>I don't believe the VMS currently can run any binaries over 40 >>>years old. >> >>I wonder if it can run binaries 20 years young. >>Or would a VAX binary of 1989 run on current Itanic hardware, >>out-of-the-box? > > > Assuming that's a serious question (is it? really?), well, yes, at least partly. The owners of VMS could have made the various transitions as smooth as Apple, for example. Invoking an extra translator is not as "out-of-the-box" as the z/OS example, IMHO. So VAX compatibility was "broken" after 14 years, in 1992, when Alpha appeared and one had to switch if one wanted more powerful VMS equipment. Alpha compatibility was broken after another 14 years, in 2006 (latest), when more powerful VMS equipment had to be Itanic based. If you look at the competition, PA-RISC lasted about 20 years, Sparc more than 20 years, and Power turns 20 this year and may still have left a few more years of life. In this sense VMS is one of the least backward compatible platforms out there. From jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca Mon Jan 4 10:52:10 2010 Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!usenet.stanford.edu!newsfeed.news2me.com!news.astraweb.com!border1.newsrouter.astraweb.com!not-for-mail Date: Sat, 02 Jan 2010 15:25:28 -0500 From: JF Mezei User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Macintosh/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.os.vms Subject: Re: Kermit on Itanium VMS References: <41039cdf-a708-489b-8146-986ec706ab5e@p8g2000yqb.googlegroups.com> <9c86a820-511f-4219-aecf-cfd31d9bdbcb@j4g2000yqe.googlegroups.com> <4a0e79e9-b366-43c7-a66f-6099a5c5b3a9@v25g2000yqk.googlegroups.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 15 Message-ID: <001edbc8$0$25754$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com> Organization: Unlimited download news at news.astraweb.com NNTP-Posting-Host: e641c677.news.astraweb.com X-Trace: DXC=:H_1D;VG4 well, yes, at least partly. > The owners of VMS could have made the various > transitions as smooth as Apple, for example. I agree. This is especially true for the VAX-Alpha transition because it happened at the same time as many layered products were abandonned and not ported. Having a transparent way to move to Alpha with those packages would have helped, even if performance wouldn't have been stellar in emulated mode. For Alpha-IA64 transition, I am aware of only All-IN-1 which was not ported. Were there others ? From paul.nospam@sture.ch Tue Jan 5 14:14:52 2010 Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed-00.mathworks.com!kanaga.switch.ch!switch.ch!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!newsfeed01.chello.at!newsfeed02.chello.at!news.hispeed.ch.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Paul Sture Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.os.vms Subject: Re: Kermit on Itanium VMS Organization: SQLite and PostgreSQL References: <9c86a820-511f-4219-aecf-cfd31d9bdbcb@j4g2000yqe.googlegroups.com> <4a0e79e9-b366-43c7-a66f-6099a5c5b3a9@v25g2000yqk.googlegroups.com> User-Agent: MT-NewsWatcher/3.5.3b3 (PPC Mac OS X) Date: Mon, 04 Jan 2010 20:54:35 +0100 Message-ID: X-Complaints-To: abuse@hispeed.ch Lines: 22 NNTP-Posting-Host: 84.75.158.233 (84.75.158.233) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 04 Jan 2010 21:15:08 +0100 X-Trace: 2eb4f4b424c4cf1ee3b4c21522 Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15878 comp.os.vms:516049 In article , Mark Sapiro wrote: > On Jan 1, 3:18 pm, Paul Sture wrote: > > > > I've a feeling VT52 support was there in the original Kermit, but not > > C-Kermit. > > > As Frank said, VT-52 emulation (and other DEC terminal emulations) > still exists in MS-DOS Kermit and Kermit-95. > > C-Kermit has never been a terminal emulator. It works with whatever > terminal (xterm, console, whatever) that you use to access the system > you run it on. > But no DOS or Windows here. -- Paul Sture From billg999@cs.uofs.edu Tue Jan 5 14:15:10 2010 Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed-00.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail From: billg999@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.os.vms Subject: Re: Kermit on Itanium VMS Date: 4 Jan 2010 20:21:35 GMT Organization: Computing Sciences Dept., University of Scranton Lines: 34 Sender: bill@server2.cs.uofs.edu Message-ID: <7qf0ufFku6U1@mid.individual.net> References: <9c86a820-511f-4219-aecf-cfd31d9bdbcb@j4g2000yqe.googlegroups.com> <4a0e79e9-b366-43c7-a66f-6099a5c5b3a9@v25g2000yqk.googlegroups.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: individual.net o1BBsOTMXed68epdWzJABgw87/tHuWiThU7affRlCr1+RuDTAW Cancel-Lock: sha1:817vh8Q2TQyiIBPKbw5GLTT5dVY= X-Newsreader: knews 1.0b.1 X-Face: #S"T9jP[OH$fbA-]+!@r#:cHoa=2+R{,NY(E9Mw0/G2D_((6`6R8@JjodwakR~(J?mCY+]yn//;$5;=/Gc'22VrB Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15879 comp.os.vms:516052 In article , Paul Sture writes: > In article > , > Mark Sapiro wrote: > >> On Jan 1, 3:18 pm, Paul Sture wrote: >> > >> > I've a feeling VT52 support was there in the original Kermit, but not >> > C-Kermit. >> >> >> As Frank said, VT-52 emulation (and other DEC terminal emulations) >> still exists in MS-DOS Kermit and Kermit-95. >> >> C-Kermit has never been a terminal emulator. It works with whatever >> terminal (xterm, console, whatever) that you use to access the system >> you run it on. >> > > But no DOS or Windows here. And just how hard is it to create a DOS floppy with nothing on it but MSKERMIT? Don't you have some old 8088 laptop floating around? I still have a COMPAQ 386 and a Zenith 8088 that I use exclusively for those times when I need a quick console with really good DEC emulation. bill -- Bill Gunshannon | de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n. Three wolves billg999@cs.scranton.edu | and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton | Scranton, Pennsylvania | #include From paul.nospam@sture.ch Tue Jan 5 14:15:21 2010 Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed-00.mathworks.com!kanaga.switch.ch!switch.ch!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!newsfeed01.chello.at!newsfeed02.chello.at!news.hispeed.ch.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Paul Sture Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.os.vms Subject: Re: Kermit on Itanium VMS Organization: SQLite and PostgreSQL References: <9c86a820-511f-4219-aecf-cfd31d9bdbcb@j4g2000yqe.googlegroups.com> <4a0e79e9-b366-43c7-a66f-6099a5c5b3a9@v25g2000yqk.googlegroups.com> <7qf0ufFku6U1@mid.individual.net> User-Agent: MT-NewsWatcher/3.5.3b3 (PPC Mac OS X) Date: Mon, 04 Jan 2010 23:11:42 +0100 Message-ID: X-Complaints-To: abuse@hispeed.ch Lines: 35 NNTP-Posting-Host: 84.75.158.233 (84.75.158.233) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 04 Jan 2010 23:15:08 +0100 X-Trace: 198144b42686cf1ee3b4c24320 Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15880 comp.os.vms:516060 In article <7qf0ufFku6U1@mid.individual.net>, billg999@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) wrote: > In article , > Paul Sture writes: > > In article > > , > > Mark Sapiro wrote: > > > >> On Jan 1, 3:18 pm, Paul Sture wrote: > >> > > >> > I've a feeling VT52 support was there in the original Kermit, but not > >> > C-Kermit. > >> > >> > >> As Frank said, VT-52 emulation (and other DEC terminal emulations) > >> still exists in MS-DOS Kermit and Kermit-95. > >> > >> C-Kermit has never been a terminal emulator. It works with whatever > >> terminal (xterm, console, whatever) that you use to access the system > >> you run it on. > >> > > > > But no DOS or Windows here. > > And just how hard is it to create a DOS floppy with nothing on it but > MSKERMIT? Don't you have some old 8088 laptop floating around? I > still have a COMPAQ 386 and a Zenith 8088 that I use exclusively for > those times when I need a quick console with really good DEC emulation. > No. I had a grand clearout of old stuff several years ago. -- Paul Sture From alexander.bartolich@gmx.at Tue Jan 19 16:36:08 2010 Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!128.177.28.63.MISMATCH!jik3.kamens.brookline.ma.us!ngp.big-8.org!robomod!not-for-mail X-NGP-Policy: http://www.big-8.org/~ngp X-NGP-Info-1: Send submissions to ngp@ngp.big-8.org X-NGP-Info-2: Send technical complaints to ngp-admin@ngp.big-8.org X-NGP-Info-3: Send complaints about policy to ngp-board@ngp.big-8.org X-Comment: Moderators do not necessarily agree or disagree with this article. X-Robomod: STUMP Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 17:30:32 CST From: Alexander Bartolich Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,news.groups.proposals Subject: Re: Moderator Vacancy Investigation: comp.protocols.kermit.announce Followup-To: news.groups.proposals Organization: albasani.net Message-ID: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15 X-Trace: news.albasani.net 2+YMTbzp8WcI1czABAQ7UUx6fP40VTXpEx13Gn5K1lc6wMUqUVEypTBKEHL/LlpVpf/XbDeVeuL+GtSYgn3yhpJFQE8uiVsv0mveJgVoyXWCJyw6Mj/tCzZBAP+7VduI X-Complaints-To: abuse@albasani.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 21:37:42 +0000 (UTC) X-User-ID: enXk/CZDXDI0KQRkpAiIzymT8TAGEcHghZySWXjX/h8LsJyAYAeKAC3sQQ0qtQUNcXXB5x3Ikzqiihk/qlukfA== Cancel-Lock: sha1:lOTKt24L/JKjRyLwPRYIf1Or5SA= User-Agent: slrn/pre1.0.0-11 (Linux) X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 5xE7sibStmFHGb0vMY7drgWyYBN1pRMn2fMWGuwsvQI= Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by jik3.kamens.brookline.ma.us id o0CLbhH5007867 Approved: NGP Approval Key X-Approval-Mod: Doug Lines: 27 X-Auth: PGPMoose V1.1 PGP news.groups.proposals iD8DBQBLTPgIrPkQbuk9hdsRAjwPAJwOtxXazIQk2QHAog4JfpT2a9qyDQCgx4GR wMGxUtrmnZBG4NFOqdNXZxA= =z46z Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15881 news.groups.proposals:5215 Frank da Cruz wrote: > I am (or was) the moderator, [...] Thanks for dropping in. > [...] > The structure of the Kermit newsgroups is a little strange to begin > with, and the .announce group was obviously little used even when it > worked. The surviving .misc group is still used but has low traffic. > There is really no need for separate subgroups but I think it's > rather late in the game to be changing things. A moderated group with broken submission address is extremly frustra- ting. This must be fixed as soon as possible. On the other hand a low traffic group dedicated to vintage computing does little harm, even if it is oddly named. > The best idea would be to just delete or decomission the .announce > group. All right. -- Lass die Leute reden und lächle einfach mild, Die meisten Leute haben ihre Bildung aus der Bild. Und die besteht nun mal, wer wüsste das nicht, aus: Angst, Hass, Titten und dem Wetterbericht! From fdc@panix.com Mon Feb 1 17:08:28 2010 Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!not-for-mail From: Frank da Cruz Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.os.vms Subject: Announce: C-Kermit 9.0 Alpha.02 Followup-To: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2010 22:03:32 +0000 (UTC) Organization: PANIX Public Access Internet and UNIX, NYC Lines: 97 Message-ID: Reply-To: fdc@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: panix2.panix.com X-Trace: reader1.panix.com 1265061812 24753 166.84.1.2 (1 Feb 2010 22:03:32 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@panix.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2010 22:03:32 +0000 (UTC) Summary: Second Alpha test of C-Kermit 9.0 communications software User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0 (NetBSD) Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15883 comp.os.vms:517061 For those who didn't see the first announcement in November, a new release of C-Kermit communication software: http://kermit.columbia.edu/ckermit.html is nearing release, version 9.0, described here: http://kermit.columbia.edu/ck90.html The second Alpha-test version, Alpha.02, is now ready for testing: http://kermit.columbia.edu/ckdaily.html The major new features of C-Kermit 9.0 are 64-bitness (where possible) and adaptation to all (or most of) the current Unix and VMS platforms, notably current Linux and Mac OS X releases. Other new features are listed in web pages cited above. I've been able to build and test it on various versions of Linux, Mac OS X, AIX, HP-UX, FreeBSD, OpenBSD, NetBSD, MirBSD, MINIX, IRIX, Solaris, OSF/1, and VMS, on many types of hardware. I have *not* been able to test it on anything not just mentioned, for example SCO or QNX. If anyone has a platform where C-Kermit 9.0 is not yet listed as having been built successfully: http://kermit.columbia.edu/ck90.html#platforms please give it spin and let me know how it goes, or contact me so we can arrange something. The mainstream Unix versions (Linux, Mac OS X, etc) seem pretty solid so far, and the build procedures are much simplified. For example, "make linux" should work on any Linux version or distribution automatically. "make macosx" should work on any Mac OS X version back to 10.3.9, maybe earlier. Those of you who believe that Kermit software is a relic of the past might be surprised. True, it's no longer a mass-market tool familiar to every end user as it was in the 80s and part of the 90s; now it is used more by systems integrators, sysadmins, and network managers for its combined communication and automation capabilites; for an overview see: http://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit.html Some notable advantages of C-Kermit are that it is self contained and has a small footprint by today's standards. Self contained means it doesn't need all kinds of plug-ins (like Perl does) that can shift and change out from under it, thus breaking scripts. The scripting language is extremely (if not perfectly) stable, and also portable between many platforms including all Unixes, VMS, and Windows (plus many more mostly vanished), and also portable among different communication methods: serial, telnet, ssh... To illustrate, here's an example of how C-Kermit is used here at Columbia U for configuring racks full of HP Blade servers through their iLO interface: http://www.columbia.edu/~fdc/net/ilosetup.html _SECURE VERSIONS_ Secure C-Kermit versions (that is, versions that are capable of performing secure authentication and strong encryption over the Internet) are built with special makefile targets, such as "make linux+ssl", "make linux+krb5", "make linux+krb5+ssl", and require that you have the relevant security package package (such as OpenSSL) already installed: header files and libraries. _THE VMS VERSION_ C-Kermit 9.0 for VMS can (for the first time) be built with the C-Kermit FTP client: http://kermit.columbia.edu/ftpclient.html enabled, for both clear-text (insecure) and SSL (secure) FTP connections, a feature which has been available in the Unix version for some years. At present these features are not configured by default since they have some rough edges, you have to build it like this: @ckver.com if "" "CK_SSL" The FTP client itself is pretty much stuck to the C library and thus can only handle stream binary fines and Stream_LF files, but none of the RMS types. Of course FTP protocol itself does not allow for these types, but I'm aware that other VMS ftp clients did something special with them. Any VMS C programmers who might like to have a scriptable, and optionally secure, FTP client are welcome to pitch in (contact me). C-Kermit 9.0 has the same license as versions 7.0 and 8.0, but this might change before the final release. Frank da Cruz The Kermit Project Columbia University New York City http://kermit.columbia.edu/ fdc@columbia.edu From invalid@invalid.invalid Tue Feb 2 14:34:51 2010 Path: reader2.panix.com!panix!not-for-mail From: Grant Edwards Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Can Kermit do raw TCP connection? Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 17:26:37 +0000 (UTC) Organization: PANIX Public Access Internet and UNIX, NYC Lines: 14 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.122.56.22 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: reader2.panix.com 1265131597 2881 64.122.56.22 (2 Feb 2010 17:26:37 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@panix.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 17:26:37 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: slrn/pre0.9.9-102 (Linux) Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15884 Is it possible to connect to a raw TCP port? There's no telnet or rlogin protocol server -- it's just like a serial port. I've been reading through Kermit docs and FAQs, and it seems that Kermit can't connection using a raw TCP connection -- that it can only using Telnet, Rlogin, or some other application-layer potocol. Am I missing an option somewhere? -- Grant Edwards grante Yow! I'm not available at for comment.. visi.com From fdc@panix.com Tue Feb 2 14:37:47 2010 Path: reader2.panix.com!panix!not-for-mail From: Frank da Cruz Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Can Kermit do raw TCP connection? Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 19:37:29 +0000 (UTC) Organization: PANIX Public Access Internet and UNIX, NYC Lines: 18 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: fdc@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: panix3.panix.com X-Trace: reader2.panix.com 1265139449 15760 166.84.1.3 (2 Feb 2010 19:37:29 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@panix.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 19:37:29 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0 (NetBSD) Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15885 On 2010-02-02, Grant Edwards wrote: : Is it possible to connect to a raw TCP port? There's no telnet : or rlogin protocol server -- it's just like a serial port. : : I've been reading through Kermit docs and FAQs, and it seems : that Kermit can't connection using a raw TCP connection -- that : it can only using Telnet, Rlogin, or some other : application-layer potocol. : : Am I missing an option somewhere? : Try this: set host /raw-socket If you have any problems with it, let me know. - Frank From invalid@invalid.invalid Fri Feb 5 15:47:55 2010 Path: reader2.panix.com!panix!not-for-mail From: Grant Edwards Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Can Kermit do raw TCP connection? Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 19:52:04 +0000 (UTC) Organization: PANIX Public Access Internet and UNIX, NYC Lines: 15 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.122.56.22 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: reader2.panix.com 1265140324 13995 64.122.56.22 (2 Feb 2010 19:52:04 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@panix.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 19:52:04 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: slrn/pre0.9.9-102 (Linux) Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15886 On 2010-02-02, Frank da Cruz wrote: > On 2010-02-02, Grant Edwards wrote: > >: Is it possible to connect to a raw TCP port? [...] > > Try this: > > set host /raw-socket Brilliant! It's obious once you know where to hit "?" -- Grant Edwards grante Yow! I'm rated PG-34!! at visi.com From a@nonymous.com Fri Feb 5 15:50:59 2010 Path: reader2.panix.com!panix!newsfeed-00.mathworks.com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!news.glorb.com!npeer02.iad.highwinds-media.com!news.highwinds-media.com!feed-me.highwinds-media.com!post02.iad.highwinds-media.com!newsfe23.iad.POSTED!7564ea0f!not-for-mail From: "John Smith \(not the one @ HP\)" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc References: Subject: Re: Announce: C-Kermit 9.0 Alpha.02 Lines: 31 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Original X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 Message-ID: X-Complaints-To: abuse@UsenetServer.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 03 Feb 2010 16:39:12 UTC Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 11:37:06 -0500 Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15888 "Frank da Cruz" wrote in message news:slrnhmejtk.5hv.fdc@panix2.panix.com... > For those who didn't see the first announcement in November, a new release > of C-Kermit communication software: > > http://kermit.columbia.edu/ckermit.html > > is nearing release, version 9.0, described here: > > http://kermit.columbia.edu/ck90.html > > The second Alpha-test version, Alpha.02, is now ready for testing: > > http://kermit.columbia.edu/ckdaily.html > > The major new features of C-Kermit 9.0 are 64-bitness (where possible) and > adaptation to all (or most of) the current Unix and VMS platforms, notably > current Linux and Mac OS X releases. Other new features are listed in > web pages cited above. Congrats, Frank. Kermit has been an integral part of our software & data distribution environment for years - from VMS to Win/Mac. Though we don't use it much anymore, it still works reliably when we need to use it. Thanks for the continuing effort. From Christian.Corti@studserv.uni-stuttgart.de Fri Feb 5 16:02:27 2010 Path: reader2.panix.com!panix!newsfeed-00.mathworks.com!kanaga.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.belwue.de!rz.uni-karlsruhe.de!feed.news.schlund.de!schlund.de!news.online.de!not-for-mail From: Christian Corti Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Announce: C-Kermit 9.0 Alpha.02 Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 11:11:31 +0100 Organization: Kompetenzzentrum fyr Minimal- und Retrocomputing Lines: 70 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: cc@corti-net.de NNTP-Posting-Host: p57b511cf.dip0.t-ipconnect.de X-Trace: online.de 1265280002 31266 87.181.17.207 (4 Feb 2010 10:40:02 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@einsundeins.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 10:40:02 +0000 (UTC) Cancel-Lock: sha1:oW4kkJFLWnOb0ppH0Y691i/RyZE= User-Agent: tin/1.9.5-20090720 ("Rieclachan") (UNIX) (Linux/2.6.26 (i686)) Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15889 Frank da Cruz wrote: > I've been able to build and test it on various versions of Linux, Mac OS X, > AIX, HP-UX, FreeBSD, OpenBSD, NetBSD, MirBSD, MINIX, IRIX, Solaris, OSF/1, > and VMS, on many types of hardware. I have *not* been able to test it on > anything not just mentioned, for example SCO or QNX. The following error occurs on SunOS 4.1.1: [...] gcc -O2 -DSUNOS41 -DHDBUUCP -DNDGPWNAM -DCK_NCURSES -DFNFLOAT -DCK_AUTHENTICATION -funsigned-char -DCK_SSL -DTCPSOCKET -DBIGBUFOK -I/usr/local/openssl/include -I/usr/local/include -DKTARGET=\"sunos41gcc+openssl\" -c ckutio.c ckutio.c: In function `pty_make_raw': ckutio.c:14180: error: structure has no member named `c_iflag' ckutio.c:14180: error: `PARMRK' undeclared (first use in this function) ckutio.c:14180: error: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once ckutio.c:14180: error: for each function it appears in.) ckutio.c:14180: error: `ISTRIP' undeclared (first use in this function) ckutio.c:14180: error: `BRKINT' undeclared (first use in this function) ckutio.c:14180: error: `INLCR' undeclared (first use in this function) ckutio.c:14180: error: `IGNCR' undeclared (first use in this function) ckutio.c:14180: error: `ICRNL' undeclared (first use in this function) ckutio.c:14181: error: structure has no member named `c_iflag' ckutio.c:14181: error: `INPCK' undeclared (first use in this function) ckutio.c:14181: error: `IGNPAR' undeclared (first use in this function) ckutio.c:14181: error: `IXANY' undeclared (first use in this function) ckutio.c:14181: error: `IXON' undeclared (first use in this function) ckutio.c:14181: error: `IXOFF' undeclared (first use in this function) ckutio.c:14182: error: structure has no member named `c_iflag' ckutio.c:14182: error: `IGNBRK' undeclared (first use in this function) ckutio.c:14225: error: structure has no member named `c_oflag' ckutio.c:14225: error: `OPOST' undeclared (first use in this function) ckutio.c:14249: error: structure has no member named `c_lflag' ckutio.c:14272: error: structure has no member named `c_lflag' ckutio.c:14272: error: `ICANON' undeclared (first use in this function) ckutio.c:14272: error: `ISIG' undeclared (first use in this function) ckutio.c:14280: error: structure has no member named `c_lflag' ckutio.c:14286: error: structure has no member named `c_cflag' ckutio.c:14286: error: `CSIZE' undeclared (first use in this function) ckutio.c:14286: error: `PARENB' undeclared (first use in this function) ckutio.c:14286: error: `PARODD' undeclared (first use in this function) ckutio.c:14287: error: structure has no member named `c_cflag' ckutio.c:14287: error: `CS8' undeclared (first use in this function) ckutio.c:14287: error: `CREAD' undeclared (first use in this function) ckutio.c:14290: error: structure has no member named `c_cflag' ckutio.c:14313: error: structure has no member named `c_cflag' ckutio.c:14325: error: `NCCS' undeclared (first use in this function) ckutio.c:14326: error: structure has no member named `c_cc' ckutio.c:14332: error: structure has no member named `c_iflag' ckutio.c:14333: error: structure has no member named `c_oflag' ckutio.c:14334: error: structure has no member named `c_lflag' ckutio.c:14335: error: structure has no member named `c_cflag' ckutio.c: In function `ckxfprintf': ckutio.c:15716: warning: assignment makes integer from pointer without a cast ckutio.c: In function `ckxprintf': ckutio.c:15840: warning: assignment makes integer from pointer without a cast *** Error code 1 make: Fatal error: Command failed for target `ckutio.o' These definitions are in termios.h which is not included by the source code on SunOS platform. Either you include termios.h or you have to provide these definitions. BTW, GCC version is 3.4.6. Christian From fdc@panix.com Fri Feb 5 16:07:43 2010 Path: reader2.panix.com!panix!not-for-mail From: Frank da Cruz Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Announce: C-Kermit 9.0 Alpha.02 Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 20:58:23 +0000 (UTC) Organization: PANIX Public Access Internet and UNIX, NYC Lines: 24 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: fdc@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: panix2.panix.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: reader2.panix.com 1265403503 7767 166.84.1.2 (5 Feb 2010 20:58:23 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@panix.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 20:58:23 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0 (NetBSD) Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15890 On 2010-02-03, Mark Sapiro wrote: : On Feb 1, 2:03 pm, Frank da Cruz wrote: :> :> The second Alpha-test version, Alpha.02, is now ready for testing: : : I built it on three platforms: : : make linux on CentOS 5 i686 : make hpux1100o+ KFLAGS=-DCK_INI_B on HP-UX B.11.23 ia64 : and make macosx on OS X 10.6.2 (Intel iMac) : Thanks Mark, I added the ones to the table that weren't there before: http://kermit.columbia.edu/ck90.html : There were some 'pointer recast to different size integer', : 'unreferenced', etc warnings but all built OK and are working (so : far). : Some warnings are not only not worth fixing, but fixing them can be dangerous, sometimes it's best to let sleeping dogs lie. (That applies especially to the SSL modules.) - Frank From fdc@panix.com Fri Feb 5 16:07:45 2010 Path: reader2.panix.com!panix!not-for-mail From: Frank da Cruz Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Announce: C-Kermit 9.0 Alpha.02 Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 21:02:15 +0000 (UTC) Organization: PANIX Public Access Internet and UNIX, NYC Lines: 39 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: fdc@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: panix2.panix.com X-Trace: reader2.panix.com 1265403735 7767 166.84.1.2 (5 Feb 2010 21:02:15 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@panix.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 21:02:15 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0 (NetBSD) Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15891 On 2010-02-03, John Smith (not the one @ HP) wrote: : : "Frank da Cruz" wrote in message : news:slrnhmejtk.5hv.fdc@panix2.panix.com... :> For those who didn't see the first announcement in November, a new release :> of C-Kermit communication software: :> :> http://kermit.columbia.edu/ckermit.html :> :> is nearing release, version 9.0, described here: :> :> http://kermit.columbia.edu/ck90.html :> :> The second Alpha-test version, Alpha.02, is now ready for testing: :> :> http://kermit.columbia.edu/ckdaily.html :> :> The major new features of C-Kermit 9.0 are 64-bitness (where possible) and :> adaptation to all (or most of) the current Unix and VMS platforms, notably :> current Linux and Mac OS X releases. Other new features are listed in :> web pages cited above. : : : : Congrats, Frank. : : Kermit has been an integral part of our software & data distribution : environment for years - from VMS to Win/Mac. Though we don't use it much : anymore, it still works reliably when we need to use it. Thanks for the : continuing effort. : Thanks for the encouragement even though these days it usually comes with a qualifier like that. I think after all these years, stability is maybe the best think about Kermit, because watching what goes on around me here as everything else breaks on about a daily basis due to "patches" and "updates" -- entire websites included -- I think it might have become a forgotten concept. - Frank From fdc@panix.com Fri Feb 5 16:07:47 2010 Path: reader2.panix.com!panix!not-for-mail From: Frank da Cruz Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Announce: C-Kermit 9.0 Alpha.02 Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 21:07:25 +0000 (UTC) Organization: PANIX Public Access Internet and UNIX, NYC Lines: 35 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: fdc@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: panix2.panix.com X-Trace: reader2.panix.com 1265404045 7767 166.84.1.2 (5 Feb 2010 21:07:25 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@panix.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 21:07:25 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0 (NetBSD) Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15892 On 2010-02-04, Christian Corti wrote: : Frank da Cruz wrote: :> I've been able to build and test it on various versions of Linux, Mac OS X, :> AIX, HP-UX, FreeBSD, OpenBSD, NetBSD, MirBSD, MINIX, IRIX, Solaris, OSF/1, :> and VMS, on many types of hardware. I have *not* been able to test it on :> anything not just mentioned, for example SCO or QNX. : : The following error occurs on SunOS 4.1.1: : : [...] : gcc -O2 -DSUNOS41 -DHDBUUCP -DNDGPWNAM -DCK_NCURSES -DFNFLOAT : -DCK_AUTHENTICATION -funsigned-char -DCK_SSL -DTCPSOCKET -DBIGBUFOK : -I/usr/local/openssl/include -I/usr/local/include : -DKTARGET=\"sunos41gcc+openssl\" -c ckutio.c : ckutio.c: In function `pty_make_raw': : ckutio.c:14180: error: structure has no member named `c_iflag' : ckutio.c:14180: error: `PARMRK' undeclared (first use in this function) : ckutio.c:14180: error: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once : etc etc : For some years SunOS 4.1.1 was main platform around here, including for C-Kermit development, but it is loooooong gone. In particular, the pty_make_raw() function was added only recently, with no opportunity to test it on that platform. : These definitions are in termios.h which is not included by the source : code on SunOS platform. Either you include termios.h or you have to : provide these definitions. : BTW, GCC version is 3.4.6. : Have you tried including termios.h? Does it work? : Christian - Frank From Christian.Corti@studserv.uni-stuttgart.de Tue Feb 9 11:43:43 2010 Path: reader2.panix.com!panix!newsfeed-00.mathworks.com!kanaga.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.belwue.de!rz.uni-karlsruhe.de!feed.news.schlund.de!schlund.de!news.online.de!not-for-mail From: Christian Corti Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Announce: C-Kermit 9.0 Alpha.02 Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 17:21:17 +0100 Organization: Kompetenzzentrum fyr Minimal- und Retrocomputing Lines: 45 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: cc@corti-net.de NNTP-Posting-Host: p57b51224.dip0.t-ipconnect.de X-Trace: online.de 1265733602 24731 87.181.18.36 (9 Feb 2010 16:40:02 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@einsundeins.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 16:40:02 +0000 (UTC) Cancel-Lock: sha1:0//nwz9wWU+D/HL4iUatWRi2CY8= User-Agent: tin/1.9.5-20090720 ("Rieclachan") (UNIX) (Linux/2.6.26 (i686)) Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15894 Frank da Cruz wrote: > Have you tried including termios.h? Does it work? I had to add the following parts to make it work: ckupty.c -------- [...] #define HAVE_TTYNAME #define HAVE_WAITPID + +#ifdef SUNOS41 +#define BSD44ORPOSIX +#endif #ifndef USE_TERMIO #ifdef LINUX [...] ckutio.c -------- [...] #endif /* MAXNAMLEN */ #endif /* BSD4 */ + +#ifdef SUNOS41 +#define BSD44ORPOSIX +#define SVORPOSIX +#include +#include +#include +#include +#endif /* Minix 2.0 support added by Terry McConnell, [...] Using NCurses instead of Curses produced an illegal instruction trap right after printing the "C-Kermit>" prompt, but I suspect my local NCurses installation has some flaws. With curses/termcap, everything seems to be fine, but I haven't tested everything. Christian From fdc@panix.com Tue Feb 9 11:53:15 2010 Path: reader2.panix.com!panix!not-for-mail From: Frank da Cruz Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Announce: C-Kermit 9.0 Alpha.02 Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 16:50:40 +0000 (UTC) Organization: PANIX Public Access Internet and UNIX, NYC Lines: 28 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: fdc@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: panix2.panix.com X-Trace: reader2.panix.com 1265734240 15728 166.84.1.2 (9 Feb 2010 16:50:40 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@panix.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 16:50:40 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0 (NetBSD) Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15895 On 2010-02-09, Christian Corti wrote: : Frank da Cruz wrote: :> Have you tried including termios.h? Does it work? : : I had to add the following parts to make it work: : ... OK, thanks, I'll take your word for it since I don't have SunOS 4.1 around any more to verify it! These changes will be in Alpha.03. : Minix 2.0 support added by Terry McConnell, : [...] : : Using NCurses instead of Curses produced an illegal instruction trap : right after printing the "C-Kermit>" prompt, but I suspect my local : NCurses installation has some flaws. With curses/termcap, everything : seems to be fine, but I haven't tested everything. : You built it on Minix 2.0? So the version with curses and not ncurses came out of the 'minix20' target, but you had to do the chmems to keep the compiler passes from dumping core, right? How big was the executable (for the table at http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck90.html )? I should try chmem on Minix 3 1.2... (Minix 3 1.5 has virtual memory so no tricks are needed). - Frank From gxys@uk2.net Tue Feb 9 12:26:14 2010 Path: reader2.panix.com!panix!usenet.stanford.edu!postnews.google.com!q4g2000yqm.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: IanMiller Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-Kermit 9.0 for VAX? Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 09:08:29 -0800 (PST) Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 8 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 15.203.169.123 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: posting.google.com 1265735310 9029 127.0.0.1 (9 Feb 2010 17:08:30 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 17:08:30 +0000 (UTC) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: q4g2000yqm.googlegroups.com; posting-host=15.203.169.123; posting-account=xnH4mQkAAADgGjKHSw0dMDzsXknFp5II User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-GB; rv:1.9.2) Gecko/20100115 Firefox/3.6,gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15896 On Feb 9, 4:52=A0pm, Frank da Cruz wrote: > Anybody have a VAX (with C compiler) for building C-Kermit 9.0? > > Thanks, > > Frank See http://deathrow.vistech.net/ From fdc@panix.com Tue Feb 9 12:26:19 2010 Path: reader2.panix.com!panix!not-for-mail From: Frank da Cruz Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Stories needed Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 17:25:50 +0000 (UTC) Organization: PANIX Public Access Internet and UNIX, NYC Lines: 36 Message-ID: Reply-To: fdc@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: panix2.panix.com X-Trace: reader2.panix.com 1265736350 13232 166.84.1.2 (9 Feb 2010 17:25:50 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@panix.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 17:25:50 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0 (NetBSD) Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15897 These days software development tends to be more about politics than algorithms and code. I need stories about how people are using Kermit software in their organizations, especially in areas like these: . Network management . System administration . PBX or Netphone management . Instrumentation . Collection and transmission of experimental or medical data . Financial transactions . Website management and CGI . Warehouse or franchise management and inventory Configuration or polling of routers, switches, blade servers, UPS's... Electronic funds transfer over secure FTP... Insurance claims submission by modem... Remote or local diagnostics of communications or other equipment... Installing software updates in equipment by loading EPROM or whatever... And in any applications like these, why Kermit was chosen. Thanks, it would be a big help. Frank Frank da Cruz Director The Kermit Project Columbia University 612 West 115th Street New York NY 10025-7799 USA Email: fdc@columbia.edu Voice: +1 212 854-3508 Fax: +1 212 662-6442 http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ From fdc@panix.com Tue Feb 9 12:50:28 2010 Path: reader2.panix.com!panix!not-for-mail From: Frank da Cruz Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Announce: C-Kermit 9.0 Alpha.02 Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 16:50:40 +0000 (UTC) Organization: PANIX Public Access Internet and UNIX, NYC Lines: 28 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: fdc@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: panix2.panix.com X-Trace: reader2.panix.com 1265734240 15728 166.84.1.2 (9 Feb 2010 16:50:40 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@panix.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 16:50:40 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0 (NetBSD) Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15895 On 2010-02-09, Christian Corti wrote: : Frank da Cruz wrote: :> Have you tried including termios.h? Does it work? : : I had to add the following parts to make it work: : ... OK, thanks, I'll take your word for it since I don't have SunOS 4.1 around any more to verify it! These changes will be in Alpha.03. : Minix 2.0 support added by Terry McConnell, : [...] : : Using NCurses instead of Curses produced an illegal instruction trap : right after printing the "C-Kermit>" prompt, but I suspect my local : NCurses installation has some flaws. With curses/termcap, everything : seems to be fine, but I haven't tested everything. : You built it on Minix 2.0? So the version with curses and not ncurses came out of the 'minix20' target, but you had to do the chmems to keep the compiler passes from dumping core, right? How big was the executable (for the table at http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck90.html )? I should try chmem on Minix 3 1.2... (Minix 3 1.5 has virtual memory so no tricks are needed). - Frank From fdc@panix.com Tue Feb 9 12:51:02 2010 Path: reader2.panix.com!panix!not-for-mail From: Frank da Cruz Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: SunOS 4, Minix 2 Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 17:49:44 +0000 (UTC) Organization: PANIX Public Access Internet and UNIX, NYC Lines: 24 Message-ID: Reply-To: fdc@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: panix2.panix.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: reader2.panix.com 1265737784 15282 166.84.1.2 (9 Feb 2010 17:49:44 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@panix.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 17:49:44 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0 (NetBSD) Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15898 On 2010-02-09, Christian Corti wrote: : I had to add the following parts to make it work: : After replying to your post I also tried to send you email but it bounced "studserv.uni-stuttgart.de: host not found". The mail said: Hi Christian, thanks for the patches, they will be in Alpha.03. Can you give me the information to make a table entry for SunOS 4.1 in the C-Kermit 9.0 page? http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck90.html (makefile target, size of binary, etc). I don't suppose it supports long files. ("show features", at the bottom, will say that CK_OFF_T is 8, rather than 4. I need the same data for Minix 2.0 too, if you have it. Thanks again, Grüß Gott (do they still say that in Stuttgart? I used to live there a long time ago, as an "Ami go home" :-) - Frank From Christian.Corti@studserv.uni-stuttgart.de Tue Feb 9 11:43:43 2010 Path: reader2.panix.com!panix!newsfeed-00.mathworks.com!kanaga.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.belwue.de!rz.uni-karlsruhe.de!feed.news.schlund.de!schlund.de!news.online.de!not-for-mail From: Christian Corti Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Announce: C-Kermit 9.0 Alpha.02 Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 17:21:17 +0100 Organization: Kompetenzzentrum fyr Minimal- und Retrocomputing Lines: 45 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: cc@corti-net.de NNTP-Posting-Host: p57b51224.dip0.t-ipconnect.de X-Trace: online.de 1265733602 24731 87.181.18.36 (9 Feb 2010 16:40:02 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@einsundeins.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 16:40:02 +0000 (UTC) Cancel-Lock: sha1:0//nwz9wWU+D/HL4iUatWRi2CY8= User-Agent: tin/1.9.5-20090720 ("Rieclachan") (UNIX) (Linux/2.6.26 (i686)) Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15894 Frank da Cruz wrote: > Have you tried including termios.h? Does it work? I had to add the following parts to make it work: ckupty.c -------- [...] #define HAVE_TTYNAME #define HAVE_WAITPID + +#ifdef SUNOS41 +#define BSD44ORPOSIX +#endif #ifndef USE_TERMIO #ifdef LINUX [...] ckutio.c -------- [...] #endif /* MAXNAMLEN */ #endif /* BSD4 */ + +#ifdef SUNOS41 +#define BSD44ORPOSIX +#define SVORPOSIX +#include +#include +#include +#include +#endif /* Minix 2.0 support added by Terry McConnell, [...] Using NCurses instead of Curses produced an illegal instruction trap right after printing the "C-Kermit>" prompt, but I suspect my local NCurses installation has some flaws. With curses/termcap, everything seems to be fine, but I haven't tested everything. Christian From fdc@panix.com Tue Feb 9 11:53:15 2010 Path: reader2.panix.com!panix!not-for-mail From: Frank da Cruz Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Announce: C-Kermit 9.0 Alpha.02 Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 16:50:40 +0000 (UTC) Organization: PANIX Public Access Internet and UNIX, NYC Lines: 28 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: fdc@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: panix2.panix.com X-Trace: reader2.panix.com 1265734240 15728 166.84.1.2 (9 Feb 2010 16:50:40 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@panix.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 16:50:40 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0 (NetBSD) Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15895 On 2010-02-09, Christian Corti wrote: : Frank da Cruz wrote: :> Have you tried including termios.h? Does it work? : : I had to add the following parts to make it work: : ... OK, thanks, I'll take your word for it since I don't have SunOS 4.1 around any more to verify it! These changes will be in Alpha.03. : Minix 2.0 support added by Terry McConnell, : [...] : : Using NCurses instead of Curses produced an illegal instruction trap : right after printing the "C-Kermit>" prompt, but I suspect my local : NCurses installation has some flaws. With curses/termcap, everything : seems to be fine, but I haven't tested everything. : You built it on Minix 2.0? So the version with curses and not ncurses came out of the 'minix20' target, but you had to do the chmems to keep the compiler passes from dumping core, right? How big was the executable (for the table at http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck90.html )? I should try chmem on Minix 3 1.2... (Minix 3 1.5 has virtual memory so no tricks are needed). - Frank From gxys@uk2.net Tue Feb 9 12:26:14 2010 Path: reader2.panix.com!panix!usenet.stanford.edu!postnews.google.com!q4g2000yqm.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: IanMiller Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-Kermit 9.0 for VAX? Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 09:08:29 -0800 (PST) Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 8 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 15.203.169.123 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: posting.google.com 1265735310 9029 127.0.0.1 (9 Feb 2010 17:08:30 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 17:08:30 +0000 (UTC) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: q4g2000yqm.googlegroups.com; posting-host=15.203.169.123; posting-account=xnH4mQkAAADgGjKHSw0dMDzsXknFp5II User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-GB; rv:1.9.2) Gecko/20100115 Firefox/3.6,gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15896 On Feb 9, 4:52=A0pm, Frank da Cruz wrote: > Anybody have a VAX (with C compiler) for building C-Kermit 9.0? > > Thanks, > > Frank See http://deathrow.vistech.net/ From fdc@panix.com Tue Feb 9 12:26:19 2010 Path: reader2.panix.com!panix!not-for-mail From: Frank da Cruz Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Stories needed Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 17:25:50 +0000 (UTC) Organization: PANIX Public Access Internet and UNIX, NYC Lines: 36 Message-ID: Reply-To: fdc@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: panix2.panix.com X-Trace: reader2.panix.com 1265736350 13232 166.84.1.2 (9 Feb 2010 17:25:50 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@panix.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 17:25:50 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0 (NetBSD) Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15897 These days software development tends to be more about politics than algorithms and code. I need stories about how people are using Kermit software in their organizations, especially in areas like these: . Network management . System administration . PBX or Netphone management . Instrumentation . Collection and transmission of experimental or medical data . Financial transactions . Website management and CGI . Warehouse or franchise management and inventory Configuration or polling of routers, switches, blade servers, UPS's... Electronic funds transfer over secure FTP... Insurance claims submission by modem... Remote or local diagnostics of communications or other equipment... Installing software updates in equipment by loading EPROM or whatever... And in any applications like these, why Kermit was chosen. Thanks, it would be a big help. Frank Frank da Cruz Director The Kermit Project Columbia University 612 West 115th Street New York NY 10025-7799 USA Email: fdc@columbia.edu Voice: +1 212 854-3508 Fax: +1 212 662-6442 http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ From sms.antinode@gmail.com Tue Feb 9 17:30:31 2010 Path: reader2.panix.com!panix!usenet.stanford.edu!postnews.google.com!1g2000yqi.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: Steven Schweda Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-Kermit 9.0 for VAX? Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 12:19:37 -0800 (PST) Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 10 Message-ID: <0997221b-776e-4b3f-8b98-4c61c016a0f7@1g2000yqi.googlegroups.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 70.244.104.135 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Trace: posting.google.com 1265746777 5493 127.0.0.1 (9 Feb 2010 20:19:37 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 20:19:37 +0000 (UTC) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: 1g2000yqi.googlegroups.com; posting-host=70.244.104.135; posting-account=OjKUgAkAAAAXAqdVEKd-Gc8RltEUx3Xq User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X 10.4; en-US; rv:1.9.2) Gecko/20100115 Firefox/3.6,gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15899 Frank da Cruz wrote: > Anybody have a VAX (with C compiler) for building C-Kermit 9.0? I do, but I won't be able to reach the power switch for about a week. There's also: http://deathrow.vistech.net/ http://deathrow.vistech.net/account-info.shtml and probably some others elsewhere. From helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de Tue Feb 9 17:30:38 2010 Path: reader2.panix.com!panix!newsfeed-00.mathworks.com!kanaga.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.belwue.de!rz.uni-karlsruhe.de!feed.news.schlund.de!schlund.de!news.online.de!not-for-mail From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---undress to reply) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-Kermit 9.0 for VAX? Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 20:20:17 +0000 (UTC) Organization: Multivax C&R Lines: 10 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: p4ff59d10.dip0.t-ipconnect.de X-Trace: online.de 1265746817 26779 79.245.157.16 (9 Feb 2010 20:20:17 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@einsundeins.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 20:20:17 +0000 (UTC) Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15900 In article , Frank da Cruz writes: > Anybody have a VAX (with C compiler) for building C-Kermit 9.0? Compaq C V6.4-005 on OpenVMS VAX V7.3 It's probably not the latest C-compiler. On the other hand, do you WANT the latest C-compiler for your build? From gxys@uk2.net Tue Feb 9 17:36:20 2010 Path: reader2.panix.com!panix!usenet.stanford.edu!postnews.google.com!z17g2000yqh.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: IanMiller Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-Kermit 9.0 for VAX? Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 12:51:36 -0800 (PST) Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 9 Message-ID: <43664b05-b239-48ec-984a-1882b3709ec3@z17g2000yqh.googlegroups.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 80.43.151.224 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Trace: posting.google.com 1265748696 24198 127.0.0.1 (9 Feb 2010 20:51:36 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 20:51:36 +0000 (UTC) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: z17g2000yqh.googlegroups.com; posting-host=80.43.151.224; posting-account=xnH4mQkAAADgGjKHSw0dMDzsXknFp5II User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-GB; rv:1.9.2) Gecko/20100115 Firefox/3.6 (.NET CLR 3.5.30729),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15901 On 9 Feb, 16:52, Frank da Cruz wrote: > Anybody have a VAX (with C compiler) for building C-Kermit 9.0? > > Thanks, > > Frank The Deathrow public access vms cluster includes a VAX with C compiler. From sms.antinode@gmail.com Wed Feb 10 15:06:26 2010 Path: reader2.panix.com!panix!usenet.stanford.edu!postnews.google.com!x22g2000yqx.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: Steven Schweda Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-Kermit 9.0 for VAX? Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 13:02:59 -0800 (PST) Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 13 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 70.244.104.135 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Trace: posting.google.com 1265749384 26781 127.0.0.1 (9 Feb 2010 21:03:04 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 21:03:04 +0000 (UTC) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: x22g2000yqx.googlegroups.com; posting-host=70.244.104.135; posting-account=OjKUgAkAAAAXAqdVEKd-Gc8RltEUx3Xq User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X 10.4; en-US; rv:1.9.2) Gecko/20100115 Firefox/3.6,gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15902 Frank da Cruz wrote: > Anybody have a VAX (with C compiler) for building C-Kermit 9.0? By the way, I seem to have tried to build the 2009-11-20 kit on my VMS V5.5-2 system, and had a bunch of trouble with %CC-I-IMPLICITFUNC, %CC-W-PTRMISMATCH, and so on. Also, in ckvfio.c, defining NOCONVROUTINES does bypass the "#include " directive, but apparently not the code which uses the conv$* functions, further down. As I recall, I also spotted a comment somewhere (else?) which suggested that support for older VMS versions was not highly valued, so I didn't pursue it. The evidence is on a disk I can't see now, but I suspect that it worked better on VMS VAX V7.3. From fdc@panix.com Wed Feb 10 15:06:58 2010 Path: reader2.panix.com!panix!not-for-mail From: Frank da Cruz Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-Kermit 9.0 for VAX? Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 22:36:13 +0000 (UTC) Organization: PANIX Public Access Internet and UNIX, NYC Lines: 22 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: fdc@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: panix1.panix.com X-Trace: reader2.panix.com 1265754973 5411 166.84.1.1 (9 Feb 2010 22:36:13 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@panix.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 22:36:13 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0 (NetBSD) Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15903 On 2010-02-09, Phillip Helbig---undress to reply wrote: : In article , : Frank da Cruz writes: : :> Anybody have a VAX (with C compiler) for building C-Kermit 9.0? : : Compaq C V6.4-005 on OpenVMS VAX V7.3 : : It's probably not the latest C-compiler. On the other hand, do you WANT : the latest C-compiler for your build? : I used to try to cover every combination of architecture, VMS version, TCP/IP product and version, and C compiler and version. Kind of compulsive, I know... But so far I have no C-Kermit 9.0 results for the VAX, so whatever is out there (in the past I had my own VAX 730, 750, several MicroVAXes, and a VAXstation... And a VAXmate!... now all dead and gone). I'd be particularly interested in how "@ckvker f" works out (the "long file" support option) on 32-bit VMS hardware. - Frank From sms.antinode@gmail.com Wed Feb 10 15:07:25 2010 Path: reader2.panix.com!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!4.24.21.218.MISMATCH!newsfeed2.dallas1.level3.net!news.level3.com!postnews.google.com!l26g2000yqd.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: Steven Schweda Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-Kermit 9.0 for VAX? Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 20:04:41 -0800 (PST) Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 12 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 70.244.104.135 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Trace: posting.google.com 1265774681 15383 127.0.0.1 (10 Feb 2010 04:04:41 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 04:04:41 +0000 (UTC) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: l26g2000yqd.googlegroups.com; posting-host=70.244.104.135; posting-account=OjKUgAkAAAAXAqdVEKd-Gc8RltEUx3Xq User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X 10.4; en-US; rv:1.9.2) Gecko/20100115 Firefox/3.6,gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15904 Frank da Cruz wrote: > I'd be particularly interested in how "@ckvker f" works out (the "long > file" support option) on 32-bit VMS hardware. That's easy. It won't. In DECC$TYPES.H, all the _LARGEFILE stuff is conditional on "!defined(__VAX)". There is no C run-time support for large files on VAX, and I expect none in the future. I believe that ckvker.com ignores "F" on a VAX. A complaint could be added, but I believe that it's currently silent. From jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca Wed Feb 10 15:07:36 2010 Path: reader2.panix.com!panix!usenet.stanford.edu!news.kjsl.com!news.alt.net!news.astraweb.com!border1.newsrouter.astraweb.com!not-for-mail Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 00:48:10 -0500 From: JF Mezei User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Macintosh/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-Kermit 9.0 for VAX? References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 5 Message-ID: <00ead515$0$25643$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com> Organization: Unlimited download news at news.astraweb.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 8a1a33a2.news.astraweb.com X-Trace: DXC=LXRhaK[\hRG\kdljK^UWoEL?0kYOcDh@JBJ6O5:>nMFIGTHVW?jDm4L7VZ=ASP5\jCdB5IUlH@K9NYYPaRj_AL;I Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15905 Frank da Cruz wrote: > Anybody have a VAX (with C compiler) for building C-Kermit 9.0? If nobody else comes forth, you can get back to me next week (this week is not good for me). From Christian.Corti@studserv.uni-stuttgart.de Wed Feb 10 15:08:13 2010 Path: reader2.panix.com!panix!newsfeed-00.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!news.addix.net!feed.news.schlund.de!schlund.de!news.online.de!not-for-mail From: Christian Corti Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Announce: C-Kermit 9.0 Alpha.02 Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 11:16:20 +0100 Organization: Kompetenzzentrum fyr Minimal- und Retrocomputing Lines: 26 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: cc@corti-net.de NNTP-Posting-Host: p57b512fd.dip0.t-ipconnect.de X-Trace: online.de 1265798401 19312 87.181.18.253 (10 Feb 2010 10:40:01 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@einsundeins.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 10:40:01 +0000 (UTC) Cancel-Lock: sha1:ZdFAfsN2ndNmQlyQfUnmKU4dSrc= User-Agent: tin/1.9.5-20090720 ("Rieclachan") (UNIX) (Linux/2.6.26 (i686)) Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15906 Frank da Cruz wrote: > You built it on Minix 2.0? So the version with curses and not No, I didn't. I've added the SunOS parts right above that Minix comment. > to keep the compiler passes from dumping core, right? How big was the > executable (for the table at http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck90.html )? The size of wermit (stripped, with curses/termcap) is 2400256 bytes. The size of C-Kermit 8.0.211 (which runs fine with my NCurses... hmm...) is 2334720 bytes. # ldd ./wermit -lc.1 => /usr/lib/libc.so.1.9 -ldl.1 => /usr/lib/libdl.so.1.0 # ldd /usr/local/bin/kermit -lncurses.5 => /usr/local/lib/libncurses.so.5.7 -lc.1 => /usr/lib/libc.so.1.9 -ldl.1 => /usr/lib/libdl.so.1.0 BTW you need to modify the sys/ioctl.h include file, i.e. comment out the "struct winsize" and "struct ttysize". Otherwise there will be a conflict with sys/ttycom.h (included by termios.h) which also declares these structs. But you need both includes. Christian From adammikutaWytnij@gmail.wyt.nij.com Wed Feb 10 15:08:56 2010 Path: reader2.panix.com!panix!newsfeed-00.mathworks.com!kanaga.switch.ch!switch.ch!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!news.nask.pl!news.nask.org.pl!news.onet.pl!not-for-mail From: Adam Mikuta Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: C-Kermit and u-boot Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 14:09:06 +0000 (UTC) Organization: (...) - Cenzura Lines: 47 Message-ID: Reply-To: adammikutaWytnij@gmail.wytnij.com.xx NNTP-Posting-Host: 77-252-234-87.ip.netia.com.pl Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: news.onet.pl 1265810946 11279 77.252.234.87 (10 Feb 2010 14:09:06 GMT) X-Complaints-To: niusy@onet.pl NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 14:09:06 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: slrn/0.9.9p1 (Linux) Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15907 Hi. I'm trying to send kernel image to u-boot bootloader using C-Kermit. When I'm doing it on windows with Kermit 95 and configuration: set line /dev/ttyS0 set speed 115200 set carrier-watch off set handshake none set flow-control none robust set file type bin set file name lit set rec pack 1000 set send pack 1000 set window 5 Everithing works fine. But when I use the same configuration on linux[1] I got: ************************* SEND-class command failed. Packets sent: 2 Retransmissions: 11 Timeouts: 0 Damaged packets: 0 Fatal Kermit Protocol Error: Too many retries HINTS... If the preceding error message does not explain the failure: . Try changing the remote Kermit's FLOW-CONTROL setting. . Increase the retry limit (see HELP SET RETRY). . Try it again with SET STREAMING OFF. . Try it again with SET PARITY SPACE. . As a last resort, give a ROBUST command and try again. Also: . Be sure the source file has read permission. . Be sure the target directory has write permission. (Use SET HINTS OFF to suppress hints.) ************************* I did many tryes witch diffrent configurations and I have no idea what can be the reason... [1] System is Ubuntu in virtualbox with Kermit 8.0.211. -- Adam "Prawda jest prosta - gdyby by³o inaczej ka¿dy g³upiec móg³by j± zrozumieæ". From fdc@panix.com Wed Feb 10 15:31:19 2010 Path: reader2.panix.com!panix!not-for-mail From: Frank da Cruz Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-Kermit 9.0 for VAX? Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 20:17:46 +0000 (UTC) Organization: PANIX Public Access Internet and UNIX, NYC Lines: 26 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: fdc@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: panix1.panix.com X-Trace: reader2.panix.com 1265833066 7337 166.84.1.1 (10 Feb 2010 20:17:46 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@panix.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 20:17:46 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0 (NetBSD) Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15908 On 2010-02-09, Steven Schweda wrote: : Frank da Cruz wrote: :> Anybody have a VAX (with C compiler) for building C-Kermit 9.0? : : By the way, I seem to have tried to build the 2009-11-20 : kit on my VMS V5.5-2 system, and had a bunch of trouble with : %CC-I-IMPLICITFUNC, %CC-W-PTRMISMATCH, and so on. Also, in : ckvfio.c, defining NOCONVROUTINES does bypass the "#include :" directive, but apparently not the code : which uses the conv$* functions, further down. As I recall, I : also spotted a comment somewhere (else?) which suggested that : support for older VMS versions was not highly valued, so I : didn't pursue it. The evidence is on a disk I can't see now, : but I suspect that it worked better on VMS VAX V7.3. : I used to have VMS 5.5 here and was able to build every C-Kermit version up through 8.0.206 on it, making any needed corrections. As I recall, the builds were clean, no warnings, except one which is well marked. (C-Kermit 8.0.206 also built OK on VMS 4.7.) If you or somebody with VMS 5.x can send me patches to get around any fatal problems building C-Kermit 9.0, I'll be glad to incorporate them. We don't "deprecate" old versions of anything. If there is a comment somewhere to that effect, it's not from me. - Frank From fdc@panix.com Wed Feb 10 15:31:26 2010 Path: reader2.panix.com!panix!not-for-mail From: Frank da Cruz Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-Kermit 9.0 for VAX? Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 20:21:05 +0000 (UTC) Organization: PANIX Public Access Internet and UNIX, NYC Lines: 20 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: fdc@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: panix1.panix.com X-Trace: reader2.panix.com 1265833265 7337 166.84.1.1 (10 Feb 2010 20:21:05 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@panix.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 20:21:05 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0 (NetBSD) Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15909 On 2010-02-10, Steven Schweda wrote: : Frank da Cruz wrote: : :> I'd be particularly interested in how "@ckvker f" works out (the "long :> file" support option) on 32-bit VMS hardware. : : That's easy. It won't. In DECC$TYPES.H, all the : _LARGEFILE stuff is conditional on "!defined(__VAX)". There : is no C run-time support for large files on VAX, and I expect : none in the future. I believe that ckvker.com ignores "F" on : a VAX. A complaint could be added, but I believe that it's : currently silent. : But in VMS, C-Kermit's file i/o routines (at least the ones used for file transfer and for logs) are RMS, not C library, based. So it might be just a question of the reporting -- file transfer display, statistics, and thermometer. But I confess, I haven't had time to look at the code. - Frank From fdc@panix.com Wed Feb 10 15:31:30 2010 Path: reader2.panix.com!panix!not-for-mail From: Frank Da Cruz Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Announce: C-Kermit 9.0 Alpha.02 Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 20:26:28 +0000 (UTC) Organization: PANIX Public Access Internet and UNIX, NYC Lines: 13 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: fdc@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: panix1.panix.com X-Trace: reader2.panix.com 1265833588 7337 166.84.1.1 (10 Feb 2010 20:26:28 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@panix.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 20:26:28 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0 (NetBSD) Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15910 On 2010-02-10, Christian Corti wrote: : ... : BTW you need to modify the sys/ioctl.h include file, i.e. comment out : the "struct winsize" and "struct ttysize". Otherwise there will be a : conflict with sys/ttycom.h (included by termios.h) which also declares : these structs. But you need both includes. : Thanks, I've added this comment to sunos41 makefile target. I'm not sure why this was never necessary before, or maybe it was necessary and someone fixed the header files without my knowledge. - Frank From fdc@panix.com Wed Feb 10 15:31:33 2010 Path: reader2.panix.com!panix!not-for-mail From: Frank Da Cruz Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-Kermit and u-boot Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 20:30:49 +0000 (UTC) Organization: PANIX Public Access Internet and UNIX, NYC Lines: 56 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: fdc@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: panix1.panix.com X-Trace: reader2.panix.com 1265833849 7337 166.84.1.1 (10 Feb 2010 20:30:49 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@panix.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 20:30:49 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0 (NetBSD) Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15911 On 2010-02-10, Adam Mikuta wrote: : Hi. : : I'm trying to send kernel image to u-boot bootloader using C-Kermit. : When I'm doing it on windows with Kermit 95 and configuration: : : set line /dev/ttyS0 : set speed 115200 : set carrier-watch off : set handshake none : set flow-control none : robust : set file type bin : set file name lit : set rec pack 1000 : set send pack 1000 : set window 5 : : Everithing works fine. But when I use the same configuration on linux[1] : I got: : : ************************* : SEND-class command failed. : Packets sent: 2 : Retransmissions: 11 : Timeouts: 0 : Damaged packets: 0 : Fatal Kermit Protocol Error: Too many retries : : HINTS... If the preceding error message does not explain the failure: : . Try changing the remote Kermit's FLOW-CONTROL setting. : . Increase the retry limit (see HELP SET RETRY). : . Try it again with SET STREAMING OFF. : . Try it again with SET PARITY SPACE. : . As a last resort, give a ROBUST command and try again. : Also: : . Be sure the source file has read permission. : . Be sure the target directory has write permission. : (Use SET HINTS OFF to suppress hints.) : ************************* : : I did many tryes witch diffrent configurations and I have no idea what : can be the reason... : : [1] System is Ubuntu in virtualbox with Kermit 8.0.211. : The software may be the same, but the computers, serial ports, and serial drivers are different. Clearly the packets are getting garbled in the second case. I can see that the hints are not very useful; they should be more context-sensitive (since they know what the local flow control is, and they know that streaming is not in effect). My first suggestion would be to try a lower speed and/or shorter packets. - Frank From totheedgeoftime@msn.com Fri Feb 12 14:20:35 2010 Path: reader2.panix.com!panix!usenet.stanford.edu!postnews.google.com!g11g2000yqe.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: starchild Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-Kermit 9.0 for VAX? Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 06:49:00 -0800 (PST) Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 7 Message-ID: <963977da-573b-4200-852c-a9b9274411e6@g11g2000yqe.googlegroups.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.35.165.221 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: posting.google.com 1265899741 25972 127.0.0.1 (11 Feb 2010 14:49:01 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 14:49:01 +0000 (UTC) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: g11g2000yqe.googlegroups.com; posting-host=68.35.165.221; posting-account=Kk1d-goAAADxHg9eb43msAVpDGkT3pIm User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.0.17) Gecko/2010010604 Ubuntu/9.04 (jaunty) Firefox/3.0.17,gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15912 On Feb 9, 9:52=A0am, Frank da Cruz wrote: > Anybody have a VAX (with C compiler) for building C-Kermit 9.0? > > Thanks, > > Frank Has anyone stepped forward yet? If not contact me by e-mail. From craigberry@nospam.mac.com Fri Feb 12 14:20:49 2010 Path: reader2.panix.com!panix!usenet.stanford.edu!postnews.google.com!news1.google.com!Xl.tags.giganews.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!local2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.speakeasy.net!news.speakeasy.net.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 22:25:44 -0600 Message-ID: <4B74D848.6070803@nospam.mac.com> Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 22:25:44 -0600 From: "Craig A. Berry" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; OpenVMS COMPAQ_Professional_Workstation; en-US; rv:1.7) Gecko/20040621 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc To: fdc@columbia.edu Subject: Re: C-Kermit 9.0 for VAX? References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 15 X-Usenet-Provider: http://www.giganews.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.81.145.238 X-Trace: sv3-Ocd9Jmr61z8xhquHeeV8sJtKPzO4pRIl9rAhSX211UZff/P2yW5dMDiUdsWuZNdVMsbrAMnu3ecs2F9!LXz0dAOdjEsIbmRj/G/ZTdZdvKbUEN4OEJbXjaGozIUasXUP/eyBrsvKDLaZITTALFRPjLBUYHoG!bgiesEOyCFcUjf88 X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.40 Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15913 Frank da Cruz wrote: > Anybody have a VAX (with C compiler) for building C-Kermit 9.0? I've built it on my local SIMH instance: $ cc/vers Compaq C V6.4-005 on OpenVMS VAX V7.3 $ mcr []wermit C-Kermit 9.0.299 Alpha.02, 1 Feb 2010, for VAX/VMS Copyright (C) 1985, 2010, Trustees of Columbia University in the City of New York. Type ? or HELP for help. The zipped executable is 1736 blocks; let me know how you'd like to get it and I'd be happy to send it to you. From fdc@panix.com Fri Feb 12 14:22:52 2010 Path: reader2.panix.com!panix!not-for-mail From: Frank Da Cruz Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-Kermit 9.0 for VAX? Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 19:22:35 +0000 (UTC) Organization: PANIX Public Access Internet and UNIX, NYC Lines: 14 Message-ID: References: <963977da-573b-4200-852c-a9b9274411e6@g11g2000yqe.googlegroups.com> Reply-To: fdc@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: panix1.panix.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: reader2.panix.com 1266002555 10571 166.84.1.1 (12 Feb 2010 19:22:35 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@panix.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 19:22:35 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0 (NetBSD) Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15914 On 2010-02-11, starchild wrote: : On Feb 9, 9:52 am, Frank da Cruz wrote: :> Anybody have a VAX (with C compiler) for building C-Kermit 9.0? :> :> Thanks, :> :> Frank : Has anyone stepped forward yet? If not contact me by e-mail. : I think I'm pretty well now, thanks. Meanwhile, although somebody is doing builds for me on ia64, I don't have direct access to VMS on ia64, which would be helpful if it's possible. - Frank From adammikutaWytnij@gmail.wyt.nij.com Mon Feb 15 14:11:25 2010 Path: reader2.panix.com!panix!news.linkpendium.com!news.linkpendium.com!feeder.erje.net!news2.arglkargh.de!news.mixmin.net!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!news.nask.pl!news.nask.org.pl!news.onet.pl!not-for-mail From: Adam Mikuta Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-Kermit and u-boot Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 14:41:33 +0000 (UTC) Organization: (...) - Cenzura Lines: 17 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: adammikutaWytnij@gmail.wytnij.com.xx NNTP-Posting-Host: 77-252-234-87.ip.netia.com.pl Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: news.onet.pl 1266244893 1665 77.252.234.87 (15 Feb 2010 14:41:33 GMT) X-Complaints-To: niusy@onet.pl NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 14:41:33 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: slrn/0.9.9p1 (Linux) Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15915 Dnia 10.02.2010 Frank Da Cruz napisa³/a: > The software may be the same, but the computers, serial ports, and > serial drivers are different. Clearly the packets are getting garbled > in the second case. I can see that the hints are not very useful; > they should be more context-sensitive (since they know what the local > flow control is, and they know that streaming is not in effect). > > My first suggestion would be to try a lower speed and/or shorter > packets. It looks like virtualbox creates problem. Without it kermit works fine. Thank you for your help. -- Adam "Prawda jest prosta - gdyby by³o inaczej ka¿dy g³upiec móg³by j± zrozumieæ". From totheedgeoftime@msn.com Wed Feb 17 14:44:01 2010 Path: reader2.panix.com!panix!usenet.stanford.edu!postnews.google.com!u9g2000yqb.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: starchild Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: script file for auto dialing Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 11:58:25 -0800 (PST) Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 6 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.35.165.221 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Trace: posting.google.com 1266350305 12069 127.0.0.1 (16 Feb 2010 19:58:25 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 19:58:25 +0000 (UTC) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: u9g2000yqb.googlegroups.com; posting-host=68.35.165.221; posting-account=Kk1d-goAAADxHg9eb43msAVpDGkT3pIm User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.0.17) Gecko/2010010604 Ubuntu/9.04 (jaunty) Firefox/3.0.17,gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15916 Hello I was wondering if anybody has a script file that will allow kermit to do auto dialing a list of numbers? This script needs to be able to run on OpenVMS (any version) and Windows (any version) and Kermit (any version). tks From mark@msapiro.net Wed Feb 17 14:44:12 2010 Path: reader2.panix.com!panix!usenet.stanford.edu!postnews.google.com!b9g2000pri.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: Mark Sapiro Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: script file for auto dialing Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 15:34:52 -0800 (PST) Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 4 Message-ID: <57930745-41d1-442a-bace-fb488a9f2c37@b9g2000pri.googlegroups.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.183.193.239 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Trace: posting.google.com 1266363292 21797 127.0.0.1 (16 Feb 2010 23:34:52 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 23:34:52 +0000 (UTC) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: b9g2000pri.googlegroups.com; posting-host=68.183.193.239; posting-account=BAH0qQgAAABcTsGtrBPRBzfORCj2-xhy User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.7) Gecko/20091221 Firefox/3.5.7 (.NET CLR 3.5.30729),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15917 It should be easy enough to modify the script at to accept a list, or perhaps one of the other scripts at is closer to what you want. From fdc@panix.com Wed Feb 17 14:57:51 2010 Path: reader2.panix.com!panix!not-for-mail From: Frank da Cruz Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: script file for auto dialing Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 19:57:00 +0000 (UTC) Organization: PANIX Public Access Internet and UNIX, NYC Lines: 46 Message-ID: References: <57930745-41d1-442a-bace-fb488a9f2c37@b9g2000pri.googlegroups.com> Reply-To: fdc@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: panix3.panix.com X-Trace: reader2.panix.com 1266436620 17798 166.84.1.3 (17 Feb 2010 19:57:00 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@panix.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 19:57:00 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0 (NetBSD) Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15918 On 2010-02-16, Mark Sapiro wrote: : It should be easy enough to modify the script at: : : ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/scripts/ckermit/autodial : : to accept a list, or perhaps one of the other scripts at: : : http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckscripts.html#modm : : is closer to what you want. : If you mean, try a bunch of different numbers to reach one specific service or host, you can do that with a dialing directory, or you can actually put a list of numbers in the DIAL command itself, like this: dial {{firstnumber}{secondnumber}{thirdnumber}...{lastnumber}} The curly braces are part of the command. The technique is described here: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckermit70.html#x2.1.16 If you mean dial a bunch of different hosts or services, one after the other, that would be a matter of parameterizing the autodial script, and then writing another short script to call it in a loop with the appropriate parameters for each host or service. Or you could do it all in a single, simple script. declare \&a[] = firstnumber secondnumber .... lastnumber set port /dev/ttyS0 # or whatever set speed 57600 # or whatever set modem type generic # or whatever set flow rts/cts for i 1 \fdim(&a) 1 { dial \&a[i] if fail echo "DIAL \&a[i] failed - continuing..." # put the code here to do whatever you want to do with the call... } If you have different access information for each host, that could go into parallel arrays. - Frank From sms.antinode@gmail.com Fri Mar 12 14:58:14 2010 Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!usenet.stanford.edu!postnews.google.com!i25g2000yqm.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: Steven Schweda Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-Kermit 9.0 for VAX? Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2010 18:44:15 -0800 (PST) Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 30 Message-ID: References: <963977da-573b-4200-852c-a9b9274411e6@g11g2000yqe.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.98.249.184 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Trace: posting.google.com 1267843455 9561 127.0.0.1 (6 Mar 2010 02:44:15 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2010 02:44:15 +0000 (UTC) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: i25g2000yqm.googlegroups.com; posting-host=209.98.249.184; posting-account=OjKUgAkAAAAXAqdVEKd-Gc8RltEUx3Xq User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; OpenVMS COMPAQ_Professional_Workstation; en-US; rv:1.8.1.17) Gecko/20081029 SeaMonkey/1.1.12,gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15921 Fired up the local VAX (VMS V7.3). Got an unexpected complaint: @ CKVKER.COM SFI D "CK_SSL,OPENSSL_DISABLE_OLD_DES_SUPPORT" [...] Compiling SYS$SYSDEVICE: [UTILITY.SOURCE.KERMIT.V9R0_299_2010-02-01]CK_SSL.C ssl_get_dNSName(ssl) SSL * ssl; ^ %CC-W-DUPEXTERN, The declaration of "ssl_get_dNSName" will map to the same external name as the declaration of "ssl_get_dnsName" at line 126 in SYS$SYSDEVICE:[UTILITY.SOURCE.KERMIT.V9R0_299_2010-02-01]CK_SSL.H;1. At line number 2433 in SYS$SYSDEVICE: [UTILITY.SOURCE.KERMIT.V9R0_299_2010-02-01]CK_SSL.C;1. [...] Should these look the same or different?: ALP $ sea *.h, *.c ssl_get_dnsname ****************************** ALP$DKA0:[UTILITY.SOURCE.KERMIT.v9r0_299_2010-02-01]ck_ssl.h;1 _PROTOTYP(char * ssl_get_dnsName,(SSL *)); ****************************** ALP$DKA0:[UTILITY.SOURCE.KERMIT.v9r0_299_2010-02-01]ck_ssl.c;1 ssl_get_dNSName(ssl) SSL * ssl; From sms.antinode@gmail.com Fri Mar 12 14:59:26 2010 Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed-00.mathworks.com!newsfeed2.dallas1.level3.net!news.level3.com!postnews.google.com!z4g2000yqa.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: Steven Schweda Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-Kermit 9.0 for VAX? Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2010 06:01:04 -0800 (PST) Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 60 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.98.249.184 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Trace: posting.google.com 1267970464 17376 127.0.0.1 (7 Mar 2010 14:01:04 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2010 14:01:04 +0000 (UTC) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: z4g2000yqa.googlegroups.com; posting-host=209.98.249.184; posting-account=OjKUgAkAAAAXAqdVEKd-Gc8RltEUx3Xq User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; OpenVMS COMPAQ_Professional_Workstation; en-US; rv:1.8.1.17) Gecko/20081029 SeaMonkey/1.1.12,gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15922 Frank da Cruz wrote: > But in VMS, C-Kermit's file i/o routines (at least the ones used > for file transfer and for logs) are RMS, not C library, based. > So it might be just a question of the reporting -- file transfer > display, statistics, and thermometer. But I confess, I haven't > had time to look at the code. Perhaps if you tell me this a few more times, I might remember it. (But, if experience is any guide, probably not.) I did try an FTP GET of a 5GB file on my most current VMS VAX system, and as you had suggested, the file transfer was successful, but the progress reporting was pretty miserable. For example: File Size: 905019392 Percent Done: 1 - ... 10...20...30...40...50...60...70...80...90..100 Estimated Time Left: 05:42:20 Percent Done: 100 ////////////////////////////////////////////////// ... 10...20...30...40...50...60...70...80...90..100 Estimated Time Left: (unknown) Percent Done: -154/- ... 10...20...30...40...50...60...70...80...90..100 Estimated Time Left: (unknown) ////////////////////// 94 //////////////////////////////////////////////// ... 10...20...30...40...50...60...70...80...90..100 Estimated Time Left: 01:39:21 ////////////////////// 100/////////////////////////////////////////////////// ... 10...20...30...40...50...60...70...80...90..100 Elapsed Time: 27:54:02 You working on that 64-bit math package for 32-bit systems? > If you or somebody with VMS 5.x can send me patches to get around > any fatal problems building C-Kermit 9.0, I'll be glad to > incorporate them. We don't "deprecate" old versions of anything. > If there is a comment somewhere to that effect, it's not from me. I'll try to re-investigate and see what I can do. Ideally before summer, when running the old VAX becomes (more) unpleasant. From sms.antinode@gmail.com Fri Mar 12 15:00:18 2010 Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed-00.mathworks.com!newsfeed2.dallas1.level3.net!news.level3.com!postnews.google.com!a18g2000yqc.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: Steven Schweda Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-Kermit 9.0 for VAX? Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 08:34:00 -0800 (PST) Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 51 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.98.249.184 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Trace: posting.google.com 1268238840 21856 127.0.0.1 (10 Mar 2010 16:34:00 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 16:34:00 +0000 (UTC) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: a18g2000yqc.googlegroups.com; posting-host=209.98.249.184; posting-account=OjKUgAkAAAAXAqdVEKd-Gc8RltEUx3Xq User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; OpenVMS COMPAQ_Professional_Workstation; en-US; rv:1.8.1.17) Gecko/20081029 SeaMonkey/1.1.12,gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15924 Frank da Cruz wrote: > If you or somebody with VMS 5.x can send me patches to get around > any fatal problems building C-Kermit 9.0, I'll be glad to > incorporate them. We don't "deprecate" old versions of anything. > If there is a comment somewhere to that effect, it's not from me. Regarding large-file support on VMS, I haven't looked closely at this, but specifying "F" to the builder will get the C macros _LARGEFILE_SOURCE and _LARGEFILE defined. Whether that does anything useful for, say, CK_OFF_T is another question. Regarding HTTP support on VMS, defining NOHTTP seems to have little if any effect: $ if vms_ver .lts. "VMS_V62" then cln_def = cln_def +",NOHTTP,NOCMDATE2TM" Defining only IKSD causes problems. Adding IKSDCONF does not help much. Adding CK_LOGIN reveals that, for example, "inserver", "isguest", and "local" are all "not declared", and don't appear in any header files. I did find some loose "extern" declarations scattered around in the ".c" files, but I figured that these couldn't be serious. Regarding VAX builds, there are some suggested changes in: http://antinode.info/ftp/kermit/v9r0_299_2010-02-01/ Patches and notes are in "notes_2010-02-01.txt". Loose before and after files are also in that directory. With these changes, I could get the following VAX builds to work with no warnings (and fewer informationals than before): VMS V5.4, VAX C V3.1-051, UCX V1.3 @ CKVKER.COM FLIS D "NOCONVROUTINES,INTSELECT,OLDFIB" VMS V5.5-2, DEC C V4.0-000, UCX V3.1 @ CKVKER.COM FLIS D "BUGFILL7,INTSELECT" VMS V6.2, DEC C V6.0-001, UCX V4.0 @ CKVKER.COM FLIS D VMS V7.3, Compaq C V6.4-005, TCPIP V5.3 - ECO 4 @ CKVKER.COM FLIS D "CK_SSL,OPENSSL_DISABLE_OLD_DES_SUPPORT" I didn't do any serious testing with the resulting executables, but none of the changes should wreck any working code (I claim). From presence@MUNGEpanix.com Fri Mar 12 15:00:42 2010 Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!panix.com!presence From: Cydrome Leader Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Announce: C-Kermit 9.0 Alpha.02 Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 23:27:33 +0000 (UTC) Organization: PANIX Public Access Internet and UNIX, NYC Lines: 12 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: panix3.panix.com X-Trace: reader1.panix.com 1268090853 2824 166.84.1.3 (8 Mar 2010 23:27:33 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@panix.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 23:27:33 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: tin/1.8.3-20070201 ("Scotasay") (UNIX) (NetBSD/5.0.1 (i386)) Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15923 In comp.unix.solaris Frank da Cruz wrote: > For those who didn't see the first announcement in November, a new release > of C-Kermit communication software: > > http://kermit.columbia.edu/ckermit.html > > is nearing release, version 9.0, described here: I though I saw it all today when I came across a posting for where somebody was looking for a RSS reader for OpenVMS. I can't tell if this is just as ridiculous or not. From fdc@panix.com Fri Mar 12 15:21:22 2010 Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!not-for-mail From: Frank da Cruz Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-Kermit 9.0 for VAX? Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 20:04:48 +0000 (UTC) Organization: PANIX Public Access Internet and UNIX, NYC Lines: 28 Message-ID: References: <963977da-573b-4200-852c-a9b9274411e6@g11g2000yqe.googlegroups.com> Reply-To: fdc@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: panix3.panix.com X-Trace: reader1.panix.com 1268424288 24267 166.84.1.3 (12 Mar 2010 20:04:48 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@panix.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 20:04:48 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0 (NetBSD) Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15925 On 2010-03-06, Steven Schweda wrote: : Fired up the local VAX (VMS V7.3). Got an unexpected : complaint: : : @ CKVKER.COM SFI D "CK_SSL,OPENSSL_DISABLE_OLD_DES_SUPPORT" : [...] : Compiling SYS$SYSDEVICE: : [UTILITY.SOURCE.KERMIT.V9R0_299_2010-02-01]CK_SSL.C : ssl_get_dNSName(ssl) SSL * ssl; : ^ : %CC-W-DUPEXTERN, The declaration of "ssl_get_dNSName" will map to the : same external name as the declaration of "ssl_get_dnsName" at line 126 in : SYS$SYSDEVICE:[UTILITY.SOURCE.KERMIT.V9R0_299_2010-02-01]CK_SSL.H;1. : At line number 2433 in SYS$SYSDEVICE: : [UTILITY.SOURCE.KERMIT.V9R0_299_2010-02-01]CK_SSL.C;1. : [...] : : Should these look the same or different?: : Honestly I have no idea. I was kind of hoping that somebody who (a) cares, and (b) knows something VMS C programming and OpenSSL (or HP SSL) on VMS will sort this stuff out. I do know that in Unix, OPENSSL_097 must be defined for building against OpenSSL 0.9.7 or later, because of the "great consonant shift". Maybe that has something to do with it. - Frank From fdc@panix.com Fri Mar 12 15:21:28 2010 Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!not-for-mail From: Frank da Cruz Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-Kermit 9.0 for VAX? Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 20:07:16 +0000 (UTC) Organization: PANIX Public Access Internet and UNIX, NYC Lines: 11 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: fdc@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: panix3.panix.com X-Trace: reader1.panix.com 1268424436 24267 166.84.1.3 (12 Mar 2010 20:07:16 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@panix.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 20:07:16 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0 (NetBSD) Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15926 On 2010-03-07, Steven Schweda wrote: : You working on that 64-bit math package for 32-bit systems? : I did it already for Unix. I just use off_t instead of int. If a 32-bit system has off_t defined as a 64-bit signed int, poof, you have 64-bit arithmetic. For VMS, I'm hoping some VMS programmer will take a look at it because my access to VMS isn't what it used to be. - Frank From fdc@panix.com Fri Mar 12 15:21:35 2010 Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!not-for-mail From: Frank da Cruz Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-Kermit 9.0 for VAX? Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 20:20:47 +0000 (UTC) Organization: PANIX Public Access Internet and UNIX, NYC Lines: 44 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: fdc@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: panix3.panix.com X-Trace: reader1.panix.com 1268425247 3318 166.84.1.3 (12 Mar 2010 20:20:47 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@panix.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 20:20:47 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0 (NetBSD) Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15927 On 2010-03-10, Steven Schweda wrote: : Regarding large-file support on VMS, I haven't looked : closely at this, but specifying "F" to the builder will get : the C macros _LARGEFILE_SOURCE and _LARGEFILE defined. : Whether that does anything useful for, say, CK_OFF_T is : another question. : Right. Again, this is a job for somebody who is fluent in VMS. : Regarding HTTP support on VMS, defining NOHTTP seems to have : little if any effect: : : $ if vms_ver .lts. "VMS_V62" then cln_def = cln_def : +",NOHTTP,NOCMDATE2TM" : : Defining only IKSD causes problems. Adding IKSDCONF does not : help much. Adding CK_LOGIN reveals that, for example, : "inserver", "isguest", and "local" are all "not declared", and : don't appear in any header files. I did find some loose : "extern" declarations scattered around in the ".c" files, but : I figured that these couldn't be serious. : I don't think the HTTP code has ever been checked on VMS before. I'm sure it needs work. IKSD would need a lot of new work for VMS; user authentication for one thing. : Regarding VAX builds, there are some suggested changes in: : : http://antinode.info/ftp/kermit/v9r0_299_2010-02-01/ : : Patches and notes are in "notes_2010-02-01.txt". : Thanks for these, I grabbed them just now. : Loose before : and after files are also in that directory. With these : changes, I could get the following VAX builds to work with no : warnings (and fewer informationals than before): : Terrific, much appreciated. I'll fold all these changes into C-Kermit 9.0 Alpha.03, which is taking longer than expected because of "things" happening around here. - Frank From sms.antinode@gmail.com Sat Mar 13 11:18:46 2010 Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!usenet.stanford.edu!postnews.google.com!g28g2000yqh.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: Steven Schweda Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-Kermit 9.0 for VAX? Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 19:40:29 -0800 (PST) Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 76 Message-ID: <35c371b6-5d75-40c2-89a3-00b977ee9b88@g28g2000yqh.googlegroups.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.98.249.184 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Trace: posting.google.com 1268451629 32344 127.0.0.1 (13 Mar 2010 03:40:29 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2010 03:40:29 +0000 (UTC) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: g28g2000yqh.googlegroups.com; posting-host=209.98.249.184; posting-account=OjKUgAkAAAAXAqdVEKd-Gc8RltEUx3Xq User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; OpenVMS COMPAQ_Professional_Workstation; en-US; rv:1.8.1.17) Gecko/20081029 SeaMonkey/1.1.12,gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15928 Frank da Cruz wrote: > : You working on that 64-bit math package for 32-bit systems? > : > I did it already for Unix. I just use off_t instead of int. > If a 32-bit system has off_t defined as a 64-bit signed int, > poof, you have 64-bit arithmetic. Sadly, on VAX, off_t is 32 bits, and I'm unaware of any 64-bit integer type. Normally I wouldn't care, but someone recently reminded me that Kermit on VMS doesn't use the C RTL for file I/O, which did suggest that there might be hope for proper large-file behavior (even) on VAX. However, if all the size/offset code is written assuming that off_t will do the job, then there's probably little hope of finding a practical way to make it work on VAX. On the bright side, the builder's P1 "F" option leads to defining the C macros _LARGEFILE_SOURCE and _LARGEFILE, and they do seem to persuade a semi-recent non-VAX system (VMS >= V7.2, DEC C > V5.2 (actually, "__DECC_VER > 50230003")) to use a 64-bit off_t and CK_OFF_T. Running a quick "ftp /binary get" on that 5GB file on an Alpha, I don't get the same unrealistic "File Size: 905019392" which I did on the VAX, but the "File Size: " (with the matching "Estimated Time Left: (unknown)") suggests that someone somewhere still could use some work. I'll try to keep an eye open for negative numbers, and let you know. Got past "Bytes So Far: 2147483647" without going negative. What could go wrong now? Also on the missing features list, I just noticed (again? (Who can remember?)) that the code in ckvfio.c still uses "struct NAM" everywhere, which means that ODS5 extended file names can't be used. The code in (my) ckvrtl.c shows one way to allow the use of the new(er) NAML where it exists. I'm not sure how many Kermit buffers will overflow if we start using a maximum name length of NAML$C_MAXRSS (4095) instead of the old NAM$C_MAXRSS (255). Other code can need revision because formerly special characters (like, say, ":", "[", or " ") can now appear in file names (with "^" prefixes). Everything's complicated (and getting worse all the time). I can try to put in the basic NAML support, but I would not bet on my doing all the testing needed to see if everything really works right on exotic extended file names. Speaking of maximum name length, nowadays, on VMS, CKMAXPATH is being set to PATH_MAX (256), which is entirely unrealistic for ODS5. Listing extract: [...] I1 12361 #ifndef CKMAXPATH I1 X 12362 #ifdef MAXPATHLEN /* (it probably isn't) */ I1 X 12363 #define CKMAXPATH MAXPATHLEN I1 X 12364 #else I1 12365 #ifdef PATH_MAX /* POSIX */ I1 12366 #define CKMAXPATH PATH_MAX I1 X 12367 #else [...] I1 X 12377 #ifdef VMS I1 X 12378 #define CKMAXPATH 675 /* (derivation is complicated...) */ I1 X 12379 #else [...] 35585 static char nambuf[CKMAXPATH]; /* maximum size of a file spec */ E 256 35586 static char cwdbuf[NAM$C_MAXRSS]; E 255 [...] I can't help wondering whence came that "675" value, but it's not getting used, so it may not matter much. From VAXman-@SendSpamHere.ORG Sat Mar 13 11:19:26 2010 Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed-00.mathworks.com!newsfeed2.dallas1.level3.net!news.level3.com!postnews.google.com!news1.google.com!npeer02.iad.highwinds-media.com!news.highwinds-media.com!feed-me.highwinds-media.com!nx01.iad01.newshosting.com!209.197.12.246.MISMATCH!nx02.iad01.newshosting.com!newshosting.com!69.16.185.51.MISMATCH!isp-post01.iad!news.cv.net!not-for-mail Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-Kermit 9.0 for VAX? References: <35c371b6-5d75-40c2-89a3-00b977ee9b88@g28g2000yqh.googlegroups.com> From: VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG Reply-To: VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2010 11:18:08 GMT Message-ID: <00A9A5FD.6A093DF8@SendSpamHere.ORG> Organization: c.2010 Brian Schenkenberger. Prior employers of copyright holder and their agents must first obtain written permission to copy this posting. Lines: 31 NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.187.213.26 X-Complaints-To: abuse@cv.net Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15929 In article <35c371b6-5d75-40c2-89a3-00b977ee9b88@g28g2000yqh.googlegroups.com>, Steven Schweda writes: >Frank da Cruz wrote: > >> : You working on that 64-bit math package for 32-bit systems? >> : >> I did it already for Unix. I just use off_t instead of int. >> If a 32-bit system has off_t defined as a 64-bit signed int, >> poof, you have 64-bit arithmetic. > > Sadly, on VAX, off_t is 32 bits, and I'm unaware of any >64-bit integer type. Normally I wouldn't care, but someone >recently reminded me that Kermit on VMS doesn't use the C RTL >for file I/O, which did suggest that there might be hope for >proper large-file behavior (even) on VAX. However, if all the >size/offset code is written assuming that off_t will do the >job, then there's probably little hope of finding a practical >way to make it work on VAX. 64 bit integer math on VAX? Simple! VAX has instructions to implement 64 bit and larger datum. ADDL/ADWC, SUBL/SBWC, EMUL, EMOD, EDIV and a number of other bit manipulation instructions with virtually no limits as to where the fields in the target datum begin or end. What 64 bit math operations are needed? Post them here. -- VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)ORG http://www.quirkfactory.com/popart/asskey/eqn2.png Yeah. You know, it occurs to me that the best way you hurt rich people is by turning them into poor people. -- Billy Ray Valentine From sms.antinode@gmail.com Tue Mar 16 14:06:14 2010 Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!usenet.stanford.edu!postnews.google.com!m37g2000yqf.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: Steven Schweda Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-Kermit 9.0 for VAX? Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 22:40:20 -0700 (PDT) Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 11 Message-ID: References: <35c371b6-5d75-40c2-89a3-00b977ee9b88@g28g2000yqh.googlegroups.com> <00A9A5FD.6A093DF8@SendSpamHere.ORG> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.98.249.184 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Trace: posting.google.com 1268718020 17492 127.0.0.1 (16 Mar 2010 05:40:20 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 05:40:20 +0000 (UTC) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: m37g2000yqf.googlegroups.com; posting-host=209.98.249.184; posting-account=OjKUgAkAAAAXAqdVEKd-Gc8RltEUx3Xq User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; OpenVMS COMPAQ_Professional_Workstation; en-US; rv:1.8.1.17) Gecko/20081029 SeaMonkey/1.1.12,gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15930 VAXman- <@sendspamhere.org> wrote: > 64 bit integer math on VAX? Simple! [...] The big problem is not doing 64-bit arithmetic on a 32-bit system, it's rewriting all the C code which expects to able to use simple expressions ("a+b") to do the job, instead of using functions in some 64-bit math package. More work than it's worth (to me, at least). You're welcome to jump right in, but the resulting code clutter would probably cause more problems than it cured. From fdc@panix.com Sat Mar 20 17:14:31 2010 Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!not-for-mail From: Frank da Cruz Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.os.vms Subject: Announce: C-Kermit Alpha.03 Followup-To: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2010 20:59:52 +0000 (UTC) Organization: PANIX Public Access Internet and UNIX, NYC Lines: 33 Message-ID: Reply-To: fdc@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: panix3.panix.com X-Trace: reader1.panix.com 1269118792 29360 166.84.1.3 (20 Mar 2010 20:59:52 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@panix.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2010 20:59:52 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0 (NetBSD) Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15931 comp.os.vms:518669 C-Kermit 9.0 Alpha.03 is ready for testing. Here's the page that summarizes what's new: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck90.html There's one item that should be of interest to any site that uses HP ProCurve network switches. But most of the work this time is specific to VMS: . Premilinary ODS5 support . "Large file" support on Alpha and IA64, including (we hope) correct file transfer progress display and statistics for huge files, and also access to 64-bit integers in the command and script language. . The Kermit FTP client is included by default in all TCP/IP builds. This needs a good deal of testing. . OpenSSL builds should automatically configure themselves according to the perceived SSL version. . Improved support for ever-older VMS versions. Anybody out there have VMS 5-point-something? For more about the Kermit FTP client see: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ftpclient.html This has been part of the Unix version of C-Kermit for almost 10 years but until now has not been adapted to VMS. Note that if you build C-Kermit with SSL, then you'll also have a secure FTP client (FTPS). Comments, questions, corrections, etc, to me. - Frank fdc@columbia.edu From arthur.marsh@internode.on.net Mon Mar 22 11:41:06 2010 Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!usenet.stanford.edu!news.kjsl.com!news.alt.net!news.astraweb.com!border1.newsrouter.astraweb.com!not-for-mail Message-ID: <4BA76359.6090405@internode.on.net> Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 23:02:25 +1030 From: Arthur Marsh User-Agent: Mozilla-Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (X11/20091109) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,gmane.linux.debian.user Followup-To: comp.protocols.kermit.misc To: Dotan Cohen Subject: Re: Transferring files over SSH in the console References: <880dece01003211552le9d6018odb9bd683c3c897a9@mail.gmail.com> <201003212314.32985.reidac@bellatlantic.net> <201003212325.49742.reidac@bellatlantic.net> <880dece01003220152p3c8d50e1le80fe6bab5522601@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <880dece01003220152p3c8d50e1le80fe6bab5522601@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 119 Organization: Unlimited download news at news.astraweb.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 42524105.news.astraweb.com X-Trace: DXC=l9bHn;8S3NG5\iVS6:P;:IL?0kYOcDh@J:_2G`?HMHR[O[1L?Z>> As others have commented, you can use scp or sftp. >>> >>> However, I can imagine that embedded might not have the >>> sftp service or the scp executable. >>> >>> If that's your case, you can always do: >>> >>> # cat file | ssh remote 'cat > destinaton' >> Pardon my replying to myself, but I've now seen a bunch of the >> rest of the thread, and it seems to me that, if the set of commands >> you want to do is repeatable, then maybe what you want is to do >> most of the remote-system operations through SSH commands this way? >> >> Someone else may have already suggested this, but something >> like: >> >> # cat file.tgz | ssh remote 'cat > dest.tgz' (or scp, if available) >> # ssh remote 'tar -xf dest.tgz' >> # ssh remote 'sh dest/installer' (or whatever) >> # ssh remote 'cat dest/install-log' > remote-install-log (or whatever) >> >> This way, you still only have the one shell, and/but you >> pay the price in having to prefix all the remote operations >> with "ssh remote". However, you could script this on the >> local system (which is, I think, why you want a single >> session, right, so you can script it?), and then the extra >> typing doesn't really cost you much. >> > > Thanks for the idea, Andrew, but I'm actually not scripting this. > Right now I have two windows open: one for sftp and one for shell > commands. I was hoping to save myself the trouble of switching > windows, keeping the cd in sync, etc, with something that supports > both sftp commands and ssh commands. I don't want to increase my > workload by prefixing all the commands. > I regularly use C-Kermit to do this kind of thing, but using telnetd-ssl on the target machine rather than sshd. Have a look at: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck90.html To get a full range of features I download the source from the above site and do a: make linux+openssl+zlib+shadow+pam followed by checkinstall make install on Debian. (You need packages for checkinstall openssl, openssl-dev, zlib, but it builds easily) An example of logging in to the remote machine, obtaining and building C-Kermit on that machine, then using C-Kermit to download the source tarball on that machine follows: C-Kermit>telnet 192.168.1.101 Trying 192.168.1.101... (OK) Negotiations........Authenticating with SSL [TLS - AES256-SHA SSLv3 Kx=RSA Au=RSA Enc=AES(256) Mac=SHA1 Compression: zlib compression (OK) Password: Last login: Mon Mar 22 18:19:12 CST 2010 from 192.168.1.100 on pts/0 Linux am64 2.6.32 #1 SMP PREEMPT Thu Mar 18 15:44:10 CST 2010 x86_64 amarsh04@remote:~/kermit-src$ kermit C-Kermit 9.0.299 Alpha.02, 1 Feb 2010, for Linux+SSL Copyright (C) 1985, 2010, Trustees of Columbia University in the City of New York. Type ? or HELP for help. (/home/amarsh04/kermit-src/) C-Kermit>ftp ftp.columbia.edu Connected to ftp.columbia.edu. Name (ftp.columbia.edu:amarsh04): anonymous Password: Login successful. Switching LOCUS for file-management commands to REMOTE (HELP LOCUS for info). Remote system type is UNIX. Default transfer mode is BINARY (/home/amarsh04/kermit-src/) C-Kermit>cd kermit/test/tar Directory successfully changed. (/home/amarsh04/kermit-src/) C-Kermit>get x26.tar.gz (/home/amarsh04/kermit-src/) C-Kermit>q Goodbye. amarsh04@remote:~/kermit-src$ gzip -dc x26.tar.gz|tar -xvf /dev/fd/0 then edited the makefile to change prefix to /usr and manroot to $(prefix)/share then ran: make linux+openssl+zlib+shadow+pam checkinstall make install To move the x.26.tar.gz file to the local machine I ran: amarsh04@remote:~/kermit-src$ kermit -s x26.tar.gz Return to your local Kermit and give a RECEIVE command. KERMIT READY TO SEND... SENT: [/home/amarsh04/kermit-src/x26.tar.gz] To: [/home/amarsh04/kermit-src/x26.tar.gz] (OK) C-Kermit does telnet client including with ssl and other encryption/authentication options, SSH client using an external ssh program, ftp client, and kermit client and server. C-Kermit is worth a look at and an investment in some time learning how to use it. Arthur. From arthur.marsh@internode.on.net Mon Mar 22 11:42:28 2010 Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!usenet.stanford.edu!news.glorb.com!news2.glorb.com!news.glorb.com!news.astraweb.com!border1.newsrouter.astraweb.com!not-for-mail Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 23:33:07 +1030 From: Arthur Marsh User-Agent: Mozilla-Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (X11/20091109) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: can't ftp from AMD64 machine, works fine on i386 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: Lines: 30 Organization: Unlimited download news at news.astraweb.com NNTP-Posting-Host: c877f121.news.astraweb.com X-Trace: DXC=6MWG>iUEQKF6;?e@]GfeBGL?0kYOcDh@JEmaV_2lbCMD2nRQUX`KPkJ[1L?Zftp ftp.columbia.edu ftp: connect: Network is unreachable ?Can't FTP connect to ftp.columbia.edu:ftp but from i386 I get: $ kermit C-Kermit 9.0.299 Alpha.03, 19 Mar 2010, for Linux+SSL Copyright (C) 1985, 2010, Trustees of Columbia University in the City of New York. Type ? or HELP for help. (/usr/src/sound/) C-Kermit>ftp ftp.columbia.edu Connected to ftp.columbia.edu. Name (ftp.columbia.edu:amarsh04): anonymous Password: Login successful. Switching LOCUS for file-management commands to REMOTE (HELP LOCUS for info). Remote system type is UNIX. Default transfer mode is BINARY (/usr/src/sound/) C-Kermit> How should I start to debug this? Arthur. From fdc@panix.com Mon Mar 22 12:28:49 2010 Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!not-for-mail From: Frank da Cruz Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: can't ftp from AMD64 machine, works fine on i386 Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 16:14:26 +0000 (UTC) Organization: PANIX Public Access Internet and UNIX, NYC Lines: 32 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: fdc@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: panix3.panix.com X-Trace: reader1.panix.com 1269274466 1338 166.84.1.3 (22 Mar 2010 16:14:26 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@panix.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 16:14:26 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0 (NetBSD) Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15935 On 2010-03-22, Arthur Marsh wrote: : Hi, on C-Kermit 9.0.299 Alpha.03, 19 Mar 2010, for Linux+SSL (64-bit) : built on Debian on AMD64 using "make linux+openssl+zlib+shadow+pam" : : I get: : : C-Kermit>ftp ftp.columbia.edu : ftp: connect: Network is unreachable : ?Can't FTP connect to ftp.columbia.edu:ftp : : but from i386 [it works] : Thanks for noticing, I verified this locally. Kermit FTP from RHEL5 on i386 works OK, but on 64-bit hardware (ia64 in this case) it doesn't work. That's what Alpha tests are for! : How should I start to debug this? : If you're up for taking a look at the ftp_hookup() function in ckcftp.c, the offending statement is: connect(s, (struct sockaddr *)&hisctladdr, sizeof (hisctladdr)) around line 14715. Clearly something is amiss with the definition or setup of the structs in this case. In fact, now that you mention it, I see that the same thing happens on Mac OS X 10.6.2, also 64-bit. I'll try to get to it pretty soon, but I have a huge backlog so "soon" might be a few weeks; if anybody wants to pitch in before that, be my guest! - Frank From fdc@panix.com Mon Mar 22 12:30:35 2010 Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!not-for-mail From: Frank da Cruz Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Transferring files over SSH in the console Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 16:27:51 +0000 (UTC) Organization: PANIX Public Access Internet and UNIX, NYC Lines: 41 Message-ID: References: <880dece01003211552le9d6018odb9bd683c3c897a9@mail.gmail.com> <201003212314.32985.reidac@bellatlantic.net> <201003212325.49742.reidac@bellatlantic.net> <880dece01003220152p3c8d50e1le80fe6bab5522601@mail.gmail.com> <4BA76359.6090405@internode.on.net> Reply-To: fdc@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: panix3.panix.com X-Trace: reader1.panix.com 1269275271 2521 166.84.1.3 (22 Mar 2010 16:27:51 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@panix.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 16:27:51 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0 (NetBSD) Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15936 On 2010-03-22, Arthur Marsh wrote: : Dotan Cohen wrote, on 2010-03-22 19:22: : (a lot of stuff about transferring files over SSH in the console) To put it simply, nothing could be easier than Kermit. I have an SSH connection (from Windows, using Kermit 95, or from Unix using Kermit) to a Unix shell session. Some of us still prefer to work this way; we get more done :-) The Unix host has C-Kermit stored as "kermit" in a directory that's in the path. In my ~/.bashrc I have: alias s="kermit -Ys" alias g="kermit -Yg" Any time I want to send a file from the host to my desktop I just say "s xxx", where xxx is the name of the I want to send; it can also contain wildcards to send multiple files a once. Any time I want to retrieve a file from my desktop and put it on the Unix host, I say "g xxx" -- same deal, except this time you have to be slightly careful about wildcards because they are not (normally) to interpreted on the Unix host, but rather on the desktop system. What happens next, in both cases, is that the file or files is/are transferred, poof. That's the whole thing, no more commands, no escaping back and reconnecting, no complicated config files, no repitious and redundant authentication. The files go over the connection you already have. It doesn't matter if the files are text or binary, even if the two systems differ as to file formats (e.g. Windows / Linux / VMS); Kermit chooses the correct transfer mode for each file automatically. Of course there are options if you want to get fancy, e.g.: . Only transfer files that are newer than the counterparts on the other end. . Convert character sets of text files appropriately (e.g. 8859-1 / UTF-8). . Recover a partial transfer from the point of failure (binary mode only). - Frank From mark@msapiro.net Wed Mar 24 14:19:34 2010 Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed-00.mathworks.com!newsfeed2.dallas1.level3.net!news.level3.com!postnews.google.com!k36g2000prb.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: Mark Sapiro Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: can't ftp from AMD64 machine, works fine on i386 Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 13:05:51 -0700 (PDT) Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 21 Message-ID: <8be587e3-9b79-4623-a20c-65d45bc34ce9@k36g2000prb.googlegroups.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.183.193.239 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: posting.google.com 1269374752 32121 127.0.0.1 (23 Mar 2010 20:05:52 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 20:05:52 +0000 (UTC) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: k36g2000prb.googlegroups.com; posting-host=68.183.193.239; posting-account=BAH0qQgAAABcTsGtrBPRBzfORCj2-xhy User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.2) Gecko/20100115 Firefox/3.6,gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15937 On Mar 22, 9:14=A0am, Frank da Cruz wrote: > I see that the same thing happens on Mac OS X 10.6.2, also 64-bit. It works for me. I just built C-Kermit 9.0.299 Alpha.03, 19 Mar 2010, for Mac OS X 10.6.2 with 'make macosx'. This is OS X 10.6.2 on an early Intel iMac (Processor 2 GHz Intel Core Duo according to 'About This Mac') $ uname -a Darwin Macintosh-2.local 10.2.0 Darwin Kernel Version 10.2.0: Tue Nov 3 10:37:10 PST 2009; root:xnu-1486.2.11~1/RELEASE_I386 i386 And ftp seems to work fine. I know this is OT for this group, but I had understood that all Intel iMacs had 64-bit hardware, but that 64- bit mode was not supported before 10.6 (Snow Leopard). Thus, an intel iMac with OS X 10.6.2 should be a 64-bit machine, but the fact that ftp is working and uname reports i386 architecture indicates it is not, so am I confused or what? From fdc@panix.com Wed Mar 24 14:29:37 2010 Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!not-for-mail From: Frank da Cruz Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: can't ftp from AMD64 machine, works fine on i386 Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 18:27:34 +0000 (UTC) Organization: PANIX Public Access Internet and UNIX, NYC Lines: 35 Message-ID: References: <8be587e3-9b79-4623-a20c-65d45bc34ce9@k36g2000prb.googlegroups.com> Reply-To: fdc@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: panix1.panix.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: reader1.panix.com 1269455254 11341 166.84.1.1 (24 Mar 2010 18:27:34 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@panix.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 18:27:34 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0 (NetBSD) Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15938 On 2010-03-23, Mark Sapiro wrote: : On Mar 22, 9:14 am, Frank da Cruz wrote: :> I see that the same thing happens on Mac OS X 10.6.2, also 64-bit. : : It works for me. I just built : : C-Kermit 9.0.299 Alpha.03, 19 Mar 2010, for Mac OS X 10.6.2 : : with 'make macosx'. This is OS X 10.6.2 on an early Intel iMac : (Processor 2 GHz Intel Core Duo according to 'About This Mac') : : $ uname -a : Darwin Macintosh-2.local 10.2.0 Darwin Kernel Version 10.2.0: Tue Nov : 3 10:37:10 PST 2009; root:xnu-1486.2.11~1/RELEASE_I386 i386 : : And ftp seems to work fine. I know this is OT for this group, but I : had understood that all Intel iMacs had 64-bit hardware, but that 64- : bit mode was not supported before 10.6 (Snow Leopard). Thus, an intel : iMac with OS X 10.6.2 should be a 64-bit machine, but the fact that : ftp is working and uname reports i386 architecture indicates it is : not, so am I confused or what? : I am too; I gave up trying to keep up with Intel incarnations a while ago when they were described only in marketing, rather than technical, terms. For machine type, uname and uname() rely on the OS maker making the appropriate determination. Kermit decides whether it's 64-bit by doing some sizeof()'s (e.g., of off_t and/or long). I haven't had time to look into the problem yet, but I do notice that on a 64-bit machine that fails to make an FTP connection (for me and Arthur, at least), I can still make a Telnet connection, so when I get a chance I'll see what's different about the Telnet and FTP code that sets up the connect() call. - Frank From fdc@panix.com Mon Mar 29 16:30:52 2010 Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!not-for-mail From: Frank da Cruz Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Announce: C-Kermit 9.0 Alpha.04 Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2010 20:30:37 +0000 (UTC) Organization: PANIX Public Access Internet and UNIX, NYC Lines: 6 Message-ID: Reply-To: fdc@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: panix1.panix.com X-Trace: reader1.panix.com 1269894637 9248 166.84.1.1 (29 Mar 2010 20:30:37 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@panix.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2010 20:30:37 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0 (NetBSD) Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15939 This one just has a quick fix for the 64-bit Unix FTP problem: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck90.html http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckdaily.html - Frank From fdc@panix.com Tue Apr 6 12:22:13 2010 Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!not-for-mail From: Frank da Cruz Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Announce: C-Kermit 9.0 Alpha.05 Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2010 20:54:11 +0000 (UTC) Organization: PANIX Public Access Internet and UNIX, NYC Lines: 5 Message-ID: Reply-To: fdc@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: panix1.panix.com X-Trace: reader1.panix.com 1270500851 6246 166.84.1.1 (5 Apr 2010 20:54:11 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@panix.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2010 20:54:11 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0 (NetBSD) Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15940 A few minor fixes, plus some new functionality described here: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/weblog.html - Frank From ramon@conexus.net Thu Aug 5 16:47:57 2010 Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed-00.mathworks.com!newsfeed2.dallas1.level3.net!news.level3.com!postnews.google.com!r27g2000yqb.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: Ramon F Herrera Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Is Kermit 95 an EOL product? Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2010 12:33:13 -0700 (PDT) Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 14 Message-ID: <38920b79-af5b-498e-9d04-126fc35ec8af@r27g2000yqb.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.162.85.70 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Trace: posting.google.com 1278790393 19419 127.0.0.1 (10 Jul 2010 19:33:13 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2010 19:33:13 +0000 (UTC) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: r27g2000yqb.googlegroups.com; posting-host=66.162.85.70; posting-account=X64iTAkAAADcZFDPVkvH-m-qXOfEepKk User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.6) Gecko/20100625 Firefox/3.6.6,gzip(gfe) Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15942 I really like K-95, but only care about its terminal emulation which is flawless. I just installed the latest Linux (as a server), it comes with an updated SSH daemon but it seems that Kermit 95 cannot handle it. There is some problem with compression, at least. Meanwhile PuTTY (whose interface sucks) has never had any problem with the SSH aspect. TIA, -Ramon From ramon@conexus.net Thu Aug 5 16:48:13 2010 Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!4.24.21.218.MISMATCH!newsfeed2.dallas1.level3.net!news.level3.com!postnews.google.com!g19g2000yqc.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: Ramon F Herrera Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Is Kermit 95 an EOL product? Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2010 12:47:21 -0700 (PDT) Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 35 Message-ID: <4b45a332-bbac-4da5-a357-1eb0c7890b06@g19g2000yqc.googlegroups.com> References: <38920b79-af5b-498e-9d04-126fc35ec8af@r27g2000yqb.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.162.85.70 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: posting.google.com 1278791241 26706 127.0.0.1 (10 Jul 2010 19:47:21 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2010 19:47:21 +0000 (UTC) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: g19g2000yqc.googlegroups.com; posting-host=66.162.85.70; posting-account=X64iTAkAAADcZFDPVkvH-m-qXOfEepKk User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.6) Gecko/20100625 Firefox/3.6.6,gzip(gfe) Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15943 On Jul 10, 2:33=A0pm, Ramon F Herrera wrote: > I really like K-95, but only care about its terminal emulation which > is flawless. > > I just installed the latest Linux (as a server), it comes with an > updated SSH daemon but it seems that Kermit 95 cannot handle it. There > is some problem with compression, at least. > > Meanwhile PuTTY (whose interface sucks) has never had any problem with > the SSH aspect. > > TIA, > > -Ramon These are the error messages when I try to open a session from my Windows XP client to my Linux server: "no matching comp found: client zlib server none,zlib@openssh.com login failed" I looked around K95's configuration and fixed the above problem by disabling data compression. After that, I am facing this obstacle: "Password authentication is disabled to avoid trojan horses" Meanwhile PuTTY connects without a problem. :-( TIA, -Ramon From ramon@conexus.net Thu Aug 5 16:48:28 2010 Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!4.24.21.218.MISMATCH!newsfeed2.dallas1.level3.net!news.level3.com!postnews.google.com!u26g2000yqu.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: Ramon F Herrera Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Is Kermit 95 an EOL product? Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2010 13:21:43 -0700 (PDT) Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 44 Message-ID: References: <38920b79-af5b-498e-9d04-126fc35ec8af@r27g2000yqb.googlegroups.com> <4b45a332-bbac-4da5-a357-1eb0c7890b06@g19g2000yqc.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.162.85.70 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: posting.google.com 1278793304 13463 127.0.0.1 (10 Jul 2010 20:21:44 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2010 20:21:44 +0000 (UTC) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: u26g2000yqu.googlegroups.com; posting-host=66.162.85.70; posting-account=X64iTAkAAADcZFDPVkvH-m-qXOfEepKk User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.6) Gecko/20100625 Firefox/3.6.6,gzip(gfe) Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15944 On Jul 10, 2:47=A0pm, Ramon F Herrera wrote: > On Jul 10, 2:33=A0pm, Ramon F Herrera wrote: > > > I really like K-95, but only care about its terminal emulation which > > is flawless. > > > I just installed the latest Linux (as a server), it comes with an > > updated SSH daemon but it seems that Kermit 95 cannot handle it. There > > is some problem with compression, at least. > > > Meanwhile PuTTY (whose interface sucks) has never had any problem with > > the SSH aspect. > > > TIA, > > > -Ramon > > These are the error messages when I try to open a session from my > Windows XP client to my Linux server: > > "no matching comp found: client zlib server none,z...@openssh.com > login failed" > > I looked around K95's configuration and fixed the above problem by > disabling data compression. > > After that, I am facing this obstacle: > > "Password authentication is disabled to avoid trojan horses" > > Meanwhile PuTTY connects without a problem. =A0:-( > > TIA, > > -Ramon I fixed my problem, by emptying the 'known_hosts' file. I am a happy camper again. Long live Kermit! :-) -RFH From fdc@panix.com Thu Aug 5 16:58:05 2010 Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!not-for-mail From: Frank da Cruz Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Is Kermit 95 an EOL product? Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2010 20:56:17 +0000 (UTC) Organization: PANIX Public Access Internet and UNIX, NYC Lines: 21 Message-ID: References: <38920b79-af5b-498e-9d04-126fc35ec8af@r27g2000yqb.googlegroups.com> Reply-To: fdc@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: panix3.panix.com X-Trace: reader1.panix.com 1281041777 21009 166.84.1.3 (5 Aug 2010 20:56:17 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@panix.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2010 20:56:17 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0 (NetBSD) Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15945 On 2010-07-10, Ramon F Herrera wrote: : : I really like K-95, but only care about its terminal emulation which : is flawless. : : I just installed the latest Linux (as a server), it comes with an : updated SSH daemon but it seems that Kermit 95 cannot handle it. There : is some problem with compression, at least. : : Meanwhile PuTTY (whose interface sucks) has never had any problem with : the SSH aspect. : Sorry for the delay in replying, and I realize you're already a happy camper again but for the record, SSH changed after the last release of K95. You have to disable SSH compression. You can put SET SSH COMPRESSION OFF in your K95CUSTOM.INI file. This and many other tricks and workarounds for adapting K95 to the ever-changing landscape can be found in the K95 FAQ: http://kermit.columbia.edu/k95faq.html - Frank From fdc@panix.com Thu Aug 5 16:58:09 2010 Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!not-for-mail From: Frank da Cruz Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: C-Kermit 9.0 Alpha.07 Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2010 20:57:46 +0000 (UTC) Organization: PANIX Public Access Internet and UNIX, NYC Lines: 5 Message-ID: Reply-To: fdc@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: panix3.panix.com X-Trace: reader1.panix.com 1281041866 21009 166.84.1.3 (5 Aug 2010 20:57:46 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@panix.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2010 20:57:46 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0 (NetBSD) Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15946 C-Kermit 9.0 Alpha.07 is available now for testing at: http://kermit.columbia.edu/ck90.html - Frank From fdc@panix.com Fri Jun 17 12:00:24 2011 Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!not-for-mail From: Frank da Cruz Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Announcing C-Kermit 9.0 Beta.01 Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2011 15:43:45 +0000 (UTC) Organization: PANIX Public Access Internet and UNIX, NYC Lines: 19 Message-ID: Reply-To: fdc@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: panix3.panix.com X-Trace: reader1.panix.com 1308325425 16676 166.84.1.3 (17 Jun 2011 15:43:45 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@panix.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2011 15:43:45 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0 (NetBSD) Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15953 This is the first version of C-Kermit published under an Open Source license: the Simplified 3-Clause BSD license (the previous test version, Alpha.09, had the old "non-free" license). Beta.01 has some new features, including a strenghened version of the Kermit file transfer protocol and a new (but backwards-compatible) simplified way of using variables in scripts. It's been built and somewhat tested on more than 50 different platforms. You can read about it and download it here: http://kermit.columbia.edu/ck90.html Send success/failure reports and/or patches to: kermit@columbia.edu. Thanks. - Frank From fdc@panix.com Fri Jun 17 12:00:33 2011 Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!not-for-mail From: Frank da Cruz Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Announcing Open Source E-Kermit Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2011 15:59:53 +0000 (UTC) Organization: PANIX Public Access Internet and UNIX, NYC Lines: 37 Message-ID: Reply-To: fdc@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: panix3.panix.com X-Trace: reader1.panix.com 1308326393 12594 166.84.1.3 (17 Jun 2011 15:59:53 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@panix.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2011 15:59:53 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0 (NetBSD) Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15954 Embedded Kermit was released as Open Source on March 30, 2011, as version 1.6: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ek.html Version 1.7 is being released today together with C-Kermit 9.0 Beta.01, the first two Kermit programs to embody a strengthened form of the Kermit protocol called "Force-3", which is explained here: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck90.html#force3 that works only between Kermit programs (such as these two) that support it. The primary application is in the storm-tracking ocean-monitoring floats described here: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/em-apex.html Also in connection with this project, there is an entirely new Embedded Program, also Open Source, called EKSW, found on the page as regular E-Kermit: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ek.html which implements true sliding windows transport with selective repeat (but as yet, not Force-3). Also available on this page is a new protocol stress testing program called SIMIRID, which was used in the development and test of all the above. Thanks to John Dunlap of the Applied Physics Laboratory of the University of Washington for SIMIRID and EKSW, and for the suggestion for the Force-3 protocol extension. - Frank From fdc@panix.com Tue Jun 28 13:31:13 2011 Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!not-for-mail From: Frank da Cruz Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.os.linix.misc,comp.os.vms Subject: C-Kermit 9.0 Released Followup-To: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2011 17:30:59 +0000 (UTC) Organization: PANIX Public Access Internet and UNIX, NYC Lines: 5 Message-ID: Reply-To: fdc@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: panix1.panix.com X-Trace: reader1.panix.com 1309282259 19977 166.84.1.1 (28 Jun 2011 17:30:59 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@panix.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2011 17:30:59 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0 (NetBSD) Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15955 comp.os.vms:534026 C-Kermit 9.0 is released, open source, ready to go: http://kermit.columbia.edu/ckermit.html - Frank From sms.antinode@gmail.com Sun Jul 3 12:39:01 2011 Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed-00.mathworks.com!newsfeed2.dallas1.level3.net!news.level3.com!postnews.google.com!x10g2000vbl.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: Steven Schweda Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-Kermit 9.0 Released Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2011 13:38:49 -0700 (PDT) Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 22 Message-ID: <96247883-ef58-40dd-81a1-dcf123226fbb@x10g2000vbl.googlegroups.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.98.249.184 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Trace: posting.google.com 1309466330 25145 127.0.0.1 (30 Jun 2011 20:38:50 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2011 20:38:50 +0000 (UTC) Cc: "Steven M. Schweda" Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: x10g2000vbl.googlegroups.com; posting-host=209.98.249.184; posting-account=OjKUgAkAAAAXAqdVEKd-Gc8RltEUx3Xq User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-Google-Web-Client: true X-Google-Header-Order: HUALESNKRC X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; OpenVMS COMPAQ_Professional_Workstation; en-US; rv:1.8.1.17) Gecko/20081029 SeaMonkey/1.1.12,gzip(gfe) Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15956 On Jun 28, 12:30 pm, Frank da Cruz wrote: > http://kermit.columbia.edu/ckermit.html To avoid the %CC-W-PTRMISMATCH1 complaints from ck_ssl.c, add two (harmless) type casts: gdiff ck_ssl.c_orig ck_ssl.c 2460c2460 < if (strlen(gen->d.ia5->data) != gen->d.ia5->length) { --- > if (strlen((char *)gen->d.ia5->data) != gen->d.ia5->length) { 2773c2773 < if (strlen(gen->d.ia5->data) != gen->d.ia5->length) { --- > if (strlen((char *)gen->d.ia5->data) != gen->d.ia5->length) { My build command: @ CKVKER.COM S D "CK_SSL" From fdc@panix.com Mon Jul 11 15:25:24 2011 Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!not-for-mail From: Frank da Cruz Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: C-Kermit 9.0.301 Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2011 19:25:09 +0000 (UTC) Organization: PANIX Public Access Internet and UNIX, NYC Lines: 8 Message-ID: Reply-To: fdc@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: panix1.panix.com X-Trace: reader1.panix.com 1310412309 12140 166.84.1.1 (11 Jul 2011 19:25:09 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@panix.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2011 19:25:09 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0 (NetBSD) Xref: panix comp.protocols.kermit.misc:15958 After C-Kermit 9.0.300 was released, a problem surfaced in the Solaris 10 and 11 builds, namely that DNS lookups didn't work, even though they did work in Solaris 9 and earlier. This is fixed in C-Kermit 9.0.301: http://kermit.columbia.edu/ckermit.html - Frank